comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 6 minutes ago
People always gotta deal with either end of the spectrum extremes.
He's a decent player with room to improve. Especially his output
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Well he did cost £65 million, rising to £85 million (is that right), so we’re not exactly analysing a kid who’s just broken through from the under 23’s, are we.
11 goals and 4 assists in 1600mins with scope for major improvement
The negatives are vastly exaggerated
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 1 minute ago
11 goals and 4 assists in 1600mins with scope for major improvement
The negatives are vastly exaggerated
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I agree, but isn't everything on this forum?!
My point was just that he will need to produce some excellent stats and performances, else he will be regarded as a failure... the extremes come with the price tag, really.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
It's all a bit moot - composure and technique are intertwined.
It's early days, but his price tag means that it's absolutely fair to interrogate his game more than others.
I think he'll be decent, but not sure we'll be talking about a world class player. Maybe, though.
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I see composure as him being calm when the chance is presented to him to take the ball under control and put it in.
I see technique as having the skill set to do that. For me he has the skill set to do that but he is still lacking composure at times when he's panicking and lashing at shots.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 6 minutes ago
People always gotta deal with either end of the spectrum extremes.
He's a decent player with room to improve. Especially his output
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Well he did cost £65 million, rising to £85 million (is that right), so we’re not exactly analysing a kid who’s just broken through from the under 23’s, are we.
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His price doesn't change the situation, he's a young playing with only two seasons of top flight football under his belt, in Portugal. The first of which he only scored six goals in his new team. He then improved on that by scoring 26 in his second season as well as 6 in the CL. He has now moved to a new league which he still has to learn. He's got eleven in total so far. This is not an established international player we're talking about, despite his fee, which was hugely based on his potential, it's a player who needs polished and who is on the right track. I'd not be surprised to see him score twenty this season and thirty next as he improves.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
It's all a bit moot - composure and technique are intertwined.
It's early days, but his price tag means that it's absolutely fair to interrogate his game more than others.
I think he'll be decent, but not sure we'll be talking about a world class player. Maybe, though.
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I see composure as him being calm when the chance is presented to him to take the ball under control and put it in.
I see technique as having the skill set to do that. For me he has the skill set to do that but he is still lacking composure at times when he's panicking and lashing at shots.
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They're undeniably linked, because your ability to compose yourself affects your technique.
If he doesn't have the composure to score in big situations then he doesn't have the technique. It's a moot point.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 6 minutes ago
People always gotta deal with either end of the spectrum extremes.
He's a decent player with room to improve. Especially his output
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Well he did cost £65 million, rising to £85 million (is that right), so we’re not exactly analysing a kid who’s just broken through from the under 23’s, are we.
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His price doesn't change the situation, he's a young playing with only two seasons of top flight football under his belt, in Portugal. The first of which he only scored six goals in his new team. He then improved on that by scoring 26 in his second season as well as 6 in the CL. He has now moved to a new league which he still has to learn. He's got eleven in total so far. This is not an established international player we're talking about, despite his fee, which was hugely based on his potential, it's a player who needs polished and who is on the right track. I'd not be surprised to see him score twenty this season and thirty next as he improves.
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I didn't say it did.
Try reading my actual point.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
It's all a bit moot - composure and technique are intertwined.
It's early days, but his price tag means that it's absolutely fair to interrogate his game more than others.
I think he'll be decent, but not sure we'll be talking about a world class player. Maybe, though.
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I see composure as him being calm when the chance is presented to him to take the ball under control and put it in.
I see technique as having the skill set to do that. For me he has the skill set to do that but he is still lacking composure at times when he's panicking and lashing at shots.
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They're undeniably linked, because your ability to compose yourself affects your technique.
If he doesn't have the composure to score in big situations then he doesn't have the technique. It's a moot point.
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I'll agree to disagree. Couldn't be bothered.
TOOR, it's getting boring now.
Don't bother replying to me if you can't or won't debate the subject.
It's one reply. A very reasonable one. And yet it's my fault that you don't want to reply again.
You sound like a child.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 6 minutes ago
People always gotta deal with either end of the spectrum extremes.
He's a decent player with room to improve. Especially his output
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Well he did cost £65 million, rising to £85 million (is that right), so we’re not exactly analysing a kid who’s just broken through from the under 23’s, are we.
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His price doesn't change the situation, he's a young playing with only two seasons of top flight football under his belt, in Portugal. The first of which he only scored six goals in his new team. He then improved on that by scoring 26 in his second season as well as 6 in the CL. He has now moved to a new league which he still has to learn. He's got eleven in total so far. This is not an established international player we're talking about, despite his fee, which was hugely based on his potential, it's a player who needs polished and who is on the right track. I'd not be surprised to see him score twenty this season and thirty next as he improves.
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I didn't say it did.
Try reading my actual point.
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What I was alluding to is he's not your typical 23 year old. He started quite late at the top level and can be compared to a younger player in terms of his development. He's in his third season in top flight football. His development may happen later than other strikers his age.
This was in relation to your comment about him not just breaking through from the u23s which is correct obviously but he's not far away from a player who has just broken through. Think Drogba who was similar and wasn't a top player until 25.
I never said he was, TOOR.
I was saying that his price tag means you'll get more extreme levels of judgement - particularly as time passes.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
TOOR, it's getting boring now.
Don't bother replying to me if you can't or won't debate the subject.
It's one reply. A very reasonable one. And yet it's my fault that you don't want to reply again.
You sound like a child.
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Have it your way. Composure and technique are completely different things. You can have all the technique in the world but no composure to execute said technique when the opportunity arises. There are many strikers throughout history who didn't have great technique but excellent composure who scored goals. Rush and Owen I'd say are good examples. They used their pace and ice cold composure to break behind defences and slot the ball in.
Then there are players who don't have ice cold composure who have great technique, who score goals but miss loads, I'd say Salah is a good example who is often close to the top of the table in terms of big chances missed every season.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
I never said he was, TOOR.
I was saying that his price tag means you'll get more extreme levels of judgement - particularly as time passes.
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I misunderstood then. I thought that was a given. I thought you were stating he should be analysed as a £65m striker and not as a young player. I was highlighting that his fee was based on his potential, rather than his current levels considering he only had one prolific season in his career, this has to be the case.
Would he be nicknamed Spoonez if his technique was good?
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 7 minutes ago
Would he be nicknamed Spoonez if his technique was good?
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Well who nicknamed him Spoonez? Was it an adult who understands football or some childish person who doesn't? I think that one is easy to work out, although might just be a wee bit high level for you.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
TOOR, it's getting boring now.
Don't bother replying to me if you can't or won't debate the subject.
It's one reply. A very reasonable one. And yet it's my fault that you don't want to reply again.
You sound like a child.
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Have it your way. Composure and technique are completely different things. You can have all the technique in the world but no composure to execute said technique when the opportunity arises. There are many strikers throughout history who didn't have great technique but excellent composure who scored goals. Rush and Owen I'd say are good examples. They used their pace and ice cold composure to break behind defences and slot the ball in.
Then there are players who don't have ice cold composure who have great technique, who score goals but miss loads, I'd say Salah is a good example who is often close to the top of the table in terms of big chances missed every season.
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They're absolutely not different things.
If you don't have composure in a pressurised situation then you don't have the technique.
Same with consistency.
These are all interlinked.
You seem rather upset when people disagree / correct you. It's rather childish.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
I never said he was, TOOR.
I was saying that his price tag means you'll get more extreme levels of judgement - particularly as time passes.
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I misunderstood then. I thought that was a given. I thought you were stating he should be analysed as a £65m striker and not as a young player. I was highlighting that his fee was based on his potential, rather than his current levels considering he only had one prolific season in his career, this has to be the case.
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Well, have a look at what I'm replying to then!
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 7 minutes ago
Would he be nicknamed Spoonez if his technique was good?
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Well who nicknamed him Spoonez? Was it an adult who understands football or some childish person who doesn't? I think that one is easy to work out, although might just be a wee bit high level for you.
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Not sure who came up with it but been adopted by lots.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
TOOR, it's getting boring now.
Don't bother replying to me if you can't or won't debate the subject.
It's one reply. A very reasonable one. And yet it's my fault that you don't want to reply again.
You sound like a child.
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Have it your way. Composure and technique are completely different things. You can have all the technique in the world but no composure to execute said technique when the opportunity arises. There are many strikers throughout history who didn't have great technique but excellent composure who scored goals. Rush and Owen I'd say are good examples. They used their pace and ice cold composure to break behind defences and slot the ball in.
Then there are players who don't have ice cold composure who have great technique, who score goals but miss loads, I'd say Salah is a good example who is often close to the top of the table in terms of big chances missed every season.
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They're absolutely not different things.
If you don't have composure in a pressurised situation then you don't have the technique.
Same with consistency.
These are all interlinked.
You seem rather upset when people disagree / correct you. It's rather childish.
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there is plenty of players that have shown to have good composure despite lack of technique. therefore must be different things. Thats not to say one cannot affect the other.
But to say that composure and technique are not different things is a very stupid thing to say.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
TOOR, it's getting boring now.
Don't bother replying to me if you can't or won't debate the subject.
It's one reply. A very reasonable one. And yet it's my fault that you don't want to reply again.
You sound like a child.
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Have it your way. Composure and technique are completely different things. You can have all the technique in the world but no composure to execute said technique when the opportunity arises. There are many strikers throughout history who didn't have great technique but excellent composure who scored goals. Rush and Owen I'd say are good examples. They used their pace and ice cold composure to break behind defences and slot the ball in.
Then there are players who don't have ice cold composure who have great technique, who score goals but miss loads, I'd say Salah is a good example who is often close to the top of the table in terms of big chances missed every season.
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They're absolutely not different things.
If you don't have composure in a pressurised situation then you don't have the technique.
Same with consistency.
These are all interlinked.
You seem rather upset when people disagree / correct you. It's rather childish.
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there is plenty of players that have shown to have good composure despite lack of technique. therefore must be different things. Thats not to say one cannot affect the other.
But to say that composure and technique are not different things is a very stupid thing to say.
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I think given your contribution on the corruption thread, this is all a little beyond you.
I said they're intertwined.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
TOOR, it's getting boring now.
Don't bother replying to me if you can't or won't debate the subject.
It's one reply. A very reasonable one. And yet it's my fault that you don't want to reply again.
You sound like a child.
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Have it your way. Composure and technique are completely different things. You can have all the technique in the world but no composure to execute said technique when the opportunity arises. There are many strikers throughout history who didn't have great technique but excellent composure who scored goals. Rush and Owen I'd say are good examples. They used their pace and ice cold composure to break behind defences and slot the ball in.
Then there are players who don't have ice cold composure who have great technique, who score goals but miss loads, I'd say Salah is a good example who is often close to the top of the table in terms of big chances missed every season.
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They're absolutely not different things.
If you don't have composure in a pressurised situation then you don't have the technique.
Same with consistency.
These are all interlinked.
You seem rather upset when people disagree / correct you. It's rather childish.
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there is plenty of players that have shown to have good composure despite lack of technique. therefore must be different things. Thats not to say one cannot affect the other.
But to say that composure and technique are not different things is a very stupid thing to say.
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I think given your contribution on the corruption thread, this is all a little beyond you.
I said they're intertwined.
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what the thread you said there was no evidence of corruption then I gave you evidence (can give more if you want) then you dissapeared from the thread ??
that one?
"I said they're intertwined." you also said "They're absolutely not different things."
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 7 minutes ago
Would he be nicknamed Spoonez if his technique was good?
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Well who nicknamed him Spoonez? Was it an adult who understands football or some childish person who doesn't? I think that one is easy to work out, although might just be a wee bit high level for you.
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Not sure who came up with it but been adopted by lots.
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Oh, well that settles it then. A load of people who don't understand football came up with a phrase a 10 year old would find childish and therefore Nunez has poor technique. The stuff I learn on here.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 7 minutes ago
Would he be nicknamed Spoonez if his technique was good?
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Well who nicknamed him Spoonez? Was it an adult who understands football or some childish person who doesn't? I think that one is easy to work out, although might just be a wee bit high level for you.
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Not sure who came up with it but been adopted by lots.
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Oh, well that settles it then. A load of people who don't understand football came up with a phrase a 10 year old would find childish and therefore Nunez has poor technique. The stuff I learn on here.
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FWIW I dont think he possesses great technique, I also dont think he is as bad as being made out either.
He lacks composure and more so decision making. composure when one on ones to relax and see the space to shoot. and decision making after he has made the umpteenth run into the channel stretching the lines and having good options round him.
Both will improve over time with coaching and experience of playing with top players longer.
I think he will become a very effective striker, Im not sure he will be prolific once developed, he will become a player for big games I feel.
A Drogba level of player I feel.
I do think defenders even now will dread and fear playing against him...goalkeepers (just now) not so much !
I can only go on what I watch and his technique looks fine for me for a number 9. I mean if people want him to be a Firmino, linking play and doing tricks then yes his technique is not up to the job but then if that's what we wanted we wouldn't have signed him.
Have to say I like Nunez. If he'd signed for someone like Brighton for 30mil then everyone would be calling him as I see him - a promising but very raw talent.
However he's signed for liverpool for initially 64mil and up to 85mil, so there's gonna be obvious presumptions that are near impossible for him to live up to, coupled with the standard partisan nature of fans.
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posted on 21/2/23
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 6 minutes ago
People always gotta deal with either end of the spectrum extremes.
He's a decent player with room to improve. Especially his output
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Well he did cost £65 million, rising to £85 million (is that right), so we’re not exactly analysing a kid who’s just broken through from the under 23’s, are we.
posted on 21/2/23
11 goals and 4 assists in 1600mins with scope for major improvement
The negatives are vastly exaggerated
posted on 21/2/23
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 1 minute ago
11 goals and 4 assists in 1600mins with scope for major improvement
The negatives are vastly exaggerated
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I agree, but isn't everything on this forum?!
My point was just that he will need to produce some excellent stats and performances, else he will be regarded as a failure... the extremes come with the price tag, really.
posted on 21/2/23
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
It's all a bit moot - composure and technique are intertwined.
It's early days, but his price tag means that it's absolutely fair to interrogate his game more than others.
I think he'll be decent, but not sure we'll be talking about a world class player. Maybe, though.
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I see composure as him being calm when the chance is presented to him to take the ball under control and put it in.
I see technique as having the skill set to do that. For me he has the skill set to do that but he is still lacking composure at times when he's panicking and lashing at shots.
posted on 21/2/23
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 6 minutes ago
People always gotta deal with either end of the spectrum extremes.
He's a decent player with room to improve. Especially his output
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Well he did cost £65 million, rising to £85 million (is that right), so we’re not exactly analysing a kid who’s just broken through from the under 23’s, are we.
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His price doesn't change the situation, he's a young playing with only two seasons of top flight football under his belt, in Portugal. The first of which he only scored six goals in his new team. He then improved on that by scoring 26 in his second season as well as 6 in the CL. He has now moved to a new league which he still has to learn. He's got eleven in total so far. This is not an established international player we're talking about, despite his fee, which was hugely based on his potential, it's a player who needs polished and who is on the right track. I'd not be surprised to see him score twenty this season and thirty next as he improves.
posted on 21/2/23
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
It's all a bit moot - composure and technique are intertwined.
It's early days, but his price tag means that it's absolutely fair to interrogate his game more than others.
I think he'll be decent, but not sure we'll be talking about a world class player. Maybe, though.
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I see composure as him being calm when the chance is presented to him to take the ball under control and put it in.
I see technique as having the skill set to do that. For me he has the skill set to do that but he is still lacking composure at times when he's panicking and lashing at shots.
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They're undeniably linked, because your ability to compose yourself affects your technique.
If he doesn't have the composure to score in big situations then he doesn't have the technique. It's a moot point.
posted on 21/2/23
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 6 minutes ago
People always gotta deal with either end of the spectrum extremes.
He's a decent player with room to improve. Especially his output
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Well he did cost £65 million, rising to £85 million (is that right), so we’re not exactly analysing a kid who’s just broken through from the under 23’s, are we.
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His price doesn't change the situation, he's a young playing with only two seasons of top flight football under his belt, in Portugal. The first of which he only scored six goals in his new team. He then improved on that by scoring 26 in his second season as well as 6 in the CL. He has now moved to a new league which he still has to learn. He's got eleven in total so far. This is not an established international player we're talking about, despite his fee, which was hugely based on his potential, it's a player who needs polished and who is on the right track. I'd not be surprised to see him score twenty this season and thirty next as he improves.
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I didn't say it did.
Try reading my actual point.
posted on 21/2/23
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
It's all a bit moot - composure and technique are intertwined.
It's early days, but his price tag means that it's absolutely fair to interrogate his game more than others.
I think he'll be decent, but not sure we'll be talking about a world class player. Maybe, though.
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I see composure as him being calm when the chance is presented to him to take the ball under control and put it in.
I see technique as having the skill set to do that. For me he has the skill set to do that but he is still lacking composure at times when he's panicking and lashing at shots.
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They're undeniably linked, because your ability to compose yourself affects your technique.
If he doesn't have the composure to score in big situations then he doesn't have the technique. It's a moot point.
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I'll agree to disagree. Couldn't be bothered.
posted on 21/2/23
TOOR, it's getting boring now.
Don't bother replying to me if you can't or won't debate the subject.
It's one reply. A very reasonable one. And yet it's my fault that you don't want to reply again.
You sound like a child.
posted on 21/2/23
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 6 minutes ago
People always gotta deal with either end of the spectrum extremes.
He's a decent player with room to improve. Especially his output
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Well he did cost £65 million, rising to £85 million (is that right), so we’re not exactly analysing a kid who’s just broken through from the under 23’s, are we.
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His price doesn't change the situation, he's a young playing with only two seasons of top flight football under his belt, in Portugal. The first of which he only scored six goals in his new team. He then improved on that by scoring 26 in his second season as well as 6 in the CL. He has now moved to a new league which he still has to learn. He's got eleven in total so far. This is not an established international player we're talking about, despite his fee, which was hugely based on his potential, it's a player who needs polished and who is on the right track. I'd not be surprised to see him score twenty this season and thirty next as he improves.
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I didn't say it did.
Try reading my actual point.
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What I was alluding to is he's not your typical 23 year old. He started quite late at the top level and can be compared to a younger player in terms of his development. He's in his third season in top flight football. His development may happen later than other strikers his age.
This was in relation to your comment about him not just breaking through from the u23s which is correct obviously but he's not far away from a player who has just broken through. Think Drogba who was similar and wasn't a top player until 25.
posted on 21/2/23
I never said he was, TOOR.
I was saying that his price tag means you'll get more extreme levels of judgement - particularly as time passes.
posted on 21/2/23
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
TOOR, it's getting boring now.
Don't bother replying to me if you can't or won't debate the subject.
It's one reply. A very reasonable one. And yet it's my fault that you don't want to reply again.
You sound like a child.
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Have it your way. Composure and technique are completely different things. You can have all the technique in the world but no composure to execute said technique when the opportunity arises. There are many strikers throughout history who didn't have great technique but excellent composure who scored goals. Rush and Owen I'd say are good examples. They used their pace and ice cold composure to break behind defences and slot the ball in.
Then there are players who don't have ice cold composure who have great technique, who score goals but miss loads, I'd say Salah is a good example who is often close to the top of the table in terms of big chances missed every season.
posted on 21/2/23
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
I never said he was, TOOR.
I was saying that his price tag means you'll get more extreme levels of judgement - particularly as time passes.
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I misunderstood then. I thought that was a given. I thought you were stating he should be analysed as a £65m striker and not as a young player. I was highlighting that his fee was based on his potential, rather than his current levels considering he only had one prolific season in his career, this has to be the case.
posted on 21/2/23
Would he be nicknamed Spoonez if his technique was good?
posted on 21/2/23
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 7 minutes ago
Would he be nicknamed Spoonez if his technique was good?
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Well who nicknamed him Spoonez? Was it an adult who understands football or some childish person who doesn't? I think that one is easy to work out, although might just be a wee bit high level for you.
posted on 21/2/23
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
TOOR, it's getting boring now.
Don't bother replying to me if you can't or won't debate the subject.
It's one reply. A very reasonable one. And yet it's my fault that you don't want to reply again.
You sound like a child.
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Have it your way. Composure and technique are completely different things. You can have all the technique in the world but no composure to execute said technique when the opportunity arises. There are many strikers throughout history who didn't have great technique but excellent composure who scored goals. Rush and Owen I'd say are good examples. They used their pace and ice cold composure to break behind defences and slot the ball in.
Then there are players who don't have ice cold composure who have great technique, who score goals but miss loads, I'd say Salah is a good example who is often close to the top of the table in terms of big chances missed every season.
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They're absolutely not different things.
If you don't have composure in a pressurised situation then you don't have the technique.
Same with consistency.
These are all interlinked.
You seem rather upset when people disagree / correct you. It's rather childish.
posted on 21/2/23
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
I never said he was, TOOR.
I was saying that his price tag means you'll get more extreme levels of judgement - particularly as time passes.
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I misunderstood then. I thought that was a given. I thought you were stating he should be analysed as a £65m striker and not as a young player. I was highlighting that his fee was based on his potential, rather than his current levels considering he only had one prolific season in his career, this has to be the case.
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Well, have a look at what I'm replying to then!
posted on 21/2/23
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 7 minutes ago
Would he be nicknamed Spoonez if his technique was good?
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Well who nicknamed him Spoonez? Was it an adult who understands football or some childish person who doesn't? I think that one is easy to work out, although might just be a wee bit high level for you.
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Not sure who came up with it but been adopted by lots.
posted on 21/2/23
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
TOOR, it's getting boring now.
Don't bother replying to me if you can't or won't debate the subject.
It's one reply. A very reasonable one. And yet it's my fault that you don't want to reply again.
You sound like a child.
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Have it your way. Composure and technique are completely different things. You can have all the technique in the world but no composure to execute said technique when the opportunity arises. There are many strikers throughout history who didn't have great technique but excellent composure who scored goals. Rush and Owen I'd say are good examples. They used their pace and ice cold composure to break behind defences and slot the ball in.
Then there are players who don't have ice cold composure who have great technique, who score goals but miss loads, I'd say Salah is a good example who is often close to the top of the table in terms of big chances missed every season.
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They're absolutely not different things.
If you don't have composure in a pressurised situation then you don't have the technique.
Same with consistency.
These are all interlinked.
You seem rather upset when people disagree / correct you. It's rather childish.
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there is plenty of players that have shown to have good composure despite lack of technique. therefore must be different things. Thats not to say one cannot affect the other.
But to say that composure and technique are not different things is a very stupid thing to say.
posted on 21/2/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
TOOR, it's getting boring now.
Don't bother replying to me if you can't or won't debate the subject.
It's one reply. A very reasonable one. And yet it's my fault that you don't want to reply again.
You sound like a child.
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Have it your way. Composure and technique are completely different things. You can have all the technique in the world but no composure to execute said technique when the opportunity arises. There are many strikers throughout history who didn't have great technique but excellent composure who scored goals. Rush and Owen I'd say are good examples. They used their pace and ice cold composure to break behind defences and slot the ball in.
Then there are players who don't have ice cold composure who have great technique, who score goals but miss loads, I'd say Salah is a good example who is often close to the top of the table in terms of big chances missed every season.
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They're absolutely not different things.
If you don't have composure in a pressurised situation then you don't have the technique.
Same with consistency.
These are all interlinked.
You seem rather upset when people disagree / correct you. It's rather childish.
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there is plenty of players that have shown to have good composure despite lack of technique. therefore must be different things. Thats not to say one cannot affect the other.
But to say that composure and technique are not different things is a very stupid thing to say.
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I think given your contribution on the corruption thread, this is all a little beyond you.
I said they're intertwined.
posted on 21/2/23
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
TOOR, it's getting boring now.
Don't bother replying to me if you can't or won't debate the subject.
It's one reply. A very reasonable one. And yet it's my fault that you don't want to reply again.
You sound like a child.
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Have it your way. Composure and technique are completely different things. You can have all the technique in the world but no composure to execute said technique when the opportunity arises. There are many strikers throughout history who didn't have great technique but excellent composure who scored goals. Rush and Owen I'd say are good examples. They used their pace and ice cold composure to break behind defences and slot the ball in.
Then there are players who don't have ice cold composure who have great technique, who score goals but miss loads, I'd say Salah is a good example who is often close to the top of the table in terms of big chances missed every season.
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They're absolutely not different things.
If you don't have composure in a pressurised situation then you don't have the technique.
Same with consistency.
These are all interlinked.
You seem rather upset when people disagree / correct you. It's rather childish.
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there is plenty of players that have shown to have good composure despite lack of technique. therefore must be different things. Thats not to say one cannot affect the other.
But to say that composure and technique are not different things is a very stupid thing to say.
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I think given your contribution on the corruption thread, this is all a little beyond you.
I said they're intertwined.
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what the thread you said there was no evidence of corruption then I gave you evidence (can give more if you want) then you dissapeared from the thread ??
that one?
"I said they're intertwined." you also said "They're absolutely not different things."
posted on 21/2/23
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 7 minutes ago
Would he be nicknamed Spoonez if his technique was good?
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Well who nicknamed him Spoonez? Was it an adult who understands football or some childish person who doesn't? I think that one is easy to work out, although might just be a wee bit high level for you.
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Not sure who came up with it but been adopted by lots.
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Oh, well that settles it then. A load of people who don't understand football came up with a phrase a 10 year old would find childish and therefore Nunez has poor technique. The stuff I learn on here.
posted on 21/2/23
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 7 minutes ago
Would he be nicknamed Spoonez if his technique was good?
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Well who nicknamed him Spoonez? Was it an adult who understands football or some childish person who doesn't? I think that one is easy to work out, although might just be a wee bit high level for you.
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Not sure who came up with it but been adopted by lots.
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Oh, well that settles it then. A load of people who don't understand football came up with a phrase a 10 year old would find childish and therefore Nunez has poor technique. The stuff I learn on here.
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FWIW I dont think he possesses great technique, I also dont think he is as bad as being made out either.
He lacks composure and more so decision making. composure when one on ones to relax and see the space to shoot. and decision making after he has made the umpteenth run into the channel stretching the lines and having good options round him.
Both will improve over time with coaching and experience of playing with top players longer.
I think he will become a very effective striker, Im not sure he will be prolific once developed, he will become a player for big games I feel.
A Drogba level of player I feel.
I do think defenders even now will dread and fear playing against him...goalkeepers (just now) not so much !
posted on 21/2/23
I can only go on what I watch and his technique looks fine for me for a number 9. I mean if people want him to be a Firmino, linking play and doing tricks then yes his technique is not up to the job but then if that's what we wanted we wouldn't have signed him.
posted on 21/2/23
Have to say I like Nunez. If he'd signed for someone like Brighton for 30mil then everyone would be calling him as I see him - a promising but very raw talent.
However he's signed for liverpool for initially 64mil and up to 85mil, so there's gonna be obvious presumptions that are near impossible for him to live up to, coupled with the standard partisan nature of fans.
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