comment by Call Sign (U3627)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 13 minutes ago
But they do have the highest per capita spend or “allowance” from the public purse. That’s a fact
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Your company operates in Scotland, right? How much corporation tax does it pay to Holyrood?
VAT? Central coffers.
You live in Greater Manchester, right? HS2 will deliver a huge benefit to you, right? You do know that £100bn capital expenditure is deemed 'for the good of the whole country' so excluded from Barnett? "Fund your own capital projects." Ditto Heathrow expansion £60bn. Yeah that's really benefiting Scotland.Let's throw in Westminster £10bn.
Barnett has zero accounting for needs. You know running separate legal, planning and education systems and the funding of less efficient smaller schools, hospitals, policing, care of a more sparsely distributed population?
I mean when you need a heart bypass the response can't be 'sorry, the average health spend per head doesn't cover heart bypasses, sir.' When your child has special needs the answer cannot be 'sorry, the average education spend doesn't cover special needs, sir.'
Why has every UK government in all time failed to come up with a needs based assessment for spending decisions? I wonder?
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No idea mate
But let’s not suggest that per capita Scots pay more of a share of those costs. They quite simply don’t. And the GDP contribution is far less than the rest of the UK.
Anyways, I’m not the answer to every governments failings. Am I?
And I’ve yet to understand how HS2 will benefit me or indeed anyone near my postcode. It’s turned into a vanity project as far as I’m concerned and nobody has the guts to make that decision of drawing a line in the sand and halting the entire thing.
An East - West improvement and a direct hourly link from Manchester to Birmingham whilst improving services north to Edinburgh and Glasgow would be far more beneficial.
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We should rebuild Hadrian's Wall and give day passes to the people in England that we like. Overnight stays are allowed with written consent from a sponsor or relative.
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Would this apply both ways?
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Call Sign (U3627)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 13 minutes ago
But they do have the highest per capita spend or “allowance” from the public purse. That’s a fact
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Your company operates in Scotland, right? How much corporation tax does it pay to Holyrood?
VAT? Central coffers.
You live in Greater Manchester, right? HS2 will deliver a huge benefit to you, right? You do know that £100bn capital expenditure is deemed 'for the good of the whole country' so excluded from Barnett? "Fund your own capital projects." Ditto Heathrow expansion £60bn. Yeah that's really benefiting Scotland.Let's throw in Westminster £10bn.
Barnett has zero accounting for needs. You know running separate legal, planning and education systems and the funding of less efficient smaller schools, hospitals, policing, care of a more sparsely distributed population?
I mean when you need a heart bypass the response can't be 'sorry, the average health spend per head doesn't cover heart bypasses, sir.' When your child has special needs the answer cannot be 'sorry, the average education spend doesn't cover special needs, sir.'
Why has every UK government in all time failed to come up with a needs based assessment for spending decisions? I wonder?
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No idea mate
But let’s not suggest that per capita Scots pay more of a share of those costs. They quite simply don’t. And the GDP contribution is far less than the rest of the UK.
Anyways, I’m not the answer to every governments failings. Am I?
And I’ve yet to understand how HS2 will benefit me or indeed anyone near my postcode. It’s turned into a vanity project as far as I’m concerned and nobody has the guts to make that decision of drawing a line in the sand and halting the entire thing.
An East - West improvement and a direct hourly link from Manchester to Birmingham whilst improving services north to Edinburgh and Glasgow would be far more beneficial.
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We should rebuild Hadrian's Wall and give day passes to the people in England that we like. Overnight stays are allowed with written consent from a sponsor or relative.
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Would this apply both ways?
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That works for me.
Deal
comment by Call Sign (U3627)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Call Sign (U3627)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 13 minutes ago
But they do have the highest per capita spend or “allowance” from the public purse. That’s a fact
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Your company operates in Scotland, right? How much corporation tax does it pay to Holyrood?
VAT? Central coffers.
You live in Greater Manchester, right? HS2 will deliver a huge benefit to you, right? You do know that £100bn capital expenditure is deemed 'for the good of the whole country' so excluded from Barnett? "Fund your own capital projects." Ditto Heathrow expansion £60bn. Yeah that's really benefiting Scotland.Let's throw in Westminster £10bn.
Barnett has zero accounting for needs. You know running separate legal, planning and education systems and the funding of less efficient smaller schools, hospitals, policing, care of a more sparsely distributed population?
I mean when you need a heart bypass the response can't be 'sorry, the average health spend per head doesn't cover heart bypasses, sir.' When your child has special needs the answer cannot be 'sorry, the average education spend doesn't cover special needs, sir.'
Why has every UK government in all time failed to come up with a needs based assessment for spending decisions? I wonder?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No idea mate
But let’s not suggest that per capita Scots pay more of a share of those costs. They quite simply don’t. And the GDP contribution is far less than the rest of the UK.
Anyways, I’m not the answer to every governments failings. Am I?
And I’ve yet to understand how HS2 will benefit me or indeed anyone near my postcode. It’s turned into a vanity project as far as I’m concerned and nobody has the guts to make that decision of drawing a line in the sand and halting the entire thing.
An East - West improvement and a direct hourly link from Manchester to Birmingham whilst improving services north to Edinburgh and Glasgow would be far more beneficial.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We should rebuild Hadrian's Wall and give day passes to the people in England that we like. Overnight stays are allowed with written consent from a sponsor or relative.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would this apply both ways?
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That works for me.
Deal
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This side will charge more
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 3 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 15 hours, 23 minutes ago
"Scottish politics is in a bad way, and will remain so until the constitutional issue is resolved one way or another."
Did we not have a vote in 2014 to do exactly that?
Only reason its "still to be resolved" is because we have had a party and a leader in power who couldn't take naw for an answer
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And because people kept voting for them, and their policies in large numbers.
That bit seems quite important.
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Let me clear something up here
In 2014...I voted for Independence
2014 was our chance....if we were ever going to get independence....it was then
Sitting watching all the videos documenting Sturgeons career and there she is, standing with Salmond in 2014, with a poster for the Yes campaign that says "one opportunity" on it.
The SNP still being in power doesn't mean the appetite for independence has changed.....what you are basically saying there is that every vote for the SNP is a vote for independence....like saying every vote for the Tories was a vote for Brexit....utter bollox
Even to take that point literally, at the last election, the SNP got 47.7% of the vote....that's what has put them in power.....even if every single one of those votes was from someone who wanted independence...it still wouldn't be enough
So as said...in 2014, the answer was naw
With 52% of the vote at the last election against the SNP....chances are the answer would still be naw
The chance is gone...we had the vote, the answer was no.....the country needs to refocus on its priorities, and independence isn't one of them...Sturgeon going might hopefully be a step towards that
So for me, the constitutional question was answered...same way the Brexit question was answered.....to echo Boris, Brexit is actually getting done, that's after a vote that many many people weren't happy with the outcome of, but accepted it
in Scotland though, we are still moping because, as a mate of mine put it at the time.....we thought we'd awoken a sleeping giant with the yes campaign, turns out he only got up for a pi$h and went back to his bed
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
But let’s not suggest that per capita Scots pay more of a share of those costs. They quite simply don’t. And the GDP contribution is far less than the rest of the UK.
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I didn't suggest anything along those lines but you have chosen to. I await your workings.
What I am saying is it is too simplistic to pluck spending numbers per head in isolation without looking holistically at the finances. Of course it suits WM down to the ground the Barnett numbers are presented only this way.
As for GDP contribution - are you sure? ONS 2020 data suggests Scotland produces more GDP/head than every region except London and the SE and we know why that is.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn06924/
Maybe there's a post-Brexit, covid ah bit somewhere?
There's only one question I've ever had when it comes to the Barnett formula and this point that Scots get more spent on them per head that they contribute and all that......
See if Scotland is such a drain on the UKs finances.....why not cut it loose? Why fight to keep it part of the union?
I've never understood that
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 1 minute ago
There's only one question I've ever had when it comes to the Barnett formula and this point that Scots get more spent on them per head that they contribute and all that......
See if Scotland is such a drain on the UKs finances.....why not cut it loose? Why fight to keep it part of the union?
I've never understood that
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Follow the money
I'd like another independence referendum but I absolutely want that to be the end of things. It should be settled one way or another. I'd quite happily have it enshrined in law that another one can't take place for 25 years after this one.
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 7 minutes ago
I'd like another independence referendum but I absolutely want that to be the end of things. It should be settled one way or another. I'd quite happily have it enshrined in law that another one can't take place for 25 years after this one.
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Honestly dont see the point
Case for it in 2014 was a lot stronger in my opinion
Definition of stupid is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results
Needs put to bed for a good while, focus on the real issues we have at the moment
With Bojo and Truss gone then wee Nic resigning, I don’t think an independence vote will happen. Couple that with Scottish public opinion, there doesn’t seem to be an appetite for it.
Irrespective of appetite, I don't think a right that is enshrined in the UN charter, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the basis for International law is something that could or should be time bound just because yer Da didn't fancy it.
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 3 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 15 hours, 23 minutes ago
"Scottish politics is in a bad way, and will remain so until the constitutional issue is resolved one way or another."
Did we not have a vote in 2014 to do exactly that?
Only reason its "still to be resolved" is because we have had a party and a leader in power who couldn't take naw for an answer
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And because people kept voting for them, and their policies in large numbers.
That bit seems quite important.
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Let me clear something up here
In 2014...I voted for Independence
2014 was our chance....if we were ever going to get independence....it was then
Sitting watching all the videos documenting Sturgeons career and there she is, standing with Salmond in 2014, with a poster for the Yes campaign that says "one opportunity" on it.
The SNP still being in power doesn't mean the appetite for independence has changed.....what you are basically saying there is that every vote for the SNP is a vote for independence....like saying every vote for the Tories was a vote for Brexit....utter bollox
Even to take that point literally, at the last election, the SNP got 47.7% of the vote....that's what has put them in power.....even if every single one of those votes was from someone who wanted independence...it still wouldn't be enough
So as said...in 2014, the answer was naw
With 52% of the vote at the last election against the SNP....chances are the answer would still be naw
The chance is gone...we had the vote, the answer was no.....the country needs to refocus on its priorities, and independence isn't one of them...Sturgeon going might hopefully be a step towards that
So for me, the constitutional question was answered...same way the Brexit question was answered.....to echo Boris, Brexit is actually getting done, that's after a vote that many many people weren't happy with the outcome of, but accepted it
in Scotland though, we are still moping because, as a mate of mine put it at the time.....we thought we'd awoken a sleeping giant with the yes campaign, turns out he only got up for a pi$h and went back to his bed
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We don’t know what the appetite for another referendum is explicitly unless we ask. Now, we have a representative democracy in Scotland, more representative than in other parts of the UK I might add. There was an election to Holyrood. A government was formed, with a majority of MSPs. Those MSPs stood on manifestos supporting a second referendum, and they achieved a majority in Holyrood. For me that should be enough for a S30 order to be granted (it was in 2011). There was scope in discussions around the Edinburgh agreement for having a legal block on another referendum for X years. That was not done. They could do this at another referendum per Ivan’s comments above. I’d probably support it being in there. One sided complaining about what was said on the campaign trail (the Vow anyone?) but wasn’t written down in a legal document is all hot air IMO.
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 3 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 15 hours, 23 minutes ago
"Scottish politics is in a bad way, and will remain so until the constitutional issue is resolved one way or another."
Did we not have a vote in 2014 to do exactly that?
Only reason its "still to be resolved" is because we have had a party and a leader in power who couldn't take naw for an answer
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And because people kept voting for them, and their policies in large numbers.
That bit seems quite important.
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Let me clear something up here
In 2014...I voted for Independence
2014 was our chance....if we were ever going to get independence....it was then
Sitting watching all the videos documenting Sturgeons career and there she is, standing with Salmond in 2014, with a poster for the Yes campaign that says "one opportunity" on it.
The SNP still being in power doesn't mean the appetite for independence has changed.....what you are basically saying there is that every vote for the SNP is a vote for independence....like saying every vote for the Tories was a vote for Brexit....utter bollox
Even to take that point literally, at the last election, the SNP got 47.7% of the vote....that's what has put them in power.....even if every single one of those votes was from someone who wanted independence...it still wouldn't be enough
So as said...in 2014, the answer was naw
With 52% of the vote at the last election against the SNP....chances are the answer would still be naw
The chance is gone...we had the vote, the answer was no.....the country needs to refocus on its priorities, and independence isn't one of them...Sturgeon going might hopefully be a step towards that
So for me, the constitutional question was answered...same way the Brexit question was answered.....to echo Boris, Brexit is actually getting done, that's after a vote that many many people weren't happy with the outcome of, but accepted it
in Scotland though, we are still moping because, as a mate of mine put it at the time.....we thought we'd awoken a sleeping giant with the yes campaign, turns out he only got up for a pi$h and went back to his bed
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We don’t know what the appetite for another referendum is explicitly unless we ask. Now, we have a representative democracy in Scotland, more representative than in other parts of the UK I might add. There was an election to Holyrood. A government was formed, with a majority of MSPs. Those MSPs stood on manifestos supporting a second referendum, and they achieved a majority in Holyrood. For me that should be enough for a S30 order to be granted (it was in 2011). There was scope in discussions around the Edinburgh agreement for having a legal block on another referendum for X years. That was not done. They could do this at another referendum per Ivan’s comments above. I’d probably support it being in there. One sided complaining about what was said on the campaign trail (the Vow anyone?) but wasn’t written down in a legal document is all hot air IMO.
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Don't disagree with any of your points
However:
COVID
Cost of living crisis
NHS in a mess
Public sector strikes
Local authorities making cuts all over the place
We have had all this and more since 2014
It costs money to hold a national referendum......could think of far more important things the government could spend money on that asking a "once in a generation" question twice within 10-15 years....with there being every chance the outcome is exactly the same as the last time
And the thing with both of these votes that were won is that they won based on lies.
In Scotland's cases promises which weren't kept and in the Brexit case downright nonsense.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
But let’s not suggest that per capita Scots pay more of a share of those costs. They quite simply don’t. And the GDP contribution is far less than the rest of the UK.
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I didn't suggest anything along those lines but you have chosen to. I await your workings.
What I am saying is it is too simplistic to pluck spending numbers per head in isolation without looking holistically at the finances. Of course it suits WM down to the ground the Barnett numbers are presented only this way.
As for GDP contribution - are you sure? ONS 2020 data suggests Scotland produces more GDP/head than every region except London and the SE and we know why that is.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn06924/
Maybe there's a post-Brexit, covid ah bit somewhere?
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Not my workings and no ah bits either. Guess we’re reading different sources of information
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 11 minutes ago
And the thing with both of these votes that were won is that they won based on lies.
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Welcome to politics, let me show you to the tour guide
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
comment by Call Sign (U3627)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Call Sign (U3627)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 13 minutes ago
But they do have the highest per capita spend or “allowance” from the public purse. That’s a fact
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Your company operates in Scotland, right? How much corporation tax does it pay to Holyrood?
VAT? Central coffers.
You live in Greater Manchester, right? HS2 will deliver a huge benefit to you, right? You do know that £100bn capital expenditure is deemed 'for the good of the whole country' so excluded from Barnett? "Fund your own capital projects." Ditto Heathrow expansion £60bn. Yeah that's really benefiting Scotland.Let's throw in Westminster £10bn.
Barnett has zero accounting for needs. You know running separate legal, planning and education systems and the funding of less efficient smaller schools, hospitals, policing, care of a more sparsely distributed population?
I mean when you need a heart bypass the response can't be 'sorry, the average health spend per head doesn't cover heart bypasses, sir.' When your child has special needs the answer cannot be 'sorry, the average education spend doesn't cover special needs, sir.'
Why has every UK government in all time failed to come up with a needs based assessment for spending decisions? I wonder?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No idea mate
But let’s not suggest that per capita Scots pay more of a share of those costs. They quite simply don’t. And the GDP contribution is far less than the rest of the UK.
Anyways, I’m not the answer to every governments failings. Am I?
And I’ve yet to understand how HS2 will benefit me or indeed anyone near my postcode. It’s turned into a vanity project as far as I’m concerned and nobody has the guts to make that decision of drawing a line in the sand and halting the entire thing.
An East - West improvement and a direct hourly link from Manchester to Birmingham whilst improving services north to Edinburgh and Glasgow would be far more beneficial.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We should rebuild Hadrian's Wall and give day passes to the people in England that we like. Overnight stays are allowed with written consent from a sponsor or relative.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would this apply both ways?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That works for me.
Deal
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This side will charge more
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I think the toll has gone now but it's like the toll on the Severn bridge when you used to get charged to drive into Wales but not the other way. Unless of coure you headed north then back down.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 22 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
The ferry fiasco is down to her (amongst everything else)
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behave mate.
aye its late and over budget but covid resulted in a decrease in availbility of raw material and an increase in the cost of it.
pretty predictable that it would be late and overbudget.
what i will say is that i've been dealing with FPSO's in brazil for sometime and whilst they have been delayed its not to the same extent.
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Absolute and utter garbage.
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on what level
are you saying the cost of raw material didn't increase?
that there wasn't a scramble due to lock down and a lack of availability?
behave you
Ukraine has flirted with NATO since 1990 but passed a parliamentary bill that precluded membership in 2010. Should we just be telling them to fack off for another 12 years, Stevie?
It’s shiite that we don’t have independence because so many Rangers fans were obsessed with sooking up to a lizard-woman pensioner in a crown.
Ruining it for the rest of us as per.
comment by PointyBirds (U21890)
posted 15 minutes ago
It’s shiite that we don’t have independence because so many Rangers fans were obsessed with sooking up to a lizard-woman pensioner in a crown.
Ruining it for the rest of us as per.
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Sad news in that regard to inform you of...
comment by Call Sign (U3627)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PointyBirds (U21890)
posted 15 minutes ago
It’s shiite that we don’t have independence because so many Rangers fans were obsessed with sooking up to a lizard-woman pensioner in a crown.
Ruining it for the rest of us as per.
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Sad news in that regard to inform you of...
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Indeed, they were out doing the conga in George Sq last night - right in front of the cenotaph anaw. Looked pretty disrespectful to me.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Call Sign (U3627)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PointyBirds (U21890)
posted 15 minutes ago
It’s shiite that we don’t have independence because so many Rangers fans were obsessed with sooking up to a lizard-woman pensioner in a crown.
Ruining it for the rest of us as per.
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Sad news in that regard to inform you of...
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Indeed, they were out doing the conga in George Sq last night - right in front of the cenotaph anaw. Looked pretty disrespectful to me.
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Fireworks somewhere around me last night. Schemie cvnts. Lying in bed and bangers everywhere.
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 22 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
The ferry fiasco is down to her (amongst everything else)
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behave mate.
aye its late and over budget but covid resulted in a decrease in availbility of raw material and an increase in the cost of it.
pretty predictable that it would be late and overbudget.
what i will say is that i've been dealing with FPSO's in brazil for sometime and whilst they have been delayed its not to the same extent.
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Absolute and utter garbage.
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on what level
are you saying the cost of raw material didn't increase?
that there wasn't a scramble due to lock down and a lack of availability?
behave you
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Not in the slightest.
The entire procurement and supply nonsense which bordered on protectionism and downright lying.
Ignoring expert advice on basic design elements. Ignoring paying attention to current similar models adopted in similar sea faring countries. Spending tax payers money in the many tens of millions without basic auditing and VFM tests.
Denying other proven suppliers the opportunity to tender and thereby ignoring further public procurement legislation.
“Oh look. We found that e mail. It was him all along and now he’s gone. Ah well. Nothing to see here. Move on”.
Nah. You behave ya misbehaviour monkey
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posted on 16/2/23
comment by Call Sign (U3627)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 13 minutes ago
But they do have the highest per capita spend or “allowance” from the public purse. That’s a fact
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Your company operates in Scotland, right? How much corporation tax does it pay to Holyrood?
VAT? Central coffers.
You live in Greater Manchester, right? HS2 will deliver a huge benefit to you, right? You do know that £100bn capital expenditure is deemed 'for the good of the whole country' so excluded from Barnett? "Fund your own capital projects." Ditto Heathrow expansion £60bn. Yeah that's really benefiting Scotland.Let's throw in Westminster £10bn.
Barnett has zero accounting for needs. You know running separate legal, planning and education systems and the funding of less efficient smaller schools, hospitals, policing, care of a more sparsely distributed population?
I mean when you need a heart bypass the response can't be 'sorry, the average health spend per head doesn't cover heart bypasses, sir.' When your child has special needs the answer cannot be 'sorry, the average education spend doesn't cover special needs, sir.'
Why has every UK government in all time failed to come up with a needs based assessment for spending decisions? I wonder?
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No idea mate
But let’s not suggest that per capita Scots pay more of a share of those costs. They quite simply don’t. And the GDP contribution is far less than the rest of the UK.
Anyways, I’m not the answer to every governments failings. Am I?
And I’ve yet to understand how HS2 will benefit me or indeed anyone near my postcode. It’s turned into a vanity project as far as I’m concerned and nobody has the guts to make that decision of drawing a line in the sand and halting the entire thing.
An East - West improvement and a direct hourly link from Manchester to Birmingham whilst improving services north to Edinburgh and Glasgow would be far more beneficial.
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We should rebuild Hadrian's Wall and give day passes to the people in England that we like. Overnight stays are allowed with written consent from a sponsor or relative.
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Would this apply both ways?
posted on 16/2/23
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Call Sign (U3627)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 13 minutes ago
But they do have the highest per capita spend or “allowance” from the public purse. That’s a fact
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Your company operates in Scotland, right? How much corporation tax does it pay to Holyrood?
VAT? Central coffers.
You live in Greater Manchester, right? HS2 will deliver a huge benefit to you, right? You do know that £100bn capital expenditure is deemed 'for the good of the whole country' so excluded from Barnett? "Fund your own capital projects." Ditto Heathrow expansion £60bn. Yeah that's really benefiting Scotland.Let's throw in Westminster £10bn.
Barnett has zero accounting for needs. You know running separate legal, planning and education systems and the funding of less efficient smaller schools, hospitals, policing, care of a more sparsely distributed population?
I mean when you need a heart bypass the response can't be 'sorry, the average health spend per head doesn't cover heart bypasses, sir.' When your child has special needs the answer cannot be 'sorry, the average education spend doesn't cover special needs, sir.'
Why has every UK government in all time failed to come up with a needs based assessment for spending decisions? I wonder?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No idea mate
But let’s not suggest that per capita Scots pay more of a share of those costs. They quite simply don’t. And the GDP contribution is far less than the rest of the UK.
Anyways, I’m not the answer to every governments failings. Am I?
And I’ve yet to understand how HS2 will benefit me or indeed anyone near my postcode. It’s turned into a vanity project as far as I’m concerned and nobody has the guts to make that decision of drawing a line in the sand and halting the entire thing.
An East - West improvement and a direct hourly link from Manchester to Birmingham whilst improving services north to Edinburgh and Glasgow would be far more beneficial.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We should rebuild Hadrian's Wall and give day passes to the people in England that we like. Overnight stays are allowed with written consent from a sponsor or relative.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would this apply both ways?
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That works for me.
Deal
posted on 16/2/23
comment by Call Sign (U3627)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Call Sign (U3627)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 13 minutes ago
But they do have the highest per capita spend or “allowance” from the public purse. That’s a fact
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Your company operates in Scotland, right? How much corporation tax does it pay to Holyrood?
VAT? Central coffers.
You live in Greater Manchester, right? HS2 will deliver a huge benefit to you, right? You do know that £100bn capital expenditure is deemed 'for the good of the whole country' so excluded from Barnett? "Fund your own capital projects." Ditto Heathrow expansion £60bn. Yeah that's really benefiting Scotland.Let's throw in Westminster £10bn.
Barnett has zero accounting for needs. You know running separate legal, planning and education systems and the funding of less efficient smaller schools, hospitals, policing, care of a more sparsely distributed population?
I mean when you need a heart bypass the response can't be 'sorry, the average health spend per head doesn't cover heart bypasses, sir.' When your child has special needs the answer cannot be 'sorry, the average education spend doesn't cover special needs, sir.'
Why has every UK government in all time failed to come up with a needs based assessment for spending decisions? I wonder?
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No idea mate
But let’s not suggest that per capita Scots pay more of a share of those costs. They quite simply don’t. And the GDP contribution is far less than the rest of the UK.
Anyways, I’m not the answer to every governments failings. Am I?
And I’ve yet to understand how HS2 will benefit me or indeed anyone near my postcode. It’s turned into a vanity project as far as I’m concerned and nobody has the guts to make that decision of drawing a line in the sand and halting the entire thing.
An East - West improvement and a direct hourly link from Manchester to Birmingham whilst improving services north to Edinburgh and Glasgow would be far more beneficial.
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We should rebuild Hadrian's Wall and give day passes to the people in England that we like. Overnight stays are allowed with written consent from a sponsor or relative.
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Would this apply both ways?
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That works for me.
Deal
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This side will charge more
posted on 16/2/23
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 3 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 15 hours, 23 minutes ago
"Scottish politics is in a bad way, and will remain so until the constitutional issue is resolved one way or another."
Did we not have a vote in 2014 to do exactly that?
Only reason its "still to be resolved" is because we have had a party and a leader in power who couldn't take naw for an answer
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And because people kept voting for them, and their policies in large numbers.
That bit seems quite important.
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Let me clear something up here
In 2014...I voted for Independence
2014 was our chance....if we were ever going to get independence....it was then
Sitting watching all the videos documenting Sturgeons career and there she is, standing with Salmond in 2014, with a poster for the Yes campaign that says "one opportunity" on it.
The SNP still being in power doesn't mean the appetite for independence has changed.....what you are basically saying there is that every vote for the SNP is a vote for independence....like saying every vote for the Tories was a vote for Brexit....utter bollox
Even to take that point literally, at the last election, the SNP got 47.7% of the vote....that's what has put them in power.....even if every single one of those votes was from someone who wanted independence...it still wouldn't be enough
So as said...in 2014, the answer was naw
With 52% of the vote at the last election against the SNP....chances are the answer would still be naw
The chance is gone...we had the vote, the answer was no.....the country needs to refocus on its priorities, and independence isn't one of them...Sturgeon going might hopefully be a step towards that
So for me, the constitutional question was answered...same way the Brexit question was answered.....to echo Boris, Brexit is actually getting done, that's after a vote that many many people weren't happy with the outcome of, but accepted it
in Scotland though, we are still moping because, as a mate of mine put it at the time.....we thought we'd awoken a sleeping giant with the yes campaign, turns out he only got up for a pi$h and went back to his bed
posted on 16/2/23
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
But let’s not suggest that per capita Scots pay more of a share of those costs. They quite simply don’t. And the GDP contribution is far less than the rest of the UK.
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I didn't suggest anything along those lines but you have chosen to. I await your workings.
What I am saying is it is too simplistic to pluck spending numbers per head in isolation without looking holistically at the finances. Of course it suits WM down to the ground the Barnett numbers are presented only this way.
As for GDP contribution - are you sure? ONS 2020 data suggests Scotland produces more GDP/head than every region except London and the SE and we know why that is.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn06924/
Maybe there's a post-Brexit, covid ah bit somewhere?
posted on 16/2/23
There's only one question I've ever had when it comes to the Barnett formula and this point that Scots get more spent on them per head that they contribute and all that......
See if Scotland is such a drain on the UKs finances.....why not cut it loose? Why fight to keep it part of the union?
I've never understood that
posted on 16/2/23
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 1 minute ago
There's only one question I've ever had when it comes to the Barnett formula and this point that Scots get more spent on them per head that they contribute and all that......
See if Scotland is such a drain on the UKs finances.....why not cut it loose? Why fight to keep it part of the union?
I've never understood that
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Follow the money
posted on 16/2/23
I'd like another independence referendum but I absolutely want that to be the end of things. It should be settled one way or another. I'd quite happily have it enshrined in law that another one can't take place for 25 years after this one.
posted on 16/2/23
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 7 minutes ago
I'd like another independence referendum but I absolutely want that to be the end of things. It should be settled one way or another. I'd quite happily have it enshrined in law that another one can't take place for 25 years after this one.
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Honestly dont see the point
Case for it in 2014 was a lot stronger in my opinion
Definition of stupid is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results
Needs put to bed for a good while, focus on the real issues we have at the moment
posted on 16/2/23
With Bojo and Truss gone then wee Nic resigning, I don’t think an independence vote will happen. Couple that with Scottish public opinion, there doesn’t seem to be an appetite for it.
posted on 16/2/23
Irrespective of appetite, I don't think a right that is enshrined in the UN charter, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the basis for International law is something that could or should be time bound just because yer Da didn't fancy it.
posted on 16/2/23
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 3 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 15 hours, 23 minutes ago
"Scottish politics is in a bad way, and will remain so until the constitutional issue is resolved one way or another."
Did we not have a vote in 2014 to do exactly that?
Only reason its "still to be resolved" is because we have had a party and a leader in power who couldn't take naw for an answer
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And because people kept voting for them, and their policies in large numbers.
That bit seems quite important.
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Let me clear something up here
In 2014...I voted for Independence
2014 was our chance....if we were ever going to get independence....it was then
Sitting watching all the videos documenting Sturgeons career and there she is, standing with Salmond in 2014, with a poster for the Yes campaign that says "one opportunity" on it.
The SNP still being in power doesn't mean the appetite for independence has changed.....what you are basically saying there is that every vote for the SNP is a vote for independence....like saying every vote for the Tories was a vote for Brexit....utter bollox
Even to take that point literally, at the last election, the SNP got 47.7% of the vote....that's what has put them in power.....even if every single one of those votes was from someone who wanted independence...it still wouldn't be enough
So as said...in 2014, the answer was naw
With 52% of the vote at the last election against the SNP....chances are the answer would still be naw
The chance is gone...we had the vote, the answer was no.....the country needs to refocus on its priorities, and independence isn't one of them...Sturgeon going might hopefully be a step towards that
So for me, the constitutional question was answered...same way the Brexit question was answered.....to echo Boris, Brexit is actually getting done, that's after a vote that many many people weren't happy with the outcome of, but accepted it
in Scotland though, we are still moping because, as a mate of mine put it at the time.....we thought we'd awoken a sleeping giant with the yes campaign, turns out he only got up for a pi$h and went back to his bed
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We don’t know what the appetite for another referendum is explicitly unless we ask. Now, we have a representative democracy in Scotland, more representative than in other parts of the UK I might add. There was an election to Holyrood. A government was formed, with a majority of MSPs. Those MSPs stood on manifestos supporting a second referendum, and they achieved a majority in Holyrood. For me that should be enough for a S30 order to be granted (it was in 2011). There was scope in discussions around the Edinburgh agreement for having a legal block on another referendum for X years. That was not done. They could do this at another referendum per Ivan’s comments above. I’d probably support it being in there. One sided complaining about what was said on the campaign trail (the Vow anyone?) but wasn’t written down in a legal document is all hot air IMO.
posted on 16/2/23
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 3 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 15 hours, 23 minutes ago
"Scottish politics is in a bad way, and will remain so until the constitutional issue is resolved one way or another."
Did we not have a vote in 2014 to do exactly that?
Only reason its "still to be resolved" is because we have had a party and a leader in power who couldn't take naw for an answer
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And because people kept voting for them, and their policies in large numbers.
That bit seems quite important.
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Let me clear something up here
In 2014...I voted for Independence
2014 was our chance....if we were ever going to get independence....it was then
Sitting watching all the videos documenting Sturgeons career and there she is, standing with Salmond in 2014, with a poster for the Yes campaign that says "one opportunity" on it.
The SNP still being in power doesn't mean the appetite for independence has changed.....what you are basically saying there is that every vote for the SNP is a vote for independence....like saying every vote for the Tories was a vote for Brexit....utter bollox
Even to take that point literally, at the last election, the SNP got 47.7% of the vote....that's what has put them in power.....even if every single one of those votes was from someone who wanted independence...it still wouldn't be enough
So as said...in 2014, the answer was naw
With 52% of the vote at the last election against the SNP....chances are the answer would still be naw
The chance is gone...we had the vote, the answer was no.....the country needs to refocus on its priorities, and independence isn't one of them...Sturgeon going might hopefully be a step towards that
So for me, the constitutional question was answered...same way the Brexit question was answered.....to echo Boris, Brexit is actually getting done, that's after a vote that many many people weren't happy with the outcome of, but accepted it
in Scotland though, we are still moping because, as a mate of mine put it at the time.....we thought we'd awoken a sleeping giant with the yes campaign, turns out he only got up for a pi$h and went back to his bed
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We don’t know what the appetite for another referendum is explicitly unless we ask. Now, we have a representative democracy in Scotland, more representative than in other parts of the UK I might add. There was an election to Holyrood. A government was formed, with a majority of MSPs. Those MSPs stood on manifestos supporting a second referendum, and they achieved a majority in Holyrood. For me that should be enough for a S30 order to be granted (it was in 2011). There was scope in discussions around the Edinburgh agreement for having a legal block on another referendum for X years. That was not done. They could do this at another referendum per Ivan’s comments above. I’d probably support it being in there. One sided complaining about what was said on the campaign trail (the Vow anyone?) but wasn’t written down in a legal document is all hot air IMO.
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Don't disagree with any of your points
However:
COVID
Cost of living crisis
NHS in a mess
Public sector strikes
Local authorities making cuts all over the place
We have had all this and more since 2014
It costs money to hold a national referendum......could think of far more important things the government could spend money on that asking a "once in a generation" question twice within 10-15 years....with there being every chance the outcome is exactly the same as the last time
posted on 16/2/23
And the thing with both of these votes that were won is that they won based on lies.
In Scotland's cases promises which weren't kept and in the Brexit case downright nonsense.
posted on 16/2/23
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
But let’s not suggest that per capita Scots pay more of a share of those costs. They quite simply don’t. And the GDP contribution is far less than the rest of the UK.
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I didn't suggest anything along those lines but you have chosen to. I await your workings.
What I am saying is it is too simplistic to pluck spending numbers per head in isolation without looking holistically at the finances. Of course it suits WM down to the ground the Barnett numbers are presented only this way.
As for GDP contribution - are you sure? ONS 2020 data suggests Scotland produces more GDP/head than every region except London and the SE and we know why that is.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn06924/
Maybe there's a post-Brexit, covid ah bit somewhere?
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Not my workings and no ah bits either. Guess we’re reading different sources of information
posted on 16/2/23
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 11 minutes ago
And the thing with both of these votes that were won is that they won based on lies.
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Welcome to politics, let me show you to the tour guide
posted on 16/2/23
posted on 16/2/23
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
comment by Call Sign (U3627)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Call Sign (U3627)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 13 minutes ago
But they do have the highest per capita spend or “allowance” from the public purse. That’s a fact
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Your company operates in Scotland, right? How much corporation tax does it pay to Holyrood?
VAT? Central coffers.
You live in Greater Manchester, right? HS2 will deliver a huge benefit to you, right? You do know that £100bn capital expenditure is deemed 'for the good of the whole country' so excluded from Barnett? "Fund your own capital projects." Ditto Heathrow expansion £60bn. Yeah that's really benefiting Scotland.Let's throw in Westminster £10bn.
Barnett has zero accounting for needs. You know running separate legal, planning and education systems and the funding of less efficient smaller schools, hospitals, policing, care of a more sparsely distributed population?
I mean when you need a heart bypass the response can't be 'sorry, the average health spend per head doesn't cover heart bypasses, sir.' When your child has special needs the answer cannot be 'sorry, the average education spend doesn't cover special needs, sir.'
Why has every UK government in all time failed to come up with a needs based assessment for spending decisions? I wonder?
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No idea mate
But let’s not suggest that per capita Scots pay more of a share of those costs. They quite simply don’t. And the GDP contribution is far less than the rest of the UK.
Anyways, I’m not the answer to every governments failings. Am I?
And I’ve yet to understand how HS2 will benefit me or indeed anyone near my postcode. It’s turned into a vanity project as far as I’m concerned and nobody has the guts to make that decision of drawing a line in the sand and halting the entire thing.
An East - West improvement and a direct hourly link from Manchester to Birmingham whilst improving services north to Edinburgh and Glasgow would be far more beneficial.
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We should rebuild Hadrian's Wall and give day passes to the people in England that we like. Overnight stays are allowed with written consent from a sponsor or relative.
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Would this apply both ways?
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That works for me.
Deal
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This side will charge more
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I think the toll has gone now but it's like the toll on the Severn bridge when you used to get charged to drive into Wales but not the other way. Unless of coure you headed north then back down.
posted on 16/2/23
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 22 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
The ferry fiasco is down to her (amongst everything else)
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behave mate.
aye its late and over budget but covid resulted in a decrease in availbility of raw material and an increase in the cost of it.
pretty predictable that it would be late and overbudget.
what i will say is that i've been dealing with FPSO's in brazil for sometime and whilst they have been delayed its not to the same extent.
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Absolute and utter garbage.
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on what level
are you saying the cost of raw material didn't increase?
that there wasn't a scramble due to lock down and a lack of availability?
behave you
posted on 16/2/23
Ukraine has flirted with NATO since 1990 but passed a parliamentary bill that precluded membership in 2010. Should we just be telling them to fack off for another 12 years, Stevie?
posted on 16/2/23
It’s shiite that we don’t have independence because so many Rangers fans were obsessed with sooking up to a lizard-woman pensioner in a crown.
Ruining it for the rest of us as per.
posted on 16/2/23
comment by PointyBirds (U21890)
posted 15 minutes ago
It’s shiite that we don’t have independence because so many Rangers fans were obsessed with sooking up to a lizard-woman pensioner in a crown.
Ruining it for the rest of us as per.
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Sad news in that regard to inform you of...
posted on 16/2/23
comment by Call Sign (U3627)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PointyBirds (U21890)
posted 15 minutes ago
It’s shiite that we don’t have independence because so many Rangers fans were obsessed with sooking up to a lizard-woman pensioner in a crown.
Ruining it for the rest of us as per.
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Sad news in that regard to inform you of...
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Indeed, they were out doing the conga in George Sq last night - right in front of the cenotaph anaw. Looked pretty disrespectful to me.
posted on 16/2/23
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Call Sign (U3627)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PointyBirds (U21890)
posted 15 minutes ago
It’s shiite that we don’t have independence because so many Rangers fans were obsessed with sooking up to a lizard-woman pensioner in a crown.
Ruining it for the rest of us as per.
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Sad news in that regard to inform you of...
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Indeed, they were out doing the conga in George Sq last night - right in front of the cenotaph anaw. Looked pretty disrespectful to me.
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Fireworks somewhere around me last night. Schemie cvnts. Lying in bed and bangers everywhere.
posted on 16/2/23
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 22 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
The ferry fiasco is down to her (amongst everything else)
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behave mate.
aye its late and over budget but covid resulted in a decrease in availbility of raw material and an increase in the cost of it.
pretty predictable that it would be late and overbudget.
what i will say is that i've been dealing with FPSO's in brazil for sometime and whilst they have been delayed its not to the same extent.
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Absolute and utter garbage.
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on what level
are you saying the cost of raw material didn't increase?
that there wasn't a scramble due to lock down and a lack of availability?
behave you
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Not in the slightest.
The entire procurement and supply nonsense which bordered on protectionism and downright lying.
Ignoring expert advice on basic design elements. Ignoring paying attention to current similar models adopted in similar sea faring countries. Spending tax payers money in the many tens of millions without basic auditing and VFM tests.
Denying other proven suppliers the opportunity to tender and thereby ignoring further public procurement legislation.
“Oh look. We found that e mail. It was him all along and now he’s gone. Ah well. Nothing to see here. Move on”.
Nah. You behave ya misbehaviour monkey
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