In order to do any of this....we need to sell players
For me the board had a decision to make, back Gerrard via letting him keep the players he had that won the league title so successfully and add depth to that squad.....or sell first team players and give him the funds to replace those guys
They chose the first option...and in all honesty, given the squad we have has reached the Europa League final...it was more than good enough to win the league too....it hasn't happened due to our usual drop in form after Xmas rearing it's ugly head yet again.
As for Gerrard, I'd like to believe he left because he wasn't backed, that's the story he's giving....I'm not buying that though
We made a cvnt of the Malmö tie meaning Champions League football was gone...something that was probably used as an incentive to keep the squad and the manager at the club over the summer in the first place....so when that was gone, players heads went down and for me Gerrard had all but left other than in body, he most definitely wanted away after that point...no blame for that lies at the door of the board for me
Just to make another point
It was reported that Gerrard and the board had a disagreement because Gerrard wanted to blow the entire transfer budget that was available to him....on Kevin Nisbet from Hibs, and the board refused
You tell me mate....do you really think getting Nisbet in the door for a stupidly high fee would have swung the league for us?
I don't...so again, board made the right call for me in that instance, if that's why Gerrard took the huff and left then fine....as said, don't buy it, he fcked off coz we made an erse of qualifying for the Champions League
In defence of the board, they'd invested a fair amount into the playing squad for his first 3 years. Eventually he had to accept that the spending would dial down. And Celtic despite spending I think were at a profit net spend or close to break even.
It'll be a challenge to get back on top but I have some confidence it won't be impossible even with Celtic having access to CL money.
Key for me is GK to replace McGregor and CB to replace Goldson as I'm not sure Souttar has been brought in to be first pick every week or that he should be relied on to be that. Other moves seem dependent on who else moves on. Davis I think is out, Ramsey and Diallo almost certainly return to parent clubs.
Kamara, Aribo, Kent and Morelos replacements if they go will be challenging though. I think we are probably looking at needing to spend pretty much whatever comes in to get back.
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Think we will have a big turnaround regardless lex mate to be honest
Obviously the funds we get to make those changes will change, but think there's plenty players that will think this final will be the pinnacle of their Rangers career...plus GVB will want to bring more of his own players in I'd have thought
cant spend the money we dont have. Gerrard was given a budget to build the squad he did. like Stevie said in order to get funds this year we would have either had to qualify for champ league or sell players. Neither happened so no money was spent.
Next year is a completely different scenario. if we win on wed the money we bring in between this season and next is insane.
from europe if we win on wed we will bring in about 90m over the two years which for us is just mind boggling
Rangers lost the league in the January transfer window which was, frankly, a joke.
Despite apparently getting a significant sum of money for Patterson, none of it went to strengthen the team and the rest is history.
Celtic will likely be slightly better again next season but also have the disadvantage that the coaches in the league have had a full season to figure them out.
Rangers will be significantly weaker again next year regardless of the Champions League situation.
Celtic to make it two in a row with a bit to spare,
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 19 minutes ago
Think we will have a big turnaround regardless lex mate to be honest
Obviously the funds we get to make those changes will change, but think there's plenty players that will think this final will be the pinnacle of their Rangers career...plus GVB will want to bring more of his own players in I'd have thought
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hard to say right now, dont no who might renew their deals.
Good news is there will be a good bit of money there to buy players. The momey brought in from europe is like nothing we have seen before.
As I said if we win on wed, we will take in around £90m over this year and next. £90M !!!!! and you would have to imagine that our income from other areas will increase a fair bit... shirts, merchandise, sponsorships etc will all increase a fair bit.
Rangers will be significantly weaker again next year regardless of the Champions League situation.
I'm not sure how you arrive at this. Its definitely a possibility but I don't see it as a sure thing. Celtic could equally be significantly weaker particularly if Carter-Vickers and or Jota don't stay. They'd be difficult to replace also
comment by Miller - Bounce Game Champion (U9310)
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Rangers will be significantly weaker again next year regardless of the Champions League situation.
I'm not sure how you arrive at this. Its definitely a possibility but I don't see it as a sure thing. Celtic could equally be significantly weaker particularly if Carter-Vickers and or Jota don't stay. They'd be difficult to replace also
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we will have the biggest budget we have had in years IMO this summer.
If only we had hindsight for the final .... we coulda bid for Haaland !
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comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 19 minutes ago
Think we will have a big turnaround regardless lex mate to be honest
Obviously the funds we get to make those changes will change, but think there's plenty players that will think this final will be the pinnacle of their Rangers career...plus GVB will want to bring more of his own players in I'd have thought
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hard to say right now, dont no who might renew their deals.
Good news is there will be a good bit of money there to buy players. The momey brought in from europe is like nothing we have seen before.
As I said if we win on wed, we will take in around £90m over this year and next. £90M !!!!! and you would have to imagine that our income from other areas will increase a fair bit... shirts, merchandise, sponsorships etc will all increase a fair bit.
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I'm not sur sponsorship shirts and merchandise will be much above this year. Even if we win the Europa League I don't think its unlocking a new set of fans or anything, it'll be the same ones that bought stuff already
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comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 19 minutes ago
Think we will have a big turnaround regardless lex mate to be honest
Obviously the funds we get to make those changes will change, but think there's plenty players that will think this final will be the pinnacle of their Rangers career...plus GVB will want to bring more of his own players in I'd have thought
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hard to say right now, dont no who might renew their deals.
Good news is there will be a good bit of money there to buy players. The momey brought in from europe is like nothing we have seen before.
As I said if we win on wed, we will take in around £90m over this year and next. £90M !!!!! and you would have to imagine that our income from other areas will increase a fair bit... shirts, merchandise, sponsorships etc will all increase a fair bit.
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I'm not sur sponsorship shirts and merchandise will be much above this year. Even if we win the Europa League I don't think its unlocking a new set of fans or anything, it'll be the same ones that bought stuff already
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our populairty will increase and just playing in that supercup provides a good boost to sponsorship.
winning the europe will defo increase our reputation and popularity which increases sponsorship.
Plus like I said from the europa and champ league (again if we win europa) will mean we will have brought in 90m there or there abouts ..... we will see revenue increase to levels we have never seen before if we win it
*and we will bring out loads of Seville memorabilia if we win it
Would it be fair to say that next seasons budget greatly depends on you winning on Wednesday?
Gerrard done the same to you as Rodgers done to us. They can kiss the badge, say they love the club, but ultimately when a gig in England comes along, they will always go. Same goes for players. Unfortunately playing or managing in England will be more attractive to most players and managers, than having a title win or run in Europe here. That's my big fear for CCV, will CL football be enough to keep him?
Unless the sponsorships have heavy clauses included then I just don't see that revenue moving much at all. We're still a Scottish club in the SPFL. We're not about to return to Advocaat years. This isn't FM where we're jumping from 3.5 stars to 5 stars rep overnight
might even rename a hospitality suite after Seville??..........
We didn't lose the league in the January transfer window...our squad was good enough.
Fine margins is what lost it for us
We concede a 96th minute equaliser away to Ross County.....you get a 97th minute winner away to Ross County
Those goals dont go in.....league goes to the final day
You got the luck...we didn't
Our poor form coincided with you going on a tremendous unbeaten run..and fair play to yous for it....but let's not rewrite history
Our squad was good enough to win the league, we didn't need a huge January transfer window, we've made it to the Europa League final despite not even having our first choice striker for the quarters or the semis ffs
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might even rename a hospitality suite after Seville??..........
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Maybe the hotel idea could be revived? ....the Seville Orange Lodge?
In fairness I don't think it was as much complacency last year as just having to finally level up. Winning the league and stopping 10 was the objective from when the board came in, once that happened we couldn't keep throwing cash at a domestic title. Our financial situation has been precarious for a while and needed to level out. Remember as well that last summer there was still no guarantee of when fans would be back in full so spending loads of cash would have been silly.
The Malmo defeat probably changed things a little in terms of budget, it's the difference of £20m or so in to the club along with matchday revenue and commercial partnerships. We didn't get that and therefore didn't get to strengthen maybe a couple of positions the way we would like.
Another part of the problem is how much does it cost to strengthen the current team? We have had a great few years in recruitment terms but taking it up a level would have cost millions. How much to find better individuals than we had in place, it wouldn't be cheap.
That being said reaching a European final makes the season a success. The whole reason that winning the league was important this year was for CL money next year. We have already banked more from our Euro run this year than the CL would have brought in making the Malmo disappointment financially at least irrelevant. A win on Wednesday would end up ironically generating more for us than the league would. I've seen us win several league titles in my lifetime and I'll likely see us win several more. If you gave me the choice at the start of a title race we narrowly missed out on and a European & Scottish cup final I'd have been fairly happy with that, particularly having changed Manager halfway.
comment by Miller - Bounce Game Champion (U9310)
posted 10 minutes ago
Rangers will be significantly weaker again next year regardless of the Champions League situation.
I'm not sure how you arrive at this. Its definitely a possibility but I don't see it as a sure thing. Celtic could equally be significantly weaker particularly if Carter-Vickers and or Jota don't stay. They'd be difficult to replace also
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I think it's pretty clear that Rangers will be weaker.
McGregor has deteriorated massively since last season. If he stays he'll be worse. If he goes, I'm not sure where you get a goalkeeper of that quality (although the lad at Dundee United might work).
Steven Davis is done. A top player in his day and he wouldn't have been at Rangers apart form his connection with the club.
A few others out of contract and anyone who had decided to leave will leave regardless of the Europa League outcome.
The fact that none of the Paterson money was spent in January when it was clearly needed suggests to me that the Rangers board may have decided that a period of being financially prudent might be required.
Some good youngsters coming through but I'm not sure they'll be ready for next season.
Celtic will spend with Champions League money already secure.
comment by the blue professor (U1948)
posted 0 seconds ago
"all so unnecessary ive been a bluenose for about 60 years "
Couldn't agree more.
I think it's pretty clear that Rangers will be weaker.
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So we are losing a couple of players who have been one the wane and replacing them.
I get they have been class but this season Davis has been out of the picture for long spells and McGregors contribution has been patchy. He has deffo cost us points in the league but then stepped up in Europe when it really mattered.
Its really difficult to speculate either way. I would have said we would be much much weaker without Morleos and Roofe yet other players have stepped up and we have still scored plenty of goals in the last month.
Gio will no doubt tap into the Dutch market and there will be some rough diamonds in there for sure.
I think we will still have the strong spine of a team and it is probably due freshening up so it might not all be bad.
Next year will be interesting. Celtic effectively need to spend about £17m just to stand still if figures for CCV and Jota are to be believed.
Rangers will lose a few, Goldson will be the biggest loss. If we win on Wednesday though I can see a few signing on for an extra year or two for a crack at guaranteed CL. If not then we would clearly have to sell.
However Gio has shown some more reassuring signs in the last month or so. Worth remembering how many players we have out and yet he's taken us to a cup final domestically and a European final as well as a very capable performance at Parkhead in the league. We have done that effectively without a striker. That gives me some confidence that regardless of who we lose there will be an ability to find a way to work with what he has. If he can get us to a European final with Aribo, Sakala and Wright up front there are some reassuring signs.
"The fact that none of the Paterson money was spent in January when it was clearly needed suggests to me that the Rangers board may have decided that a period of being financially prudent might be required."
There you go again....insisting that we needed money spent in January
We are Europa League finalists mate
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posted on 12/5/22
In order to do any of this....we need to sell players
For me the board had a decision to make, back Gerrard via letting him keep the players he had that won the league title so successfully and add depth to that squad.....or sell first team players and give him the funds to replace those guys
They chose the first option...and in all honesty, given the squad we have has reached the Europa League final...it was more than good enough to win the league too....it hasn't happened due to our usual drop in form after Xmas rearing it's ugly head yet again.
As for Gerrard, I'd like to believe he left because he wasn't backed, that's the story he's giving....I'm not buying that though
We made a cvnt of the Malmö tie meaning Champions League football was gone...something that was probably used as an incentive to keep the squad and the manager at the club over the summer in the first place....so when that was gone, players heads went down and for me Gerrard had all but left other than in body, he most definitely wanted away after that point...no blame for that lies at the door of the board for me
posted on 12/5/22
Just to make another point
It was reported that Gerrard and the board had a disagreement because Gerrard wanted to blow the entire transfer budget that was available to him....on Kevin Nisbet from Hibs, and the board refused
You tell me mate....do you really think getting Nisbet in the door for a stupidly high fee would have swung the league for us?
I don't...so again, board made the right call for me in that instance, if that's why Gerrard took the huff and left then fine....as said, don't buy it, he fcked off coz we made an erse of qualifying for the Champions League
posted on 12/5/22
In defence of the board, they'd invested a fair amount into the playing squad for his first 3 years. Eventually he had to accept that the spending would dial down. And Celtic despite spending I think were at a profit net spend or close to break even.
It'll be a challenge to get back on top but I have some confidence it won't be impossible even with Celtic having access to CL money.
Key for me is GK to replace McGregor and CB to replace Goldson as I'm not sure Souttar has been brought in to be first pick every week or that he should be relied on to be that. Other moves seem dependent on who else moves on. Davis I think is out, Ramsey and Diallo almost certainly return to parent clubs.
Kamara, Aribo, Kent and Morelos replacements if they go will be challenging though. I think we are probably looking at needing to spend pretty much whatever comes in to get back.
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Think we will have a big turnaround regardless lex mate to be honest
Obviously the funds we get to make those changes will change, but think there's plenty players that will think this final will be the pinnacle of their Rangers career...plus GVB will want to bring more of his own players in I'd have thought
posted on 12/5/22
cant spend the money we dont have. Gerrard was given a budget to build the squad he did. like Stevie said in order to get funds this year we would have either had to qualify for champ league or sell players. Neither happened so no money was spent.
Next year is a completely different scenario. if we win on wed the money we bring in between this season and next is insane.
from europe if we win on wed we will bring in about 90m over the two years which for us is just mind boggling
posted on 12/5/22
Rangers lost the league in the January transfer window which was, frankly, a joke.
Despite apparently getting a significant sum of money for Patterson, none of it went to strengthen the team and the rest is history.
Celtic will likely be slightly better again next season but also have the disadvantage that the coaches in the league have had a full season to figure them out.
Rangers will be significantly weaker again next year regardless of the Champions League situation.
Celtic to make it two in a row with a bit to spare,
posted on 12/5/22
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 19 minutes ago
Think we will have a big turnaround regardless lex mate to be honest
Obviously the funds we get to make those changes will change, but think there's plenty players that will think this final will be the pinnacle of their Rangers career...plus GVB will want to bring more of his own players in I'd have thought
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hard to say right now, dont no who might renew their deals.
Good news is there will be a good bit of money there to buy players. The momey brought in from europe is like nothing we have seen before.
As I said if we win on wed, we will take in around £90m over this year and next. £90M !!!!! and you would have to imagine that our income from other areas will increase a fair bit... shirts, merchandise, sponsorships etc will all increase a fair bit.
posted on 12/5/22
Rangers will be significantly weaker again next year regardless of the Champions League situation.
I'm not sure how you arrive at this. Its definitely a possibility but I don't see it as a sure thing. Celtic could equally be significantly weaker particularly if Carter-Vickers and or Jota don't stay. They'd be difficult to replace also
posted on 12/5/22
comment by Miller - Bounce Game Champion (U9310)
posted 0 seconds ago
Rangers will be significantly weaker again next year regardless of the Champions League situation.
I'm not sure how you arrive at this. Its definitely a possibility but I don't see it as a sure thing. Celtic could equally be significantly weaker particularly if Carter-Vickers and or Jota don't stay. They'd be difficult to replace also
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we will have the biggest budget we have had in years IMO this summer.
posted on 12/5/22
If only we had hindsight for the final .... we coulda bid for Haaland !
posted on 12/5/22
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 19 minutes ago
Think we will have a big turnaround regardless lex mate to be honest
Obviously the funds we get to make those changes will change, but think there's plenty players that will think this final will be the pinnacle of their Rangers career...plus GVB will want to bring more of his own players in I'd have thought
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hard to say right now, dont no who might renew their deals.
Good news is there will be a good bit of money there to buy players. The momey brought in from europe is like nothing we have seen before.
As I said if we win on wed, we will take in around £90m over this year and next. £90M !!!!! and you would have to imagine that our income from other areas will increase a fair bit... shirts, merchandise, sponsorships etc will all increase a fair bit.
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I'm not sur sponsorship shirts and merchandise will be much above this year. Even if we win the Europa League I don't think its unlocking a new set of fans or anything, it'll be the same ones that bought stuff already
posted on 12/5/22
comment by Miller - Bounce Game Champion (U9310)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 19 minutes ago
Think we will have a big turnaround regardless lex mate to be honest
Obviously the funds we get to make those changes will change, but think there's plenty players that will think this final will be the pinnacle of their Rangers career...plus GVB will want to bring more of his own players in I'd have thought
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hard to say right now, dont no who might renew their deals.
Good news is there will be a good bit of money there to buy players. The momey brought in from europe is like nothing we have seen before.
As I said if we win on wed, we will take in around £90m over this year and next. £90M !!!!! and you would have to imagine that our income from other areas will increase a fair bit... shirts, merchandise, sponsorships etc will all increase a fair bit.
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I'm not sur sponsorship shirts and merchandise will be much above this year. Even if we win the Europa League I don't think its unlocking a new set of fans or anything, it'll be the same ones that bought stuff already
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our populairty will increase and just playing in that supercup provides a good boost to sponsorship.
winning the europe will defo increase our reputation and popularity which increases sponsorship.
Plus like I said from the europa and champ league (again if we win europa) will mean we will have brought in 90m there or there abouts ..... we will see revenue increase to levels we have never seen before if we win it
posted on 12/5/22
*and we will bring out loads of Seville memorabilia if we win it
posted on 12/5/22
Would it be fair to say that next seasons budget greatly depends on you winning on Wednesday?
Gerrard done the same to you as Rodgers done to us. They can kiss the badge, say they love the club, but ultimately when a gig in England comes along, they will always go. Same goes for players. Unfortunately playing or managing in England will be more attractive to most players and managers, than having a title win or run in Europe here. That's my big fear for CCV, will CL football be enough to keep him?
posted on 12/5/22
Unless the sponsorships have heavy clauses included then I just don't see that revenue moving much at all. We're still a Scottish club in the SPFL. We're not about to return to Advocaat years. This isn't FM where we're jumping from 3.5 stars to 5 stars rep overnight
posted on 12/5/22
might even rename a hospitality suite after Seville??..........
posted on 12/5/22
We didn't lose the league in the January transfer window...our squad was good enough.
Fine margins is what lost it for us
We concede a 96th minute equaliser away to Ross County.....you get a 97th minute winner away to Ross County
Those goals dont go in.....league goes to the final day
You got the luck...we didn't
Our poor form coincided with you going on a tremendous unbeaten run..and fair play to yous for it....but let's not rewrite history
Our squad was good enough to win the league, we didn't need a huge January transfer window, we've made it to the Europa League final despite not even having our first choice striker for the quarters or the semis ffs
posted on 12/5/22
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 minutes ago
might even rename a hospitality suite after Seville??..........
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Maybe the hotel idea could be revived? ....the Seville Orange Lodge?
posted on 12/5/22
In fairness I don't think it was as much complacency last year as just having to finally level up. Winning the league and stopping 10 was the objective from when the board came in, once that happened we couldn't keep throwing cash at a domestic title. Our financial situation has been precarious for a while and needed to level out. Remember as well that last summer there was still no guarantee of when fans would be back in full so spending loads of cash would have been silly.
The Malmo defeat probably changed things a little in terms of budget, it's the difference of £20m or so in to the club along with matchday revenue and commercial partnerships. We didn't get that and therefore didn't get to strengthen maybe a couple of positions the way we would like.
Another part of the problem is how much does it cost to strengthen the current team? We have had a great few years in recruitment terms but taking it up a level would have cost millions. How much to find better individuals than we had in place, it wouldn't be cheap.
That being said reaching a European final makes the season a success. The whole reason that winning the league was important this year was for CL money next year. We have already banked more from our Euro run this year than the CL would have brought in making the Malmo disappointment financially at least irrelevant. A win on Wednesday would end up ironically generating more for us than the league would. I've seen us win several league titles in my lifetime and I'll likely see us win several more. If you gave me the choice at the start of a title race we narrowly missed out on and a European & Scottish cup final I'd have been fairly happy with that, particularly having changed Manager halfway.
posted on 12/5/22
comment by Miller - Bounce Game Champion (U9310)
posted 10 minutes ago
Rangers will be significantly weaker again next year regardless of the Champions League situation.
I'm not sure how you arrive at this. Its definitely a possibility but I don't see it as a sure thing. Celtic could equally be significantly weaker particularly if Carter-Vickers and or Jota don't stay. They'd be difficult to replace also
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I think it's pretty clear that Rangers will be weaker.
McGregor has deteriorated massively since last season. If he stays he'll be worse. If he goes, I'm not sure where you get a goalkeeper of that quality (although the lad at Dundee United might work).
Steven Davis is done. A top player in his day and he wouldn't have been at Rangers apart form his connection with the club.
A few others out of contract and anyone who had decided to leave will leave regardless of the Europa League outcome.
The fact that none of the Paterson money was spent in January when it was clearly needed suggests to me that the Rangers board may have decided that a period of being financially prudent might be required.
Some good youngsters coming through but I'm not sure they'll be ready for next season.
Celtic will spend with Champions League money already secure.
posted on 12/5/22
comment by the blue professor (U1948)
posted 0 seconds ago
"all so unnecessary ive been a bluenose for about 60 years "
Couldn't agree more.
posted on 12/5/22
I think it's pretty clear that Rangers will be weaker.
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So we are losing a couple of players who have been one the wane and replacing them.
I get they have been class but this season Davis has been out of the picture for long spells and McGregors contribution has been patchy. He has deffo cost us points in the league but then stepped up in Europe when it really mattered.
Its really difficult to speculate either way. I would have said we would be much much weaker without Morleos and Roofe yet other players have stepped up and we have still scored plenty of goals in the last month.
Gio will no doubt tap into the Dutch market and there will be some rough diamonds in there for sure.
I think we will still have the strong spine of a team and it is probably due freshening up so it might not all be bad.
posted on 12/5/22
Next year will be interesting. Celtic effectively need to spend about £17m just to stand still if figures for CCV and Jota are to be believed.
Rangers will lose a few, Goldson will be the biggest loss. If we win on Wednesday though I can see a few signing on for an extra year or two for a crack at guaranteed CL. If not then we would clearly have to sell.
However Gio has shown some more reassuring signs in the last month or so. Worth remembering how many players we have out and yet he's taken us to a cup final domestically and a European final as well as a very capable performance at Parkhead in the league. We have done that effectively without a striker. That gives me some confidence that regardless of who we lose there will be an ability to find a way to work with what he has. If he can get us to a European final with Aribo, Sakala and Wright up front there are some reassuring signs.
posted on 12/5/22
"The fact that none of the Paterson money was spent in January when it was clearly needed suggests to me that the Rangers board may have decided that a period of being financially prudent might be required."
There you go again....insisting that we needed money spent in January
We are Europa League finalists mate
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