Arguably one of the worst prem signings of all time.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
I mean, he had someone at Dortmund to come and wake him up lol
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And we chased this cant for 2 summers paying 70 + mill
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The funny thing is we'd have got him sooner had we just bought an alarm clock.
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You snooze you lose
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
I mean, he had someone at Dortmund to come and wake him up lol
___________
And we chased this cant for 2 summers paying 70 + mill
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The funny thing is we'd have got him sooner had we just bought an alarm clock.
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You snooze you lose
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Sancho snoozed United lost
Players generally don’t have the mental resolve these days that they used to
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This is a widely held view, but I wonder how true it is. The game is more athletically demanding now than ever before - more matches, more miles run per match, more sprints at higher intensity - so it requires greater commitment to physical preparation to merely take part, let alone stand out from the crowd. The scrutiny, media exposure and social media visibility of players is like nothing we saw a generation ago. Ex-players who complain about the soft mentality of current ones were never tested, either physically or in terms of the noise around the game, in the way today's are. Certainly there were players we revere from that era who wouldn't make it in the professional game today if they led the same lifestyle. Think of Le Tissier's mobility and work-rate. Think of the number of players who enjoyed a few beers (compared with the many today who are teetotal for professional reasons). From a certain perspective, I think today's players are on average more professional and more dedicated than their predecessors.
One thing that has shifted, I think, is that younger people are more sceptical about hierarchy, and therefore (for better or worse) more resistant to taking orders from superiors without question.
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I mean, he had someone at Dortmund to come and wake him up lol
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Has this been confirmed, because that would be an outrageous thing to miss from the scouting team?
And to think, which profession could you continuously turn up late for and keep your job?
And to think, which profession could you continuously turn up late for and keep your job?
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plumber
Footballers have way too much power in the current game.
We all know he's going to go back to Dortmund on loan again next season whilst we pay a good chuck of his
wages. We can find any buyer we choose in the summer but if he refuses to sign for them we have to honour his contract. Then left with two choices....keep him at the club which won't happen because he's be a huge distraction or allow him to go back to Dortmund again on loan.
Absolutely stinks and sadly the club have made this a reality with ridiculous wage policy and also hiring a manager who can't handle big name players.
I mean our scouting team didn't even bother to check where he plays when we bought him for the RW. He previously played far more on the left and has supposedly be vocal about prefering to play on the left. You'd think we would check weather the player is actually any good on the right before splashing that kind of money, but then again we spent even more on Antony who is barely a footballer.
Players generally don’t have the mental resolve these days that they used to
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This is a widely held view, but I wonder how true it is.
…….
Going by my own kids and their friends of Sancho’s age I would say it is very true.
Russian
I think you're right about the difference between footballers then and now, today they're athletes more than anything who's lives are scrutinised far more than ever before. But like SE85 just said, today's footballers simply have way more power and influence, I guess the Bosman ruling made a huge difference there.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 8 minutes ago
Players generally don’t have the mental resolve these days that they used to
--------------------------------------------------------------
This is a widely held view, but I wonder how true it is. The game is more athletically demanding now than ever before - more matches, more miles run per match, more sprints at higher intensity - so it requires greater commitment to physical preparation to merely take part, let alone stand out from the crowd. The scrutiny, media exposure and social media visibility of players is like nothing we saw a generation ago. Ex-players who complain about the soft mentality of current ones were never tested, either physically or in terms of the noise around the game, in the way today's are. Certainly there were players we revere from that era who wouldn't make it in the professional game today if they led the same lifestyle. Think of Le Tissier's mobility and work-rate. Think of the number of players who enjoyed a few beers (compared with the many today who are teetotal for professional reasons). From a certain perspective, I think today's players are on average more professional and more dedicated than their predecessors.
One thing that has shifted, I think, is that younger people are more sceptical about hierarchy, and therefore (for better or worse) more resistant to taking orders from superiors without question.
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Valid points about media scrutiny and scepticism about hierarchies but the rest is about professionalism.
Sancho is an extreme example and perhaps my views are skewed due to our current crop of players but they don’t seem to have that warrior attitude as much anymore.
When players like Roy Keane were in their mid-teens they were cleaning boots, climbing their way up the ladder. These days at 16,17,18 they’re multimillionaires with huge egos and less character.
Professional? On the whole, sure.
But mental resolve? Nah I’ll stick with previous decades/eras
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
I mean, he had someone at Dortmund to come and wake him up lol
___________
And we chased this cant for 2 summers paying 70 + mill
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The funny thing is we'd have got him sooner had we just bought an alarm clock.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You snooze you lose
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Sancho snoozed United lost
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He did say it was his dream move
The sad thing is that I think Sancho could have thrived on our right hand side with Rasmus in the team. Even as poor as he was he was far more productive than Antony.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
The sad thing is that I think Sancho could have thrived on our right hand side with Rasmus in the team. Even as poor as he was he was far more productive than Antony.
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I'm not comparing Hojlund to Haaland of course but Sancho did have form with doing well with a big, quick, centre forward. As you say it's a shame but sometimes it just doesn't work out does it.
I want him to do well because I enjoy watching him when he’s on form and I’m also an England fan.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 hours, 2 minutes ago
How are Dortmund now? Last time he had Haaland to supply and Bellingham too but I'm not really sure who their good players are now? They're 5th in the league but also topped a tough CL group.
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Tbf he was arguably better before they joined the club. But whether he has what it takes to get back to anything close to that level remains to be seen.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 hours, 25 minutes ago
Good riddance. Hopefully he grows up and see where he's messed up although sadly I feel like he'll never accept any wrong doing on his part.
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He's not the first major flop at United, is he? Big signing after big signing has flopped at United. Will United ever accept any wrong doing on their part?
Will United ever accept any wrong doing on their part?
……..
Pretty sure Ineos have already made that clear.
comment by (K̇ash) - Liverpool 7-0 Man U - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 2 hours, 57 minutes ago
You must still be paying 50% if not more of his madness wages?
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No idea, what I saw yesterday said we were paying 100k and Dortmund the rest, which I guess is around 150k.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
Will United ever accept any wrong doing on their part?
……..
Pretty sure Ineos have already made that clear.
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Fair enough. My point is that surely there must be some other reason for players flopping at United. You can't keep blaming the players. Sometimes it's the player but at this point the club also have to look at themselves.
You can't keep blaming the players.
…..
We have been blaming the set up at United for over a decade.
United fans are generally very honest about the club and it's dealing I find. Nearly everyone is in an agreement and we don't make excuses about it.
Sadly the only people who have actually mattered are either unaware how useless they are because of the bubble they operate in
Or they just don't care .....
So not only are we only able to bring players in via loan atm, we also have to loan players out that are not needed, unable to sell. So all this protecting their value is rubbish as they can't even make any money out of them. Absolute footballing and financial geniuses we have running the club...not.
Next 3-4 years are going to be painful whilst the club finally wakes up and gets a proper strategy in place. This isn't an easy fix.
The Mark Goldbridge generation don't seem to grasp how football finances actually work. Their solution is 'sell them' despite the fact for a lot of players that's almost impossible. Nobody is going to match their wages so why would the player choose to lower their demands to help out the club?
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posted on 10/1/24
Arguably one of the worst prem signings of all time.
posted on 10/1/24
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
I mean, he had someone at Dortmund to come and wake him up lol
___________
And we chased this cant for 2 summers paying 70 + mill
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The funny thing is we'd have got him sooner had we just bought an alarm clock.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You snooze you lose
posted on 10/1/24
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
I mean, he had someone at Dortmund to come and wake him up lol
___________
And we chased this cant for 2 summers paying 70 + mill
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The funny thing is we'd have got him sooner had we just bought an alarm clock.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You snooze you lose
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sancho snoozed United lost
posted on 10/1/24
Players generally don’t have the mental resolve these days that they used to
--------------------------------------------------------------
This is a widely held view, but I wonder how true it is. The game is more athletically demanding now than ever before - more matches, more miles run per match, more sprints at higher intensity - so it requires greater commitment to physical preparation to merely take part, let alone stand out from the crowd. The scrutiny, media exposure and social media visibility of players is like nothing we saw a generation ago. Ex-players who complain about the soft mentality of current ones were never tested, either physically or in terms of the noise around the game, in the way today's are. Certainly there were players we revere from that era who wouldn't make it in the professional game today if they led the same lifestyle. Think of Le Tissier's mobility and work-rate. Think of the number of players who enjoyed a few beers (compared with the many today who are teetotal for professional reasons). From a certain perspective, I think today's players are on average more professional and more dedicated than their predecessors.
One thing that has shifted, I think, is that younger people are more sceptical about hierarchy, and therefore (for better or worse) more resistant to taking orders from superiors without question.
posted on 10/1/24
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I mean, he had someone at Dortmund to come and wake him up lol
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Has this been confirmed, because that would be an outrageous thing to miss from the scouting team?
And to think, which profession could you continuously turn up late for and keep your job?
posted on 10/1/24
And to think, which profession could you continuously turn up late for and keep your job?
----
plumber
posted on 10/1/24
Footballers have way too much power in the current game.
We all know he's going to go back to Dortmund on loan again next season whilst we pay a good chuck of his
wages. We can find any buyer we choose in the summer but if he refuses to sign for them we have to honour his contract. Then left with two choices....keep him at the club which won't happen because he's be a huge distraction or allow him to go back to Dortmund again on loan.
Absolutely stinks and sadly the club have made this a reality with ridiculous wage policy and also hiring a manager who can't handle big name players.
posted on 10/1/24
I mean our scouting team didn't even bother to check where he plays when we bought him for the RW. He previously played far more on the left and has supposedly be vocal about prefering to play on the left. You'd think we would check weather the player is actually any good on the right before splashing that kind of money, but then again we spent even more on Antony who is barely a footballer.
posted on 10/1/24
Players generally don’t have the mental resolve these days that they used to
--------------------------------------------------------------
This is a widely held view, but I wonder how true it is.
…….
Going by my own kids and their friends of Sancho’s age I would say it is very true.
posted on 10/1/24
Russian
I think you're right about the difference between footballers then and now, today they're athletes more than anything who's lives are scrutinised far more than ever before. But like SE85 just said, today's footballers simply have way more power and influence, I guess the Bosman ruling made a huge difference there.
posted on 10/1/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 8 minutes ago
Players generally don’t have the mental resolve these days that they used to
--------------------------------------------------------------
This is a widely held view, but I wonder how true it is. The game is more athletically demanding now than ever before - more matches, more miles run per match, more sprints at higher intensity - so it requires greater commitment to physical preparation to merely take part, let alone stand out from the crowd. The scrutiny, media exposure and social media visibility of players is like nothing we saw a generation ago. Ex-players who complain about the soft mentality of current ones were never tested, either physically or in terms of the noise around the game, in the way today's are. Certainly there were players we revere from that era who wouldn't make it in the professional game today if they led the same lifestyle. Think of Le Tissier's mobility and work-rate. Think of the number of players who enjoyed a few beers (compared with the many today who are teetotal for professional reasons). From a certain perspective, I think today's players are on average more professional and more dedicated than their predecessors.
One thing that has shifted, I think, is that younger people are more sceptical about hierarchy, and therefore (for better or worse) more resistant to taking orders from superiors without question.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Valid points about media scrutiny and scepticism about hierarchies but the rest is about professionalism.
Sancho is an extreme example and perhaps my views are skewed due to our current crop of players but they don’t seem to have that warrior attitude as much anymore.
When players like Roy Keane were in their mid-teens they were cleaning boots, climbing their way up the ladder. These days at 16,17,18 they’re multimillionaires with huge egos and less character.
Professional? On the whole, sure.
But mental resolve? Nah I’ll stick with previous decades/eras
posted on 10/1/24
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
I mean, he had someone at Dortmund to come and wake him up lol
___________
And we chased this cant for 2 summers paying 70 + mill
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The funny thing is we'd have got him sooner had we just bought an alarm clock.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You snooze you lose
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sancho snoozed United lost
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He did say it was his dream move
posted on 10/1/24
The sad thing is that I think Sancho could have thrived on our right hand side with Rasmus in the team. Even as poor as he was he was far more productive than Antony.
posted on 10/1/24
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
The sad thing is that I think Sancho could have thrived on our right hand side with Rasmus in the team. Even as poor as he was he was far more productive than Antony.
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I'm not comparing Hojlund to Haaland of course but Sancho did have form with doing well with a big, quick, centre forward. As you say it's a shame but sometimes it just doesn't work out does it.
posted on 10/1/24
I want him to do well because I enjoy watching him when he’s on form and I’m also an England fan.
posted on 10/1/24
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 hours, 2 minutes ago
How are Dortmund now? Last time he had Haaland to supply and Bellingham too but I'm not really sure who their good players are now? They're 5th in the league but also topped a tough CL group.
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Tbf he was arguably better before they joined the club. But whether he has what it takes to get back to anything close to that level remains to be seen.
posted on 10/1/24
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 hours, 25 minutes ago
Good riddance. Hopefully he grows up and see where he's messed up although sadly I feel like he'll never accept any wrong doing on his part.
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He's not the first major flop at United, is he? Big signing after big signing has flopped at United. Will United ever accept any wrong doing on their part?
posted on 10/1/24
Will United ever accept any wrong doing on their part?
……..
Pretty sure Ineos have already made that clear.
posted on 10/1/24
comment by (K̇ash) - Liverpool 7-0 Man U - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 2 hours, 57 minutes ago
You must still be paying 50% if not more of his madness wages?
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No idea, what I saw yesterday said we were paying 100k and Dortmund the rest, which I guess is around 150k.
posted on 10/1/24
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
Will United ever accept any wrong doing on their part?
……..
Pretty sure Ineos have already made that clear.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fair enough. My point is that surely there must be some other reason for players flopping at United. You can't keep blaming the players. Sometimes it's the player but at this point the club also have to look at themselves.
posted on 10/1/24
You can't keep blaming the players.
…..
We have been blaming the set up at United for over a decade.
posted on 10/1/24
United fans are generally very honest about the club and it's dealing I find. Nearly everyone is in an agreement and we don't make excuses about it.
Sadly the only people who have actually mattered are either unaware how useless they are because of the bubble they operate in
posted on 10/1/24
Or they just don't care .....
posted on 10/1/24
So not only are we only able to bring players in via loan atm, we also have to loan players out that are not needed, unable to sell. So all this protecting their value is rubbish as they can't even make any money out of them. Absolute footballing and financial geniuses we have running the club...not.
posted on 10/1/24
Next 3-4 years are going to be painful whilst the club finally wakes up and gets a proper strategy in place. This isn't an easy fix.
The Mark Goldbridge generation don't seem to grasp how football finances actually work. Their solution is 'sell them' despite the fact for a lot of players that's almost impossible. Nobody is going to match their wages so why would the player choose to lower their demands to help out the club?
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