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comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
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Are people on here actually supportive of vaccine passports and imposing strict restrictions on the non-vaccinated?
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I support vaccine passports.
If cases continue to rise to the extent that pressure is again put on the NHS in Scotland then the Govt can try various measures. But if it is a choice between 'lockdown for everyone' as has happened previously or 'lockdown for everyone but exemption for those with double vaccinations or immunity' - then it's the latter for me.
A protocol does need to be worked out for those not vaccinated for health reasons.
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I understand the sentiment and have sympathy with it, but ultimately I don't support vaccine passports. I don't think it's workable, I don't think it's feasible and I don't think it'll be effective.
As much as I think unvaccinated people are selfish whanks, I don't think we should be effectively mandating vaccines.
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I've pointed out as others have that as a society everyday we actively restrict peoples freedoms - for example we make it mandatory to drive sober, to wear a crash helmet on a motorbike, not to smoke indoors in cafes/pubs etc, to be quarantined should we have a very infectious disease, to be immunised before we travel to certain countries to be sectioned.
I do respect the rights of anti-vaxxers not to have a vaccine - but if they have to quarantine because of that - because they pose a health risk to others - then hell slap it into them.
There is a limit where individual freedoms impinge on and are dangerous to the freedoms of others.
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How do they pose a health risk to others.
The vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of virus, that’s clear from health officials, from personal experience and everyone I know and obv cases.
'The vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of virus'
Well, it does to at least some degree. It stops some people from catching it, and stops others from spreading it.
Nothing like this is 100% effective, but it does help stop the spread of the virus.
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 6 minutes ago
'The vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of virus'
Well, it does to at least some degree. It stops some people from catching it, and stops others from spreading it.
Nothing like this is 100% effective, but it does help stop the spread of the virus.
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Aye there’s a couple studies that say it does. There’s also studies showing it doesn’t.
While health officials and politicians have said clearly it doesn’t stop the spread. From personal experience it didn’t stop any of my friends of family getting it and spreading to other family. Case rates again clearly haven’t really changed - hospital admissions clearly have.
Antibodies from having past infection are showing to be just as effective if not more effective as vaccine, so why no consideration of those for passports
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comment by Tully1 (U20686)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 7 minutes ago
Also the record on health and education will be the hills Sturgeon will “die” on.
Again doesn’t make sense. Who or what will they blame this time? Thatcher again?
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And, sleaze, ineptitude, sleaze, lying, sleaze, corruption and even more sleaze will be the hill Boris dies on. Who will he blame this time? Corbyn? The Irish Foreign Minister? the Remainers? The French? Or the French again, and their pitiful response to 'protecting OUR borders'.
See what I did there?
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I did.
You managed to completely avoid what I thought was a fairly innocuous question taking into account the huge disparities in performance in those quite key measurables.
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The Nuffield Trust and the Health Foundation looked at the four health systems of the United Kingdom: and asked how do they compare?
"So, the main conclusions from this latest analysis are that, so far, the different
policies adopted by each country appear to have made little difference to long-term
national trends on most of the indicators that the authors were able to compare.
Individual countries can point to marginal differences in performance in one or more
areas. This lack of clear-cut differences in performance may be surprising given the
extent of debate about differences in structure, provider competition, patient choice
and use of non-NHS providers across the four countries".
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posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Tully1 (U20686)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tully1 (U20686)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 39 seconds ago
Are people on here actually supportive of vaccine passports and imposing strict restrictions on the non-vaccinated?
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I support vaccine passports.
If cases continue to rise to the extent that pressure is again put on the NHS in Scotland then the Govt can try various measures. But if it is a choice between 'lockdown for everyone' as has happened previously or 'lockdown for everyone but exemption for those with double vaccinations or immunity' - then it's the latter for me.
A protocol does need to be worked out for those not vaccinated for health reasons.
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I understand the sentiment and have sympathy with it, but ultimately I don't support vaccine passports. I don't think it's workable, I don't think it's feasible and I don't think it'll be effective.
As much as I think unvaccinated people are selfish whanks, I don't think we should be effectively mandating vaccines.
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I've pointed out as others have that as a society everyday we actively restrict peoples freedoms - for example we make it mandatory to drive sober, to wear a crash helmet on a motorbike, not to smoke indoors in cafes/pubs etc, to be quarantined should we have a very infectious disease, to be immunised before we travel to certain countries to be sectioned.
I do respect the rights of anti-vaxxers not to have a vaccine - but if they have to quarantine because of that - because they pose a health risk to others - then hell slap it into them.
There is a limit where individual freedoms impinge on and are dangerous to the freedoms of others.
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How do they pose a health risk to others.
The vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of virus, that’s clear from health officials, from personal experience and everyone I know and obv cases.
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According to the CDC" COVID 19-vaccines are effective and can reduce the risk of getting and spreading the virus that causes COVID-19".
Source https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-benefits.html
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comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
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comment by Tully1 (U20686)
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comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tully1 (U20686)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 39 seconds ago
Are people on here actually supportive of vaccine passports and imposing strict restrictions on the non-vaccinated?
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I support vaccine passports.
If cases continue to rise to the extent that pressure is again put on the NHS in Scotland then the Govt can try various measures. But if it is a choice between 'lockdown for everyone' as has happened previously or 'lockdown for everyone but exemption for those with double vaccinations or immunity' - then it's the latter for me.
A protocol does need to be worked out for those not vaccinated for health reasons.
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I understand the sentiment and have sympathy with it, but ultimately I don't support vaccine passports. I don't think it's workable, I don't think it's feasible and I don't think it'll be effective.
As much as I think unvaccinated people are selfish whanks, I don't think we should be effectively mandating vaccines.
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I've pointed out as others have that as a society everyday we actively restrict peoples freedoms - for example we make it mandatory to drive sober, to wear a crash helmet on a motorbike, not to smoke indoors in cafes/pubs etc, to be quarantined should we have a very infectious disease, to be immunised before we travel to certain countries to be sectioned.
I do respect the rights of anti-vaxxers not to have a vaccine - but if they have to quarantine because of that - because they pose a health risk to others - then hell slap it into them.
There is a limit where individual freedoms impinge on and are dangerous to the freedoms of others.
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How do they pose a health risk to others.
The vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of virus, that’s clear from health officials, from personal experience and everyone I know and obv cases.
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According to the CDC" COVID 19-vaccines are effective and can reduce the risk of getting and spreading the virus that causes COVID-19".
Source https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-benefits.html
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That source leads with the vaccine being safe for 5-11 year olds…
I’ve not seen any research that shows the vaccines are completely ineffective with regards to transmission. Not one.
The lowest I’ve seen is 50% effective for delta.
I think that’s just nonsense.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
Splitting the population on the basis of a vaccine is a massive slippery road to go down when we’re talking about people’s basic rights to eat or drink out or even travel. I can’t believe people agree with this.
In Austria anyone not double vaccinated is essentially confined to their homes and only able to venture out for basic essentials or necessary work. Anyone can be stopped on the street and demanded they show their vaccination with a heavy fine penalty should they fail to do so.
And that’s ok is it?
Fwck right off. What kind of country do you want to live in ffs.
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comment by Zico 💚 Stevie G LOYAL (U21900)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
Splitting the population on the basis of a vaccine is a massive slippery road to go down when we’re talking about people’s basic rights to eat or drink out or even travel. I can’t believe people agree with this.
In Austria anyone not double vaccinated is essentially confined to their homes and only able to venture out for basic essentials or necessary work. Anyone can be stopped on the street and demanded they show their vaccination with a heavy fine penalty should they fail to do so.
And that’s ok is it?
Fwck right off. What kind of country do you want to live in ffs.
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OK Zico - what is your choice if it comes to it?
1. Strict lockdown again for everyone
2. Strict lockdown again for everyone, but with exemption for those double vaccinated?
FWIW I have had both jabs. My kids have had their jab.
I have the vaccine passport and if ever asked for it I can show it but TBH I couldn't care less. Getting the jab was to protect me and the family. It helps minimise the effects we'd suffer if we caught COVID.
I now have the freedom to go out and do what I want again. Other people having the vaccine won't stop me getting it, it simply helps them so if the anti-vaxxers want to believe Facebook conspiracy theories and end up really ill then that is upon them.
IMO if someone ends up in hospital with COVID then they get the vaccine while there, no picking and choosing when they need medical help.
That way no need for vaccine passport. Let the idiots suffer if they choose to believe nonsense and let the rest of us get on with our lives.
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 6 minutes ago
I’ve not seen any research that shows the vaccines are completely ineffective with regards to transmission. Not one.
The lowest I’ve seen is 50% effective for delta.
I think that’s just nonsense.
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Can’t say I spend time looking at study results. But read the news and have personal experience. Everyone I know that’s been infected has infected others in household, when all are double vaxxed. Never mind case data hasn’t. And there’s a host of politicians, health officials etc on record saying it doesn’t stop spread.
So your introducing a completely illiberal mandate for something that doesn’t stop the spread of the virus. Also goes back to why not also include people that have previously been infected.
I guess it’s fine if you’re illiberal.
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comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tully1 (U20686)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 39 seconds ago
Are people on here actually supportive of vaccine passports and imposing strict restrictions on the non-vaccinated?
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I support vaccine passports.
If cases continue to rise to the extent that pressure is again put on the NHS in Scotland then the Govt can try various measures. But if it is a choice between 'lockdown for everyone' as has happened previously or 'lockdown for everyone but exemption for those with double vaccinations or immunity' - then it's the latter for me.
A protocol does need to be worked out for those not vaccinated for health reasons.
.
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I understand the sentiment and have sympathy with it, but ultimately I don't support vaccine passports. I don't think it's workable, I don't think it's feasible and I don't think it'll be effective.
As much as I think unvaccinated people are selfish whanks, I don't think we should be effectively mandating vaccines.
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I've pointed out as others have that as a society everyday we actively restrict peoples freedoms - for example we make it mandatory to drive sober, to wear a crash helmet on a motorbike, not to smoke indoors in cafes/pubs etc, to be quarantined should we have a very infectious disease, to be immunised before we travel to certain countries to be sectioned.
I do respect the rights of anti-vaxxers not to have a vaccine - but if they have to quarantine because of that - because they pose a health risk to others - then hell slap it into them.
There is a limit where individual freedoms impinge on and are dangerous to the freedoms of others.
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How do they pose a health risk to others.
The vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of virus, that’s clear from health officials, from personal experience and everyone I know and obv cases.
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According to the CDC" COVID 19-vaccines are effective and can reduce the risk of getting and spreading the virus that causes COVID-19".
Source https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-benefits.html
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That source leads with the vaccine being safe for 5-11 year olds…
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Yep, I saw that.
Where is your source that states "The vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of virus, that’s clear from health officials"?
Data dat data
And interpretations.
All gathered over 18 months when for the first 12 we hadn’t a clue as to what we are dealing with.
Yet here we are demanding and potentially enforcing by law that people must give up their free rights to take a vaccine or face exclusion from basic free rights.
Are we fwcking serious here? A two tier society?
Away and take a fwck to yourselves. And you have the audacity to call anyone else selfish. Irony doesn’t even touch the surface and who the fwck gave anyone here the God given right to demand this of anyone else.
It’s a virus. It’ll likely be here until the end of time and whilst we might hold up or delay spread, there’s every chance every person on the planet may get it in one form or another. It’s lunacy to think it’ll all be sorted in a few months or even years and this is the kind of life a section of the population should suffer from?
Not everyone who hasn’t had a vaccine is an anti-vaxxer ffs. Honestly clueless some of the comments I’ve read in here.
I’ve had both my vaccines and had my booster. All my own choice and free will but I’ll never demand someone else does and I don’t care what reason they probably wouldn’t even want to give me. None of my business. I’ve protected myself as much as I possibly can. What’s next?
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comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tully1 (U20686)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 39 seconds ago
Are people on here actually supportive of vaccine passports and imposing strict restrictions on the non-vaccinated?
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I support vaccine passports.
If cases continue to rise to the extent that pressure is again put on the NHS in Scotland then the Govt can try various measures. But if it is a choice between 'lockdown for everyone' as has happened previously or 'lockdown for everyone but exemption for those with double vaccinations or immunity' - then it's the latter for me.
A protocol does need to be worked out for those not vaccinated for health reasons.
.
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I understand the sentiment and have sympathy with it, but ultimately I don't support vaccine passports. I don't think it's workable, I don't think it's feasible and I don't think it'll be effective.
As much as I think unvaccinated people are selfish whanks, I don't think we should be effectively mandating vaccines.
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I've pointed out as others have that as a society everyday we actively restrict peoples freedoms - for example we make it mandatory to drive sober, to wear a crash helmet on a motorbike, not to smoke indoors in cafes/pubs etc, to be quarantined should we have a very infectious disease, to be immunised before we travel to certain countries to be sectioned.
I do respect the rights of anti-vaxxers not to have a vaccine - but if they have to quarantine because of that - because they pose a health risk to others - then hell slap it into them.
There is a limit where individual freedoms impinge on and are dangerous to the freedoms of others.
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How do they pose a health risk to others.
The vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of virus, that’s clear from health officials, from personal experience and everyone I know and obv cases.
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According to the CDC" COVID 19-vaccines are effective and can reduce the risk of getting and spreading the virus that causes COVID-19".
Source https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-benefits.html
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That source leads with the vaccine being safe for 5-11 year olds…
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Yep, I saw that.
Where is your source that states "The vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of virus, that’s clear from health officials"?
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Can’t say I know their names or can be bothered looking
Only person I can remember is the buffoon Boris on the news, who is obv fed his stuff by health officials
comment by Tully1 (U20686)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Zico 💚 Stevie G LOYAL (U21900)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
Splitting the population on the basis of a vaccine is a massive slippery road to go down when we’re talking about people’s basic rights to eat or drink out or even travel. I can’t believe people agree with this.
In Austria anyone not double vaccinated is essentially confined to their homes and only able to venture out for basic essentials or necessary work. Anyone can be stopped on the street and demanded they show their vaccination with a heavy fine penalty should they fail to do so.
And that’s ok is it?
Fwck right off. What kind of country do you want to live in ffs.
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OK Zico - what is your choice if it comes to it?
1. Strict lockdown again for everyone
2. Strict lockdown again for everyone, but with exemption for those double vaccinated?
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Oh goody. Binary choices like there isn’t the alternative of anyone who wants to just doing the right thing by them as they believe and see fit and getting on with life as best as we can for a natural virus.
Honest to Christ I genuinely despair at these idiotic hysterical headlines. The government must love you.
Strict lockdown for everyone or strict lockdown for some because they don’t agree with you. Honestly laughable were it not so tragic.
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comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
Iv had the both doses of the Pfizer vaccine, fine after the first one (sore arm for a day max that was it).
Got the 2nd does about 3.5 weeks ago and just dont feel right. Been having headaches regular (including today) prob taken more painkillers in the last two weeks than I have in the last 5 years. My elbow joints have been sore (both, started with left arm then moved onto the right arm) I also get strange pains in my left arm and hte only way I can describe it is a pain in my bones?? not muscualar or tissue damaging but it feel like its my bones? the pain aint that bad to be fair like a 4/10 but its a weird pain and feeling iv never had before.
Went to the hospital on Friday but they didnt seem to worried, doctor said that they wanted to see behind my eyes but she wasnt able to and just gave up, told me to take pain killers and that was it.
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Could you be pregnant?
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He’s a bear. That’s how they always look.
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 6 minutes ago
I’ve not seen any research that shows the vaccines are completely ineffective with regards to transmission. Not one.
The lowest I’ve seen is 50% effective for delta.
I think that’s just nonsense.
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Can’t say I spend time looking at study results. But read the news and have personal experience. Everyone I know that’s been infected has infected others in household, when all are double vaxxed. Never mind case data hasn’t. And there’s a host of politicians, health officials etc on record saying it doesn’t stop spread.
So your introducing a completely illiberal mandate for something that doesn’t stop the spread of the virus. Also goes back to why not also include people that have previously been infected.
I guess it’s fine if you’re illiberal.
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I’ve made no comment about the vaccine passports.
I’m only highlighting that there are a multitude of studies that provide genuine evidence about transmission rather than anything anecdotal.
That’s easy to back up. I’m not sure there’s any research to back up your claims.
And btw-if it prevents anyone from catching covid, then that’s also breaking transmission.
As for the political thing, I don't think there are much politics at play. What good does it do for the SNP or any party to deliberately lockdown people? It does them no good whatsoever.
I gave up my SNP membership during lockdown as I am completely disgusted at the difference in how football fans were treated compared to any other people. I wrote to them to tell them that. It may not make a difference but I'd rather they knew.
It gives me a conundrum now. I will not vote for any party that is not for independence but I do not want to vote for the SNP again. however, not voting for them helps the Scottish Tories and Labour.
Scottish Labour need to get their act together and support independence. They'll wipe the floor with the votes if they do
comment by Call Sign: The Sheriff's Deputy (U3627)
posted 6 minutes ago
As for the political thing, I don't think there are much politics at play. What good does it do for the SNP or any party to deliberately lockdown people? It does them no good whatsoever.
I gave up my SNP membership during lockdown as I am completely disgusted at the difference in how football fans were treated compared to any other people. I wrote to them to tell them that. It may not make a difference but I'd rather they knew.
It gives me a conundrum now. I will not vote for any party that is not for independence but I do not want to vote for the SNP again. however, not voting for them helps the Scottish Tories and Labour.
Scottish Labour need to get their act together and support independence. They'll wipe the floor with the votes if they do
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Every decision made over Covid is a political choice. Make no mistake about that.
They are given “advice” some of which they choose to accept and some they don’t. People dying is a strong incentive to do something so the choice becomes an easy one to make.
Things start to improve and they still choose to ignore or drown out alternative advice that a majority of the public won’t like mainly because they’ve been deliberately terrified to death.
Everyone could see the consequences of lockdowns yet still they are often the go to or the threat. And this despite governments knowing they may now cause more harm than good. And still millions are terrified enough to demand more. Hence why we now have a move towards a split society of unequals.
Remember the advice on another 100,000 dead and 100,000 new cases a day with 10,000+ in intensive care beds? More advice.
"He’s a bear. That’s how they always look."
Day late and a dollar short Pointyheed......
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 6 minutes ago
I’ve not seen any research that shows the vaccines are completely ineffective with regards to transmission. Not one.
The lowest I’ve seen is 50% effective for delta.
I think that’s just nonsense.
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Can’t say I spend time looking at study results. But read the news and have personal experience. Everyone I know that’s been infected has infected others in household, when all are double vaxxed. Never mind case data hasn’t. And there’s a host of politicians, health officials etc on record saying it doesn’t stop spread.
So your introducing a completely illiberal mandate for something that doesn’t stop the spread of the virus. Also goes back to why not also include people that have previously been infected.
I guess it’s fine if you’re illiberal.
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I’ve made no comment about the vaccine passports.
I’m only highlighting that there are a multitude of studies that provide genuine evidence about transmission rather than anything anecdotal.
That’s easy to back up. I’m not sure there’s any research to back up your claims.
And btw-if it prevents anyone from catching covid, then that’s also breaking transmission.
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From personal experience, including myself, I don’t know any vaccinated household that haven’t all ended up testing positive after someone catching it.
Includes a family where someone had their booster. Can look at case rates too, Ireland vaccination rates are high and so are covid cases. Seems very simple to me that you can’t stop he spread, restrictions simply kick the problem down the line. Seeing the spread in Europe now when we were higher earlier.
You can say the vaccine reduces spread, but it’s absolutely clear it doesn’t stop the spread.
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posted 2 minutes ago
"He’s a bear. That’s how they always look."
Day late and a dollar short Pointyheed......
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Should have known. You guys are so predictable.
‘You can say the vaccine reduces spread, but it’s absolutely clear it doesn’t stop the spread.’
Well, yes that’s exactly what I said.
It was you that said it didn’t by saying it didn’t stop transmission.
I’m sure we could all produce anecdotal evidence to boost a point we’ve made, but research shows that to not be the case overall. Israel has shown an incredible reduction in cases after starting their booster.
Genuinely, it’s not even a debate. It’s seriously not.
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 6 minutes ago
I’ve not seen any research that shows the vaccines are completely ineffective with regards to transmission. Not one.
The lowest I’ve seen is 50% effective for delta.
I think that’s just nonsense.
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Can’t say I spend time looking at study results. But read the news and have personal experience. Everyone I know that’s been infected has infected others in household, when all are double vaxxed. Never mind case data hasn’t. And there’s a host of politicians, health officials etc on record saying it doesn’t stop spread.
So your introducing a completely illiberal mandate for something that doesn’t stop the spread of the virus. Also goes back to why not also include people that have previously been infected.
I guess it’s fine if you’re illiberal.
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I’ve made no comment about the vaccine passports.
I’m only highlighting that there are a multitude of studies that provide genuine evidence about transmission rather than anything anecdotal.
That’s easy to back up. I’m not sure there’s any research to back up your claims.
And btw-if it prevents anyone from catching covid, then that’s also breaking transmission.
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From personal experience, including myself, I don’t know any vaccinated household that haven’t all ended up testing positive after someone catching it.
Includes a family where someone had their booster. Can look at case rates too, Ireland vaccination rates are high and so are covid cases. Seems very simple to me that you can’t stop he spread, restrictions simply kick the problem down the line. Seeing the spread in Europe now when we were higher earlier.
You can say the vaccine reduces spread, but it’s absolutely clear it doesn’t stop the spread.
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Yep. It slows down the spread which was to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed. That was the understandable rationale and one I’m sure everyone would have agreed with at the time. I did and I did again the second time.
The issue is the NHS. It’s not fit for purpose in todays world and is a money pit of multi billions. Every problem or challenge appears to be a simple demand for more money without a single inkling of any structural change which when mentioned at all results in the requirement for more money and management.
We can argue all day about why it is in such a state but that doesn’t change the issue. Until we build and staff hospitals and care facilities much as they do in many other European cities it will never change. We’ll just add in more layers.
And that bottom line is that we are dealing with a virus. You can’t just lock yourself away from it forever.
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"He’s a bear. That’s how they always look."
Day late and a dollar short Pointyheed......
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Should have known. You guys are so predictable.
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Doesn't make it not true though
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Are people on here actually supportive of vaccine passports and imposing strict restrictions on the non-vaccinated?
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I support vaccine passports.
If cases continue to rise to the extent that pressure is again put on the NHS in Scotland then the Govt can try various measures. But if it is a choice between 'lockdown for everyone' as has happened previously or 'lockdown for everyone but exemption for those with double vaccinations or immunity' - then it's the latter for me.
A protocol does need to be worked out for those not vaccinated for health reasons.
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I understand the sentiment and have sympathy with it, but ultimately I don't support vaccine passports. I don't think it's workable, I don't think it's feasible and I don't think it'll be effective.
As much as I think unvaccinated people are selfish whanks, I don't think we should be effectively mandating vaccines.
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I've pointed out as others have that as a society everyday we actively restrict peoples freedoms - for example we make it mandatory to drive sober, to wear a crash helmet on a motorbike, not to smoke indoors in cafes/pubs etc, to be quarantined should we have a very infectious disease, to be immunised before we travel to certain countries to be sectioned.
I do respect the rights of anti-vaxxers not to have a vaccine - but if they have to quarantine because of that - because they pose a health risk to others - then hell slap it into them.
There is a limit where individual freedoms impinge on and are dangerous to the freedoms of others.
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How do they pose a health risk to others.
The vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of virus, that’s clear from health officials, from personal experience and everyone I know and obv cases.
posted on 16/11/21
'The vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of virus'
Well, it does to at least some degree. It stops some people from catching it, and stops others from spreading it.
Nothing like this is 100% effective, but it does help stop the spread of the virus.
posted on 16/11/21
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 6 minutes ago
'The vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of virus'
Well, it does to at least some degree. It stops some people from catching it, and stops others from spreading it.
Nothing like this is 100% effective, but it does help stop the spread of the virus.
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Aye there’s a couple studies that say it does. There’s also studies showing it doesn’t.
While health officials and politicians have said clearly it doesn’t stop the spread. From personal experience it didn’t stop any of my friends of family getting it and spreading to other family. Case rates again clearly haven’t really changed - hospital admissions clearly have.
Antibodies from having past infection are showing to be just as effective if not more effective as vaccine, so why no consideration of those for passports
posted on 16/11/21
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Tully1 (U20686)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 7 minutes ago
Also the record on health and education will be the hills Sturgeon will “die” on.
Again doesn’t make sense. Who or what will they blame this time? Thatcher again?
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And, sleaze, ineptitude, sleaze, lying, sleaze, corruption and even more sleaze will be the hill Boris dies on. Who will he blame this time? Corbyn? The Irish Foreign Minister? the Remainers? The French? Or the French again, and their pitiful response to 'protecting OUR borders'.
See what I did there?
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I did.
You managed to completely avoid what I thought was a fairly innocuous question taking into account the huge disparities in performance in those quite key measurables.
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The Nuffield Trust and the Health Foundation looked at the four health systems of the United Kingdom: and asked how do they compare?
"So, the main conclusions from this latest analysis are that, so far, the different
policies adopted by each country appear to have made little difference to long-term
national trends on most of the indicators that the authors were able to compare.
Individual countries can point to marginal differences in performance in one or more
areas. This lack of clear-cut differences in performance may be surprising given the
extent of debate about differences in structure, provider competition, patient choice
and use of non-NHS providers across the four countries".
posted on 16/11/21
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Tully1 (U20686)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tully1 (U20686)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 39 seconds ago
Are people on here actually supportive of vaccine passports and imposing strict restrictions on the non-vaccinated?
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I support vaccine passports.
If cases continue to rise to the extent that pressure is again put on the NHS in Scotland then the Govt can try various measures. But if it is a choice between 'lockdown for everyone' as has happened previously or 'lockdown for everyone but exemption for those with double vaccinations or immunity' - then it's the latter for me.
A protocol does need to be worked out for those not vaccinated for health reasons.
.
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I understand the sentiment and have sympathy with it, but ultimately I don't support vaccine passports. I don't think it's workable, I don't think it's feasible and I don't think it'll be effective.
As much as I think unvaccinated people are selfish whanks, I don't think we should be effectively mandating vaccines.
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I've pointed out as others have that as a society everyday we actively restrict peoples freedoms - for example we make it mandatory to drive sober, to wear a crash helmet on a motorbike, not to smoke indoors in cafes/pubs etc, to be quarantined should we have a very infectious disease, to be immunised before we travel to certain countries to be sectioned.
I do respect the rights of anti-vaxxers not to have a vaccine - but if they have to quarantine because of that - because they pose a health risk to others - then hell slap it into them.
There is a limit where individual freedoms impinge on and are dangerous to the freedoms of others.
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How do they pose a health risk to others.
The vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of virus, that’s clear from health officials, from personal experience and everyone I know and obv cases.
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According to the CDC" COVID 19-vaccines are effective and can reduce the risk of getting and spreading the virus that causes COVID-19".
Source https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-benefits.html
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posted on 16/11/21
comment by Tully1 (U20686)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Tully1 (U20686)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tully1 (U20686)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 39 seconds ago
Are people on here actually supportive of vaccine passports and imposing strict restrictions on the non-vaccinated?
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I support vaccine passports.
If cases continue to rise to the extent that pressure is again put on the NHS in Scotland then the Govt can try various measures. But if it is a choice between 'lockdown for everyone' as has happened previously or 'lockdown for everyone but exemption for those with double vaccinations or immunity' - then it's the latter for me.
A protocol does need to be worked out for those not vaccinated for health reasons.
.
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I understand the sentiment and have sympathy with it, but ultimately I don't support vaccine passports. I don't think it's workable, I don't think it's feasible and I don't think it'll be effective.
As much as I think unvaccinated people are selfish whanks, I don't think we should be effectively mandating vaccines.
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I've pointed out as others have that as a society everyday we actively restrict peoples freedoms - for example we make it mandatory to drive sober, to wear a crash helmet on a motorbike, not to smoke indoors in cafes/pubs etc, to be quarantined should we have a very infectious disease, to be immunised before we travel to certain countries to be sectioned.
I do respect the rights of anti-vaxxers not to have a vaccine - but if they have to quarantine because of that - because they pose a health risk to others - then hell slap it into them.
There is a limit where individual freedoms impinge on and are dangerous to the freedoms of others.
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How do they pose a health risk to others.
The vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of virus, that’s clear from health officials, from personal experience and everyone I know and obv cases.
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According to the CDC" COVID 19-vaccines are effective and can reduce the risk of getting and spreading the virus that causes COVID-19".
Source https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-benefits.html
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That source leads with the vaccine being safe for 5-11 year olds…
posted on 16/11/21
I’ve not seen any research that shows the vaccines are completely ineffective with regards to transmission. Not one.
The lowest I’ve seen is 50% effective for delta.
I think that’s just nonsense.
posted on 16/11/21
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
Splitting the population on the basis of a vaccine is a massive slippery road to go down when we’re talking about people’s basic rights to eat or drink out or even travel. I can’t believe people agree with this.
In Austria anyone not double vaccinated is essentially confined to their homes and only able to venture out for basic essentials or necessary work. Anyone can be stopped on the street and demanded they show their vaccination with a heavy fine penalty should they fail to do so.
And that’s ok is it?
Fwck right off. What kind of country do you want to live in ffs.
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OFFFT Germany 1939
posted on 16/11/21
comment by Zico 💚 Stevie G LOYAL (U21900)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
Splitting the population on the basis of a vaccine is a massive slippery road to go down when we’re talking about people’s basic rights to eat or drink out or even travel. I can’t believe people agree with this.
In Austria anyone not double vaccinated is essentially confined to their homes and only able to venture out for basic essentials or necessary work. Anyone can be stopped on the street and demanded they show their vaccination with a heavy fine penalty should they fail to do so.
And that’s ok is it?
Fwck right off. What kind of country do you want to live in ffs.
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OFFFT Germany 1939
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OK Zico - what is your choice if it comes to it?
1. Strict lockdown again for everyone
2. Strict lockdown again for everyone, but with exemption for those double vaccinated?
posted on 16/11/21
FWIW I have had both jabs. My kids have had their jab.
I have the vaccine passport and if ever asked for it I can show it but TBH I couldn't care less. Getting the jab was to protect me and the family. It helps minimise the effects we'd suffer if we caught COVID.
I now have the freedom to go out and do what I want again. Other people having the vaccine won't stop me getting it, it simply helps them so if the anti-vaxxers want to believe Facebook conspiracy theories and end up really ill then that is upon them.
IMO if someone ends up in hospital with COVID then they get the vaccine while there, no picking and choosing when they need medical help.
That way no need for vaccine passport. Let the idiots suffer if they choose to believe nonsense and let the rest of us get on with our lives.
posted on 16/11/21
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 6 minutes ago
I’ve not seen any research that shows the vaccines are completely ineffective with regards to transmission. Not one.
The lowest I’ve seen is 50% effective for delta.
I think that’s just nonsense.
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Can’t say I spend time looking at study results. But read the news and have personal experience. Everyone I know that’s been infected has infected others in household, when all are double vaxxed. Never mind case data hasn’t. And there’s a host of politicians, health officials etc on record saying it doesn’t stop spread.
So your introducing a completely illiberal mandate for something that doesn’t stop the spread of the virus. Also goes back to why not also include people that have previously been infected.
I guess it’s fine if you’re illiberal.
posted on 16/11/21
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Tully1 (U20686)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Tully1 (U20686)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tully1 (U20686)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 39 seconds ago
Are people on here actually supportive of vaccine passports and imposing strict restrictions on the non-vaccinated?
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I support vaccine passports.
If cases continue to rise to the extent that pressure is again put on the NHS in Scotland then the Govt can try various measures. But if it is a choice between 'lockdown for everyone' as has happened previously or 'lockdown for everyone but exemption for those with double vaccinations or immunity' - then it's the latter for me.
A protocol does need to be worked out for those not vaccinated for health reasons.
.
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I understand the sentiment and have sympathy with it, but ultimately I don't support vaccine passports. I don't think it's workable, I don't think it's feasible and I don't think it'll be effective.
As much as I think unvaccinated people are selfish whanks, I don't think we should be effectively mandating vaccines.
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I've pointed out as others have that as a society everyday we actively restrict peoples freedoms - for example we make it mandatory to drive sober, to wear a crash helmet on a motorbike, not to smoke indoors in cafes/pubs etc, to be quarantined should we have a very infectious disease, to be immunised before we travel to certain countries to be sectioned.
I do respect the rights of anti-vaxxers not to have a vaccine - but if they have to quarantine because of that - because they pose a health risk to others - then hell slap it into them.
There is a limit where individual freedoms impinge on and are dangerous to the freedoms of others.
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How do they pose a health risk to others.
The vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of virus, that’s clear from health officials, from personal experience and everyone I know and obv cases.
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According to the CDC" COVID 19-vaccines are effective and can reduce the risk of getting and spreading the virus that causes COVID-19".
Source https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-benefits.html
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That source leads with the vaccine being safe for 5-11 year olds…
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Yep, I saw that.
Where is your source that states "The vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of virus, that’s clear from health officials"?
posted on 16/11/21
Data dat data
And interpretations.
All gathered over 18 months when for the first 12 we hadn’t a clue as to what we are dealing with.
Yet here we are demanding and potentially enforcing by law that people must give up their free rights to take a vaccine or face exclusion from basic free rights.
Are we fwcking serious here? A two tier society?
Away and take a fwck to yourselves. And you have the audacity to call anyone else selfish. Irony doesn’t even touch the surface and who the fwck gave anyone here the God given right to demand this of anyone else.
It’s a virus. It’ll likely be here until the end of time and whilst we might hold up or delay spread, there’s every chance every person on the planet may get it in one form or another. It’s lunacy to think it’ll all be sorted in a few months or even years and this is the kind of life a section of the population should suffer from?
Not everyone who hasn’t had a vaccine is an anti-vaxxer ffs. Honestly clueless some of the comments I’ve read in here.
I’ve had both my vaccines and had my booster. All my own choice and free will but I’ll never demand someone else does and I don’t care what reason they probably wouldn’t even want to give me. None of my business. I’ve protected myself as much as I possibly can. What’s next?
posted on 16/11/21
comment by Tully1 (U20686)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Tully1 (U20686)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Tully1 (U20686)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tully1 (U20686)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 39 seconds ago
Are people on here actually supportive of vaccine passports and imposing strict restrictions on the non-vaccinated?
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I support vaccine passports.
If cases continue to rise to the extent that pressure is again put on the NHS in Scotland then the Govt can try various measures. But if it is a choice between 'lockdown for everyone' as has happened previously or 'lockdown for everyone but exemption for those with double vaccinations or immunity' - then it's the latter for me.
A protocol does need to be worked out for those not vaccinated for health reasons.
.
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I understand the sentiment and have sympathy with it, but ultimately I don't support vaccine passports. I don't think it's workable, I don't think it's feasible and I don't think it'll be effective.
As much as I think unvaccinated people are selfish whanks, I don't think we should be effectively mandating vaccines.
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I've pointed out as others have that as a society everyday we actively restrict peoples freedoms - for example we make it mandatory to drive sober, to wear a crash helmet on a motorbike, not to smoke indoors in cafes/pubs etc, to be quarantined should we have a very infectious disease, to be immunised before we travel to certain countries to be sectioned.
I do respect the rights of anti-vaxxers not to have a vaccine - but if they have to quarantine because of that - because they pose a health risk to others - then hell slap it into them.
There is a limit where individual freedoms impinge on and are dangerous to the freedoms of others.
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How do they pose a health risk to others.
The vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of virus, that’s clear from health officials, from personal experience and everyone I know and obv cases.
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According to the CDC" COVID 19-vaccines are effective and can reduce the risk of getting and spreading the virus that causes COVID-19".
Source https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-benefits.html
·
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That source leads with the vaccine being safe for 5-11 year olds…
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Yep, I saw that.
Where is your source that states "The vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of virus, that’s clear from health officials"?
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Can’t say I know their names or can be bothered looking
Only person I can remember is the buffoon Boris on the news, who is obv fed his stuff by health officials
posted on 16/11/21
comment by Tully1 (U20686)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Zico 💚 Stevie G LOYAL (U21900)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
Splitting the population on the basis of a vaccine is a massive slippery road to go down when we’re talking about people’s basic rights to eat or drink out or even travel. I can’t believe people agree with this.
In Austria anyone not double vaccinated is essentially confined to their homes and only able to venture out for basic essentials or necessary work. Anyone can be stopped on the street and demanded they show their vaccination with a heavy fine penalty should they fail to do so.
And that’s ok is it?
Fwck right off. What kind of country do you want to live in ffs.
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OFFFT Germany 1939
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OK Zico - what is your choice if it comes to it?
1. Strict lockdown again for everyone
2. Strict lockdown again for everyone, but with exemption for those double vaccinated?
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Oh goody. Binary choices like there isn’t the alternative of anyone who wants to just doing the right thing by them as they believe and see fit and getting on with life as best as we can for a natural virus.
Honest to Christ I genuinely despair at these idiotic hysterical headlines. The government must love you.
Strict lockdown for everyone or strict lockdown for some because they don’t agree with you. Honestly laughable were it not so tragic.
posted on 16/11/21
comment by I'm not as think as you drunk I am.......Schizophrenia was my idea!.....No it wasn't!.....You are never alone with a Schizo :D (U2115)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
Iv had the both doses of the Pfizer vaccine, fine after the first one (sore arm for a day max that was it).
Got the 2nd does about 3.5 weeks ago and just dont feel right. Been having headaches regular (including today) prob taken more painkillers in the last two weeks than I have in the last 5 years. My elbow joints have been sore (both, started with left arm then moved onto the right arm) I also get strange pains in my left arm and hte only way I can describe it is a pain in my bones?? not muscualar or tissue damaging but it feel like its my bones? the pain aint that bad to be fair like a 4/10 but its a weird pain and feeling iv never had before.
Went to the hospital on Friday but they didnt seem to worried, doctor said that they wanted to see behind my eyes but she wasnt able to and just gave up, told me to take pain killers and that was it.
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Could you be pregnant?
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He’s a bear. That’s how they always look.
posted on 16/11/21
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 6 minutes ago
I’ve not seen any research that shows the vaccines are completely ineffective with regards to transmission. Not one.
The lowest I’ve seen is 50% effective for delta.
I think that’s just nonsense.
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Can’t say I spend time looking at study results. But read the news and have personal experience. Everyone I know that’s been infected has infected others in household, when all are double vaxxed. Never mind case data hasn’t. And there’s a host of politicians, health officials etc on record saying it doesn’t stop spread.
So your introducing a completely illiberal mandate for something that doesn’t stop the spread of the virus. Also goes back to why not also include people that have previously been infected.
I guess it’s fine if you’re illiberal.
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I’ve made no comment about the vaccine passports.
I’m only highlighting that there are a multitude of studies that provide genuine evidence about transmission rather than anything anecdotal.
That’s easy to back up. I’m not sure there’s any research to back up your claims.
And btw-if it prevents anyone from catching covid, then that’s also breaking transmission.
posted on 16/11/21
As for the political thing, I don't think there are much politics at play. What good does it do for the SNP or any party to deliberately lockdown people? It does them no good whatsoever.
I gave up my SNP membership during lockdown as I am completely disgusted at the difference in how football fans were treated compared to any other people. I wrote to them to tell them that. It may not make a difference but I'd rather they knew.
It gives me a conundrum now. I will not vote for any party that is not for independence but I do not want to vote for the SNP again. however, not voting for them helps the Scottish Tories and Labour.
Scottish Labour need to get their act together and support independence. They'll wipe the floor with the votes if they do
posted on 16/11/21
comment by Call Sign: The Sheriff's Deputy (U3627)
posted 6 minutes ago
As for the political thing, I don't think there are much politics at play. What good does it do for the SNP or any party to deliberately lockdown people? It does them no good whatsoever.
I gave up my SNP membership during lockdown as I am completely disgusted at the difference in how football fans were treated compared to any other people. I wrote to them to tell them that. It may not make a difference but I'd rather they knew.
It gives me a conundrum now. I will not vote for any party that is not for independence but I do not want to vote for the SNP again. however, not voting for them helps the Scottish Tories and Labour.
Scottish Labour need to get their act together and support independence. They'll wipe the floor with the votes if they do
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Every decision made over Covid is a political choice. Make no mistake about that.
They are given “advice” some of which they choose to accept and some they don’t. People dying is a strong incentive to do something so the choice becomes an easy one to make.
Things start to improve and they still choose to ignore or drown out alternative advice that a majority of the public won’t like mainly because they’ve been deliberately terrified to death.
Everyone could see the consequences of lockdowns yet still they are often the go to or the threat. And this despite governments knowing they may now cause more harm than good. And still millions are terrified enough to demand more. Hence why we now have a move towards a split society of unequals.
Remember the advice on another 100,000 dead and 100,000 new cases a day with 10,000+ in intensive care beds? More advice.
posted on 16/11/21
"He’s a bear. That’s how they always look."
Day late and a dollar short Pointyheed......
posted on 16/11/21
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 6 minutes ago
I’ve not seen any research that shows the vaccines are completely ineffective with regards to transmission. Not one.
The lowest I’ve seen is 50% effective for delta.
I think that’s just nonsense.
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Can’t say I spend time looking at study results. But read the news and have personal experience. Everyone I know that’s been infected has infected others in household, when all are double vaxxed. Never mind case data hasn’t. And there’s a host of politicians, health officials etc on record saying it doesn’t stop spread.
So your introducing a completely illiberal mandate for something that doesn’t stop the spread of the virus. Also goes back to why not also include people that have previously been infected.
I guess it’s fine if you’re illiberal.
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I’ve made no comment about the vaccine passports.
I’m only highlighting that there are a multitude of studies that provide genuine evidence about transmission rather than anything anecdotal.
That’s easy to back up. I’m not sure there’s any research to back up your claims.
And btw-if it prevents anyone from catching covid, then that’s also breaking transmission.
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From personal experience, including myself, I don’t know any vaccinated household that haven’t all ended up testing positive after someone catching it.
Includes a family where someone had their booster. Can look at case rates too, Ireland vaccination rates are high and so are covid cases. Seems very simple to me that you can’t stop he spread, restrictions simply kick the problem down the line. Seeing the spread in Europe now when we were higher earlier.
You can say the vaccine reduces spread, but it’s absolutely clear it doesn’t stop the spread.
posted on 16/11/21
comment by I'm not as think as you drunk I am.......Schizophrenia was my idea!.....No it wasn't!.....You are never alone with a Schizo :D (U2115)
posted 2 minutes ago
"He’s a bear. That’s how they always look."
Day late and a dollar short Pointyheed......
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Should have known. You guys are so predictable.
posted on 16/11/21
‘You can say the vaccine reduces spread, but it’s absolutely clear it doesn’t stop the spread.’
Well, yes that’s exactly what I said.
It was you that said it didn’t by saying it didn’t stop transmission.
I’m sure we could all produce anecdotal evidence to boost a point we’ve made, but research shows that to not be the case overall. Israel has shown an incredible reduction in cases after starting their booster.
Genuinely, it’s not even a debate. It’s seriously not.
posted on 16/11/21
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 6 minutes ago
I’ve not seen any research that shows the vaccines are completely ineffective with regards to transmission. Not one.
The lowest I’ve seen is 50% effective for delta.
I think that’s just nonsense.
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Can’t say I spend time looking at study results. But read the news and have personal experience. Everyone I know that’s been infected has infected others in household, when all are double vaxxed. Never mind case data hasn’t. And there’s a host of politicians, health officials etc on record saying it doesn’t stop spread.
So your introducing a completely illiberal mandate for something that doesn’t stop the spread of the virus. Also goes back to why not also include people that have previously been infected.
I guess it’s fine if you’re illiberal.
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I’ve made no comment about the vaccine passports.
I’m only highlighting that there are a multitude of studies that provide genuine evidence about transmission rather than anything anecdotal.
That’s easy to back up. I’m not sure there’s any research to back up your claims.
And btw-if it prevents anyone from catching covid, then that’s also breaking transmission.
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From personal experience, including myself, I don’t know any vaccinated household that haven’t all ended up testing positive after someone catching it.
Includes a family where someone had their booster. Can look at case rates too, Ireland vaccination rates are high and so are covid cases. Seems very simple to me that you can’t stop he spread, restrictions simply kick the problem down the line. Seeing the spread in Europe now when we were higher earlier.
You can say the vaccine reduces spread, but it’s absolutely clear it doesn’t stop the spread.
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Yep. It slows down the spread which was to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed. That was the understandable rationale and one I’m sure everyone would have agreed with at the time. I did and I did again the second time.
The issue is the NHS. It’s not fit for purpose in todays world and is a money pit of multi billions. Every problem or challenge appears to be a simple demand for more money without a single inkling of any structural change which when mentioned at all results in the requirement for more money and management.
We can argue all day about why it is in such a state but that doesn’t change the issue. Until we build and staff hospitals and care facilities much as they do in many other European cities it will never change. We’ll just add in more layers.
And that bottom line is that we are dealing with a virus. You can’t just lock yourself away from it forever.
posted on 16/11/21
comment by PointyBirds - YerHeroKB’dYouseLikeYourFatMissus (U21890)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by I'm not as think as you drunk I am.......Schizophrenia was my idea!.....No it wasn't!.....You are never alone with a Schizo :D (U2115)
posted 2 minutes ago
"He’s a bear. That’s how they always look."
Day late and a dollar short Pointyheed......
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Should have known. You guys are so predictable.
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Doesn't make it not true though
Us looking preggers...Well this guy anyway ^^
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