comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 39 minutes ago
CR, I do see your point, although I'd also argue that good points well made do sometimes have a deferred impact that are not always evident during the discussion itself - something I think is especially true with younger people.
Along with that, while I also think that some people will never be won over, sometimes it's more about reaching a critical mass that might enable change over a longer period of time.
As someone who's worked in the fields you have, I'm sure you'd agree that even though change can be painfully slow in the making, fighting for it isn't always an entirely lost cause.
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Unfortunately, it's one of the reasons I talk about teaching in the past tense. Unwinnable arguments were one of the many things that just wore me out.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 26 seconds ago
So you came on here...?
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I don't usually argue on here
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 2 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 0 seconds ago
My overall impression is that this kind of discussion just doesn't lend itself well to more or less impersonal online forums where it's all too easy to willfully misinterpret the other in order to push your own agenda.
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That's true, but in my experience it's not that much different "IRL". The person who shouts louder can feel they've "won", and there is no independent refereee to step in and point out how many times they've contradicted themselves, wilfully misinterpreted the other person's point and generally presented a really poor argument. I tend not to debate things with people anymore as it's utterly pointless: they don't argue with what you're saying, they argue with what they think you're saying.
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In fact, it's probably harder IRL because you can't say: "You've misunderstood me - please read my last post again." You just end up repeating yourself and knowing you're shouting down a well.
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I concur.
Sometimes, people twist or "misunderstand" others for their own reasons too.
Not s dig at you, mate.
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 26 seconds ago
So you came on here...?
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I don't usually argue on here
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Yes you do.
Kidding lol
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 7 minutes ago
So you came on here...?
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It's ok, I have this.
What could possibly go wrong.
millions of years of evolution haven't been trumped by a century of feminism
truth is , most women, sexually and physiologically (esp when young , during their fertile years) are attracted to men who dominate them
how does this square with current male-female relations
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/16/women-statues-government-tougher-sentences
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 50 minutes ago
millions of years of evolution haven't been trumped by a century of feminism
truth is , most women, sexually and physiologically (esp when young , during their fertile years) are attracted to men who dominate them
how does this square with current male-female relations
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comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 50 minutes ago
millions of years of evolution haven't been trumped by a century of feminism
truth is , most women, sexually and physiologically (esp when young , during their fertile years) are attracted to men who dominate them
how does this square with current male-female relations
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Bless, f*cking incel.
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 15 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 2 hours ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
When will all music videos be banned for exploiting women?
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The only music videos that should be banned are any featuring ed Sheeran or George Ezra. Pair of talentless, boring, insipid gooons
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I’m no fan of either but Ed Sheeran is not talentless. I’d agree that a lot of his songs are boring and insipid but he’s a very accomplished musician.
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With 150 co-writers
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 13 hours, 24 minutes ago
Attacking a statue 10 years in prison
Rape sentences 5 years in prison.
Think that should tell you all you need to know about how women are regarded in this country.
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Percentage of rapes/sexual assaults reported that end up in a court date - 1.3%
Percentafe of those that end in conviction - 47%.
Free pass to rape essentially
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 15 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 2 hours ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
When will all music videos be banned for exploiting women?
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The only music videos that should be banned are any featuring ed Sheeran or George Ezra. Pair of talentless, boring, insipid gooons
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I’m no fan of either but Ed Sheeran is not talentless. I’d agree that a lot of his songs are boring and insipid but he’s a very accomplished musician.
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With 150 co-writers
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Maybe, but he plays guitar well. And can do it live.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 9 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 9 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 16 minutes ago
Also I find the whole “abuse” thing and lumping it all in the same category astounding. People online saying “every woman has at one point been harassed or sexually abused”. There’s a huge difference between flirting with someone and sexual assault.
I’ve been hollered at and had my ass squeezed and followed about by women in bars and clubs before but I wouldn’t blame all women for it.
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Nobody is blaming all men.
Why you getting so defensive if it doesn't apply to you?
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Maybe you haven’t been on the internet or watched tv the whole week? People have been blaming all men.
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No they haven't.
You thinking that they have says a lot about you tbf
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 9 hours, 12 minutes ago
Everybody should feel safe on our streets, be it men or women, but some ridiculous suggestions have come up recently like a 6pm curfew for men.
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That wasn't a suggestion.
It was a provocative statement aimed at storing debate and highlighted the ridiculousness of statements that women have to hear, "Don't wear this" "stay in public places" "carry an alarm" "don't wear heels" "pretend you're on the phone" etc.
Clearly worked
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
millions of years of evolution haven't been trumped by a century of feminism
truth is , most women, sexually and physiologically (esp when young , during their fertile years) are attracted to men who dominate them
how does this square with current male-female relations
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lol
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 9 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 9 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 16 minutes ago
Also I find the whole “abuse” thing and lumping it all in the same category astounding. People online saying “every woman has at one point been harassed or sexually abused”. There’s a huge difference between flirting with someone and sexual assault.
I’ve been hollered at and had my ass squeezed and followed about by women in bars and clubs before but I wouldn’t blame all women for it.
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Nobody is blaming all men.
Why you getting so defensive if it doesn't apply to you?
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Maybe you haven’t been on the internet or watched tv the whole week? People have been blaming all men.
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No they haven't.
You thinking that they have says a lot about you tbf
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Not blaming per se, but surely any rational person can see that this is a terrible article?
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/women-sexual-assault-men-sarah-everard-b1816753.html
<truth is , most women, sexually and physiologically (esp when young , during their fertile years) are attracted to men who dominate them>
You live in Royston Vasey?
comment by The Mighty Quinn (U4099)
posted 15 seconds ago
<truth is , most women, sexually and physiologically (esp when young , during their fertile years) are attracted to men who dominate them>
You live in Royston Vasey?
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Are you local?
Evening chum.
<had my ass squeezed and followed about by women in bars and clubs before but I wouldn’t blame all women for it.>
Aye.
But you had to pay for it.
Mighty.
You have rubbed off on me, and now I am a left leaning feminist, trapped in right wing mysogynists body.
bbab.
I am local Sir Yes Sir!
Just looked at OP & last couple posts.
comment by The Mighty Quinn (U4099)
posted 41 seconds ago
<had my ass squeezed and followed about by women in bars and clubs before but I wouldn’t blame all women for it.>
Aye.
But you had to pay for it.
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It was a Tory Monday Club.
I had my was grabbed at the bar and turned round to see my boss standing there....lovely big fella.
It was actually a woman and I never thought anything of it.
Am shy, see.
Haha!
Sonn be oot & aboot tho.
Sturgeon will open up Scotland 2 weeks before the Elections here.
As I said last September.
Bad Cop Dec - April.
Good Cop May.
comment by The Mighty Quinn (U4099)
posted 1 minute ago
bbab.
I am local Sir Yes Sir!
Just looked at OP & last couple posts.
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My wife could not watch League of Gentleman, as it disturbed her....almost as much as marrying a sticky bun.
Sign in if you want to comment
Respect girls and women.
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posted on 16/3/21
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 39 minutes ago
CR, I do see your point, although I'd also argue that good points well made do sometimes have a deferred impact that are not always evident during the discussion itself - something I think is especially true with younger people.
Along with that, while I also think that some people will never be won over, sometimes it's more about reaching a critical mass that might enable change over a longer period of time.
As someone who's worked in the fields you have, I'm sure you'd agree that even though change can be painfully slow in the making, fighting for it isn't always an entirely lost cause.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Unfortunately, it's one of the reasons I talk about teaching in the past tense. Unwinnable arguments were one of the many things that just wore me out.
posted on 16/3/21
So you came on here...?
posted on 16/3/21
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 26 seconds ago
So you came on here...?
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I don't usually argue on here
posted on 16/3/21
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 2 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 0 seconds ago
My overall impression is that this kind of discussion just doesn't lend itself well to more or less impersonal online forums where it's all too easy to willfully misinterpret the other in order to push your own agenda.
-----------------
That's true, but in my experience it's not that much different "IRL". The person who shouts louder can feel they've "won", and there is no independent refereee to step in and point out how many times they've contradicted themselves, wilfully misinterpreted the other person's point and generally presented a really poor argument. I tend not to debate things with people anymore as it's utterly pointless: they don't argue with what you're saying, they argue with what they think you're saying.
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In fact, it's probably harder IRL because you can't say: "You've misunderstood me - please read my last post again." You just end up repeating yourself and knowing you're shouting down a well.
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I concur.
Sometimes, people twist or "misunderstand" others for their own reasons too.
Not s dig at you, mate.
posted on 16/3/21
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 26 seconds ago
So you came on here...?
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I don't usually argue on here
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Yes you do.
Kidding lol
posted on 16/3/21
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 7 minutes ago
So you came on here...?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's ok, I have this.
What could possibly go wrong.
posted on 16/3/21
millions of years of evolution haven't been trumped by a century of feminism
truth is , most women, sexually and physiologically (esp when young , during their fertile years) are attracted to men who dominate them
how does this square with current male-female relations
posted on 16/3/21
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/16/women-statues-government-tougher-sentences
posted on 16/3/21
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 50 minutes ago
millions of years of evolution haven't been trumped by a century of feminism
truth is , most women, sexually and physiologically (esp when young , during their fertile years) are attracted to men who dominate them
how does this square with current male-female relations
----------------------------------------------------------------------
posted on 16/3/21
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 50 minutes ago
millions of years of evolution haven't been trumped by a century of feminism
truth is , most women, sexually and physiologically (esp when young , during their fertile years) are attracted to men who dominate them
how does this square with current male-female relations
----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Bless, f*cking incel.
posted on 16/3/21
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 15 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 2 hours ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
When will all music videos be banned for exploiting women?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The only music videos that should be banned are any featuring ed Sheeran or George Ezra. Pair of talentless, boring, insipid gooons
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’m no fan of either but Ed Sheeran is not talentless. I’d agree that a lot of his songs are boring and insipid but he’s a very accomplished musician.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
With 150 co-writers
posted on 16/3/21
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 13 hours, 24 minutes ago
Attacking a statue 10 years in prison
Rape sentences 5 years in prison.
Think that should tell you all you need to know about how women are regarded in this country.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Percentage of rapes/sexual assaults reported that end up in a court date - 1.3%
Percentafe of those that end in conviction - 47%.
Free pass to rape essentially
posted on 16/3/21
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 15 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 2 hours ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
When will all music videos be banned for exploiting women?
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The only music videos that should be banned are any featuring ed Sheeran or George Ezra. Pair of talentless, boring, insipid gooons
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’m no fan of either but Ed Sheeran is not talentless. I’d agree that a lot of his songs are boring and insipid but he’s a very accomplished musician.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
With 150 co-writers
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Maybe, but he plays guitar well. And can do it live.
posted on 16/3/21
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 9 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 9 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 16 minutes ago
Also I find the whole “abuse” thing and lumping it all in the same category astounding. People online saying “every woman has at one point been harassed or sexually abused”. There’s a huge difference between flirting with someone and sexual assault.
I’ve been hollered at and had my ass squeezed and followed about by women in bars and clubs before but I wouldn’t blame all women for it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nobody is blaming all men.
Why you getting so defensive if it doesn't apply to you?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe you haven’t been on the internet or watched tv the whole week? People have been blaming all men.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No they haven't.
You thinking that they have says a lot about you tbf
posted on 16/3/21
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 9 hours, 12 minutes ago
Everybody should feel safe on our streets, be it men or women, but some ridiculous suggestions have come up recently like a 6pm curfew for men.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That wasn't a suggestion.
It was a provocative statement aimed at storing debate and highlighted the ridiculousness of statements that women have to hear, "Don't wear this" "stay in public places" "carry an alarm" "don't wear heels" "pretend you're on the phone" etc.
Clearly worked
posted on 16/3/21
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
millions of years of evolution haven't been trumped by a century of feminism
truth is , most women, sexually and physiologically (esp when young , during their fertile years) are attracted to men who dominate them
how does this square with current male-female relations
----------------------------------------------------------------------
lol
posted on 16/3/21
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 9 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 9 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 16 minutes ago
Also I find the whole “abuse” thing and lumping it all in the same category astounding. People online saying “every woman has at one point been harassed or sexually abused”. There’s a huge difference between flirting with someone and sexual assault.
I’ve been hollered at and had my ass squeezed and followed about by women in bars and clubs before but I wouldn’t blame all women for it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nobody is blaming all men.
Why you getting so defensive if it doesn't apply to you?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe you haven’t been on the internet or watched tv the whole week? People have been blaming all men.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No they haven't.
You thinking that they have says a lot about you tbf
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not blaming per se, but surely any rational person can see that this is a terrible article?
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/women-sexual-assault-men-sarah-everard-b1816753.html
posted on 16/3/21
<truth is , most women, sexually and physiologically (esp when young , during their fertile years) are attracted to men who dominate them>
You live in Royston Vasey?
posted on 16/3/21
comment by The Mighty Quinn (U4099)
posted 15 seconds ago
<truth is , most women, sexually and physiologically (esp when young , during their fertile years) are attracted to men who dominate them>
You live in Royston Vasey?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you local?
Evening chum.
posted on 16/3/21
<had my ass squeezed and followed about by women in bars and clubs before but I wouldn’t blame all women for it.>
Aye.
But you had to pay for it.
posted on 16/3/21
Mighty.
You have rubbed off on me, and now I am a left leaning feminist, trapped in right wing mysogynists body.
posted on 16/3/21
bbab.
I am local Sir Yes Sir!
Just looked at OP & last couple posts.
posted on 16/3/21
comment by The Mighty Quinn (U4099)
posted 41 seconds ago
<had my ass squeezed and followed about by women in bars and clubs before but I wouldn’t blame all women for it.>
Aye.
But you had to pay for it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It was a Tory Monday Club.
I had my was grabbed at the bar and turned round to see my boss standing there....lovely big fella.
It was actually a woman and I never thought anything of it.
Am shy, see.
posted on 16/3/21
Haha!
Sonn be oot & aboot tho.
Sturgeon will open up Scotland 2 weeks before the Elections here.
As I said last September.
Bad Cop Dec - April.
Good Cop May.
posted on 16/3/21
comment by The Mighty Quinn (U4099)
posted 1 minute ago
bbab.
I am local Sir Yes Sir!
Just looked at OP & last couple posts.
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My wife could not watch League of Gentleman, as it disturbed her....almost as much as marrying a sticky bun.
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