The importance of a trophy or top 4 is different to different teams at different times.
With the likes of Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal all going through a bit of a rebuild, and United in a similar position (altho probably slightly less reliant on UCL money), achieving top 4 at this stage in their development would have been very important IMO. More so than winning a cup.
I am also of the view that if you can prove yourself to be of sufficient quality to achieve top 4, then naturally you are one of the best teams in the land and have a better chance of winning a cup. This does not negate the fact that you need the right manager, players and structure in place to maintain success, success will always be one-off / short term if the basics are not right
Next season if Spurs do not get top 4 then we can expect Kane to be moving on and may be others. If we are top 4 we have UCL to look forward to, can strengthen better and our top 4 placing may well = in contention for the league. These things keep players happy, motivated and positive. If we came 8th and won the league cup, that would do probably little to convince Kane to stay.
I'd say its the same with Aubameyang. If Arsenal were top 4, then he'd stay 90%. FA Cup improves these chances but now, whether he stays is probably more dependant on what other offers he gets, and he will judge these against how much Arsenal offer and if they strengthen well.
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comment by Blue Aye (U20893)
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Top clubs have high expectations. Do you expect Arteta to survive if he finishes outside top 4 but win the FA cup ?
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Arteta would have survived had Arsenal not won the FA Cup.
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I meant next season.
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I'm sure he will still survive. A trophy every season, which manager doesn't want that? And remember there is also some good dosh in Europa now, around £30m. Even Mourinho would survive at Spurs if he wins the League Cup but finishes outside top 4 next year.
It depends on the season. As a Chelsea fan I'm much happier that we've qualified in the CL places than winning the FA Cup this season as we look to rebuild the side. We need to be in the CL to be in a position to attract top players like Havertz not to mention the huge financial rewards it brings. Winning the FA Cup makes no difference to either of those things sadly.
It's a circumstantial thing for me, never a one's better than the other scenario by default.
As a Chelsea fan I wasn't fussed whether we got top 4 or not this season ironically contrasting Superb's reasons lol. We'd already got Ziyech & Werner without it + we're the only club in for Havertz (by reports) & would've been fortunate enough to be in a dominant financial position because of prior sales/covid pandemic without it regardless. Doesn't hurt obviously, more money & keeping the brand strong never a bad thing, but I didn't see it as necessary. Reverse the fortunes with us getting an FA Cup instead of it? Wouldn't have been bothered at all.
By contrast if I was an Arsenal fan I'd be worried. This season marks their fourth without it & once that slide begins it only gets harder to claw back into the conversation, and every year the need for it increases. Arteta looks very promising & I'd have believed that without the FA Cup, but the pressure's on him to get CL ASAP so in that regard it's a good win (gives two options now with Europa qualification).
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 30 minutes ago
The importance of a trophy or top 4 is different to different teams at different times.
With the likes of Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal all going through a bit of a rebuild, and United in a similar position (altho probably slightly less reliant on UCL money), achieving top 4 at this stage in their development would have been very important IMO. More so than winning a cup.
I am also of the view that if you can prove yourself to be of sufficient quality to achieve top 4, then naturally you are one of the best teams in the land and have a better chance of winning a cup. This does not negate the fact that you need the right manager, players and structure in place to maintain success, success will always be one-off / short term if the basics are not right
Next season if Spurs do not get top 4 then we can expect Kane to be moving on and may be others. If we are top 4 we have UCL to look forward to, can strengthen better and our top 4 placing may well = in contention for the league. These things keep players happy, motivated and positive. If we came 8th and won the league cup, that would do probably little to convince Kane to stay.
I'd say its the same with Aubameyang. If Arsenal were top 4, then he'd stay 90%. FA Cup improves these chances but now, whether he stays is probably more dependant on what other offers he gets, and he will judge these against how much Arsenal offer and if they strengthen well.
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Kane will only move on next season mate, if a club is willing to pay the probable near on two hundred million a world class 27/28 year old striker would command.
Arsenal had a rubbish season that ended well.
Chelsea had a good season that ended badly.
simple.
This fa cup or top 4 stuff is like as iff someone EVER had that choice which is not easy to identify.
I wonder if ANY CLUB has ended up in 5th but had the FA cup? I can't think of on just now.
The reality is the FA cup gives you about 6million pounds if you win it by going through the whole comp, not including the gate money of course.
So you'd only get 2 mil for finishing 4th not 5th from the merit money on the premier league tv deal but then you either go to europa if you lose in the qualifier or to CL which then is worth massively differing amounts.
I wonder if ANY CLUB has ended up in 5th but had the FA cup? I can't think of on just now
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The last time utd won the cup they also finished 5th
The manager was sacked
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour ago
The importance of a trophy or top 4 is different to different teams at different times.
With the likes of Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal all going through a bit of a rebuild, and United in a similar position (altho probably slightly less reliant on UCL money), achieving top 4 at this stage in their development would have been very important IMO. More so than winning a cup.
I am also of the view that if you can prove yourself to be of sufficient quality to achieve top 4, then naturally you are one of the best teams in the land and have a better chance of winning a cup. This does not negate the fact that you need the right manager, players and structure in place to maintain success, success will always be one-off / short term if the basics are not right
Next season if Spurs do not get top 4 then we can expect Kane to be moving on and may be others. If we are top 4 we have UCL to look forward to, can strengthen better and our top 4 placing may well = in contention for the league. These things keep players happy, motivated and positive. If we came 8th and won the league cup, that would do probably little to convince Kane to stay.
I'd say its the same with Aubameyang. If Arsenal were top 4, then he'd stay 90%. FA Cup improves these chances but now, whether he stays is probably more dependant on what other offers he gets, and he will judge these against how much Arsenal offer and if they strengthen well.
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On the contrary, I actually think Kane wants a winner's medal much more than top 4 and if Spurs win the FA Cup he will definitely stay. Spurs have been a top 4 side for the last 4 seasons and last year they made world record profits, but they are now down to 6th and in Europa qualifiers. United finished second in 2018, but dropped to 6th in 2019. So what happened to all the wealth they generated?
comment by Tu Meke - AinsleyForRightBack (U3732)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
So it seems Wenger was right then.
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Should have kept him. He delivered trophies and top four trophies.
In terms of the op, our season isn’t over. We could end up with a Europa League trophy.
It's difficult to say the reality is though I'd like to have both!
A great question for Wolves fans. Personally top four is the bigger step and even achievement to me but many would want a trophy instead.
I just think the cups are so watered down these days they don't really mean so much.
Winning trophies is the best feeling as a fan. I get the argument that finishing top 4 is better for long term progress but the years we went trophyless and getting top 4 every year were the least enjoyable as an Arsenal fan. Getting to the semis and final of Europa was also more enjoyable then getting battered in the last 16 of the CL every year.
Don't think either Arsenal, ManU or Chelsea had good seasons. Arsenal fluked the Cup, winning the "one game in a hundred" against City when it mattered and with considerable help from the Ref in that and the Final. The other two were so far behind the top two, it can hardly seen as a success, and way lower points wise than usually needed to justify CL status These two ( and us ) have to somehow find a way to bridge a 15 to 30 point gap. Or at least get a hell of a lot nearer to claim any sort of success. Nah, only the top two can honestly say "we had a good season"
The feelings I got for ALL of those top 4 finishes didn'y come close to the feelings I get when we win the FA cup! And I have witnessed 11 FA cup wins as a Gooner.Top 4 is 'nice',and it gets you into a competition you may do okay in,but football is about WINNING things.And the FA cup is the oldest and greatest club cup in the world. And we have won 10% of them. I am very happy with that!
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 25 minutes ago
Don't think either Arsenal, ManU or Chelsea had good seasons. Arsenal fluked the Cup, winning the "one game in a hundred" against City when it mattered and with considerable help from the Ref in that and the Final. The other two were so far behind the top two, it can hardly seen as a success, and way lower points wise than usually needed to justify CL status These two ( and us ) have to somehow find a way to bridge a 15 to 30 point gap. Or at least get a hell of a lot nearer to claim any sort of success. Nah, only the top two can honestly say "we had a good season"
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It's been 30 years since Spurs had a season as successful as Arsenal's this year
Fa Cup as its a trophy it's a no brainer.
If you read the biographys of players who played in any era up to the 90's they talk about the FA Cup as if winning it was just as good as the league title if not better.
Unfortunately mega dosh, blanket tv coverage and 4 cl places has sent the importance of the FA Cup into a downward spiral that I doubt it will ever recover from. These days its often seen as a weekend off for the first teamers and the attendances in the early rounds reflect that.
I was at Wembley when we did Real Madrid 3-1 infront of 85k and at the Lane when Bale tore Maicon to bits and whatever leads to those nights is far more important than the Cup these days.
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 36 minutes ago
Don't think either Arsenal, ManU or Chelsea had good seasons. Arsenal fluked the Cup, winning the "one game in a hundred" against City when it mattered and with considerable help from the Ref in that and the Final. The other two were so far behind the top two, it can hardly seen as a success, and way lower points wise than usually needed to justify CL status These two ( and us ) have to somehow find a way to bridge a 15 to 30 point gap. Or at least get a hell of a lot nearer to claim any sort of success. Nah, only the top two can honestly say "we had a good season"
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You being a Spurs fan have NO RIGHT to give your opinion on Trophys mate
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comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 54 seconds ago
I’d generally say a trophy.
I’d never celebrate top 4 like a a trophy but taking all into account this season I wouldn’t swap our 3rd place finish for a trophy this time around.
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Long term the top 4 finish is far more important. You only have to look at what we have done to see that. None of our success is possible without pipping arsenal on that final day a few season ago.
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True, if you remember back in 2003, it was Chelsea that pipped Liverpool to a top 4 finish. That was the year Abramovich bought Chelsea, the rest is history. If they didn’t finish top 4, then who knows where Chelsea would be today.
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
Don't think either Arsenal, ManU or Chelsea had good seasons. Arsenal fluked the Cup, winning the "one game in a hundred" against City when it mattered and with considerable help from the Ref in that and the Final. The other two were so far behind the top two, it can hardly seen as a success, and way lower points wise than usually needed to justify CL status These two ( and us ) have to somehow find a way to bridge a 15 to 30 point gap. Or at least get a hell of a lot nearer to claim any sort of success. Nah, only the top two can honestly say "we had a good season"
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Yeah every trophy Arsenal win is never deserved and always a fluke. Stupid bitter trophy dodging wannker
It could be argued that if Arsenal were in the CL next season they would not be laying off so many staff.
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 2 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
Don't think either Arsenal, ManU or Chelsea had good seasons. Arsenal fluked the Cup, winning the "one game in a hundred" against City when it mattered and with considerable help from the Ref in that and the Final. The other two were so far behind the top two, it can hardly seen as a success, and way lower points wise than usually needed to justify CL status These two ( and us ) have to somehow find a way to bridge a 15 to 30 point gap. Or at least get a hell of a lot nearer to claim any sort of success. Nah, only the top two can honestly say "we had a good season"
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Yeah every trophy Arsenal win is never deserved and always a fluke. Stupid bitter trophy dodging wannker
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YES !
Between 2005-2013 I would have said Top 4.
Since 2014 I would say FA Cup.
But ideally you do both, like Arsenal have many times.
comment by HarlequinHebdo (U16981)
posted 10 hours, 37 minutes ago
Spurs fans would go for the cup ! but no way would they let Arsenal fans know that !
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posted on 5/8/20
The importance of a trophy or top 4 is different to different teams at different times.
With the likes of Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal all going through a bit of a rebuild, and United in a similar position (altho probably slightly less reliant on UCL money), achieving top 4 at this stage in their development would have been very important IMO. More so than winning a cup.
I am also of the view that if you can prove yourself to be of sufficient quality to achieve top 4, then naturally you are one of the best teams in the land and have a better chance of winning a cup. This does not negate the fact that you need the right manager, players and structure in place to maintain success, success will always be one-off / short term if the basics are not right
Next season if Spurs do not get top 4 then we can expect Kane to be moving on and may be others. If we are top 4 we have UCL to look forward to, can strengthen better and our top 4 placing may well = in contention for the league. These things keep players happy, motivated and positive. If we came 8th and won the league cup, that would do probably little to convince Kane to stay.
I'd say its the same with Aubameyang. If Arsenal were top 4, then he'd stay 90%. FA Cup improves these chances but now, whether he stays is probably more dependant on what other offers he gets, and he will judge these against how much Arsenal offer and if they strengthen well.
posted on 5/8/20
comment by Blue Aye (U20893)
posted 58 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Blue Aye (U20893)
posted 1 minute ago
Top clubs have high expectations. Do you expect Arteta to survive if he finishes outside top 4 but win the FA cup ?
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Arteta would have survived had Arsenal not won the FA Cup.
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I meant next season.
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I'm sure he will still survive. A trophy every season, which manager doesn't want that? And remember there is also some good dosh in Europa now, around £30m. Even Mourinho would survive at Spurs if he wins the League Cup but finishes outside top 4 next year.
posted on 5/8/20
It depends on the season. As a Chelsea fan I'm much happier that we've qualified in the CL places than winning the FA Cup this season as we look to rebuild the side. We need to be in the CL to be in a position to attract top players like Havertz not to mention the huge financial rewards it brings. Winning the FA Cup makes no difference to either of those things sadly.
posted on 5/8/20
It's a circumstantial thing for me, never a one's better than the other scenario by default.
As a Chelsea fan I wasn't fussed whether we got top 4 or not this season ironically contrasting Superb's reasons lol. We'd already got Ziyech & Werner without it + we're the only club in for Havertz (by reports) & would've been fortunate enough to be in a dominant financial position because of prior sales/covid pandemic without it regardless. Doesn't hurt obviously, more money & keeping the brand strong never a bad thing, but I didn't see it as necessary. Reverse the fortunes with us getting an FA Cup instead of it? Wouldn't have been bothered at all.
By contrast if I was an Arsenal fan I'd be worried. This season marks their fourth without it & once that slide begins it only gets harder to claw back into the conversation, and every year the need for it increases. Arteta looks very promising & I'd have believed that without the FA Cup, but the pressure's on him to get CL ASAP so in that regard it's a good win (gives two options now with Europa qualification).
posted on 5/8/20
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 30 minutes ago
The importance of a trophy or top 4 is different to different teams at different times.
With the likes of Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal all going through a bit of a rebuild, and United in a similar position (altho probably slightly less reliant on UCL money), achieving top 4 at this stage in their development would have been very important IMO. More so than winning a cup.
I am also of the view that if you can prove yourself to be of sufficient quality to achieve top 4, then naturally you are one of the best teams in the land and have a better chance of winning a cup. This does not negate the fact that you need the right manager, players and structure in place to maintain success, success will always be one-off / short term if the basics are not right
Next season if Spurs do not get top 4 then we can expect Kane to be moving on and may be others. If we are top 4 we have UCL to look forward to, can strengthen better and our top 4 placing may well = in contention for the league. These things keep players happy, motivated and positive. If we came 8th and won the league cup, that would do probably little to convince Kane to stay.
I'd say its the same with Aubameyang. If Arsenal were top 4, then he'd stay 90%. FA Cup improves these chances but now, whether he stays is probably more dependant on what other offers he gets, and he will judge these against how much Arsenal offer and if they strengthen well.
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Kane will only move on next season mate, if a club is willing to pay the probable near on two hundred million a world class 27/28 year old striker would command.
posted on 5/8/20
Arsenal had a rubbish season that ended well.
Chelsea had a good season that ended badly.
simple.
This fa cup or top 4 stuff is like as iff someone EVER had that choice which is not easy to identify.
I wonder if ANY CLUB has ended up in 5th but had the FA cup? I can't think of on just now.
The reality is the FA cup gives you about 6million pounds if you win it by going through the whole comp, not including the gate money of course.
So you'd only get 2 mil for finishing 4th not 5th from the merit money on the premier league tv deal but then you either go to europa if you lose in the qualifier or to CL which then is worth massively differing amounts.
posted on 5/8/20
I wonder if ANY CLUB has ended up in 5th but had the FA cup? I can't think of on just now
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The last time utd won the cup they also finished 5th
The manager was sacked
posted on 5/8/20
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour ago
The importance of a trophy or top 4 is different to different teams at different times.
With the likes of Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal all going through a bit of a rebuild, and United in a similar position (altho probably slightly less reliant on UCL money), achieving top 4 at this stage in their development would have been very important IMO. More so than winning a cup.
I am also of the view that if you can prove yourself to be of sufficient quality to achieve top 4, then naturally you are one of the best teams in the land and have a better chance of winning a cup. This does not negate the fact that you need the right manager, players and structure in place to maintain success, success will always be one-off / short term if the basics are not right
Next season if Spurs do not get top 4 then we can expect Kane to be moving on and may be others. If we are top 4 we have UCL to look forward to, can strengthen better and our top 4 placing may well = in contention for the league. These things keep players happy, motivated and positive. If we came 8th and won the league cup, that would do probably little to convince Kane to stay.
I'd say its the same with Aubameyang. If Arsenal were top 4, then he'd stay 90%. FA Cup improves these chances but now, whether he stays is probably more dependant on what other offers he gets, and he will judge these against how much Arsenal offer and if they strengthen well.
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On the contrary, I actually think Kane wants a winner's medal much more than top 4 and if Spurs win the FA Cup he will definitely stay. Spurs have been a top 4 side for the last 4 seasons and last year they made world record profits, but they are now down to 6th and in Europa qualifiers. United finished second in 2018, but dropped to 6th in 2019. So what happened to all the wealth they generated?
posted on 5/8/20
comment by Tu Meke - AinsleyForRightBack (U3732)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
So it seems Wenger was right then.
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Should have kept him. He delivered trophies and top four trophies.
In terms of the op, our season isn’t over. We could end up with a Europa League trophy.
posted on 5/8/20
It's difficult to say the reality is though I'd like to have both!
posted on 5/8/20
A great question for Wolves fans. Personally top four is the bigger step and even achievement to me but many would want a trophy instead.
I just think the cups are so watered down these days they don't really mean so much.
posted on 5/8/20
Winning trophies is the best feeling as a fan. I get the argument that finishing top 4 is better for long term progress but the years we went trophyless and getting top 4 every year were the least enjoyable as an Arsenal fan. Getting to the semis and final of Europa was also more enjoyable then getting battered in the last 16 of the CL every year.
posted on 5/8/20
Don't think either Arsenal, ManU or Chelsea had good seasons. Arsenal fluked the Cup, winning the "one game in a hundred" against City when it mattered and with considerable help from the Ref in that and the Final. The other two were so far behind the top two, it can hardly seen as a success, and way lower points wise than usually needed to justify CL status These two ( and us ) have to somehow find a way to bridge a 15 to 30 point gap. Or at least get a hell of a lot nearer to claim any sort of success. Nah, only the top two can honestly say "we had a good season"
posted on 5/8/20
The feelings I got for ALL of those top 4 finishes didn'y come close to the feelings I get when we win the FA cup! And I have witnessed 11 FA cup wins as a Gooner.Top 4 is 'nice',and it gets you into a competition you may do okay in,but football is about WINNING things.And the FA cup is the oldest and greatest club cup in the world. And we have won 10% of them. I am very happy with that!
posted on 5/8/20
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 25 minutes ago
Don't think either Arsenal, ManU or Chelsea had good seasons. Arsenal fluked the Cup, winning the "one game in a hundred" against City when it mattered and with considerable help from the Ref in that and the Final. The other two were so far behind the top two, it can hardly seen as a success, and way lower points wise than usually needed to justify CL status These two ( and us ) have to somehow find a way to bridge a 15 to 30 point gap. Or at least get a hell of a lot nearer to claim any sort of success. Nah, only the top two can honestly say "we had a good season"
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It's been 30 years since Spurs had a season as successful as Arsenal's this year
posted on 5/8/20
Fa Cup as its a trophy it's a no brainer.
posted on 5/8/20
If you read the biographys of players who played in any era up to the 90's they talk about the FA Cup as if winning it was just as good as the league title if not better.
Unfortunately mega dosh, blanket tv coverage and 4 cl places has sent the importance of the FA Cup into a downward spiral that I doubt it will ever recover from. These days its often seen as a weekend off for the first teamers and the attendances in the early rounds reflect that.
I was at Wembley when we did Real Madrid 3-1 infront of 85k and at the Lane when Bale tore Maicon to bits and whatever leads to those nights is far more important than the Cup these days.
posted on 5/8/20
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 36 minutes ago
Don't think either Arsenal, ManU or Chelsea had good seasons. Arsenal fluked the Cup, winning the "one game in a hundred" against City when it mattered and with considerable help from the Ref in that and the Final. The other two were so far behind the top two, it can hardly seen as a success, and way lower points wise than usually needed to justify CL status These two ( and us ) have to somehow find a way to bridge a 15 to 30 point gap. Or at least get a hell of a lot nearer to claim any sort of success. Nah, only the top two can honestly say "we had a good season"
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You being a Spurs fan have NO RIGHT to give your opinion on Trophys mate
posted on 5/8/20
comment by Mellor, Lovely Cushioned Header, FOR GERRARD, OOOOOOHHHHHH YAAAAAAA BEEEUUUTTTYYYYY!!!!!!!!! (U1859)
posted 4 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 54 seconds ago
I’d generally say a trophy.
I’d never celebrate top 4 like a a trophy but taking all into account this season I wouldn’t swap our 3rd place finish for a trophy this time around.
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Long term the top 4 finish is far more important. You only have to look at what we have done to see that. None of our success is possible without pipping arsenal on that final day a few season ago.
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True, if you remember back in 2003, it was Chelsea that pipped Liverpool to a top 4 finish. That was the year Abramovich bought Chelsea, the rest is history. If they didn’t finish top 4, then who knows where Chelsea would be today.
posted on 5/8/20
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
Don't think either Arsenal, ManU or Chelsea had good seasons. Arsenal fluked the Cup, winning the "one game in a hundred" against City when it mattered and with considerable help from the Ref in that and the Final. The other two were so far behind the top two, it can hardly seen as a success, and way lower points wise than usually needed to justify CL status These two ( and us ) have to somehow find a way to bridge a 15 to 30 point gap. Or at least get a hell of a lot nearer to claim any sort of success. Nah, only the top two can honestly say "we had a good season"
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Yeah every trophy Arsenal win is never deserved and always a fluke. Stupid bitter trophy dodging wannker
posted on 5/8/20
It could be argued that if Arsenal were in the CL next season they would not be laying off so many staff.
posted on 5/8/20
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 2 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
Don't think either Arsenal, ManU or Chelsea had good seasons. Arsenal fluked the Cup, winning the "one game in a hundred" against City when it mattered and with considerable help from the Ref in that and the Final. The other two were so far behind the top two, it can hardly seen as a success, and way lower points wise than usually needed to justify CL status These two ( and us ) have to somehow find a way to bridge a 15 to 30 point gap. Or at least get a hell of a lot nearer to claim any sort of success. Nah, only the top two can honestly say "we had a good season"
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Yeah every trophy Arsenal win is never deserved and always a fluke. Stupid bitter trophy dodging wannker
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YES !
posted on 5/8/20
Between 2005-2013 I would have said Top 4.
Since 2014 I would say FA Cup.
posted on 5/8/20
But ideally you do both, like Arsenal have many times.
posted on 5/8/20
comment by HarlequinHebdo (U16981)
posted 10 hours, 37 minutes ago
Spurs fans would go for the cup ! but no way would they let Arsenal fans know that !
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