For the record if the World Cup was taken somewhere where Muslims were lawfully persecuted by the Government then I'd be arguing against that too. even though I'm not religious I defend the right of others to practice it if they so wish as long as it doesn't hurt others.

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OP went quiet as soon as they were asked for their views on homosexuality
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Fancy a bum, big fella?

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Quick read and the usual idiots are at it. So high up their own backside, it is bewildering how the Western World think they can dictate and tell others what to do.

Qatar won the bid. Move on.
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You're better than this Scholay. It's not about the Western world dictating. It's about FIFA taking the World Cup somewhere where their own values aren't met.
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The point is due to their corruption it is now there. What do you want me to do?? The way I live I go to someone's country I respect their laws and way of life. It has served me well so far. I don't go to other folks countries telling them what to do and what not to do.
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I don't think anyone is suggesting going to someone else's country and telling them what to do and what not to do...
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Yeh, he's done that thing again....
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Of course!! You would love to run with that.
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Well you have though.
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No I have not!! This op opens up a lot with regards to what is going on and this world cup. I did not say ' people on this thread are doing this.' The western world however are indeed doing this which I have explained you prime weasel.
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Ooooooh. Bitchy today huh? You sound like you need a good bumming.

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Hard to imagine being offended by an act between two consenting adults that has absolutely no bearing on your own existence.

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I don’t why people use the animal example? There are also animals that engage in cannibalism, infanticide, encest, sexual acts with younger animals etc. would you agree to such behaviours?
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Sexual acts with younger animals?
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I think he's talking about Barry's activities.

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Scholay it’s imperative to stray strong in your beliefs and convictions. To never be swayed by the extremist liberals and their agenda.
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comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
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For the record if the World Cup was taken somewhere where Muslims were lawfully persecuted by the Government then I'd be arguing against that too. even though I'm not religious I defend the right of others to practice it if they so wish as long as it doesn't hurt others.
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I believe this is the case mate because I have seen your posts here. In saying this, if a world cup were to be held at a place that says no Muslim prayers allowed, I will respect their law and stay at home. Life is too short for me to go over and fight over things like this but that's just me

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The media and companies however, try to appease the left, because of they don't the lefty mob will come after them. They are a vocal minority that like to complain a lot. There are evil things going on both on the far right and left.
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Oh yea? The Daily Mail and co are left leaning or left fearing? ok mate

Ever seen social media if a company adds a rainbow flag or shows support for, say, BLM? The cancel culture is very strong on the right.


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Many companies added those things, I didn't see any get cancelled. But by all means, give an example.

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Scholay it’s imperative to stray strong in your beliefs and convictions. To never be swayed by the extremist liberals and their agenda.
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Yes. Remain brainwashed at all times.

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Quick read and the usual idiots are at it. So high up their own backside, it is bewildering how the Western World think they can dictate and tell others what to do.

Qatar won the bid. Move on.
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You're better than this Scholay. It's not about the Western world dictating. It's about FIFA taking the World Cup somewhere where their own values aren't met.
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The point is due to their corruption it is now there. What do you want me to do?? The way I live I go to someone's country I respect their laws and way of life. It has served me well so far. I don't go to other folks countries telling them what to do and what not to do.
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I don't think anyone is suggesting going to someone else's country and telling them what to do and what not to do...
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Yeh, he's done that thing again....
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Of course!! You would love to run with that.
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Well you have though.
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No I have not!! This op opens up a lot with regards to what is going on and this world cup. I did not say ' people on this thread are doing this.' The western world however are indeed doing this which I have explained you prime weasel.
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Ooooooh. Bitchy today huh? You sound like you need a good bumming.
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What a fool this fella. Carry on.

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I don't see anyone suppressing liberal views.

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There was a post somewhere on here today where a guy was basically telling people to stop voicing opposition to homophobia in Qatar, to shut up and watch the football. I'll try and find it.

Oh, it's this exact post
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He's not an authority to cancel anyone, is he?
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What are your views on hate speech?
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The op did say he didn't hate them.
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I am asking you about your opinion on hate speech in view of your opinions on cancel culture.

Do you believe people should be free to say whatever they like, regardless of whether it might instigate hatred and ultimately violence against others?
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I don't advocate absolute free speech.

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Hard to imagine being offended by an act between two consenting adults that has absolutely no bearing on your own existence.
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Unbelievably arrogant to think that you even have the right to be offended to be honest. Who gives a flying feck? Its not for me, but who honestly cares? How insecure do you have to be to be offended by it?

What are your views on hate speech?
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The op did say he didn't hate them.
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Missed this little gem

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Scholay it’s imperative to stray strong in your beliefs and convictions. To never be swayed by the extremist liberals and their agenda.
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We are not extremist liberals. We are liberal in our view of letting people have their sexualité decided by themselves, not someone else.

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I suggest the OP read "On Liberty" by J.S. Mill to get an understanding of what motivates people to criticise the Qatari regime, and for why people of such an ethical leaning feel justified in restricting the liberty of some to protect the liberty of others.

Judging by his further comments in this thread though, I think some more rudimentary education may be required first.
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Yeah, good luck with that.

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The media and companies however, try to appease the left, because of they don't the lefty mob will come after them. They are a vocal minority that like to complain a lot. There are evil things going on both on the far right and left.
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Oh yea? The Daily Mail and co are left leaning or left fearing? ok mate

Ever seen social media if a company adds a rainbow flag or shows support for, say, BLM? The cancel culture is very strong on the right.


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Many companies added those things, I didn't see any get cancelled. But by all means, give an example.
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Ahh, you don't know what cancel culture means and just use the buzz word... Gotcha.

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Scholay it’s imperative to stray strong in your beliefs and convictions. To never be swayed by the extremist liberals and their agenda.
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Yes. Remain brainwashed at all times.
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You are an elite fool and this is why you think this.

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It does get confusing when all the bigots unite though!
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Your group is the one that gets upset over different opinions, so look in the mirror.
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Yes, I just made that very clear above... I'm tired of pretending that your views are just different to opinions
to mine... Your views are disgusting and the quicker they are consigned to history, the better (assuming you share the same views as the OP).
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He usually defends people with these kind of views. Apparently the ‘woke brigade’ are the real problem. Not the pieces of shiiiiit like him, Nohlman and the OP.
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Criticising illiberal views = censorship / cancellation.

Disseminating misinformation or proposing subjugation of minority groups = the marketplace of ideas.

It's a political movement that has absolutely no interest in free speech, only suppressing liberal discourse.
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Have you turned into Barry? You've got your comment upside down.
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There are so many examples of contemporary right-wing populism suppressing / controlling speech in the name of protecting freedom of speech.

- UK government attempting to police university lecturers and teachers in case of left-wing bias
- UK government stuffing the BBC board / oversight functions with partisan Tories.
- UK government repeatedly putting forward the rabidly anti-liberal Paul Dacre to lead OFCOM, which regulates the media.
- UK government enacting laws that drastically restrict the right to legally protest, with the subjectively defined potential to cause a nuisance sufficient to justify arrest. This week journalists filming a protest were arrested and detained, despite showing their press credentials.
- Removing books that promote tolerance from educational syllabus and libraries in the USA - and actual book burning.

These are instances of mainstream right-wing politics in power exercising real-world curbs on freedom of speech. What are the counter examples from the liberal-left?

- Hate speech laws. If you feel that the public space should be a free for all to discriminate against and urge arm to certain groups, please feel free to defend that argument.
- The 'cancellation' narrative. Generally we have a very polarised and nasty online culture, and I'm not a fan of herd pile-ons. But let's be honest that every part of the political spectrum engages in the nastiness, bullying, calls for sacking, etc. And everyone is guilty of selective outrage when one of their allies has been attacked, while ignoring it when someone they disagree with is. Moreover, I've seen lots of examples of people being justifiably critiqued, and then using the 'cancellation' narrative to deflect from the original. Sometimes these martyrs do extensive rounds in national print and TV media talking about their cancellation.
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The government have their own agenda. The media and companies however, try to appease the left, because of they don't the lefty mob will come after them. They are a vocal minority that like to complain a lot. There are evil things going on both on the far right and left.
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Just to check whether I've understood correctly:

1) Right-wing governments suppressing liberal discourse in the various ways listed isn't relevant to a discussion of whether the right or left is more censorious?

2) 'The media' (including the Mail and sister papers, Express and sister publications, the Telegraph, the Sun and Murdoch's other media interests, Fox news, a BBC stuffed with Tory oversight appointees) is homogeneously left-wing and / appeasing the Left / suppressing right-wing views.

3) A vocal left-wing minority has reduced 'the media and companies' into a state fearful self-censorship.

Anything I misunderstood?

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comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
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For the record if the World Cup was taken somewhere where Muslims were lawfully persecuted by the Government then I'd be arguing against that too. even though I'm not religious I defend the right of others to practice it if they so wish as long as it doesn't hurt others.
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I believe this is the case mate because I have seen your posts here. In saying this, if a world cup were to be held at a place that says no Muslim prayers allowed, I will respect their law and stay at home. Life is too short for me to go over and fight over things like this but that's just me
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Well the banning of prayers is highly unlikely in a civilised country

Completely agree with the OP. Sick to death with the constant bitterness from the West in relation to Qatar. Who the hell are we to preach to them how to behave? We're full of schmbags and lowlifes in this part of the world. You don't have to agree with there culture, beliefs or hospitality, but its THEIR culture and beliefs and they should be respected.

How many on here would tolerate someone from down there street knocking on your door and telling you how and when to cut your lawn, how to raise your kids, when to clean the windows, what car to drive etc.....

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What are your views on hate speech?
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The op did say he didn't hate them.
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Missed this little gem
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I swear these plums think "the left" has a big red cancel button that just removes the offending business/person/tv show from the world.

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comment by United we win (U19958)
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Scholay it’s imperative to stray strong in your beliefs and convictions. To never be swayed by the extremist liberals and their agenda.
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We are not extremist liberals. We are liberal in our view of letting people have their sexualité decided by themselves, not someone else.
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Extreme liberals.

For believing that homosexuality is natural and not because of what kids are taught in school and the internet.