He wouldn't start our biggest games with everyone available. Romero is our vice captain and had been one of our best performing players up to the Chelsea game.
He's not gonna come here to fight for 20 or 25 starts a season when he could go and start 45 games somewhere else and make more money
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posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
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posted 34 minutes ago
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posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
comment by ●Billy The Spur● LEVY OUT- ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 18 minutes ago
We'll end up with some third choice car crash player in vintage Levy style
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It’s going to be different this time.
He has to back Ange.
He’s stepped away from the football side.
Warchest!
And if he does sign some third choicer, it’s only because we can’t sign good players to sit on the bench. We can’t sign anyone decent because they won’t want to sit on the bench.
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Imagine if Ange left at the end of Jan and simply said he wasn’t backed when he needed it - there would still be absolute devotees to dear leader that would come on here and defend the man.
If I am honest though, I suspect even Levy won’t dare to not buy a CB this window, he knows the crowd will be all over him otherwise and no one’sturning on Ange so it will only be himself getting it. I think his back is truly against the wall this time, he either backs Ange or he doesn’t and probably has to stop attending games for a while
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Lloyd Kelly incoming🤣
There’d be people saying he’s the best we can expect to sit on the bench.
Because nobody gets injured or suspended do they? Or play themselves into the team!
It’s like there could never be any better partnership than VDV and Romero - someone could come in and be better! So small time - we’ve had good first 11s before and look how it always turns out by buying squad players
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I would say the difficultly we have right now is no Europen football. With Europe and domestic cups we could have 60 games a season, so that's 40 games across 3 CBs.
Right now we may just have 40 games this season, so thats little more than 26 starts each and if fit/available VDV and Romero get the bulk of them and dont need to be rested with one game a week.
For this season, I think the new CB either needs to be a bench warmer, or we wait until the summer when we hopefully have europe and will have greater need to rest and rotate next season.
Overall i would prefer it if we played the long game, but that does depend on how serious VDVs injury is. They say New Year but i suspect that could be Feb. If it is then we could lose serious ground in that time. If it is New Year then we stick with what we have, qualify for Europe and will have more money and attraction to bring in a better quality CB. If its longer term then may be we need someone in straight away. I appreciate some will see it differently.
comment by Christopher huffing glou (U20930)
posted 8 minutes ago
He wouldn't start our biggest games with everyone available. Romero is our vice captain and had been one of our best performing players up to the Chelsea game.
He's not gonna come here to fight for 20 or 25 starts a season when he could go and start 45 games somewhere else and make more money
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Got to think he'd probably choose United over Spurs at the moment. Probably get paid more and be a guaranteed starter.
United would probably ruin him too but I'm sure the cash would soften the blow
Yep. "come and start game for us when Romero is injured or suspended" is just not an exciting pitch for a player of his quality. Ok maybe he would also play when VDV is unavailable, I don't know how much he's player as a LCB and it seems like Ange wants a left footer there anyway, but the point remains.
What we need is quality depth that can play in multiple positions, so that the amount they play doesn't depend directly on the availability of one other player.
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posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Bill Nick (U23088)
posted 57 minutes ago
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posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by Bill Nick (U23088)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
what's the question?
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Todibo
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call the whole thing off?
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I very nearly went with “much Todibo nothing” but thought better of it
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comment by Christopher huffing glou (U20930)
posted 25 seconds ago
Yep. "come and start game for us when Romero is injured or suspended" is just not an exciting pitch for a player of his quality. Ok maybe he would also play when VDV is unavailable, I don't know how much he's player as a LCB and it seems like Ange wants a left footer there anyway, but the point remains.
What we need is quality depth that can play in multiple positions, so that the amount they play doesn't depend directly on the availability of one other player.
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surely its about making your team a top team... top teams have at least 3 top quality CB's not only for cover but for options if they want to go 3 at back.
Romero played 35 games last season roughly, and top teams expect to play about 50 odd games a season at least so with a combination of rotation, injuries, suspensions and changing formations you deof need another CB in addition to VDV, its also possible that he is or could become better than both VDV and/or Romero.
this is how you progress teams.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Christopher huffing glou (U20930)
posted 25 seconds ago
Yep. "come and start game for us when Romero is injured or suspended" is just not an exciting pitch for a player of his quality. Ok maybe he would also play when VDV is unavailable, I don't know how much he's player as a LCB and it seems like Ange wants a left footer there anyway, but the point remains.
What we need is quality depth that can play in multiple positions, so that the amount they play doesn't depend directly on the availability of one other player.
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surely its about making your team a top team... top teams have at least 3 top quality CB's not only for cover but for options if they want to go 3 at back.
Romero played 35 games last season roughly, and top teams expect to play about 50 odd games a season at least so with a combination of rotation, injuries, suspensions and changing formations you deof need another CB in addition to VDV, its also possible that he is or could become better than both VDV and/or Romero.
this is how you progress teams.
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Its about development of the squad. No one is contesting we don't need another CB but it is far more likely we will get quality if we can offer them more opportunity to play and also in Europe (the 2 go hand in hand).
I would be stunned we would get another £40-50m CB to come sit on our bench. Arsenal got Timber in the summer, but they were hoping to fight on several fronts. We don't have that yet, so it is perhaps natural we wait until we can offer this to a quality CB, rather than make do with someone who is happy to sit on a bench for most of this season...and may prove to be not good enough when called upon in the longer term when we hope to be pushing for success.
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posted 9 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Christopher huffing glou (U20930)
posted 25 seconds ago
Yep. "come and start game for us when Romero is injured or suspended" is just not an exciting pitch for a player of his quality. Ok maybe he would also play when VDV is unavailable, I don't know how much he's player as a LCB and it seems like Ange wants a left footer there anyway, but the point remains.
What we need is quality depth that can play in multiple positions, so that the amount they play doesn't depend directly on the availability of one other player.
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surely its about making your team a top team... top teams have at least 3 top quality CB's not only for cover but for options if they want to go 3 at back.
Romero played 35 games last season roughly, and top teams expect to play about 50 odd games a season at least so with a combination of rotation, injuries, suspensions and changing formations you deof need another CB in addition to VDV, its also possible that he is or could become better than both VDV and/or Romero.
this is how you progress teams.
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Its about development of the squad. No one is contesting we don't need another CB but it is far more likely we will get quality if we can offer them more opportunity to play and also in Europe (the 2 go hand in hand).
I would be stunned we would get another £40-50m CB to come sit on our bench. Arsenal got Timber in the summer, but they were hoping to fight on several fronts. We don't have that yet, so it is perhaps natural we wait until we can offer this to a quality CB, rather than make do with someone who is happy to sit on a bench for most of this season...and may prove to be not good enough when called upon in the longer term when we hope to be pushing for success.
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thats you assuming he wouldnt been brought in to be a first choice pick.
I think its very clear that you will be fighting on a few different fronts next year and therefore it could be argued that xmas window is the best time to bed new players and have them settled ahead of what could be a massive season next year.
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posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Christopher huffing glou (U20930)
posted 25 seconds ago
Yep. "come and start game for us when Romero is injured or suspended" is just not an exciting pitch for a player of his quality. Ok maybe he would also play when VDV is unavailable, I don't know how much he's player as a LCB and it seems like Ange wants a left footer there anyway, but the point remains.
What we need is quality depth that can play in multiple positions, so that the amount they play doesn't depend directly on the availability of one other player.
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surely its about making your team a top team... top teams have at least 3 top quality CB's not only for cover but for options if they want to go 3 at back.
Romero played 35 games last season roughly, and top teams expect to play about 50 odd games a season at least so with a combination of rotation, injuries, suspensions and changing formations you deof need another CB in addition to VDV, its also possible that he is or could become better than both VDV and/or Romero.
this is how you progress teams.
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of course, I'm not saying I would prefer to have a weaker squad. I'm saying that unless you're city you can't convince players like that to be depth. You have to be more creative.
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posted 20 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Christopher huffing glou (U20930)
posted 25 seconds ago
Yep. "come and start game for us when Romero is injured or suspended" is just not an exciting pitch for a player of his quality. Ok maybe he would also play when VDV is unavailable, I don't know how much he's player as a LCB and it seems like Ange wants a left footer there anyway, but the point remains.
What we need is quality depth that can play in multiple positions, so that the amount they play doesn't depend directly on the availability of one other player.
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surely its about making your team a top team... top teams have at least 3 top quality CB's not only for cover but for options if they want to go 3 at back.
Romero played 35 games last season roughly, and top teams expect to play about 50 odd games a season at least so with a combination of rotation, injuries, suspensions and changing formations you deof need another CB in addition to VDV, its also possible that he is or could become better than both VDV and/or Romero.
this is how you progress teams.
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of course, I'm not saying I would prefer to have a weaker squad. I'm saying that unless you're city you can't convince players like that to be depth. You have to be more creative.
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convince them they will be 1st choice then, Before seeing VDV this season with you I would have rated Todibo as being the better player
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posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Christopher huffing glou (U20930)
posted 25 seconds ago
Yep. "come and start game for us when Romero is injured or suspended" is just not an exciting pitch for a player of his quality. Ok maybe he would also play when VDV is unavailable, I don't know how much he's player as a LCB and it seems like Ange wants a left footer there anyway, but the point remains.
What we need is quality depth that can play in multiple positions, so that the amount they play doesn't depend directly on the availability of one other player.
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surely its about making your team a top team... top teams have at least 3 top quality CB's not only for cover but for options if they want to go 3 at back.
Romero played 35 games last season roughly, and top teams expect to play about 50 odd games a season at least so with a combination of rotation, injuries, suspensions and changing formations you deof need another CB in addition to VDV, its also possible that he is or could become better than both VDV and/or Romero.
this is how you progress teams.
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100%
You sell it as - come and be better than Romero or VDV and get into the team.
Such a small time mentality.
I think you're just being incredibly unrealistic. He will get offers from bigger clubs, in Europe, to be a nailed on starter, for more money.
It’s not only City that have 3 quality centre backs. Or, god-forbid, 2 strikers.
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posted 3 minutes ago
I think you're just being incredibly unrealistic. He will get offers from bigger clubs, in Europe, to be a nailed on starter, for more money.
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Yeah, I don’t know who this lad is anyway.
But as a principal moving forward we need to learn from buying squad players for the last 10 years when we have a good 11.
I think ideally Spurs need a good left sided CB who can also play LB so they step in whenever VdV or Udogie are out (as opposed to someone like Todibo who would only be competing for a single spot in the first XI).
I don't know who that player is, mind you. But I think it'll be difficult to convince a really good CB to come and rotate/compete for a single spot in the team. It's almost a drawback that VdV has been so good so immediately after joining, because it has made CB arguably the strongest area in the side (and therefore the most difficult to improve, or reinforce without simply buying bench fodder)
Not an easy problem to fix when the ideal solution is that the existing two just stay fit/available
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posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
comment by ●Billy The Spur● LEVY OUT- ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 18 minutes ago
We'll end up with some third choice car crash player in vintage Levy style
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It’s going to be different this time.
He has to back Ange.
He’s stepped away from the football side.
Warchest!
And if he does sign some third choicer, it’s only because we can’t sign good players to sit on the bench. We can’t sign anyone decent because they won’t want to sit on the bench.
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Imagine if Ange left at the end of Jan and simply said he wasn’t backed when he needed it - there would still be absolute devotees to dear leader that would come on here and defend the man.
If I am honest though, I suspect even Levy won’t dare to not buy a CB this window, he knows the crowd will be all over him otherwise and no one’sturning on Ange so it will only be himself getting it. I think his back is truly against the wall this time, he either backs Ange or he doesn’t and probably has to stop attending games for a while
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Lloyd Kelly incoming🤣
There’d be people saying he’s the best we can expect to sit on the bench.
Because nobody gets injured or suspended do they? Or play themselves into the team!
It’s like there could never be any better partnership than VDV and Romero - someone could come in and be better! So small time - we’ve had good first 11s before and look how it always turns out by buying squad players
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I would say the difficultly we have right now is no Europen football. With Europe and domestic cups we could have 60 games a season, so that's 40 games across 3 CBs.
Right now we may just have 40 games this season, so thats little more than 26 starts each and if fit/available VDV and Romero get the bulk of them and dont need to be rested with one game a week.
For this season, I think the new CB either needs to be a bench warmer, or we wait until the summer when we hopefully have europe and will have greater need to rest and rotate next season.
Overall i would prefer it if we played the long game, but that does depend on how serious VDVs injury is. They say New Year but i suspect that could be Feb. If it is then we could lose serious ground in that time. If it is New Year then we stick with what we have, qualify for Europe and will have more money and attraction to bring in a better quality CB. If its longer term then may be we need someone in straight away. I appreciate some will see it differently.
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Risky, we’re in serious danger of not making Europe again because of a threadbare squad - push the boat out now and we might get Europe
comment by AmAngeda Postecogginkiss (U11574)
posted 12 minutes ago
I think ideally Spurs need a good left sided CB who can also play LB so they step in whenever VdV or Udogie are out (as opposed to someone like Todibo who would only be competing for a single spot in the first XI).
I don't know who that player is, mind you. But I think it'll be difficult to convince a really good CB to come and rotate/compete for a single spot in the team. It's almost a drawback that VdV has been so good so immediately after joining, because it has made CB arguably the strongest area in the side (and therefore the most difficult to improve, or reinforce without simply buying bench fodder)
Not an easy problem to fix when the ideal solution is that the existing two just stay fit/available
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That other player is Guehi at Palace - how do you sell it to him, you get into Europe and point out how much Ange likes using subs. Get into the Champions league, does Guehi fancy a bit of that, I bet he does.
A player that needs convincing isn’t the right player anyway - Brennan Johnson didn’t schitt his pants about Kulu, Porro didn’t about Royal
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posted 3 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by AmAngeda Postecogginkiss (U11574)
posted 12 minutes ago
I think ideally Spurs need a good left sided CB who can also play LB so they step in whenever VdV or Udogie are out (as opposed to someone like Todibo who would only be competing for a single spot in the first XI).
I don't know who that player is, mind you. But I think it'll be difficult to convince a really good CB to come and rotate/compete for a single spot in the team. It's almost a drawback that VdV has been so good so immediately after joining, because it has made CB arguably the strongest area in the side (and therefore the most difficult to improve, or reinforce without simply buying bench fodder)
Not an easy problem to fix when the ideal solution is that the existing two just stay fit/available
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That other player is Guehi at Palace - how do you sell it to him, you get into Europe and point out how much Ange likes using subs. Get into the Champions league, does Guehi fancy a bit of that, I bet he does.
A player that needs convincing isn’t the right player anyway - Brennan Johnson didn’t schitt his pants about Kulu, Porro didn’t about Royal
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Totally agree.
Gutted we didn’t get Tapsoba and VDV in the summer
Arsenal's backup CBs last season, which I'm citing specifically because this was the squad they managed to construct prior to establishing themselves as a team that could challenge for major honours, were Rob Holding who they signed from Bolton, Pablo Mari who they signed from the Brazilian league and 22 year old Kiwior who they signed from Spezia who got related from Serie A. Their backup RB was Tomiyasu who they signed from Bologna and their backup LB was Kieran Tierney who they signed from Celtic.
the idea that the expectation for a team in our current position should be to go out and spend 50 million a pop on established players to sit on our bench because 'that's what top teams do' is just a nonsense. Right now we need to be looking for promising young players who are undervalued
people just set ridiculously high expectations so they can have another excuse to moan about levy.
comment by Christopher huffing glou (U20930)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
Arsenal's backup CBs last season, which I'm citing specifically because this was the squad they managed to construct prior to establishing themselves as a team that could challenge for major honours, were Rob Holding who they signed from Bolton, Pablo Mari who they signed from the Brazilian league and 22 year old Kiwior who they signed from Spezia who got related from Serie A. Their backup RB was Tomiyasu who they signed from Bologna and their backup LB was Kieran Tierney who they signed from Celtic.
the idea that the expectation for a team in our current position should be to go out and spend 50 million a pop on established players to sit on our bench because 'that's what top teams do' is just a nonsense. Right now we need to be looking for promising young players who are undervalued
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Transfer fee isn’t a problem, it can be a free for all I care, what’s important is ensuring we have more than 2 out and out CB’s the manager is willing to use - something Levy failed to address this summer.
I don’t care if they come from a pub side, if it’s who Ange wants then that’s fine by me - it’s clear he doesn’t faaaacking want Dire and who can blame him.
Some on here will defend Levy to their dying breath and will at some point turn on Ange, it will never be Levy’s fault in their eyes despite all the evidence to the contrary - it’s sad, because Levy couldn’t give a faaaack about them
comment by Christopher huffing glou (U20930)
posted 9 hours, 23 minutes ago
people just set ridiculously high expectations so they can have another excuse to moan about levy.
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I’m not sure having three top CBs at a supposedly big Premier League club is ridiculously high expectations.
We are still dealing with the hangover of multiple bad buys. Still got dead wood clogging up squad places.
And IMO we’ve added Richarlison and possibly Johnson to that list as well. I’m praying to god I’m wrong about Johnson.
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comment by Christopher huffing glou (U20930)
posted 9 hours, 23 minutes ago
people just set ridiculously high expectations so they can have another excuse to moan about levy.
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I’m not sure having three top CBs at a supposedly big Premier League club is ridiculously high expectations.
We are still dealing with the hangover of multiple bad buys. Still got dead wood clogging up squad places.
And IMO we’ve added Richarlison and possibly Johnson to that list as well. I’m praying to god I’m wrong about Johnson.
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I think Johnson will be fine, just finding his feet. The lads speed will mean he will be a dangerous player if nothing else. Very young still aswell - no worries from me about him.
As for another decent CB, if we pay up then one will come.
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posted on 29/11/23
He wouldn't start our biggest games with everyone available. Romero is our vice captain and had been one of our best performing players up to the Chelsea game.
He's not gonna come here to fight for 20 or 25 starts a season when he could go and start 45 games somewhere else and make more money
posted on 29/11/23
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
comment by ●Billy The Spur● LEVY OUT- ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 18 minutes ago
We'll end up with some third choice car crash player in vintage Levy style
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It’s going to be different this time.
He has to back Ange.
He’s stepped away from the football side.
Warchest!
And if he does sign some third choicer, it’s only because we can’t sign good players to sit on the bench. We can’t sign anyone decent because they won’t want to sit on the bench.
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Imagine if Ange left at the end of Jan and simply said he wasn’t backed when he needed it - there would still be absolute devotees to dear leader that would come on here and defend the man.
If I am honest though, I suspect even Levy won’t dare to not buy a CB this window, he knows the crowd will be all over him otherwise and no one’sturning on Ange so it will only be himself getting it. I think his back is truly against the wall this time, he either backs Ange or he doesn’t and probably has to stop attending games for a while
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Lloyd Kelly incoming🤣
There’d be people saying he’s the best we can expect to sit on the bench.
Because nobody gets injured or suspended do they? Or play themselves into the team!
It’s like there could never be any better partnership than VDV and Romero - someone could come in and be better! So small time - we’ve had good first 11s before and look how it always turns out by buying squad players
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I would say the difficultly we have right now is no Europen football. With Europe and domestic cups we could have 60 games a season, so that's 40 games across 3 CBs.
Right now we may just have 40 games this season, so thats little more than 26 starts each and if fit/available VDV and Romero get the bulk of them and dont need to be rested with one game a week.
For this season, I think the new CB either needs to be a bench warmer, or we wait until the summer when we hopefully have europe and will have greater need to rest and rotate next season.
Overall i would prefer it if we played the long game, but that does depend on how serious VDVs injury is. They say New Year but i suspect that could be Feb. If it is then we could lose serious ground in that time. If it is New Year then we stick with what we have, qualify for Europe and will have more money and attraction to bring in a better quality CB. If its longer term then may be we need someone in straight away. I appreciate some will see it differently.
posted on 29/11/23
comment by Christopher huffing glou (U20930)
posted 8 minutes ago
He wouldn't start our biggest games with everyone available. Romero is our vice captain and had been one of our best performing players up to the Chelsea game.
He's not gonna come here to fight for 20 or 25 starts a season when he could go and start 45 games somewhere else and make more money
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Got to think he'd probably choose United over Spurs at the moment. Probably get paid more and be a guaranteed starter.
United would probably ruin him too but I'm sure the cash would soften the blow
posted on 29/11/23
Yep. "come and start game for us when Romero is injured or suspended" is just not an exciting pitch for a player of his quality. Ok maybe he would also play when VDV is unavailable, I don't know how much he's player as a LCB and it seems like Ange wants a left footer there anyway, but the point remains.
What we need is quality depth that can play in multiple positions, so that the amount they play doesn't depend directly on the availability of one other player.
posted on 29/11/23
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Bill Nick (U23088)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by Bill Nick (U23088)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
what's the question?
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Todibo
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call the whole thing off?
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I very nearly went with “much Todibo nothing” but thought better of it
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posted on 29/11/23
comment by Christopher huffing glou (U20930)
posted 25 seconds ago
Yep. "come and start game for us when Romero is injured or suspended" is just not an exciting pitch for a player of his quality. Ok maybe he would also play when VDV is unavailable, I don't know how much he's player as a LCB and it seems like Ange wants a left footer there anyway, but the point remains.
What we need is quality depth that can play in multiple positions, so that the amount they play doesn't depend directly on the availability of one other player.
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surely its about making your team a top team... top teams have at least 3 top quality CB's not only for cover but for options if they want to go 3 at back.
Romero played 35 games last season roughly, and top teams expect to play about 50 odd games a season at least so with a combination of rotation, injuries, suspensions and changing formations you deof need another CB in addition to VDV, its also possible that he is or could become better than both VDV and/or Romero.
this is how you progress teams.
posted on 29/11/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Christopher huffing glou (U20930)
posted 25 seconds ago
Yep. "come and start game for us when Romero is injured or suspended" is just not an exciting pitch for a player of his quality. Ok maybe he would also play when VDV is unavailable, I don't know how much he's player as a LCB and it seems like Ange wants a left footer there anyway, but the point remains.
What we need is quality depth that can play in multiple positions, so that the amount they play doesn't depend directly on the availability of one other player.
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surely its about making your team a top team... top teams have at least 3 top quality CB's not only for cover but for options if they want to go 3 at back.
Romero played 35 games last season roughly, and top teams expect to play about 50 odd games a season at least so with a combination of rotation, injuries, suspensions and changing formations you deof need another CB in addition to VDV, its also possible that he is or could become better than both VDV and/or Romero.
this is how you progress teams.
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Its about development of the squad. No one is contesting we don't need another CB but it is far more likely we will get quality if we can offer them more opportunity to play and also in Europe (the 2 go hand in hand).
I would be stunned we would get another £40-50m CB to come sit on our bench. Arsenal got Timber in the summer, but they were hoping to fight on several fronts. We don't have that yet, so it is perhaps natural we wait until we can offer this to a quality CB, rather than make do with someone who is happy to sit on a bench for most of this season...and may prove to be not good enough when called upon in the longer term when we hope to be pushing for success.
posted on 29/11/23
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Christopher huffing glou (U20930)
posted 25 seconds ago
Yep. "come and start game for us when Romero is injured or suspended" is just not an exciting pitch for a player of his quality. Ok maybe he would also play when VDV is unavailable, I don't know how much he's player as a LCB and it seems like Ange wants a left footer there anyway, but the point remains.
What we need is quality depth that can play in multiple positions, so that the amount they play doesn't depend directly on the availability of one other player.
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surely its about making your team a top team... top teams have at least 3 top quality CB's not only for cover but for options if they want to go 3 at back.
Romero played 35 games last season roughly, and top teams expect to play about 50 odd games a season at least so with a combination of rotation, injuries, suspensions and changing formations you deof need another CB in addition to VDV, its also possible that he is or could become better than both VDV and/or Romero.
this is how you progress teams.
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Its about development of the squad. No one is contesting we don't need another CB but it is far more likely we will get quality if we can offer them more opportunity to play and also in Europe (the 2 go hand in hand).
I would be stunned we would get another £40-50m CB to come sit on our bench. Arsenal got Timber in the summer, but they were hoping to fight on several fronts. We don't have that yet, so it is perhaps natural we wait until we can offer this to a quality CB, rather than make do with someone who is happy to sit on a bench for most of this season...and may prove to be not good enough when called upon in the longer term when we hope to be pushing for success.
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thats you assuming he wouldnt been brought in to be a first choice pick.
I think its very clear that you will be fighting on a few different fronts next year and therefore it could be argued that xmas window is the best time to bed new players and have them settled ahead of what could be a massive season next year.
posted on 29/11/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Christopher huffing glou (U20930)
posted 25 seconds ago
Yep. "come and start game for us when Romero is injured or suspended" is just not an exciting pitch for a player of his quality. Ok maybe he would also play when VDV is unavailable, I don't know how much he's player as a LCB and it seems like Ange wants a left footer there anyway, but the point remains.
What we need is quality depth that can play in multiple positions, so that the amount they play doesn't depend directly on the availability of one other player.
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surely its about making your team a top team... top teams have at least 3 top quality CB's not only for cover but for options if they want to go 3 at back.
Romero played 35 games last season roughly, and top teams expect to play about 50 odd games a season at least so with a combination of rotation, injuries, suspensions and changing formations you deof need another CB in addition to VDV, its also possible that he is or could become better than both VDV and/or Romero.
this is how you progress teams.
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of course, I'm not saying I would prefer to have a weaker squad. I'm saying that unless you're city you can't convince players like that to be depth. You have to be more creative.
posted on 29/11/23
comment by Christopher huffing glou (U20930)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Christopher huffing glou (U20930)
posted 25 seconds ago
Yep. "come and start game for us when Romero is injured or suspended" is just not an exciting pitch for a player of his quality. Ok maybe he would also play when VDV is unavailable, I don't know how much he's player as a LCB and it seems like Ange wants a left footer there anyway, but the point remains.
What we need is quality depth that can play in multiple positions, so that the amount they play doesn't depend directly on the availability of one other player.
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surely its about making your team a top team... top teams have at least 3 top quality CB's not only for cover but for options if they want to go 3 at back.
Romero played 35 games last season roughly, and top teams expect to play about 50 odd games a season at least so with a combination of rotation, injuries, suspensions and changing formations you deof need another CB in addition to VDV, its also possible that he is or could become better than both VDV and/or Romero.
this is how you progress teams.
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of course, I'm not saying I would prefer to have a weaker squad. I'm saying that unless you're city you can't convince players like that to be depth. You have to be more creative.
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convince them they will be 1st choice then, Before seeing VDV this season with you I would have rated Todibo as being the better player
posted on 29/11/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Christopher huffing glou (U20930)
posted 25 seconds ago
Yep. "come and start game for us when Romero is injured or suspended" is just not an exciting pitch for a player of his quality. Ok maybe he would also play when VDV is unavailable, I don't know how much he's player as a LCB and it seems like Ange wants a left footer there anyway, but the point remains.
What we need is quality depth that can play in multiple positions, so that the amount they play doesn't depend directly on the availability of one other player.
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surely its about making your team a top team... top teams have at least 3 top quality CB's not only for cover but for options if they want to go 3 at back.
Romero played 35 games last season roughly, and top teams expect to play about 50 odd games a season at least so with a combination of rotation, injuries, suspensions and changing formations you deof need another CB in addition to VDV, its also possible that he is or could become better than both VDV and/or Romero.
this is how you progress teams.
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100%
You sell it as - come and be better than Romero or VDV and get into the team.
Such a small time mentality.
posted on 29/11/23
I think you're just being incredibly unrealistic. He will get offers from bigger clubs, in Europe, to be a nailed on starter, for more money.
posted on 29/11/23
It’s not only City that have 3 quality centre backs. Or, god-forbid, 2 strikers.
posted on 29/11/23
comment by Christopher huffing glou (U20930)
posted 3 minutes ago
I think you're just being incredibly unrealistic. He will get offers from bigger clubs, in Europe, to be a nailed on starter, for more money.
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Yeah, I don’t know who this lad is anyway.
But as a principal moving forward we need to learn from buying squad players for the last 10 years when we have a good 11.
posted on 29/11/23
I think ideally Spurs need a good left sided CB who can also play LB so they step in whenever VdV or Udogie are out (as opposed to someone like Todibo who would only be competing for a single spot in the first XI).
I don't know who that player is, mind you. But I think it'll be difficult to convince a really good CB to come and rotate/compete for a single spot in the team. It's almost a drawback that VdV has been so good so immediately after joining, because it has made CB arguably the strongest area in the side (and therefore the most difficult to improve, or reinforce without simply buying bench fodder)
Not an easy problem to fix when the ideal solution is that the existing two just stay fit/available
posted on 29/11/23
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
comment by ●Billy The Spur● LEVY OUT- ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 18 minutes ago
We'll end up with some third choice car crash player in vintage Levy style
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It’s going to be different this time.
He has to back Ange.
He’s stepped away from the football side.
Warchest!
And if he does sign some third choicer, it’s only because we can’t sign good players to sit on the bench. We can’t sign anyone decent because they won’t want to sit on the bench.
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Imagine if Ange left at the end of Jan and simply said he wasn’t backed when he needed it - there would still be absolute devotees to dear leader that would come on here and defend the man.
If I am honest though, I suspect even Levy won’t dare to not buy a CB this window, he knows the crowd will be all over him otherwise and no one’sturning on Ange so it will only be himself getting it. I think his back is truly against the wall this time, he either backs Ange or he doesn’t and probably has to stop attending games for a while
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Lloyd Kelly incoming🤣
There’d be people saying he’s the best we can expect to sit on the bench.
Because nobody gets injured or suspended do they? Or play themselves into the team!
It’s like there could never be any better partnership than VDV and Romero - someone could come in and be better! So small time - we’ve had good first 11s before and look how it always turns out by buying squad players
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I would say the difficultly we have right now is no Europen football. With Europe and domestic cups we could have 60 games a season, so that's 40 games across 3 CBs.
Right now we may just have 40 games this season, so thats little more than 26 starts each and if fit/available VDV and Romero get the bulk of them and dont need to be rested with one game a week.
For this season, I think the new CB either needs to be a bench warmer, or we wait until the summer when we hopefully have europe and will have greater need to rest and rotate next season.
Overall i would prefer it if we played the long game, but that does depend on how serious VDVs injury is. They say New Year but i suspect that could be Feb. If it is then we could lose serious ground in that time. If it is New Year then we stick with what we have, qualify for Europe and will have more money and attraction to bring in a better quality CB. If its longer term then may be we need someone in straight away. I appreciate some will see it differently.
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Risky, we’re in serious danger of not making Europe again because of a threadbare squad - push the boat out now and we might get Europe
posted on 29/11/23
comment by AmAngeda Postecogginkiss (U11574)
posted 12 minutes ago
I think ideally Spurs need a good left sided CB who can also play LB so they step in whenever VdV or Udogie are out (as opposed to someone like Todibo who would only be competing for a single spot in the first XI).
I don't know who that player is, mind you. But I think it'll be difficult to convince a really good CB to come and rotate/compete for a single spot in the team. It's almost a drawback that VdV has been so good so immediately after joining, because it has made CB arguably the strongest area in the side (and therefore the most difficult to improve, or reinforce without simply buying bench fodder)
Not an easy problem to fix when the ideal solution is that the existing two just stay fit/available
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That other player is Guehi at Palace - how do you sell it to him, you get into Europe and point out how much Ange likes using subs. Get into the Champions league, does Guehi fancy a bit of that, I bet he does.
A player that needs convincing isn’t the right player anyway - Brennan Johnson didn’t schitt his pants about Kulu, Porro didn’t about Royal
posted on 29/11/23
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 3 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by AmAngeda Postecogginkiss (U11574)
posted 12 minutes ago
I think ideally Spurs need a good left sided CB who can also play LB so they step in whenever VdV or Udogie are out (as opposed to someone like Todibo who would only be competing for a single spot in the first XI).
I don't know who that player is, mind you. But I think it'll be difficult to convince a really good CB to come and rotate/compete for a single spot in the team. It's almost a drawback that VdV has been so good so immediately after joining, because it has made CB arguably the strongest area in the side (and therefore the most difficult to improve, or reinforce without simply buying bench fodder)
Not an easy problem to fix when the ideal solution is that the existing two just stay fit/available
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That other player is Guehi at Palace - how do you sell it to him, you get into Europe and point out how much Ange likes using subs. Get into the Champions league, does Guehi fancy a bit of that, I bet he does.
A player that needs convincing isn’t the right player anyway - Brennan Johnson didn’t schitt his pants about Kulu, Porro didn’t about Royal
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Totally agree.
posted on 29/11/23
Gutted we didn’t get Tapsoba and VDV in the summer
posted on 29/11/23
Arsenal's backup CBs last season, which I'm citing specifically because this was the squad they managed to construct prior to establishing themselves as a team that could challenge for major honours, were Rob Holding who they signed from Bolton, Pablo Mari who they signed from the Brazilian league and 22 year old Kiwior who they signed from Spezia who got related from Serie A. Their backup RB was Tomiyasu who they signed from Bologna and their backup LB was Kieran Tierney who they signed from Celtic.
the idea that the expectation for a team in our current position should be to go out and spend 50 million a pop on established players to sit on our bench because 'that's what top teams do' is just a nonsense. Right now we need to be looking for promising young players who are undervalued
posted on 29/11/23
people just set ridiculously high expectations so they can have another excuse to moan about levy.
posted on 29/11/23
comment by Christopher huffing glou (U20930)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
Arsenal's backup CBs last season, which I'm citing specifically because this was the squad they managed to construct prior to establishing themselves as a team that could challenge for major honours, were Rob Holding who they signed from Bolton, Pablo Mari who they signed from the Brazilian league and 22 year old Kiwior who they signed from Spezia who got related from Serie A. Their backup RB was Tomiyasu who they signed from Bologna and their backup LB was Kieran Tierney who they signed from Celtic.
the idea that the expectation for a team in our current position should be to go out and spend 50 million a pop on established players to sit on our bench because 'that's what top teams do' is just a nonsense. Right now we need to be looking for promising young players who are undervalued
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Transfer fee isn’t a problem, it can be a free for all I care, what’s important is ensuring we have more than 2 out and out CB’s the manager is willing to use - something Levy failed to address this summer.
I don’t care if they come from a pub side, if it’s who Ange wants then that’s fine by me - it’s clear he doesn’t faaaacking want Dire and who can blame him.
Some on here will defend Levy to their dying breath and will at some point turn on Ange, it will never be Levy’s fault in their eyes despite all the evidence to the contrary - it’s sad, because Levy couldn’t give a faaaack about them
posted on 30/11/23
comment by Christopher huffing glou (U20930)
posted 9 hours, 23 minutes ago
people just set ridiculously high expectations so they can have another excuse to moan about levy.
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I’m not sure having three top CBs at a supposedly big Premier League club is ridiculously high expectations.
We are still dealing with the hangover of multiple bad buys. Still got dead wood clogging up squad places.
And IMO we’ve added Richarlison and possibly Johnson to that list as well. I’m praying to god I’m wrong about Johnson.
posted on 30/11/23
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Christopher huffing glou (U20930)
posted 9 hours, 23 minutes ago
people just set ridiculously high expectations so they can have another excuse to moan about levy.
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I’m not sure having three top CBs at a supposedly big Premier League club is ridiculously high expectations.
We are still dealing with the hangover of multiple bad buys. Still got dead wood clogging up squad places.
And IMO we’ve added Richarlison and possibly Johnson to that list as well. I’m praying to god I’m wrong about Johnson.
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I think Johnson will be fine, just finding his feet. The lads speed will mean he will be a dangerous player if nothing else. Very young still aswell - no worries from me about him.
As for another decent CB, if we pay up then one will come.
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