I really hope this isn’t gonna be like Jose or Ole’s final seasons at the club. It’s not really depressing to see this because it has only been 2 match days, but I'm a little whiny girl so WAAHHHH
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Agree with this part
You don't need a weatherman to tell you when it's peeing down.
It's early in the season, I'll see where we are after a few more games before going full on depression mode
youre playing a midfield of casemiro bruno and mount..
I really hope this isn’t gonna be like Jose or Ole’s final seasons at the club. It’s so depressing to see this after 2 match days.
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I have to say we’ve seen the same signs before with the last 4 managers and we’re seeing the same dark clouds already over OT and ETH soo soon this season. I really hope I’m wrong but going by what we’ve seen history is repeating itself.
Is the stat not just telling us what we know: that we were awful in the first two games of the season. This kind of data is concerning when it aggregates over a long period, but it doesn't tell us that there are underlying weaknesses.
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 15 seconds ago
I really hope this isn’t gonna be like Jose or Ole’s final seasons at the club. It’s so depressing to see this after 2 match days.
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I have to say we’ve seen the same signs before with the last 4 managers and we’re seeing the same dark clouds already over OT and ETH soo soon this season. I really hope I’m wrong but going by what we’ve seen history is repeating itself.
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Why see it as a repetition of the pattern of Jose and Ole seasons that went badly, and not a repetition of ETH's last season that also started terribly and worked out OK? It's just feelings, isn't it?
Top managers like to experiment and fine tune.
I must admit that leaving the midfield completely devoid of players is a bit of a head scratcher though.
I'd be worried if I was a utd fan. Yes, it's early, but a serious team doesn't cast doubts like this.
Luckily, you scraped past wolves, a decent performance Vs forest could get you going.
comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'd be worried if I was a utd fan. Yes, it's early, but a serious team doesn't cast doubts like this.
Luckily, you scraped past wolves, a decent performance Vs forest could get you going.
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We're not seriously challenging for the title this season. The start we've had isn't inconsistent with a side that hopes to finish in the CL places while bedding in a new style and integrating new signings.
I think the issue is that we have so far ignored the type of midfielder we really need in this window so far.
I think Mount could be a good player for us but he doesn't look like a CM.
That and the fact that our front can't even complete a simple pass most of the time.
Lots of rumours emerging we are trying to sign a young striker from Santos.
Seems like ETH was told Mason Greenwood would be coming back to the first team squad. Now he isn't, the plans have changed and he wants an additional forward.
Shambles. 😂
My ageing memory tells me that United are notorious bad starters to a season and that they usually fire on when the last mince pie has been devoured.
Can we give them their mince pies now?
To be honest, watching you guys last year, I didn't get the impression something great was kicking in. To me it felt like individuals rescuing things. Rashford on top form, Casemiro leading in midfield, Martinez dying for the cause. What I didn't see though was any real patterns of play. The way Ten Hag's Ajax played is nothing like this United team. No perfect triangles, no real domination of the ball, no cohesion. What we're seeing now is a continuation of the same problems. The only difference is that Rashford has plateaued and Casemiro is one year older with no defensive help.
The way Wolves outplayed you was astonishing. That said more about where you are than the Spurs game, which even I'll admit could have gone either way if you'd taken your early chances.
I think part of United's soul died when the last of the '92 lads retired, which I think was Giggs. Those boys were caoched in the right way, were taught to lead the dressing room by the best in Robson, Hughes, Ince etc and from that point the standards were kept up by a demanding dressing room, led by those academy boys. Once they went, standards dropped off a cliff and now you're picking up mercenaries looking for a big pay day. I mean, Antony - 90m??? Are you kidding me? There's so much wrong with the club and still recruitment is a major issue. Ten Hag is a coach, a very good one, but he needs good players to do his job and year after year you're bringing in lads with the wrong profile on big wages.
I think you'll struggle to finish top four this year.
I think the issue is that we have so far ignored the type of midfielder we really need in this window so far.
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At this point I'm wondering if it's deliberate and Ten Hag isn't viewing midfield control as absolutely essential, something I can't get onboard with, not with our current squad.
I don't think we can afford to give up control because we aren't good enough in other areas to be able to do this.
If we had an attack who could reliably look after the ball, consistently turn good final third situations into high quality chances and those chances into goals, a midfield who could retain, pass and/or carry the ball under pressure and a team that was well organised and worked hard off the ball then I'd be more inclined to go along with that but we're lacking spectacularly when it comes to all of these things.
We do not do well when matches become chaotic so it's vital we have the ability to be able to better control and manage games.
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 3 minutes ago
I think the issue is that we have so far ignored the type of midfielder we really need in this window so far.
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At this point I'm wondering if it's deliberate and Ten Hag isn't viewing midfield control as absolutely essential, something I can't get onboard with, not with our current squad.
I don't think we can afford to give up control because we aren't good enough in other areas to be able to do this.
If we had an attack who could reliably look after the ball, consistently turn good final third situations into high quality chances and those chances into goals, a midfield who could retain, pass and/or carry the ball under pressure and a team that was well organised and worked hard off the ball then I'd be more inclined to go along with that but we're lacking spectacularly when it comes to all of these things.
We do not do well when matches become chaotic so it's vital we have the ability to be able to better control and manage games.
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Totally agree, yet acknowledge he's a smart and pragmatic guy. Basically, I'm hoping he eventually talks us there the thinking when he brings out his autobiography.
One thing probably worth mentioning is our preseason. IMO it was a complete shambles (ETH takes part of the blame here too).
Our fit first 11 barely had any minutes out there together. We gave ourselves almost no chance of hitting the ground running to start the season.
We look like a team playing catch up...
We've been absolutely dismal so far, no two ways about it.
And I'm not seeing too many reasons for optimism.
Yes, I do fear it's already got the feeling of a bad season. There's just so much negativity around the club at the moment.
It's just a typical start for us for the past 10 years, it's not worrying any more it's just unsurprising. We'll finish somewhere from 3rd to 6th again
comment by Jalisco Red (U4195)
posted 47 seconds ago
We've been absolutely dismal so far, no two ways about it.
And I'm not seeing too many reasons for optimism.
Yes, I do fear it's already got the feeling of a bad season. There's just so much negativity around the club at the moment.
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Got to feel for Erik a bit too.
He's had Ronaldo situation, Maguire situation, the never ending Takeover, Sancho's hiatus and obviously the tail end of the Greenwood saga to deal with too. I have probably missed some as well.
The club needs a restart like no other that's for sure.
comment by Pun (U21588)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
Lads, it's Tottenham
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Get behind the team or shut up
We started slowly last season, the win over liverpool in our third game ignited our season.
Arsenal and Man City created 2 big chances after 2 league games and Arsenal scored 3 and Man City 4.
Man Utd created 6 big chances and scored 1. I knew w got the worst strikeforce in Man Utd history last season. We would have scored 103 league goals with Arsenal conversion rate last season.
Ten Hag has done a miracle job but conference league strikers, even Rashford on paper should be 4th choice at best but is our main striker. Crazy we used to have Rooney Ronaldo Tevez when we dominated and now we have shocking strikers. Rashford has gone backwards in front of goal since his debut.
Rashford should have scored like 40 goals last season easily but he had a shocking conversion rate end of last season, one of the worst in football basically missed nearly every chance he had for last few months of the season whilst having near the most chances of anyone at same time. I think he was averaging like a goal every 20 shots for last few months of the season and our team similar.
It is depressing as I cannot recall a Man Utd side this creative.
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posted on 24/8/23
I really hope this isn’t gonna be like Jose or Ole’s final seasons at the club. It’s not really depressing to see this because it has only been 2 match days, but I'm a little whiny girl so WAAHHHH
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Agree with this part
posted on 24/8/23
You don't need a weatherman to tell you when it's peeing down.
It's early in the season, I'll see where we are after a few more games before going full on depression mode
posted on 24/8/23
youre playing a midfield of casemiro bruno and mount..
posted on 24/8/23
I really hope this isn’t gonna be like Jose or Ole’s final seasons at the club. It’s so depressing to see this after 2 match days.
———————————————————————
I have to say we’ve seen the same signs before with the last 4 managers and we’re seeing the same dark clouds already over OT and ETH soo soon this season. I really hope I’m wrong but going by what we’ve seen history is repeating itself.
posted on 24/8/23
Is the stat not just telling us what we know: that we were awful in the first two games of the season. This kind of data is concerning when it aggregates over a long period, but it doesn't tell us that there are underlying weaknesses.
posted on 24/8/23
Lads, it's Tottenham
posted on 24/8/23
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 15 seconds ago
I really hope this isn’t gonna be like Jose or Ole’s final seasons at the club. It’s so depressing to see this after 2 match days.
———————————————————————
I have to say we’ve seen the same signs before with the last 4 managers and we’re seeing the same dark clouds already over OT and ETH soo soon this season. I really hope I’m wrong but going by what we’ve seen history is repeating itself.
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Why see it as a repetition of the pattern of Jose and Ole seasons that went badly, and not a repetition of ETH's last season that also started terribly and worked out OK? It's just feelings, isn't it?
posted on 24/8/23
Top managers like to experiment and fine tune.
I must admit that leaving the midfield completely devoid of players is a bit of a head scratcher though.
posted on 24/8/23
I'd be worried if I was a utd fan. Yes, it's early, but a serious team doesn't cast doubts like this.
Luckily, you scraped past wolves, a decent performance Vs forest could get you going.
posted on 24/8/23
comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'd be worried if I was a utd fan. Yes, it's early, but a serious team doesn't cast doubts like this.
Luckily, you scraped past wolves, a decent performance Vs forest could get you going.
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We're not seriously challenging for the title this season. The start we've had isn't inconsistent with a side that hopes to finish in the CL places while bedding in a new style and integrating new signings.
posted on 24/8/23
I think the issue is that we have so far ignored the type of midfielder we really need in this window so far.
I think Mount could be a good player for us but he doesn't look like a CM.
That and the fact that our front can't even complete a simple pass most of the time.
posted on 24/8/23
Lots of rumours emerging we are trying to sign a young striker from Santos.
Seems like ETH was told Mason Greenwood would be coming back to the first team squad. Now he isn't, the plans have changed and he wants an additional forward.
Shambles. 😂
posted on 24/8/23
My ageing memory tells me that United are notorious bad starters to a season and that they usually fire on when the last mince pie has been devoured.
Can we give them their mince pies now?
posted on 24/8/23
To be honest, watching you guys last year, I didn't get the impression something great was kicking in. To me it felt like individuals rescuing things. Rashford on top form, Casemiro leading in midfield, Martinez dying for the cause. What I didn't see though was any real patterns of play. The way Ten Hag's Ajax played is nothing like this United team. No perfect triangles, no real domination of the ball, no cohesion. What we're seeing now is a continuation of the same problems. The only difference is that Rashford has plateaued and Casemiro is one year older with no defensive help.
The way Wolves outplayed you was astonishing. That said more about where you are than the Spurs game, which even I'll admit could have gone either way if you'd taken your early chances.
I think part of United's soul died when the last of the '92 lads retired, which I think was Giggs. Those boys were caoched in the right way, were taught to lead the dressing room by the best in Robson, Hughes, Ince etc and from that point the standards were kept up by a demanding dressing room, led by those academy boys. Once they went, standards dropped off a cliff and now you're picking up mercenaries looking for a big pay day. I mean, Antony - 90m??? Are you kidding me? There's so much wrong with the club and still recruitment is a major issue. Ten Hag is a coach, a very good one, but he needs good players to do his job and year after year you're bringing in lads with the wrong profile on big wages.
I think you'll struggle to finish top four this year.
posted on 24/8/23
I think the issue is that we have so far ignored the type of midfielder we really need in this window so far.
---------------------------------------------
At this point I'm wondering if it's deliberate and Ten Hag isn't viewing midfield control as absolutely essential, something I can't get onboard with, not with our current squad.
I don't think we can afford to give up control because we aren't good enough in other areas to be able to do this.
If we had an attack who could reliably look after the ball, consistently turn good final third situations into high quality chances and those chances into goals, a midfield who could retain, pass and/or carry the ball under pressure and a team that was well organised and worked hard off the ball then I'd be more inclined to go along with that but we're lacking spectacularly when it comes to all of these things.
We do not do well when matches become chaotic so it's vital we have the ability to be able to better control and manage games.
posted on 24/8/23
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 3 minutes ago
I think the issue is that we have so far ignored the type of midfielder we really need in this window so far.
---------------------------------------------
At this point I'm wondering if it's deliberate and Ten Hag isn't viewing midfield control as absolutely essential, something I can't get onboard with, not with our current squad.
I don't think we can afford to give up control because we aren't good enough in other areas to be able to do this.
If we had an attack who could reliably look after the ball, consistently turn good final third situations into high quality chances and those chances into goals, a midfield who could retain, pass and/or carry the ball under pressure and a team that was well organised and worked hard off the ball then I'd be more inclined to go along with that but we're lacking spectacularly when it comes to all of these things.
We do not do well when matches become chaotic so it's vital we have the ability to be able to better control and manage games.
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Totally agree, yet acknowledge he's a smart and pragmatic guy. Basically, I'm hoping he eventually talks us there the thinking when he brings out his autobiography.
posted on 24/8/23
One thing probably worth mentioning is our preseason. IMO it was a complete shambles (ETH takes part of the blame here too).
Our fit first 11 barely had any minutes out there together. We gave ourselves almost no chance of hitting the ground running to start the season.
We look like a team playing catch up...
posted on 24/8/23
We've been absolutely dismal so far, no two ways about it.
And I'm not seeing too many reasons for optimism.
Yes, I do fear it's already got the feeling of a bad season. There's just so much negativity around the club at the moment.
posted on 24/8/23
It's just a typical start for us for the past 10 years, it's not worrying any more it's just unsurprising. We'll finish somewhere from 3rd to 6th again
posted on 24/8/23
comment by Jalisco Red (U4195)
posted 47 seconds ago
We've been absolutely dismal so far, no two ways about it.
And I'm not seeing too many reasons for optimism.
Yes, I do fear it's already got the feeling of a bad season. There's just so much negativity around the club at the moment.
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Got to feel for Erik a bit too.
He's had Ronaldo situation, Maguire situation, the never ending Takeover, Sancho's hiatus and obviously the tail end of the Greenwood saga to deal with too. I have probably missed some as well.
The club needs a restart like no other that's for sure.
posted on 24/8/23
comment by Pun (U21588)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
Lads, it's Tottenham
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Get behind the team or shut up
posted on 24/8/23
We started slowly last season, the win over liverpool in our third game ignited our season.
posted on 26/8/23
Arsenal and Man City created 2 big chances after 2 league games and Arsenal scored 3 and Man City 4.
Man Utd created 6 big chances and scored 1. I knew w got the worst strikeforce in Man Utd history last season. We would have scored 103 league goals with Arsenal conversion rate last season.
posted on 26/8/23
Ten Hag has done a miracle job but conference league strikers, even Rashford on paper should be 4th choice at best but is our main striker. Crazy we used to have Rooney Ronaldo Tevez when we dominated and now we have shocking strikers. Rashford has gone backwards in front of goal since his debut.
posted on 26/8/23
Rashford should have scored like 40 goals last season easily but he had a shocking conversion rate end of last season, one of the worst in football basically missed nearly every chance he had for last few months of the season whilst having near the most chances of anyone at same time. I think he was averaging like a goal every 20 shots for last few months of the season and our team similar.
It is depressing as I cannot recall a Man Utd side this creative.
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