He’s won 2 leagues and 3 champions league in 5 seasons I think.
Barcelona are as poor as they’ve been in a long time but he’s a winner.
Zidane could walk away for another 2 years as everyone else rebuilt, and still do it all over again.
It's even better now without all the glory being ascribed to CR7.
Tbh Zidane could repeat what Pep did in his first season with Barca by winning all 6 trophies available and I still think he wouldn’t be rated high as Pep was in that period.
He’s clearly good, however there is a feeling that he’s not at the level of the best around. He’s definitely underrated if you look at his achievements in such short space of time.
As with all coaches who win things with big clubs, people want to see how they cope with a smaller club or different league.
Zidane is undoubtedly a great man manager and with great players he has, you don’t need to coach them.
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posted 1 minute ago
He’s won 2 leagues and 3 champions league in 5 seasons I think.
Barcelona are as poor as they’ve been in a long time but he’s a winner.
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Someone on ESPN put it at 1 title every 19 games.
It is easy to succeed at Real, but it is even easier to fail.
He will always have question marks against his name, despite his achievements similar to Pep due to where he has managed.
However, the way I see it is simple, a Manager deserves all the credit from their success, because they sure damn well, receive all the negative when the season isn't or doesn't go the way they planned.
Similar things could be said about Liverpool's title win. Absolute zero competition, Man City and Tottenham in a mess, Man United, Arsenal and Chelsea all rebuilding.
Sometimes time and all the factors are on your side, but that shouldn't take away their fantastic achievement.
Zidane's done well, we'll always ask if he could do it somewhere else.
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posted 5 minutes ago
It is easy to succeed at Real, but it is even easier to fail.
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Wouldn’t say it’s easy to succeed. They are probably the most unforgiving club in the world. One bad run can get you the sack.
Clearly he is, I’m not sure whether he has the technical level of someone like Pep but it seems he has the qualities to be a winner, much like Ferguson.
Saying that, Barca are in a right mess, don’t see it getting fixed any time soon.
He was blessed with the best team in the world when he won the 3 Champions Leagues. He is a good motivator. When you have players like Bale and Ronaldo you will win things.
Right now Barca are in a complete mess and Zidane's got himself a league title.
His trophy record is outstanding.
But I don't think he's up there with Pep & Klopp. Nowhere near actually. Think he'll get found out over time especially in the Champions League where City will do them.
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comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 minutes ago
It is easy to succeed at Real, but it is even easier to fail.
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Wouldn’t say it’s easy to succeed. They are probably the most unforgiving club in the world. One bad run can get you the sack.
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Yeah but they spend massive amounts and have the best players playing for them.
You don't have to be a great manager to succeed with them but great managers can fail.
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posted 3 minutes ago
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posted 12 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 minutes ago
It is easy to succeed at Real, but it is even easier to fail.
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Wouldn’t say it’s easy to succeed. They are probably the most unforgiving club in the world. One bad run can get you the sack.
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Yeah but they spend massive amounts and have the best players playing for them.
You don't have to be a great manager to succeed with them but great managers can fail.
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Fair point but the majority end up failing.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 25 seconds ago
Clearly he is, I’m not sure whether he has the technical level of someone like Pep but it seems he has the qualities to be a winner, much like Ferguson.
Saying that, Barca are in a right mess, don’t see it getting fixed any time soon.
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Anyone can look clever when everything on the pitch is going well.
I've seen Zidane win ugly and scrape out a win plenty of times this season. I'm a big fan of Pep, but I don't think I've ever seen him do this often.
I have no clue how good he is, however the job he has done at Real is undeniably exceptional
Interestingly enough, Barcelona have done better this season in the league than Madrid did in either of the two previous campaigns won by Barcelona. In fact, the 2nd, 3rd and 4th placed teams have all performed better than the teams in the same positions last season.
Conversely, Madrid's 86-point total over 37 games this season is just one shy of Barcelona's 87 from 38 games last year.
In fairness, though, few people rated Valverde either.
His CV speaks for itself. As a player and as a manager.
Idolised as a player at Real Madrid then as it's manager.
All this debate about luck or Barcelona's decline doesn't mean a thing. Real themselves have struggled to fill.the chasm Ronaldo left. Zidane still had to manage these players successfully. Anyone thinking he lacks as a manager is truely insane. He's been incredible.
Shame about Bale though.
You can't knock what he's achieved in a short space of time; the trophies he's won, the long unbeaten form. He's done things managers such as Benitez, Ancelotti, and to a lesser extent Mourinho, haven't been able to and for that reason there is clearly something special about him.
He has also profited from a fall off in the levels of Barcelona, and having a clutch Ronaldo in CL competition, which is why I don't see him getting another CL anytime soon.
Give him another couple of seasons at Real Madrid to better judge.
I have been pondering this whilst I have a a Ricard and crisps.
And I have come to the conclusion that I don't know.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 24 minutes ago
It is easy to succeed at Real, but it is even easier to fail.
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Agreed. Even winning La Liga can get you the sack! As glamorous as Real is they have the most spoilt, entitled, horrible fans I've ever seen. The number of top players that Club has ruined because the fans are gross is startling.
comment by Gillespie Road. (U18361)
posted 3 minutes ago
Anyone can look clever when everything on the pitch is going well.
I've seen Zidane win ugly and scrape out a win plenty of times this season. I'm a big fan of Pep, but I don't think I've ever seen him do this often.
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I think it's interesting too that the two leagues were won in very different fashion. One involved blasting in 106 goals and conceding 41, while this year's, with just one game to go, has been won with only 68 goals and just 23 conceded (versus 46 last season).
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posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Gillespie Road. (U18361)
posted 3 minutes ago
Anyone can look clever when everything on the pitch is going well.
I've seen Zidane win ugly and scrape out a win plenty of times this season. I'm a big fan of Pep, but I don't think I've ever seen him do this often.
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I think it's interesting too that the two leagues were won in very different fashion. One involved blasting in 106 goals and conceding 41, while this year's, with just one game to go, has been won with only 68 goals and just 23 conceded (versus 46 last season).
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Exactly. Quite a bit of the talk has been about Benzema's renaissance. But this season has been all about Sergio Ramos and Casemiro, IMO.
Zidane is the best manager in the world. At some point are going to have to accept this.
He’s already won more UCLs than Pep despite being a trainer for 7 years less.
Essentially he’s had 4 seasons at Real (3
full seasons & 2 half seasons), and in that short time has won 3 UCLs and 2 Ligas. The UCL 3-peat was completely unprecedented - no team had even won 2 UCLs in a row up to that point.
Now he’s won the league against Messi, without Ronaldo or Bale essentially. Which I didn’t think was possible for them this season.
Zidane has winner’s intangibles in spades and is a good motivator and tactician. He’s also shown more versatility in his management style than Pep, Mourinho & Deschamps - who are the other top managers. Jochim Low was the best for a while but his career has slowed down now.
Give him a season in the conference on a cold Tuesday night in Fleetwood then we'll see
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
I have been pondering this whilst I have a a Ricard and crisps.
And I have come to the conclusion that I don't know.
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i have reached the same conclusion, though via the medium of a bacon sandwich. which just goes to show that sometimes the journey really is more important than the destination.
i'm in the same boat as edinspur, don't watch la liga these days, but a quick check of the table shows that last year madrid finished 19 points off barca, which gives you a 26 point swing this season.
given that it's only madrid's 2 title in 8 seasons, and that no one had retained the CL until madrid won it 3 in a row (so, i guess, technically retaining it twice), it is highly arguable that he is extremely underrated.
For me Zidane is hugely overrated as a manager.
comment by Bumble (U6465)
posted 2 minutes ago
Agreed. Even winning La Liga can get you the sack! As glamorous as Real is they have the most spoilt, entitled, horrible fans I've ever seen. The number of top players that Club has ruined because the fans are gross is startling.
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Awww, thanks!
Seriously though, even though there's an element of truth about the fans' attitude, the statement itself is generally stripped of all cultural context. Whether it's football, opera, bullfighting () or anything else, booing poor performances is part and parcel of pretty much any spectator event across the entire country.
As for ruining players, every top club has had more than its fair share of top-drawer players who haven't made it. Singling Madrid out for that is a bit of a lazy stereotype.
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posted on 18/7/20
He’s won 2 leagues and 3 champions league in 5 seasons I think.
Barcelona are as poor as they’ve been in a long time but he’s a winner.
posted on 18/7/20
Zidane could walk away for another 2 years as everyone else rebuilt, and still do it all over again.
It's even better now without all the glory being ascribed to CR7.
posted on 18/7/20
Tbh Zidane could repeat what Pep did in his first season with Barca by winning all 6 trophies available and I still think he wouldn’t be rated high as Pep was in that period.
He’s clearly good, however there is a feeling that he’s not at the level of the best around. He’s definitely underrated if you look at his achievements in such short space of time.
As with all coaches who win things with big clubs, people want to see how they cope with a smaller club or different league.
Zidane is undoubtedly a great man manager and with great players he has, you don’t need to coach them.
posted on 18/7/20
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 minute ago
He’s won 2 leagues and 3 champions league in 5 seasons I think.
Barcelona are as poor as they’ve been in a long time but he’s a winner.
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Someone on ESPN put it at 1 title every 19 games.
posted on 18/7/20
It is easy to succeed at Real, but it is even easier to fail.
posted on 18/7/20
He will always have question marks against his name, despite his achievements similar to Pep due to where he has managed.
However, the way I see it is simple, a Manager deserves all the credit from their success, because they sure damn well, receive all the negative when the season isn't or doesn't go the way they planned.
Similar things could be said about Liverpool's title win. Absolute zero competition, Man City and Tottenham in a mess, Man United, Arsenal and Chelsea all rebuilding.
Sometimes time and all the factors are on your side, but that shouldn't take away their fantastic achievement.
Zidane's done well, we'll always ask if he could do it somewhere else.
posted on 18/7/20
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 minutes ago
It is easy to succeed at Real, but it is even easier to fail.
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Wouldn’t say it’s easy to succeed. They are probably the most unforgiving club in the world. One bad run can get you the sack.
posted on 18/7/20
Clearly he is, I’m not sure whether he has the technical level of someone like Pep but it seems he has the qualities to be a winner, much like Ferguson.
Saying that, Barca are in a right mess, don’t see it getting fixed any time soon.
posted on 18/7/20
He was blessed with the best team in the world when he won the 3 Champions Leagues. He is a good motivator. When you have players like Bale and Ronaldo you will win things.
Right now Barca are in a complete mess and Zidane's got himself a league title.
His trophy record is outstanding.
But I don't think he's up there with Pep & Klopp. Nowhere near actually. Think he'll get found out over time especially in the Champions League where City will do them.
posted on 18/7/20
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 minutes ago
It is easy to succeed at Real, but it is even easier to fail.
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Wouldn’t say it’s easy to succeed. They are probably the most unforgiving club in the world. One bad run can get you the sack.
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Yeah but they spend massive amounts and have the best players playing for them.
You don't have to be a great manager to succeed with them but great managers can fail.
posted on 18/7/20
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 minutes ago
It is easy to succeed at Real, but it is even easier to fail.
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Wouldn’t say it’s easy to succeed. They are probably the most unforgiving club in the world. One bad run can get you the sack.
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Yeah but they spend massive amounts and have the best players playing for them.
You don't have to be a great manager to succeed with them but great managers can fail.
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Fair point but the majority end up failing.
posted on 18/7/20
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 25 seconds ago
Clearly he is, I’m not sure whether he has the technical level of someone like Pep but it seems he has the qualities to be a winner, much like Ferguson.
Saying that, Barca are in a right mess, don’t see it getting fixed any time soon.
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Anyone can look clever when everything on the pitch is going well.
I've seen Zidane win ugly and scrape out a win plenty of times this season. I'm a big fan of Pep, but I don't think I've ever seen him do this often.
posted on 18/7/20
I have no clue how good he is, however the job he has done at Real is undeniably exceptional
posted on 18/7/20
Interestingly enough, Barcelona have done better this season in the league than Madrid did in either of the two previous campaigns won by Barcelona. In fact, the 2nd, 3rd and 4th placed teams have all performed better than the teams in the same positions last season.
Conversely, Madrid's 86-point total over 37 games this season is just one shy of Barcelona's 87 from 38 games last year.
In fairness, though, few people rated Valverde either.
posted on 18/7/20
His CV speaks for itself. As a player and as a manager.
Idolised as a player at Real Madrid then as it's manager.
All this debate about luck or Barcelona's decline doesn't mean a thing. Real themselves have struggled to fill.the chasm Ronaldo left. Zidane still had to manage these players successfully. Anyone thinking he lacks as a manager is truely insane. He's been incredible.
Shame about Bale though.
posted on 18/7/20
You can't knock what he's achieved in a short space of time; the trophies he's won, the long unbeaten form. He's done things managers such as Benitez, Ancelotti, and to a lesser extent Mourinho, haven't been able to and for that reason there is clearly something special about him.
He has also profited from a fall off in the levels of Barcelona, and having a clutch Ronaldo in CL competition, which is why I don't see him getting another CL anytime soon.
Give him another couple of seasons at Real Madrid to better judge.
posted on 18/7/20
I have been pondering this whilst I have a a Ricard and crisps.
And I have come to the conclusion that I don't know.
posted on 18/7/20
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 24 minutes ago
It is easy to succeed at Real, but it is even easier to fail.
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Agreed. Even winning La Liga can get you the sack! As glamorous as Real is they have the most spoilt, entitled, horrible fans I've ever seen. The number of top players that Club has ruined because the fans are gross is startling.
posted on 18/7/20
comment by Gillespie Road. (U18361)
posted 3 minutes ago
Anyone can look clever when everything on the pitch is going well.
I've seen Zidane win ugly and scrape out a win plenty of times this season. I'm a big fan of Pep, but I don't think I've ever seen him do this often.
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I think it's interesting too that the two leagues were won in very different fashion. One involved blasting in 106 goals and conceding 41, while this year's, with just one game to go, has been won with only 68 goals and just 23 conceded (versus 46 last season).
posted on 18/7/20
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Gillespie Road. (U18361)
posted 3 minutes ago
Anyone can look clever when everything on the pitch is going well.
I've seen Zidane win ugly and scrape out a win plenty of times this season. I'm a big fan of Pep, but I don't think I've ever seen him do this often.
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I think it's interesting too that the two leagues were won in very different fashion. One involved blasting in 106 goals and conceding 41, while this year's, with just one game to go, has been won with only 68 goals and just 23 conceded (versus 46 last season).
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Exactly. Quite a bit of the talk has been about Benzema's renaissance. But this season has been all about Sergio Ramos and Casemiro, IMO.
posted on 18/7/20
Zidane is the best manager in the world. At some point are going to have to accept this.
He’s already won more UCLs than Pep despite being a trainer for 7 years less.
Essentially he’s had 4 seasons at Real (3
full seasons & 2 half seasons), and in that short time has won 3 UCLs and 2 Ligas. The UCL 3-peat was completely unprecedented - no team had even won 2 UCLs in a row up to that point.
Now he’s won the league against Messi, without Ronaldo or Bale essentially. Which I didn’t think was possible for them this season.
Zidane has winner’s intangibles in spades and is a good motivator and tactician. He’s also shown more versatility in his management style than Pep, Mourinho & Deschamps - who are the other top managers. Jochim Low was the best for a while but his career has slowed down now.
posted on 18/7/20
Give him a season in the conference on a cold Tuesday night in Fleetwood then we'll see
posted on 18/7/20
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
I have been pondering this whilst I have a a Ricard and crisps.
And I have come to the conclusion that I don't know.
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i have reached the same conclusion, though via the medium of a bacon sandwich. which just goes to show that sometimes the journey really is more important than the destination.
i'm in the same boat as edinspur, don't watch la liga these days, but a quick check of the table shows that last year madrid finished 19 points off barca, which gives you a 26 point swing this season.
given that it's only madrid's 2 title in 8 seasons, and that no one had retained the CL until madrid won it 3 in a row (so, i guess, technically retaining it twice), it is highly arguable that he is extremely underrated.
posted on 18/7/20
For me Zidane is hugely overrated as a manager.
posted on 18/7/20
comment by Bumble (U6465)
posted 2 minutes ago
Agreed. Even winning La Liga can get you the sack! As glamorous as Real is they have the most spoilt, entitled, horrible fans I've ever seen. The number of top players that Club has ruined because the fans are gross is startling.
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Awww, thanks!
Seriously though, even though there's an element of truth about the fans' attitude, the statement itself is generally stripped of all cultural context. Whether it's football, opera, bullfighting () or anything else, booing poor performances is part and parcel of pretty much any spectator event across the entire country.
As for ruining players, every top club has had more than its fair share of top-drawer players who haven't made it. Singling Madrid out for that is a bit of a lazy stereotype.
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