comment by 🇬🇧 elite.... the wolf wan (U16936)
posted 47 seconds ago
Just to note, I don’t need to be told to respect girls and women
Always have, always will
Cvnts who are going to do it, sadly, are going to do it, catchy slogans etc won’t change the mindset of an abuser or potential rapist
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posted 33 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum... (U14864)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 6 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 2 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 13 minutes ago
Women live in a world where if they are walking home from a night out / late shift etc they actively have to think about how to reduce the risk of sexual assault or murder.
I live in a world when walking home my main risks are can I get pizza or pakora on the way?
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Where do you live? Certainly not London
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I know, I was wondering this. Twice this very evening I have crossed the road to avoid people whose body language made me suspicious. I was probably being over-cautious, but since I was randomly and violently attacked about ten years ago I am super-aware of who’s around me when I’m out at night. Within seconds of seeing someone up ahead, I’ve worked out their gender, their build, their speed and gait, whether they are walking towards or away from me, whether they’re on the phone, whether they have noticed me, and what will be around us when our paths cross. Sometimes I cross the road, sometimes I get my keys out ready. Just second nature.
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Ok Jason Bourne
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Bahahahahaha
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Pretty good. I only started thinking about this the other day though, after seeing it written all over social media that I apparently can’t imagine what it’s like to feel unsafe on the street. For what it’s worth, the lads who attacked me said nothing, offered no warning, just went straight into punches. I got away with only a nosebleed but found out from the police a couple of weeks later that they’d minutes earlier mugged someone else and that a large kitchen knife was used.
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum... (U14864)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 6 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 2 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 13 minutes ago
Women live in a world where if they are walking home from a night out / late shift etc they actively have to think about how to reduce the risk of sexual assault or murder.
I live in a world when walking home my main risks are can I get pizza or pakora on the way?
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Where do you live? Certainly not London
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I know, I was wondering this. Twice this very evening I have crossed the road to avoid people whose body language made me suspicious. I was probably being over-cautious, but since I was randomly and violently attacked about ten years ago I am super-aware of who’s around me when I’m out at night. Within seconds of seeing someone up ahead, I’ve worked out their gender, their build, their speed and gait, whether they are walking towards or away from me, whether they’re on the phone, whether they have noticed me, and what will be around us when our paths cross. Sometimes I cross the road, sometimes I get my keys out ready. Just second nature.
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Ok Jason Bourne
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Bahahahahaha
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Pretty good. I only started thinking about this the other day though, after seeing it written all over social media that I apparently can’t imagine what it’s like to feel unsafe on the street. For what it’s worth, the lads who attacked me said nothing, offered no warning, just went straight into punches. I got away with only a nosebleed but found out from the police a couple of weeks later that they’d minutes earlier mugged someone else and that a large kitchen knife was used.
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I think most blokes have gone through that at some point and to varying degrees.
We used to call it growing up and we knew where not to tread. The idea that we now have “no go” areas appals me to be honest and we need as a population to feel safe wherever we go.
As has been said however these predators are out there and won’t change. They need to be caught.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum... (U14864)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 6 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 2 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 13 minutes ago
Women live in a world where if they are walking home from a night out / late shift etc they actively have to think about how to reduce the risk of sexual assault or murder.
I live in a world when walking home my main risks are can I get pizza or pakora on the way?
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Where do you live? Certainly not London
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I know, I was wondering this. Twice this very evening I have crossed the road to avoid people whose body language made me suspicious. I was probably being over-cautious, but since I was randomly and violently attacked about ten years ago I am super-aware of who’s around me when I’m out at night. Within seconds of seeing someone up ahead, I’ve worked out their gender, their build, their speed and gait, whether they are walking towards or away from me, whether they’re on the phone, whether they have noticed me, and what will be around us when our paths cross. Sometimes I cross the road, sometimes I get my keys out ready. Just second nature.
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Ok Jason Bourne
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Bahahahahaha
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Pretty good. I only started thinking about this the other day though, after seeing it written all over social media that I apparently can’t imagine what it’s like to feel unsafe on the street. For what it’s worth, the lads who attacked me said nothing, offered no warning, just went straight into punches. I got away with only a nosebleed but found out from the police a couple of weeks later that they’d minutes earlier mugged someone else and that a large kitchen knife was used.
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I think most blokes have gone through that at some point and to varying degrees.
We used to call it growing up and we knew where not to tread. The idea that we now have “no go” areas appals me to be honest and we need as a population to feel safe wherever we go.
As has been said however these predators are out there and won’t change. They need to be caught.
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This wasn’t even a no-go area; it was ten minutes’ walk from the house in which I’d grown up and a quiet suburban street.
I agree; society is full of scūm and, yes, it’s mainly male scūm. But I object to the simplistic reduction of the problem to “men v women”. I have nothing in common with people like that except that I can grow hair on my face. I am as blameless for their behaviour, and as powerless to stop them, as any woman I know - try as I might.
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Does anyone think you will ever be able to solve this? Or is it fighting human biology?
Looking at it historically young men have been treated different by certain societies because of they way they are programmed. I don't think any laws or amount of teaching can stop it. There will always be those who can't control themselves
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 9 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 16 minutes ago
Also I find the whole “abuse” thing and lumping it all in the same category astounding. People online saying “every woman has at one point been harassed or sexually abused”. There’s a huge difference between flirting with someone and sexual assault.
I’ve been hollered at and had my ass squeezed and followed about by women in bars and clubs before but I wouldn’t blame all women for it.
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Nobody is blaming all men.
Why you getting so defensive if it doesn't apply to you?
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Maybe you haven’t been on the internet or watched tv the whole week? People have been blaming all men.
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No they haven’t. They have merely been pointing out that men are responsible for 99% of all violent crimes and sexual assaults.
It’s really not time for men to be playing the victim, so stop.
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posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum... (U14864)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 6 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 2 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 13 minutes ago
Women live in a world where if they are walking home from a night out / late shift etc they actively have to think about how to reduce the risk of sexual assault or murder.
I live in a world when walking home my main risks are can I get pizza or pakora on the way?
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Where do you live? Certainly not London
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I know, I was wondering this. Twice this very evening I have crossed the road to avoid people whose body language made me suspicious. I was probably being over-cautious, but since I was randomly and violently attacked about ten years ago I am super-aware of who’s around me when I’m out at night. Within seconds of seeing someone up ahead, I’ve worked out their gender, their build, their speed and gait, whether they are walking towards or away from me, whether they’re on the phone, whether they have noticed me, and what will be around us when our paths cross. Sometimes I cross the road, sometimes I get my keys out ready. Just second nature.
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Ok Jason Bourne
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Bahahahahaha
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Pretty good. I only started thinking about this the other day though, after seeing it written all over social media that I apparently can’t imagine what it’s like to feel unsafe on the street. For what it’s worth, the lads who attacked me said nothing, offered no warning, just went straight into punches. I got away with only a nosebleed but found out from the police a couple of weeks later that they’d minutes earlier mugged someone else and that a large kitchen knife was used.
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I think most blokes have gone through that at some point and to varying degrees.
We used to call it growing up and we knew where not to tread. The idea that we now have “no go” areas appals me to be honest and we need as a population to feel safe wherever we go.
As has been said however these predators are out there and won’t change. They need to be caught.
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This wasn’t even a no-go area; it was ten minutes’ walk from the house in which I’d grown up and a quiet suburban street.
I agree; society is full of scūm and, yes, it’s mainly male scūm. But I object to the simplistic reduction of the problem to “men v women”. I have nothing in common with people like that except that I can grow hair on my face. I am as blameless for their behaviour, and as powerless to stop them, as any woman I know - try as I might.
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Meh
I don’t think many people; and certainly none that should be listened to are blaming all men.
comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 3 minutes ago
Does anyone think you will ever be able to solve this? Or is it fighting human biology?
Looking at it historically young men have been treated different by certain societies because of they way they are programmed. I don't think any laws or amount of teaching can stop it. There will always be those who can't control themselves
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Educate your sons.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 3 minutes ago
Does anyone think you will ever be able to solve this? Or is it fighting human biology?
Looking at it historically young men have been treated different by certain societies because of they way they are programmed. I don't think any laws or amount of teaching can stop it. There will always be those who can't control themselves
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Educate your sons.
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Keep your schitey slogan it will achieve nothing. It's a total failure to address the underlying issues.
comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 3 minutes ago
Does anyone think you will ever be able to solve this? Or is it fighting human biology?
Looking at it historically young men have been treated different by certain societies because of they way they are programmed. I don't think any laws or amount of teaching can stop it. There will always be those who can't control themselves
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Educate your sons.
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Keep your schitey slogan it will achieve nothing. It's a total failure to address the underlying issues.
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Which are?
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 3 minutes ago
Does anyone think you will ever be able to solve this? Or is it fighting human biology?
Looking at it historically young men have been treated different by certain societies because of they way they are programmed. I don't think any laws or amount of teaching can stop it. There will always be those who can't control themselves
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Educate your sons.
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Keep your schitey slogan it will achieve nothing. It's a total failure to address the underlying issues.
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Which are?
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Read my first comment FFS.
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comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum... (U14864)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 6 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 2 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 13 minutes ago
Women live in a world where if they are walking home from a night out / late shift etc they actively have to think about how to reduce the risk of sexual assault or murder.
I live in a world when walking home my main risks are can I get pizza or pakora on the way?
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Where do you live? Certainly not London
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I know, I was wondering this. Twice this very evening I have crossed the road to avoid people whose body language made me suspicious. I was probably being over-cautious, but since I was randomly and violently attacked about ten years ago I am super-aware of who’s around me when I’m out at night. Within seconds of seeing someone up ahead, I’ve worked out their gender, their build, their speed and gait, whether they are walking towards or away from me, whether they’re on the phone, whether they have noticed me, and what will be around us when our paths cross. Sometimes I cross the road, sometimes I get my keys out ready. Just second nature.
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Ok Jason Bourne
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Bahahahahaha
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Pretty good. I only started thinking about this the other day though, after seeing it written all over social media that I apparently can’t imagine what it’s like to feel unsafe on the street. For what it’s worth, the lads who attacked me said nothing, offered no warning, just went straight into punches. I got away with only a nosebleed but found out from the police a couple of weeks later that they’d minutes earlier mugged someone else and that a large kitchen knife was used.
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Been victim of random attacks, as I said earlier I have lived in the roughest parts of Glasgow. Been stabbed, bottled numerous times, attacked with a needle and many more. Its not the same.
The stuff you have described though is absolutely what most women go through on a daily basis.
Not meaning to intrude but you may benefit from a bit of treatment for PTSD. What you describe could be that too. A bit of counseling or therapy won't do anyone any harm anyway. Been through it all myself.
comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 3 minutes ago
Does anyone think you will ever be able to solve this? Or is it fighting human biology?
Looking at it historically young men have been treated different by certain societies because of they way they are programmed. I don't think any laws or amount of teaching can stop it. There will always be those who can't control themselves
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Educate your sons.
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Keep your schitey slogan it will achieve nothing. It's a total failure to address the underlying issues.
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Which are?
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Read my first comment FFS.
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Read mine.
Educate your sons.
comment by lexballielegend (U22335)
posted 9 minutes ago
I know a lad who could not be nicer, and as soon as he has one spirit be it vodka, whisky or whatever he wants to fight the World.
Alcohol can be part of it.
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Yeah, I know a few like that.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 9 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 16 minutes ago
Also I find the whole “abuse” thing and lumping it all in the same category astounding. People online saying “every woman has at one point been harassed or sexually abused”. There’s a huge difference between flirting with someone and sexual assault.
I’ve been hollered at and had my ass squeezed and followed about by women in bars and clubs before but I wouldn’t blame all women for it.
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Nobody is blaming all men.
Why you getting so defensive if it doesn't apply to you?
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Maybe you haven’t been on the internet or watched tv the whole week? People have been blaming all men.
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No they haven’t. They have merely been pointing out that men are responsible for 99% of all violent crimes and sexual assaults.
It’s really not time for men to be playing the victim, so stop.
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I’m sorry, but this is not what I’m seeing at all. Of course I understand that, and it’s not going to upset me if a woman crosses the road to avoid me - as I’ve said, I do it myself often enough to men I don’t know. But I’ve seen loads of absurdly simplistic, deeply patronising and logically fallacious arguments about how my failure to challenge laddish behaviour, for instance, is directly contributing to the issue and how “my gender” has a problem with violence. I thought our ideas about gender were much more fluid than this. I thought there was room for all kinds of people within genders, that lots of men could be far more like the “traditional” idea of a woman than they are like other men and that there were, of course, gender identities beyond the “big two”. To read social media recently - and not just the comments, the expert articles as well - you’d think that not only are there absolutely two genders and no more, but that one can know the thoughts, prior experiences and motivations of the other and that, in spite of every other facet of a person’s complex identity, it really does come down to the arrangement of chromosomes after all.
And my objection to that has nothing to do with “ego”. I simply don’t like crass, over-simplistic and irrational arguments, even (perhaps especially) when I am 100 per cent morally supportive of the people making these arguments. Of course I’m not the “victim”, but making utterly senseless arguments and laying responsibilities at anybody and everybody’s door is not going to help improve things one iota.
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum... (U14864)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 6 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 2 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 13 minutes ago
Women live in a world where if they are walking home from a night out / late shift etc they actively have to think about how to reduce the risk of sexual assault or murder.
I live in a world when walking home my main risks are can I get pizza or pakora on the way?
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Where do you live? Certainly not London
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know, I was wondering this. Twice this very evening I have crossed the road to avoid people whose body language made me suspicious. I was probably being over-cautious, but since I was randomly and violently attacked about ten years ago I am super-aware of who’s around me when I’m out at night. Within seconds of seeing someone up ahead, I’ve worked out their gender, their build, their speed and gait, whether they are walking towards or away from me, whether they’re on the phone, whether they have noticed me, and what will be around us when our paths cross. Sometimes I cross the road, sometimes I get my keys out ready. Just second nature.
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Ok Jason Bourne
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Bahahahahaha
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Pretty good. I only started thinking about this the other day though, after seeing it written all over social media that I apparently can’t imagine what it’s like to feel unsafe on the street. For what it’s worth, the lads who attacked me said nothing, offered no warning, just went straight into punches. I got away with only a nosebleed but found out from the police a couple of weeks later that they’d minutes earlier mugged someone else and that a large kitchen knife was used.
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Been victim of random attacks, as I said earlier I have lived in the roughest parts of Glasgow. Been stabbed, bottled numerous times, attacked with a needle and many more. Its not the same.
The stuff you have described though is absolutely what most women go through on a daily basis.
Not meaning to intrude but you may benefit from a bit of treatment for PTSD. What you describe could be that too. A bit of counseling or therapy won't do anyone any harm anyway. Been through it all myself.
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No, it doesn’t bother me at all. I go out for long walks at night to listen to my audiobooks; I just look around and certainly keep an eye on the road ahead. As I said, I’ve only started thinking about the incident again recently after I’d seen it pronounced a good few times that I need not fear such things.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 3 minutes ago
Does anyone think you will ever be able to solve this? Or is it fighting human biology?
Looking at it historically young men have been treated different by certain societies because of they way they are programmed. I don't think any laws or amount of teaching can stop it. There will always be those who can't control themselves
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Educate your sons.
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Keep your schitey slogan it will achieve nothing. It's a total failure to address the underlying issues.
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Which are?
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Read my first comment FFS.
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Read mine.
Educate your sons.
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What a bore.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 9 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 16 minutes ago
Also I find the whole “abuse” thing and lumping it all in the same category astounding. People online saying “every woman has at one point been harassed or sexually abused”. There’s a huge difference between flirting with someone and sexual assault.
I’ve been hollered at and had my ass squeezed and followed about by women in bars and clubs before but I wouldn’t blame all women for it.
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Nobody is blaming all men.
Why you getting so defensive if it doesn't apply to you?
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Maybe you haven’t been on the internet or watched tv the whole week? People have been blaming all men.
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No they haven’t. They have merely been pointing out that men are responsible for 99% of all violent crimes and sexual assaults.
It’s really not time for men to be playing the victim, so stop.
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Yes they have. People have been. That’s a fact. Not playing the victim at all. It’s a fact.
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 9 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 16 minutes ago
Also I find the whole “abuse” thing and lumping it all in the same category astounding. People online saying “every woman has at one point been harassed or sexually abused”. There’s a huge difference between flirting with someone and sexual assault.
I’ve been hollered at and had my ass squeezed and followed about by women in bars and clubs before but I wouldn’t blame all women for it.
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Nobody is blaming all men.
Why you getting so defensive if it doesn't apply to you?
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Maybe you haven’t been on the internet or watched tv the whole week? People have been blaming all men.
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No they haven’t. They have merely been pointing out that men are responsible for 99% of all violent crimes and sexual assaults.
It’s really not time for men to be playing the victim, so stop.
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I’m sorry, but this is not what I’m seeing at all. Of course I understand that, and it’s not going to upset me if a woman crosses the road to avoid me - as I’ve said, I do it myself often enough to men I don’t know. But I’ve seen loads of absurdly simplistic, deeply patronising and logically fallacious arguments about how my failure to challenge laddish behaviour, for instance, is directly contributing to the issue and how “my gender” has a problem with violence. I thought our ideas about gender were much more fluid than this. I thought there was room for all kinds of people within genders, that lots of men could be far more like the “traditional” idea of a woman than they are like other men and that there were, of course, gender identities beyond the “big two”. To read social media recently - and not just the comments, the expert articles as well - you’d think that not only are there absolutely two genders and no more, but that one can know the thoughts, prior experiences and motivations of the other and that, in spite of every other facet of a person’s complex identity, it really does come down to the arrangement of chromosomes after all.
And my objection to that has nothing to do with “ego”. I simply don’t like crass, over-simplistic and irrational arguments, even (perhaps especially) when I am 100 per cent morally supportive of the people making these arguments. Of course I’m not the “victim”, but making utterly senseless arguments and laying responsibilities at anybody and everybody’s door is not going to help improve things one iota.
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I think they’re trying to shift the onus from women being told to modify their behaviour - don’t dress provocatively, don’t go out alone etc, to men modifying theirs - don’t be creepy or rapey.
Men make most of the attacks but I'm guessing men are normally the victims also?
Its basic fight or flight response, but sounds like it may be getting triggered in you more often than needed due to past experience. That can be a form of PTSD. No harm in it if it doesn't intrude in normal situations though.
I have same issue. Still doesn't make me change my everyday life a jot though.
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comment by 🇬🇧 elite.... the wolf wan (U16936)
posted 47 seconds ago
Just to note, I don’t need to be told to respect girls and women
Always have, always will
Cvnts who are going to do it, sadly, are going to do it, catchy slogans etc won’t change the mindset of an abuser or potential rapist
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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum... (U14864)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 6 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 2 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 13 minutes ago
Women live in a world where if they are walking home from a night out / late shift etc they actively have to think about how to reduce the risk of sexual assault or murder.
I live in a world when walking home my main risks are can I get pizza or pakora on the way?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Where do you live? Certainly not London
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know, I was wondering this. Twice this very evening I have crossed the road to avoid people whose body language made me suspicious. I was probably being over-cautious, but since I was randomly and violently attacked about ten years ago I am super-aware of who’s around me when I’m out at night. Within seconds of seeing someone up ahead, I’ve worked out their gender, their build, their speed and gait, whether they are walking towards or away from me, whether they’re on the phone, whether they have noticed me, and what will be around us when our paths cross. Sometimes I cross the road, sometimes I get my keys out ready. Just second nature.
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Ok Jason Bourne
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Bahahahahaha
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Pretty good. I only started thinking about this the other day though, after seeing it written all over social media that I apparently can’t imagine what it’s like to feel unsafe on the street. For what it’s worth, the lads who attacked me said nothing, offered no warning, just went straight into punches. I got away with only a nosebleed but found out from the police a couple of weeks later that they’d minutes earlier mugged someone else and that a large kitchen knife was used.
posted on 16/3/21
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum... (U14864)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 6 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 2 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 13 minutes ago
Women live in a world where if they are walking home from a night out / late shift etc they actively have to think about how to reduce the risk of sexual assault or murder.
I live in a world when walking home my main risks are can I get pizza or pakora on the way?
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Where do you live? Certainly not London
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I know, I was wondering this. Twice this very evening I have crossed the road to avoid people whose body language made me suspicious. I was probably being over-cautious, but since I was randomly and violently attacked about ten years ago I am super-aware of who’s around me when I’m out at night. Within seconds of seeing someone up ahead, I’ve worked out their gender, their build, their speed and gait, whether they are walking towards or away from me, whether they’re on the phone, whether they have noticed me, and what will be around us when our paths cross. Sometimes I cross the road, sometimes I get my keys out ready. Just second nature.
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Ok Jason Bourne
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Bahahahahaha
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Pretty good. I only started thinking about this the other day though, after seeing it written all over social media that I apparently can’t imagine what it’s like to feel unsafe on the street. For what it’s worth, the lads who attacked me said nothing, offered no warning, just went straight into punches. I got away with only a nosebleed but found out from the police a couple of weeks later that they’d minutes earlier mugged someone else and that a large kitchen knife was used.
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I think most blokes have gone through that at some point and to varying degrees.
We used to call it growing up and we knew where not to tread. The idea that we now have “no go” areas appals me to be honest and we need as a population to feel safe wherever we go.
As has been said however these predators are out there and won’t change. They need to be caught.
posted on 16/3/21
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum... (U14864)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 6 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 2 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 13 minutes ago
Women live in a world where if they are walking home from a night out / late shift etc they actively have to think about how to reduce the risk of sexual assault or murder.
I live in a world when walking home my main risks are can I get pizza or pakora on the way?
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Where do you live? Certainly not London
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I know, I was wondering this. Twice this very evening I have crossed the road to avoid people whose body language made me suspicious. I was probably being over-cautious, but since I was randomly and violently attacked about ten years ago I am super-aware of who’s around me when I’m out at night. Within seconds of seeing someone up ahead, I’ve worked out their gender, their build, their speed and gait, whether they are walking towards or away from me, whether they’re on the phone, whether they have noticed me, and what will be around us when our paths cross. Sometimes I cross the road, sometimes I get my keys out ready. Just second nature.
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Ok Jason Bourne
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Bahahahahaha
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Pretty good. I only started thinking about this the other day though, after seeing it written all over social media that I apparently can’t imagine what it’s like to feel unsafe on the street. For what it’s worth, the lads who attacked me said nothing, offered no warning, just went straight into punches. I got away with only a nosebleed but found out from the police a couple of weeks later that they’d minutes earlier mugged someone else and that a large kitchen knife was used.
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I think most blokes have gone through that at some point and to varying degrees.
We used to call it growing up and we knew where not to tread. The idea that we now have “no go” areas appals me to be honest and we need as a population to feel safe wherever we go.
As has been said however these predators are out there and won’t change. They need to be caught.
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This wasn’t even a no-go area; it was ten minutes’ walk from the house in which I’d grown up and a quiet suburban street.
I agree; society is full of scūm and, yes, it’s mainly male scūm. But I object to the simplistic reduction of the problem to “men v women”. I have nothing in common with people like that except that I can grow hair on my face. I am as blameless for their behaviour, and as powerless to stop them, as any woman I know - try as I might.
posted on 16/3/21
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 16/3/21
Does anyone think you will ever be able to solve this? Or is it fighting human biology?
Looking at it historically young men have been treated different by certain societies because of they way they are programmed. I don't think any laws or amount of teaching can stop it. There will always be those who can't control themselves
posted on 16/3/21
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 9 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 16 minutes ago
Also I find the whole “abuse” thing and lumping it all in the same category astounding. People online saying “every woman has at one point been harassed or sexually abused”. There’s a huge difference between flirting with someone and sexual assault.
I’ve been hollered at and had my ass squeezed and followed about by women in bars and clubs before but I wouldn’t blame all women for it.
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Nobody is blaming all men.
Why you getting so defensive if it doesn't apply to you?
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Maybe you haven’t been on the internet or watched tv the whole week? People have been blaming all men.
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No they haven’t. They have merely been pointing out that men are responsible for 99% of all violent crimes and sexual assaults.
It’s really not time for men to be playing the victim, so stop.
posted on 16/3/21
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum... (U14864)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 6 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 2 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 13 minutes ago
Women live in a world where if they are walking home from a night out / late shift etc they actively have to think about how to reduce the risk of sexual assault or murder.
I live in a world when walking home my main risks are can I get pizza or pakora on the way?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Where do you live? Certainly not London
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know, I was wondering this. Twice this very evening I have crossed the road to avoid people whose body language made me suspicious. I was probably being over-cautious, but since I was randomly and violently attacked about ten years ago I am super-aware of who’s around me when I’m out at night. Within seconds of seeing someone up ahead, I’ve worked out their gender, their build, their speed and gait, whether they are walking towards or away from me, whether they’re on the phone, whether they have noticed me, and what will be around us when our paths cross. Sometimes I cross the road, sometimes I get my keys out ready. Just second nature.
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Ok Jason Bourne
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Bahahahahaha
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Pretty good. I only started thinking about this the other day though, after seeing it written all over social media that I apparently can’t imagine what it’s like to feel unsafe on the street. For what it’s worth, the lads who attacked me said nothing, offered no warning, just went straight into punches. I got away with only a nosebleed but found out from the police a couple of weeks later that they’d minutes earlier mugged someone else and that a large kitchen knife was used.
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I think most blokes have gone through that at some point and to varying degrees.
We used to call it growing up and we knew where not to tread. The idea that we now have “no go” areas appals me to be honest and we need as a population to feel safe wherever we go.
As has been said however these predators are out there and won’t change. They need to be caught.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This wasn’t even a no-go area; it was ten minutes’ walk from the house in which I’d grown up and a quiet suburban street.
I agree; society is full of scūm and, yes, it’s mainly male scūm. But I object to the simplistic reduction of the problem to “men v women”. I have nothing in common with people like that except that I can grow hair on my face. I am as blameless for their behaviour, and as powerless to stop them, as any woman I know - try as I might.
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Meh
I don’t think many people; and certainly none that should be listened to are blaming all men.
posted on 16/3/21
comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 3 minutes ago
Does anyone think you will ever be able to solve this? Or is it fighting human biology?
Looking at it historically young men have been treated different by certain societies because of they way they are programmed. I don't think any laws or amount of teaching can stop it. There will always be those who can't control themselves
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Educate your sons.
posted on 16/3/21
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 3 minutes ago
Does anyone think you will ever be able to solve this? Or is it fighting human biology?
Looking at it historically young men have been treated different by certain societies because of they way they are programmed. I don't think any laws or amount of teaching can stop it. There will always be those who can't control themselves
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Educate your sons.
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Keep your schitey slogan it will achieve nothing. It's a total failure to address the underlying issues.
posted on 16/3/21
comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 3 minutes ago
Does anyone think you will ever be able to solve this? Or is it fighting human biology?
Looking at it historically young men have been treated different by certain societies because of they way they are programmed. I don't think any laws or amount of teaching can stop it. There will always be those who can't control themselves
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Educate your sons.
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Keep your schitey slogan it will achieve nothing. It's a total failure to address the underlying issues.
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Which are?
posted on 16/3/21
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 3 minutes ago
Does anyone think you will ever be able to solve this? Or is it fighting human biology?
Looking at it historically young men have been treated different by certain societies because of they way they are programmed. I don't think any laws or amount of teaching can stop it. There will always be those who can't control themselves
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Educate your sons.
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Keep your schitey slogan it will achieve nothing. It's a total failure to address the underlying issues.
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Which are?
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Read my first comment FFS.
posted on 16/3/21
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 16/3/21
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum... (U14864)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 6 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 2 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 13 minutes ago
Women live in a world where if they are walking home from a night out / late shift etc they actively have to think about how to reduce the risk of sexual assault or murder.
I live in a world when walking home my main risks are can I get pizza or pakora on the way?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Where do you live? Certainly not London
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know, I was wondering this. Twice this very evening I have crossed the road to avoid people whose body language made me suspicious. I was probably being over-cautious, but since I was randomly and violently attacked about ten years ago I am super-aware of who’s around me when I’m out at night. Within seconds of seeing someone up ahead, I’ve worked out their gender, their build, their speed and gait, whether they are walking towards or away from me, whether they’re on the phone, whether they have noticed me, and what will be around us when our paths cross. Sometimes I cross the road, sometimes I get my keys out ready. Just second nature.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ok Jason Bourne
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Bahahahahaha
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Pretty good. I only started thinking about this the other day though, after seeing it written all over social media that I apparently can’t imagine what it’s like to feel unsafe on the street. For what it’s worth, the lads who attacked me said nothing, offered no warning, just went straight into punches. I got away with only a nosebleed but found out from the police a couple of weeks later that they’d minutes earlier mugged someone else and that a large kitchen knife was used.
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Been victim of random attacks, as I said earlier I have lived in the roughest parts of Glasgow. Been stabbed, bottled numerous times, attacked with a needle and many more. Its not the same.
The stuff you have described though is absolutely what most women go through on a daily basis.
Not meaning to intrude but you may benefit from a bit of treatment for PTSD. What you describe could be that too. A bit of counseling or therapy won't do anyone any harm anyway. Been through it all myself.
posted on 16/3/21
comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 3 minutes ago
Does anyone think you will ever be able to solve this? Or is it fighting human biology?
Looking at it historically young men have been treated different by certain societies because of they way they are programmed. I don't think any laws or amount of teaching can stop it. There will always be those who can't control themselves
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Educate your sons.
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Keep your schitey slogan it will achieve nothing. It's a total failure to address the underlying issues.
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Which are?
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Read my first comment FFS.
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Read mine.
Educate your sons.
posted on 16/3/21
comment by lexballielegend (U22335)
posted 9 minutes ago
I know a lad who could not be nicer, and as soon as he has one spirit be it vodka, whisky or whatever he wants to fight the World.
Alcohol can be part of it.
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Yeah, I know a few like that.
posted on 16/3/21
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 9 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 16 minutes ago
Also I find the whole “abuse” thing and lumping it all in the same category astounding. People online saying “every woman has at one point been harassed or sexually abused”. There’s a huge difference between flirting with someone and sexual assault.
I’ve been hollered at and had my ass squeezed and followed about by women in bars and clubs before but I wouldn’t blame all women for it.
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Nobody is blaming all men.
Why you getting so defensive if it doesn't apply to you?
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Maybe you haven’t been on the internet or watched tv the whole week? People have been blaming all men.
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No they haven’t. They have merely been pointing out that men are responsible for 99% of all violent crimes and sexual assaults.
It’s really not time for men to be playing the victim, so stop.
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I’m sorry, but this is not what I’m seeing at all. Of course I understand that, and it’s not going to upset me if a woman crosses the road to avoid me - as I’ve said, I do it myself often enough to men I don’t know. But I’ve seen loads of absurdly simplistic, deeply patronising and logically fallacious arguments about how my failure to challenge laddish behaviour, for instance, is directly contributing to the issue and how “my gender” has a problem with violence. I thought our ideas about gender were much more fluid than this. I thought there was room for all kinds of people within genders, that lots of men could be far more like the “traditional” idea of a woman than they are like other men and that there were, of course, gender identities beyond the “big two”. To read social media recently - and not just the comments, the expert articles as well - you’d think that not only are there absolutely two genders and no more, but that one can know the thoughts, prior experiences and motivations of the other and that, in spite of every other facet of a person’s complex identity, it really does come down to the arrangement of chromosomes after all.
And my objection to that has nothing to do with “ego”. I simply don’t like crass, over-simplistic and irrational arguments, even (perhaps especially) when I am 100 per cent morally supportive of the people making these arguments. Of course I’m not the “victim”, but making utterly senseless arguments and laying responsibilities at anybody and everybody’s door is not going to help improve things one iota.
posted on 16/3/21
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum... (U14864)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 6 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 2 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 13 minutes ago
Women live in a world where if they are walking home from a night out / late shift etc they actively have to think about how to reduce the risk of sexual assault or murder.
I live in a world when walking home my main risks are can I get pizza or pakora on the way?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Where do you live? Certainly not London
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know, I was wondering this. Twice this very evening I have crossed the road to avoid people whose body language made me suspicious. I was probably being over-cautious, but since I was randomly and violently attacked about ten years ago I am super-aware of who’s around me when I’m out at night. Within seconds of seeing someone up ahead, I’ve worked out their gender, their build, their speed and gait, whether they are walking towards or away from me, whether they’re on the phone, whether they have noticed me, and what will be around us when our paths cross. Sometimes I cross the road, sometimes I get my keys out ready. Just second nature.
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Ok Jason Bourne
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Bahahahahaha
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Pretty good. I only started thinking about this the other day though, after seeing it written all over social media that I apparently can’t imagine what it’s like to feel unsafe on the street. For what it’s worth, the lads who attacked me said nothing, offered no warning, just went straight into punches. I got away with only a nosebleed but found out from the police a couple of weeks later that they’d minutes earlier mugged someone else and that a large kitchen knife was used.
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Been victim of random attacks, as I said earlier I have lived in the roughest parts of Glasgow. Been stabbed, bottled numerous times, attacked with a needle and many more. Its not the same.
The stuff you have described though is absolutely what most women go through on a daily basis.
Not meaning to intrude but you may benefit from a bit of treatment for PTSD. What you describe could be that too. A bit of counseling or therapy won't do anyone any harm anyway. Been through it all myself.
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No, it doesn’t bother me at all. I go out for long walks at night to listen to my audiobooks; I just look around and certainly keep an eye on the road ahead. As I said, I’ve only started thinking about the incident again recently after I’d seen it pronounced a good few times that I need not fear such things.
posted on 16/3/21
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 3 minutes ago
Does anyone think you will ever be able to solve this? Or is it fighting human biology?
Looking at it historically young men have been treated different by certain societies because of they way they are programmed. I don't think any laws or amount of teaching can stop it. There will always be those who can't control themselves
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Educate your sons.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Keep your schitey slogan it will achieve nothing. It's a total failure to address the underlying issues.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which are?
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Read my first comment FFS.
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Read mine.
Educate your sons.
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What a bore.
posted on 16/3/21
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 9 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 16 minutes ago
Also I find the whole “abuse” thing and lumping it all in the same category astounding. People online saying “every woman has at one point been harassed or sexually abused”. There’s a huge difference between flirting with someone and sexual assault.
I’ve been hollered at and had my ass squeezed and followed about by women in bars and clubs before but I wouldn’t blame all women for it.
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Nobody is blaming all men.
Why you getting so defensive if it doesn't apply to you?
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Maybe you haven’t been on the internet or watched tv the whole week? People have been blaming all men.
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No they haven’t. They have merely been pointing out that men are responsible for 99% of all violent crimes and sexual assaults.
It’s really not time for men to be playing the victim, so stop.
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Yes they have. People have been. That’s a fact. Not playing the victim at all. It’s a fact.
posted on 16/3/21
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 9 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 16 minutes ago
Also I find the whole “abuse” thing and lumping it all in the same category astounding. People online saying “every woman has at one point been harassed or sexually abused”. There’s a huge difference between flirting with someone and sexual assault.
I’ve been hollered at and had my ass squeezed and followed about by women in bars and clubs before but I wouldn’t blame all women for it.
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Nobody is blaming all men.
Why you getting so defensive if it doesn't apply to you?
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Maybe you haven’t been on the internet or watched tv the whole week? People have been blaming all men.
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No they haven’t. They have merely been pointing out that men are responsible for 99% of all violent crimes and sexual assaults.
It’s really not time for men to be playing the victim, so stop.
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I’m sorry, but this is not what I’m seeing at all. Of course I understand that, and it’s not going to upset me if a woman crosses the road to avoid me - as I’ve said, I do it myself often enough to men I don’t know. But I’ve seen loads of absurdly simplistic, deeply patronising and logically fallacious arguments about how my failure to challenge laddish behaviour, for instance, is directly contributing to the issue and how “my gender” has a problem with violence. I thought our ideas about gender were much more fluid than this. I thought there was room for all kinds of people within genders, that lots of men could be far more like the “traditional” idea of a woman than they are like other men and that there were, of course, gender identities beyond the “big two”. To read social media recently - and not just the comments, the expert articles as well - you’d think that not only are there absolutely two genders and no more, but that one can know the thoughts, prior experiences and motivations of the other and that, in spite of every other facet of a person’s complex identity, it really does come down to the arrangement of chromosomes after all.
And my objection to that has nothing to do with “ego”. I simply don’t like crass, over-simplistic and irrational arguments, even (perhaps especially) when I am 100 per cent morally supportive of the people making these arguments. Of course I’m not the “victim”, but making utterly senseless arguments and laying responsibilities at anybody and everybody’s door is not going to help improve things one iota.
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I think they’re trying to shift the onus from women being told to modify their behaviour - don’t dress provocatively, don’t go out alone etc, to men modifying theirs - don’t be creepy or rapey.
posted on 16/3/21
Men make most of the attacks but I'm guessing men are normally the victims also?
posted on 16/3/21
Its basic fight or flight response, but sounds like it may be getting triggered in you more often than needed due to past experience. That can be a form of PTSD. No harm in it if it doesn't intrude in normal situations though.
I have same issue. Still doesn't make me change my everyday life a jot though.
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