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I am not the one that believes in stories made up hundreds of years ago.
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I can’t wait to see his reply to that.
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You will wait for eternity because I don't answer to stupid.
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Stupid for not believing in made up stories that are used to control people.
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It would be clueless to think every religious founder was trying to control people.
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I didn't say that any religious founder was trying to control people. Although some undoubtedly were. That doesn't alter the fact that religion is and has throughout time to control people.
Homophobia has no place in modern society. The World Cup should not be played there.
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OP went quiet as soon as they were asked for their views on homosexuality
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Fancy a bum, big fella?
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You had more at fancy
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It does get confusing when all the bigots unite though!
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Your group is the one that gets upset over different opinions, so look in the mirror.
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Yes, I just made that very clear above... I'm tired of pretending that your views are just different to opinions
to mine... Your views are disgusting and the quicker they are consigned to history, the better (assuming you share the same views as the OP).
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He usually defends people with these kind of views. Apparently the ‘woke brigade’ are the real problem. Not the pieces of shiiiiit like him, Nohlman and the OP.
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Criticising illiberal views = censorship / cancellation.
Disseminating misinformation or proposing subjugation of minority groups = the marketplace of ideas.
It's a political movement that has absolutely no interest in free speech, only suppressing liberal discourse.
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Have you turned into Barry? You've got your comment upside down.
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There are so many examples of contemporary right-wing populism suppressing / controlling speech in the name of protecting freedom of speech.
- UK government attempting to police university lecturers and teachers in case of left-wing bias
- UK government stuffing the BBC board / oversight functions with partisan Tories.
- UK government repeatedly putting forward the rabidly anti-liberal Paul Dacre to lead OFCOM, which regulates the media.
- UK government enacting laws that drastically restrict the right to legally protest, with the subjectively defined potential to cause a nuisance sufficient to justify arrest. This week journalists filming a protest were arrested and detained, despite showing their press credentials.
- Removing books that promote tolerance from educational syllabus and libraries in the USA - and actual book burning.
These are instances of mainstream right-wing politics in power exercising real-world curbs on freedom of speech. What are the counter examples from the liberal-left?
- Hate speech laws. If you feel that the public space should be a free for all to discriminate against and urge arm to certain groups, please feel free to defend that argument.
- The 'cancellation' narrative. Generally we have a very polarised and nasty online culture, and I'm not a fan of herd pile-ons. But let's be honest that every part of the political spectrum engages in the nastiness, bullying, calls for sacking, etc. And everyone is guilty of selective outrage when one of their allies has been attacked, while ignoring it when someone they disagree with is. Moreover, I've seen lots of examples of people being justifiably critiqued, and then using the 'cancellation' narrative to deflect from the original. Sometimes these martyrs do extensive rounds in national print and TV media talking about their cancellation.
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The government have their own agenda. The media and companies however, try to appease the left, because of they don't the lefty mob will come after them. They are a vocal minority that like to complain a lot. There are evil things going on both on the far right and left.
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Just to check whether I've understood correctly:
1) Right-wing governments suppressing liberal discourse in the various ways listed isn't relevant to a discussion of whether the right or left is more censorious?
2) 'The media' (including the Mail and sister papers, Express and sister publications, the Telegraph, the Sun and Murdoch's other media interests, Fox news, a BBC stuffed with Tory oversight appointees) is homogeneously left-wing and / appeasing the Left / suppressing right-wing views.
3) A vocal left-wing minority has reduced 'the media and companies' into a state fearful self-censorship.
Anything I misunderstood?
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1) If that's what's happening, it would be relevant.
2) There are both left and right publications. The BBC are still on the left though.
3) I think they force the lefty media to go more to the far left, and companies have to bow to them or lose business.
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You write this and yet you still deny reading the Daily Mail.
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Someone gave me a pile of Daily Mails for my wood burner...just saying
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posted 26 seconds ago
1) If that's what's happening, it would be relevant.
2) There are both left and right publications. The BBC are still on the left though.
3) I think they force the lefty media to go more to the far left, and companies have to bow to them or lose business.
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1) Are there any of the things I listed that you dispute? All have been widely reported.
2) There are many more right-wing mainstream media publications than left.
The BBC is not left-wing. Does it advocate for public ownership and higher taxes? Does it de-platform voices from the Right? Tory politicians have had significantly more minutes of air-time than opposition MPs over the last decade. Nigel Farage has had a huge amount of BBC exposure over a period of time when his various parties have had no Westminster representation. Compare that with the rare and fleeting appearances of Green party spokespeople. BBC news programs regularly interview hard-right pressure groups that are known to be very opaque about their funding, while introducing them as independent experts and never mentioning they are lobbyists. It would be very easy for the BBC to slant its coverage in the left's favour by correcting some of the above, and justifying it in terms of balance and transparency. If it is a fundamentally left-wing organisation, why wouldn't it do so?
Broadcast media in general is very conscious about being perceived to be neutral, and nervous of accusations of bias. In my view, the more legitimate criticism is that BBC and other public service broadcasters are very timid about reporting objective facts and being willing to point out demonstrable lies. Instead it becomes "X says vs Y says" even if X is clearly lying.
3) It's incredible the power that this ferocious liberal minority wields.
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comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - It's Beekers! (U2958)
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It does get confusing when all the bigots unite though!
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Your group is the one that gets upset over different opinions, so look in the mirror.
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Yes, I just made that very clear above... I'm tired of pretending that your views are just different to opinions
to mine... Your views are disgusting and the quicker they are consigned to history, the better (assuming you share the same views as the OP).
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He usually defends people with these kind of views. Apparently the ‘woke brigade’ are the real problem. Not the pieces of shiiiiit like him, Nohlman and the OP.
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Criticising illiberal views = censorship / cancellation.
Disseminating misinformation or proposing subjugation of minority groups = the marketplace of ideas.
It's a political movement that has absolutely no interest in free speech, only suppressing liberal discourse.
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Have you turned into Barry? You've got your comment upside down.
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There are so many examples of contemporary right-wing populism suppressing / controlling speech in the name of protecting freedom of speech.
- UK government attempting to police university lecturers and teachers in case of left-wing bias
- UK government stuffing the BBC board / oversight functions with partisan Tories.
- UK government repeatedly putting forward the rabidly anti-liberal Paul Dacre to lead OFCOM, which regulates the media.
- UK government enacting laws that drastically restrict the right to legally protest, with the subjectively defined potential to cause a nuisance sufficient to justify arrest. This week journalists filming a protest were arrested and detained, despite showing their press credentials.
- Removing books that promote tolerance from educational syllabus and libraries in the USA - and actual book burning.
These are instances of mainstream right-wing politics in power exercising real-world curbs on freedom of speech. What are the counter examples from the liberal-left?
- Hate speech laws. If you feel that the public space should be a free for all to discriminate against and urge arm to certain groups, please feel free to defend that argument.
- The 'cancellation' narrative. Generally we have a very polarised and nasty online culture, and I'm not a fan of herd pile-ons. But let's be honest that every part of the political spectrum engages in the nastiness, bullying, calls for sacking, etc. And everyone is guilty of selective outrage when one of their allies has been attacked, while ignoring it when someone they disagree with is. Moreover, I've seen lots of examples of people being justifiably critiqued, and then using the 'cancellation' narrative to deflect from the original. Sometimes these martyrs do extensive rounds in national print and TV media talking about their cancellation.
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The government have their own agenda. The media and companies however, try to appease the left, because of they don't the lefty mob will come after them. They are a vocal minority that like to complain a lot. There are evil things going on both on the far right and left.
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Just to check whether I've understood correctly:
1) Right-wing governments suppressing liberal discourse in the various ways listed isn't relevant to a discussion of whether the right or left is more censorious?
2) 'The media' (including the Mail and sister papers, Express and sister publications, the Telegraph, the Sun and Murdoch's other media interests, Fox news, a BBC stuffed with Tory oversight appointees) is homogeneously left-wing and / appeasing the Left / suppressing right-wing views.
3) A vocal left-wing minority has reduced 'the media and companies' into a state fearful self-censorship.
Anything I misunderstood?
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1) If that's what's happening, it would be relevant.
2) There are both left and right publications. The BBC are still on the left though.
3) I think they force the lefty media to go more to the far left, and companies have to bow to them or lose business.
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You write this and yet you still deny reading the Daily Mail.
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I think for myself, you should try it. Nothing good comes from following the crowd.
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comment by Shaun M - Livin da vi la Roca (U9955)
posted 2 minutes ago
Completely agree with the OP. Sick to death with the constant bitterness from the West in relation to Qatar. Who the hell are we to preach to them how to behave? We're full of schmbags and lowlifes in this part of the world. You don't have to agree with there culture, beliefs or hospitality, but its THEIR culture and beliefs and they should be respected.
How many on here would tolerate someone from down there street knocking on your door and telling you how and when to cut your lawn, how to raise your kids, when to clean the windows, what car to drive etc.....
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Am I the only one that suspects every post like this is actually Barry?
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Yeh, as soon as I started reading it I thought it was Barry. He must have multiple accounts.
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It just shows the worrying trend of so many of these idiots reaching the level of parody.
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I don't know how the Onion is still in business these days
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
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comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
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I am not the one that believes in stories made up hundreds of years ago.
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I can’t wait to see his reply to that.
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You will wait for eternity because I don't answer to stupid.
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Stupid for not believing in made up stories that are used to control people.
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It would be clueless to think every religious founder was trying to control people.
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I didn't say that any religious founder was trying to control people. Although some undoubtedly were. That doesn't alter the fact that religion is and has throughout time to control people.
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You could say the same about ideology—let's see you reject that.
comment by Yorkshire Red (U22022)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
I'd like to see you gay boys come to Qatar and try your disgusting practices. You'll be sent straight to jail.
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I'd like to see a bigoted ¢unt like you spout your $hit down the Gay Village in Montreal.
I think for myself, you should try it. Nothing good comes from following the crowd.
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It's uncanny how your opinions so precisely echo the most common tropes of right-wing discourse.
comment by Culèr: The Evolving Brand ✅ (U9489)
posted 4 minutes ago
Homophobia has no place in modern society. The World Cup should not be played there.
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You should have sent them a bigger bribe then.
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posted 24 minutes ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 7 minutes ago
Scholay - agreed. I believe it’s imperative for Muslims to leave the lands of non Muslims. It’s becoming a necessity. In fact I’d argue we are on the line of obligatory here tbh.
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Considering emigrating UWW?
Finally got tired of people actively and vocally supporting your freedom of expression, freedom of speech, and right to choose which religion you follow and practise?
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If you call emigrating moving back in with mummy and daddy
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 48 minutes ago
I don’t why people use the animal example? There are also animals that engage in cannibalism, infanticide, encest, sexual acts with younger animals etc. would you agree to such behaviours?
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The difference, if you bothered to stop & think about it for 3 seconds, if that to engage in the bahvioirs you’ve listed would be to cause harm to others & create victims.
Homosexuality does not cause victims. It harms no one except for pea brained bigots & religious nuts.
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comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
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I am not the one that believes in stories made up hundreds of years ago.
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I can’t wait to see his reply to that.
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You will wait for eternity because I don't answer to stupid.
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Stupid for not believing in made up stories that are used to control people.
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It would be clueless to think every religious founder was trying to control people.
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I didn't say that any religious founder was trying to control people. Although some undoubtedly were. That doesn't alter the fact that religion is and has throughout time to control people.
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You could say the same about ideology—let's see you reject that.
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Which ideology?
I think for myself, you should try it. Nothing good comes from following the crowd.
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All your arguments come from your religion and the Daily Mail.
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I think for myself, you should try it. Nothing good comes from following the crowd.
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Ah, you're one of the 'I do my own research' idiots.
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comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
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comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 7 minutes ago
Scholay - agreed. I believe it’s imperative for Muslims to leave the lands of non Muslims. It’s becoming a necessity. In fact I’d argue we are on the line of obligatory here tbh.
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Considering emigrating UWW?
Finally got tired of people actively and vocally supporting your freedom of expression, freedom of speech, and right to choose which religion you follow and practise?
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If you call emigrating moving back in with mummy and daddy
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Espouses individualist bootstrap libertarianism whilst being absolutely petrified of freedom and choice
comment by Clogfack (U1250)
posted 17 minutes ago
Here is the thing. According to a UK investigation 6500 workers died building the stadiums. According to Quatar 3 people died. If weren't such a serious topic it would be comedy gold.
How can you defend this OP?
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To be fair, I think that number has been debunked.
It's believed to be in fact dozens rather than thousands of south Asian workers who died from heat exposure, exhaustion and horrific falls during the construction of the WC stadiums.
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Shaun M - Livin da vi la Roca (U9955)
posted 2 minutes ago
Completely agree with the OP. Sick to death with the constant bitterness from the West in relation to Qatar. Who the hell are we to preach to them how to behave? We're full of schmbags and lowlifes in this part of the world. You don't have to agree with there culture, beliefs or hospitality, but its THEIR culture and beliefs and they should be respected.
How many on here would tolerate someone from down there street knocking on your door and telling you how and when to cut your lawn, how to raise your kids, when to clean the windows, what car to drive etc.....
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Am I the only one that suspects every post like this is actually Barry?
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Hey OP
Joke for you
You can always tell a Yorkshireman.....
but you can't tell 'im much
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 50 minutes ago
Scholay it’s imperative to stray strong in your beliefs and convictions. To never be swayed by the extremist liberals and their agenda.
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i agree with you lad
admirable morals in the face of the degeneracy neo-liberalism has given western society
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posted 3 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 26 seconds ago
1) If that's what's happening, it would be relevant.
2) There are both left and right publications. The BBC are still on the left though.
3) I think they force the lefty media to go more to the far left, and companies have to bow to them or lose business.
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1) Are there any of the things I listed that you dispute? All have been widely reported.
2) There are many more right-wing mainstream media publications than left.
The BBC is not left-wing. Does it advocate for public ownership and higher taxes? Does it de-platform voices from the Right? Tory politicians have had significantly more minutes of air-time than opposition MPs over the last decade. Nigel Farage has had a huge amount of BBC exposure over a period of time when his various parties have had no Westminster representation. Compare that with the rare and fleeting appearances of Green party spokespeople. BBC news programs regularly interview hard-right pressure groups that are known to be very opaque about their funding, while introducing them as independent experts and never mentioning they are lobbyists. It would be very easy for the BBC to slant its coverage in the left's favour by correcting some of the above, and justifying it in terms of balance and transparency. If it is a fundamentally left-wing organisation, why wouldn't it do so?
Broadcast media in general is very conscious about being perceived to be neutral, and nervous of accusations of bias. In my view, the more legitimate criticism is that BBC and other public service broadcasters are very timid about reporting objective facts and being willing to point out demonstrable lies. Instead it becomes "X says vs Y says" even if X is clearly lying.
3) It's incredible the power that this ferocious liberal minority wields.
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1) I'm not aware of the university example you gave.
2) I think the BBC is scared of losing its funding, and lobbying groups use that against them. I don't watch much TV anymore, so I'm not aware of who is invited on. Their website has a liberal agenda, but at the same time they support Israel. They're trying to please everyone I guess.
3) Social media has given them that power. Without it, society would be a different place.
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
I am not the one that believes in stories made up hundreds of years ago.
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I can’t wait to see his reply to that.
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You will wait for eternity because I don't answer to stupid.
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Stupid for not believing in made up stories that are used to control people.
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It would be clueless to think every religious founder was trying to control people.
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I didn't say that any religious founder was trying to control people. Although some undoubtedly were. That doesn't alter the fact that religion is and has throughout time to control people.
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You could say the same about ideology—let's see you reject that.
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Which ideology?
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Any ideology. It's literally about politics and controlling people.
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
Scholay - they are hypocrites. There not too distant ancestors and even current generation have been going to nations forcing their “values” through endless murder under the flag of freedom.
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Yep. And forcing their religions in other people. Just like Islam, innit?
comment by Yorkshire Red (U22022)
posted 2 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 12 minutes ago
OP went quiet as soon as they were asked for their views on homosexuality
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Yes. I abhore homosexuality.
I think the concept is disgusting and against nature. I don't believe people are born as homosexuals. They choose to be homosexual after being brain washed by the content they see online or taught in schools.
Men have an inclination towards women and women have an inclination towards men. Simple. There's no other way about it. This is not a bigoted concept, it's not backwards thinking, or extremism or hate of any kind.
If homosexuality became prevalent how would our generations continue?
If I came across a person who practiced homosexuality and I came to know about it, I wouldn't have even the slightest of hatred or malice towards the person. There would be a feeling of sympathy towards that person because of the path he/she has adopted.
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Jesus f-cking wept. That second paragraph 😬
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posted on 9/11/22
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
I am not the one that believes in stories made up hundreds of years ago.
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I can’t wait to see his reply to that.
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You will wait for eternity because I don't answer to stupid.
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Stupid for not believing in made up stories that are used to control people.
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It would be clueless to think every religious founder was trying to control people.
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I didn't say that any religious founder was trying to control people. Although some undoubtedly were. That doesn't alter the fact that religion is and has throughout time to control people.
posted on 9/11/22
Homophobia has no place in modern society. The World Cup should not be played there.
posted on 9/11/22
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
OP went quiet as soon as they were asked for their views on homosexuality
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Fancy a bum, big fella?
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You had more at fancy
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posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - It's Beekers! (U2958)
posted 2 minutes ago
It does get confusing when all the bigots unite though!
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Your group is the one that gets upset over different opinions, so look in the mirror.
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Yes, I just made that very clear above... I'm tired of pretending that your views are just different to opinions
to mine... Your views are disgusting and the quicker they are consigned to history, the better (assuming you share the same views as the OP).
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He usually defends people with these kind of views. Apparently the ‘woke brigade’ are the real problem. Not the pieces of shiiiiit like him, Nohlman and the OP.
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Criticising illiberal views = censorship / cancellation.
Disseminating misinformation or proposing subjugation of minority groups = the marketplace of ideas.
It's a political movement that has absolutely no interest in free speech, only suppressing liberal discourse.
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Have you turned into Barry? You've got your comment upside down.
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There are so many examples of contemporary right-wing populism suppressing / controlling speech in the name of protecting freedom of speech.
- UK government attempting to police university lecturers and teachers in case of left-wing bias
- UK government stuffing the BBC board / oversight functions with partisan Tories.
- UK government repeatedly putting forward the rabidly anti-liberal Paul Dacre to lead OFCOM, which regulates the media.
- UK government enacting laws that drastically restrict the right to legally protest, with the subjectively defined potential to cause a nuisance sufficient to justify arrest. This week journalists filming a protest were arrested and detained, despite showing their press credentials.
- Removing books that promote tolerance from educational syllabus and libraries in the USA - and actual book burning.
These are instances of mainstream right-wing politics in power exercising real-world curbs on freedom of speech. What are the counter examples from the liberal-left?
- Hate speech laws. If you feel that the public space should be a free for all to discriminate against and urge arm to certain groups, please feel free to defend that argument.
- The 'cancellation' narrative. Generally we have a very polarised and nasty online culture, and I'm not a fan of herd pile-ons. But let's be honest that every part of the political spectrum engages in the nastiness, bullying, calls for sacking, etc. And everyone is guilty of selective outrage when one of their allies has been attacked, while ignoring it when someone they disagree with is. Moreover, I've seen lots of examples of people being justifiably critiqued, and then using the 'cancellation' narrative to deflect from the original. Sometimes these martyrs do extensive rounds in national print and TV media talking about their cancellation.
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The government have their own agenda. The media and companies however, try to appease the left, because of they don't the lefty mob will come after them. They are a vocal minority that like to complain a lot. There are evil things going on both on the far right and left.
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Just to check whether I've understood correctly:
1) Right-wing governments suppressing liberal discourse in the various ways listed isn't relevant to a discussion of whether the right or left is more censorious?
2) 'The media' (including the Mail and sister papers, Express and sister publications, the Telegraph, the Sun and Murdoch's other media interests, Fox news, a BBC stuffed with Tory oversight appointees) is homogeneously left-wing and / appeasing the Left / suppressing right-wing views.
3) A vocal left-wing minority has reduced 'the media and companies' into a state fearful self-censorship.
Anything I misunderstood?
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1) If that's what's happening, it would be relevant.
2) There are both left and right publications. The BBC are still on the left though.
3) I think they force the lefty media to go more to the far left, and companies have to bow to them or lose business.
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You write this and yet you still deny reading the Daily Mail.
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Someone gave me a pile of Daily Mails for my wood burner...just saying
posted on 9/11/22
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 26 seconds ago
1) If that's what's happening, it would be relevant.
2) There are both left and right publications. The BBC are still on the left though.
3) I think they force the lefty media to go more to the far left, and companies have to bow to them or lose business.
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1) Are there any of the things I listed that you dispute? All have been widely reported.
2) There are many more right-wing mainstream media publications than left.
The BBC is not left-wing. Does it advocate for public ownership and higher taxes? Does it de-platform voices from the Right? Tory politicians have had significantly more minutes of air-time than opposition MPs over the last decade. Nigel Farage has had a huge amount of BBC exposure over a period of time when his various parties have had no Westminster representation. Compare that with the rare and fleeting appearances of Green party spokespeople. BBC news programs regularly interview hard-right pressure groups that are known to be very opaque about their funding, while introducing them as independent experts and never mentioning they are lobbyists. It would be very easy for the BBC to slant its coverage in the left's favour by correcting some of the above, and justifying it in terms of balance and transparency. If it is a fundamentally left-wing organisation, why wouldn't it do so?
Broadcast media in general is very conscious about being perceived to be neutral, and nervous of accusations of bias. In my view, the more legitimate criticism is that BBC and other public service broadcasters are very timid about reporting objective facts and being willing to point out demonstrable lies. Instead it becomes "X says vs Y says" even if X is clearly lying.
3) It's incredible the power that this ferocious liberal minority wields.
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comment by N2 (U22280)
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comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - It's Beekers! (U2958)
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It does get confusing when all the bigots unite though!
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Your group is the one that gets upset over different opinions, so look in the mirror.
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Yes, I just made that very clear above... I'm tired of pretending that your views are just different to opinions
to mine... Your views are disgusting and the quicker they are consigned to history, the better (assuming you share the same views as the OP).
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He usually defends people with these kind of views. Apparently the ‘woke brigade’ are the real problem. Not the pieces of shiiiiit like him, Nohlman and the OP.
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Criticising illiberal views = censorship / cancellation.
Disseminating misinformation or proposing subjugation of minority groups = the marketplace of ideas.
It's a political movement that has absolutely no interest in free speech, only suppressing liberal discourse.
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Have you turned into Barry? You've got your comment upside down.
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There are so many examples of contemporary right-wing populism suppressing / controlling speech in the name of protecting freedom of speech.
- UK government attempting to police university lecturers and teachers in case of left-wing bias
- UK government stuffing the BBC board / oversight functions with partisan Tories.
- UK government repeatedly putting forward the rabidly anti-liberal Paul Dacre to lead OFCOM, which regulates the media.
- UK government enacting laws that drastically restrict the right to legally protest, with the subjectively defined potential to cause a nuisance sufficient to justify arrest. This week journalists filming a protest were arrested and detained, despite showing their press credentials.
- Removing books that promote tolerance from educational syllabus and libraries in the USA - and actual book burning.
These are instances of mainstream right-wing politics in power exercising real-world curbs on freedom of speech. What are the counter examples from the liberal-left?
- Hate speech laws. If you feel that the public space should be a free for all to discriminate against and urge arm to certain groups, please feel free to defend that argument.
- The 'cancellation' narrative. Generally we have a very polarised and nasty online culture, and I'm not a fan of herd pile-ons. But let's be honest that every part of the political spectrum engages in the nastiness, bullying, calls for sacking, etc. And everyone is guilty of selective outrage when one of their allies has been attacked, while ignoring it when someone they disagree with is. Moreover, I've seen lots of examples of people being justifiably critiqued, and then using the 'cancellation' narrative to deflect from the original. Sometimes these martyrs do extensive rounds in national print and TV media talking about their cancellation.
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The government have their own agenda. The media and companies however, try to appease the left, because of they don't the lefty mob will come after them. They are a vocal minority that like to complain a lot. There are evil things going on both on the far right and left.
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Just to check whether I've understood correctly:
1) Right-wing governments suppressing liberal discourse in the various ways listed isn't relevant to a discussion of whether the right or left is more censorious?
2) 'The media' (including the Mail and sister papers, Express and sister publications, the Telegraph, the Sun and Murdoch's other media interests, Fox news, a BBC stuffed with Tory oversight appointees) is homogeneously left-wing and / appeasing the Left / suppressing right-wing views.
3) A vocal left-wing minority has reduced 'the media and companies' into a state fearful self-censorship.
Anything I misunderstood?
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1) If that's what's happening, it would be relevant.
2) There are both left and right publications. The BBC are still on the left though.
3) I think they force the lefty media to go more to the far left, and companies have to bow to them or lose business.
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You write this and yet you still deny reading the Daily Mail.
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I think for myself, you should try it. Nothing good comes from following the crowd.
posted on 9/11/22
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by Shaun M - Livin da vi la Roca (U9955)
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Completely agree with the OP. Sick to death with the constant bitterness from the West in relation to Qatar. Who the hell are we to preach to them how to behave? We're full of schmbags and lowlifes in this part of the world. You don't have to agree with there culture, beliefs or hospitality, but its THEIR culture and beliefs and they should be respected.
How many on here would tolerate someone from down there street knocking on your door and telling you how and when to cut your lawn, how to raise your kids, when to clean the windows, what car to drive etc.....
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Am I the only one that suspects every post like this is actually Barry?
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Yeh, as soon as I started reading it I thought it was Barry. He must have multiple accounts.
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It just shows the worrying trend of so many of these idiots reaching the level of parody.
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I don't know how the Onion is still in business these days
posted on 9/11/22
comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
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comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
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I am not the one that believes in stories made up hundreds of years ago.
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I can’t wait to see his reply to that.
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You will wait for eternity because I don't answer to stupid.
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Stupid for not believing in made up stories that are used to control people.
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It would be clueless to think every religious founder was trying to control people.
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I didn't say that any religious founder was trying to control people. Although some undoubtedly were. That doesn't alter the fact that religion is and has throughout time to control people.
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You could say the same about ideology—let's see you reject that.
posted on 9/11/22
comment by Yorkshire Red (U22022)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
I'd like to see you gay boys come to Qatar and try your disgusting practices. You'll be sent straight to jail.
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I'd like to see a bigoted ¢unt like you spout your $hit down the Gay Village in Montreal.
posted on 9/11/22
I think for myself, you should try it. Nothing good comes from following the crowd.
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It's uncanny how your opinions so precisely echo the most common tropes of right-wing discourse.
posted on 9/11/22
comment by Culèr: The Evolving Brand ✅ (U9489)
posted 4 minutes ago
Homophobia has no place in modern society. The World Cup should not be played there.
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You should have sent them a bigger bribe then.
posted on 9/11/22
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
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comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 7 minutes ago
Scholay - agreed. I believe it’s imperative for Muslims to leave the lands of non Muslims. It’s becoming a necessity. In fact I’d argue we are on the line of obligatory here tbh.
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Considering emigrating UWW?
Finally got tired of people actively and vocally supporting your freedom of expression, freedom of speech, and right to choose which religion you follow and practise?
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If you call emigrating moving back in with mummy and daddy
posted on 9/11/22
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 48 minutes ago
I don’t why people use the animal example? There are also animals that engage in cannibalism, infanticide, encest, sexual acts with younger animals etc. would you agree to such behaviours?
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The difference, if you bothered to stop & think about it for 3 seconds, if that to engage in the bahvioirs you’ve listed would be to cause harm to others & create victims.
Homosexuality does not cause victims. It harms no one except for pea brained bigots & religious nuts.
posted on 9/11/22
comment by N2 (U22280)
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
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comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
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I am not the one that believes in stories made up hundreds of years ago.
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I can’t wait to see his reply to that.
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You will wait for eternity because I don't answer to stupid.
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Stupid for not believing in made up stories that are used to control people.
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It would be clueless to think every religious founder was trying to control people.
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I didn't say that any religious founder was trying to control people. Although some undoubtedly were. That doesn't alter the fact that religion is and has throughout time to control people.
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You could say the same about ideology—let's see you reject that.
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Which ideology?
posted on 9/11/22
I think for myself, you should try it. Nothing good comes from following the crowd.
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All your arguments come from your religion and the Daily Mail.
posted on 9/11/22
comment by N2 (U22280)
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I think for myself, you should try it. Nothing good comes from following the crowd.
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Ah, you're one of the 'I do my own research' idiots.
posted on 9/11/22
comment by Irishred (U2539)
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comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
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comment by United we win (U19958)
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Scholay - agreed. I believe it’s imperative for Muslims to leave the lands of non Muslims. It’s becoming a necessity. In fact I’d argue we are on the line of obligatory here tbh.
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Considering emigrating UWW?
Finally got tired of people actively and vocally supporting your freedom of expression, freedom of speech, and right to choose which religion you follow and practise?
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If you call emigrating moving back in with mummy and daddy
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Espouses individualist bootstrap libertarianism whilst being absolutely petrified of freedom and choice
posted on 9/11/22
comment by Clogfack (U1250)
posted 17 minutes ago
Here is the thing. According to a UK investigation 6500 workers died building the stadiums. According to Quatar 3 people died. If weren't such a serious topic it would be comedy gold.
How can you defend this OP?
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To be fair, I think that number has been debunked.
It's believed to be in fact dozens rather than thousands of south Asian workers who died from heat exposure, exhaustion and horrific falls during the construction of the WC stadiums.
posted on 9/11/22
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Shaun M - Livin da vi la Roca (U9955)
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Completely agree with the OP. Sick to death with the constant bitterness from the West in relation to Qatar. Who the hell are we to preach to them how to behave? We're full of schmbags and lowlifes in this part of the world. You don't have to agree with there culture, beliefs or hospitality, but its THEIR culture and beliefs and they should be respected.
How many on here would tolerate someone from down there street knocking on your door and telling you how and when to cut your lawn, how to raise your kids, when to clean the windows, what car to drive etc.....
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Am I the only one that suspects every post like this is actually Barry?
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posted on 9/11/22
Hey OP
Joke for you
You can always tell a Yorkshireman.....
but you can't tell 'im much
posted on 9/11/22
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 50 minutes ago
Scholay it’s imperative to stray strong in your beliefs and convictions. To never be swayed by the extremist liberals and their agenda.
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i agree with you lad
admirable morals in the face of the degeneracy neo-liberalism has given western society
posted on 9/11/22
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
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comment by N2 (U22280)
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1) If that's what's happening, it would be relevant.
2) There are both left and right publications. The BBC are still on the left though.
3) I think they force the lefty media to go more to the far left, and companies have to bow to them or lose business.
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1) Are there any of the things I listed that you dispute? All have been widely reported.
2) There are many more right-wing mainstream media publications than left.
The BBC is not left-wing. Does it advocate for public ownership and higher taxes? Does it de-platform voices from the Right? Tory politicians have had significantly more minutes of air-time than opposition MPs over the last decade. Nigel Farage has had a huge amount of BBC exposure over a period of time when his various parties have had no Westminster representation. Compare that with the rare and fleeting appearances of Green party spokespeople. BBC news programs regularly interview hard-right pressure groups that are known to be very opaque about their funding, while introducing them as independent experts and never mentioning they are lobbyists. It would be very easy for the BBC to slant its coverage in the left's favour by correcting some of the above, and justifying it in terms of balance and transparency. If it is a fundamentally left-wing organisation, why wouldn't it do so?
Broadcast media in general is very conscious about being perceived to be neutral, and nervous of accusations of bias. In my view, the more legitimate criticism is that BBC and other public service broadcasters are very timid about reporting objective facts and being willing to point out demonstrable lies. Instead it becomes "X says vs Y says" even if X is clearly lying.
3) It's incredible the power that this ferocious liberal minority wields.
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1) I'm not aware of the university example you gave.
2) I think the BBC is scared of losing its funding, and lobbying groups use that against them. I don't watch much TV anymore, so I'm not aware of who is invited on. Their website has a liberal agenda, but at the same time they support Israel. They're trying to please everyone I guess.
3) Social media has given them that power. Without it, society would be a different place.
posted on 9/11/22
comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
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comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
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I am not the one that believes in stories made up hundreds of years ago.
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I can’t wait to see his reply to that.
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You will wait for eternity because I don't answer to stupid.
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Stupid for not believing in made up stories that are used to control people.
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It would be clueless to think every religious founder was trying to control people.
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I didn't say that any religious founder was trying to control people. Although some undoubtedly were. That doesn't alter the fact that religion is and has throughout time to control people.
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You could say the same about ideology—let's see you reject that.
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Which ideology?
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Any ideology. It's literally about politics and controlling people.
posted on 9/11/22
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
Scholay - they are hypocrites. There not too distant ancestors and even current generation have been going to nations forcing their “values” through endless murder under the flag of freedom.
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Yep. And forcing their religions in other people. Just like Islam, innit?
posted on 9/11/22
comment by Yorkshire Red (U22022)
posted 2 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 12 minutes ago
OP went quiet as soon as they were asked for their views on homosexuality
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Yes. I abhore homosexuality.
I think the concept is disgusting and against nature. I don't believe people are born as homosexuals. They choose to be homosexual after being brain washed by the content they see online or taught in schools.
Men have an inclination towards women and women have an inclination towards men. Simple. There's no other way about it. This is not a bigoted concept, it's not backwards thinking, or extremism or hate of any kind.
If homosexuality became prevalent how would our generations continue?
If I came across a person who practiced homosexuality and I came to know about it, I wouldn't have even the slightest of hatred or malice towards the person. There would be a feeling of sympathy towards that person because of the path he/she has adopted.
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Jesus f-cking wept. That second paragraph 😬
This thread is mental and I've still 12 pages to catch up on...
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