Until ETH learns that you can not play any premiership team with essentially ten men on the field then teams will continue to waltz through us.
Forget patterns of play or style of play, they are not that big a picture for now.
We need to match up teams in the midfield to stop them controlling games.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
Until ETH learns that you can not play any premiership team with essentially ten men on the field then teams will continue to waltz through us.
Forget patterns of play or style of play, they are not that big a picture for now.
We need to match up teams in the midfield to stop them controlling games.
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Pretty much this we rarely, if ever have any control in the midfield and teams appear to waltz through us and often the only ball to the forwards is a 30-40m pass over the top of their heads, whether it needs a different set up or new player/s we do need more from the CM imo
From BBC:
Former Arsenal striker Ian Wright has urged Manchester United manager Erik ten Hag to allow 18-year-old midfielder Kobbie Mainoo to play with more freedom.
"Give him the keys, because when you look at they way he plays, his calmness, his maturity for his age, the positions he picks up, he’s somebody now," Wright told BBC's Match of the Day 2.
"I’m looking at Manchester United still playing counter-attacking football at home when you’ve got a player in midfield that can progress the ball and play the ball with such calmness, such fluidity. I’d love to see Mainoo where he’s in a situation where he’s then able to get the ball and just put it forward.
"At some stage, just let him play, let him be the orchestrator - progressing the ball and getting the ball and playing the ball - so that the front men, instead of having to continually try and run for transition, come and play, link play, one-twos. Start playing football."
It just saddened me yesterday when he swapped Eriksen for McTominay.
The game cried for Casemiro and Mainoo to be in the midfield.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 40 minutes ago
From BBC:
Former Arsenal striker Ian Wright has urged Manchester United manager Erik ten Hag to allow 18-year-old midfielder Kobbie Mainoo to play with more freedom.
"Give him the keys, because when you look at they way he plays, his calmness, his maturity for his age, the positions he picks up, he’s somebody now," Wright told BBC's Match of the Day 2.
"I’m looking at Manchester United still playing counter-attacking football at home when you’ve got a player in midfield that can progress the ball and play the ball with such calmness, such fluidity. I’d love to see Mainoo where he’s in a situation where he’s then able to get the ball and just put it forward.
"At some stage, just let him play, let him be the orchestrator - progressing the ball and getting the ball and playing the ball - so that the front men, instead of having to continually try and run for transition, come and play, link play, one-twos. Start playing football."
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If Casemiro returns to fitness, we could well see this.
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 54 minutes ago
I don't doubt ETH tactical awareness, but it's his man management and ability to get his ideas across to the players that's the problem. Doing it an Ajax is one thing, when everyone is naturally working hard together, there isn't necessarily anyone who is considered or treated like a superstar and the focus on the team isn't quite as intense.
At Utd, everything is under scrutiny, ETH also feels too robotic and doesn't have it in him to gee up the players or really be able to get inside their heads and buy into his thought process. Doesn't make him a bad manager, but sometimes it just doesn't work out for you, and he just doesn't have that little bit of X factor that Klopp or Pep has (and few do)
There is a lot of pressure on these players, and rightly so, but you need a certain type of manager to be able to cope with that and inspire the players, and I'm not sure ETH has that in him
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Astute comment.
Even Moyes and Solskjaer had tactical ideas - and they were probably a lot more sophisticated than we would imagine. It's as much the ability to translate those ideas to reality (when you have eleven highly trained athletes on the other team trying to stop you) as much as the content of those ideas that separates the managers.
Moyes was brilliant at Everton and again at West Ham, but he just doesn't have it for the very top level. Ole was a great interim manager, but shouldn't have been appointed long-term.
It's tough to be a manager at the very top, and there aren't that many great managers. We just need to keep trying until we find the right one. On paper, ETH seemed so right, the first season was probably over-achievement, a bit of good fortune, but we have gone backwards. No doubting the effort, but it's not happening. I assume we are scouting for someone new to bring in during the summer.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 54 minutes ago
I don't doubt ETH tactical awareness, but it's his man management and ability to get his ideas across to the players that's the problem. Doing it an Ajax is one thing, when everyone is naturally working hard together, there isn't necessarily anyone who is considered or treated like a superstar and the focus on the team isn't quite as intense.
At Utd, everything is under scrutiny, ETH also feels too robotic and doesn't have it in him to gee up the players or really be able to get inside their heads and buy into his thought process. Doesn't make him a bad manager, but sometimes it just doesn't work out for you, and he just doesn't have that little bit of X factor that Klopp or Pep has (and few do)
There is a lot of pressure on these players, and rightly so, but you need a certain type of manager to be able to cope with that and inspire the players, and I'm not sure ETH has that in him
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Astute comment.
Even Moyes and Solskjaer had tactical ideas - and they were probably a lot more sophisticated than we would imagine. It's as much the ability to translate those ideas to reality (when you have eleven highly trained athletes on the other team trying to stop you) as much as the content of those ideas that separates the managers.
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Doesn’t help when you have mentally weak, tactically unintelligent, ill disciplined players either.
“I’d love to see what Pep would do with these players.”
So would I, it would be funny seeing him transfer list the entire squad.
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 54 minutes ago
I don't doubt ETH tactical awareness, but it's his man management and ability to get his ideas across to the players that's the problem. Doing it an Ajax is one thing, when everyone is naturally working hard together, there isn't necessarily anyone who is considered or treated like a superstar and the focus on the team isn't quite as intense.
At Utd, everything is under scrutiny, ETH also feels too robotic and doesn't have it in him to gee up the players or really be able to get inside their heads and buy into his thought process. Doesn't make him a bad manager, but sometimes it just doesn't work out for you, and he just doesn't have that little bit of X factor that Klopp or Pep has (and few do)
There is a lot of pressure on these players, and rightly so, but you need a certain type of manager to be able to cope with that and inspire the players, and I'm not sure ETH has that in him
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Astute comment.
Even Moyes and Solskjaer had tactical ideas - and they were probably a lot more sophisticated than we would imagine. It's as much the ability to translate those ideas to reality (when you have eleven highly trained athletes on the other team trying to stop you) as much as the content of those ideas that separates the managers.
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Doesn’t help when you have mentally weak, tactically unintelligent, ill disciplined players either.
“I’d love to see what Pep would do with these players.”
So would I, it would be funny seeing him transfer list the entire squad.
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Correct, this squad are unmanageable and the sooner people realise this the better.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 54 minutes ago
I don't doubt ETH tactical awareness, but it's his man management and ability to get his ideas across to the players that's the problem. Doing it an Ajax is one thing, when everyone is naturally working hard together, there isn't necessarily anyone who is considered or treated like a superstar and the focus on the team isn't quite as intense.
At Utd, everything is under scrutiny, ETH also feels too robotic and doesn't have it in him to gee up the players or really be able to get inside their heads and buy into his thought process. Doesn't make him a bad manager, but sometimes it just doesn't work out for you, and he just doesn't have that little bit of X factor that Klopp or Pep has (and few do)
There is a lot of pressure on these players, and rightly so, but you need a certain type of manager to be able to cope with that and inspire the players, and I'm not sure ETH has that in him
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Astute comment.
Even Moyes and Solskjaer had tactical ideas - and they were probably a lot more sophisticated than we would imagine. It's as much the ability to translate those ideas to reality (when you have eleven highly trained athletes on the other team trying to stop you) as much as the content of those ideas that separates the managers.
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Doesn’t help when you have mentally weak, tactically unintelligent, ill disciplined players either.
“I’d love to see what Pep would do with these players.”
So would I, it would be funny seeing him transfer list the entire squad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Correct, this squad are unmanageable and the sooner people realise this the better.
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Do we really believe the entire squad is unmanageable? Players don't accept enough responsibility for results - the buck stops with the manager, that's just the way it is. We have some poor / over-priced players, but surely we have some decent ones also.
I can see about 10-12 players who I would keep as part of the squad, some would be first choice, others not, and then we would have to add that over coming transfer windows.
I am infuriated as anyone with some poor effort in games, but the buck stops at ETH's door
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 54 minutes ago
I don't doubt ETH tactical awareness, but it's his man management and ability to get his ideas across to the players that's the problem. Doing it an Ajax is one thing, when everyone is naturally working hard together, there isn't necessarily anyone who is considered or treated like a superstar and the focus on the team isn't quite as intense.
At Utd, everything is under scrutiny, ETH also feels too robotic and doesn't have it in him to gee up the players or really be able to get inside their heads and buy into his thought process. Doesn't make him a bad manager, but sometimes it just doesn't work out for you, and he just doesn't have that little bit of X factor that Klopp or Pep has (and few do)
There is a lot of pressure on these players, and rightly so, but you need a certain type of manager to be able to cope with that and inspire the players, and I'm not sure ETH has that in him
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Astute comment.
Even Moyes and Solskjaer had tactical ideas - and they were probably a lot more sophisticated than we would imagine. It's as much the ability to translate those ideas to reality (when you have eleven highly trained athletes on the other team trying to stop you) as much as the content of those ideas that separates the managers.
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Doesn’t help when you have mentally weak, tactically unintelligent, ill disciplined players either.
“I’d love to see what Pep would do with these players.”
So would I, it would be funny seeing him transfer list the entire squad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Correct, this squad are unmanageable and the sooner people realise this the better.
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Do we really believe the entire squad is unmanageable? Players don't accept enough responsibility for results - the buck stops with the manager, that's just the way it is. We have some poor / over-priced players, but surely we have some decent ones also.
I can see about 10-12 players who I would keep as part of the squad, some would be first choice, others not, and then we would have to add that over coming transfer windows.
I am infuriated as anyone with some poor effort in games, but the buck stops at ETH's door
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Lazy comment entire squad. But this is the lengths people will go to defend this manager. Neville touched on this, he said if Bellingham came here he would’ve failed too. No surprise, you’d see folks here saying things like he loves the bling life, fashion blah blah blah. He currently goes to fashion shows and performing!
This club is a graveyard for talented players. His prayers must be so proud of themselves from staying away from this circus club.
comment by Busby
posted 5 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 54 minutes ago
I don't doubt ETH tactical awareness, but it's his man management and ability to get his ideas across to the players that's the problem. Doing it an Ajax is one thing, when everyone is naturally working hard together, there isn't necessarily anyone who is considered or treated like a superstar and the focus on the team isn't quite as intense.
At Utd, everything is under scrutiny, ETH also feels too robotic and doesn't have it in him to gee up the players or really be able to get inside their heads and buy into his thought process. Doesn't make him a bad manager, but sometimes it just doesn't work out for you, and he just doesn't have that little bit of X factor that Klopp or Pep has (and few do)
There is a lot of pressure on these players, and rightly so, but you need a certain type of manager to be able to cope with that and inspire the players, and I'm not sure ETH has that in him
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Astute comment.
Even Moyes and Solskjaer had tactical ideas - and they were probably a lot more sophisticated than we would imagine. It's as much the ability to translate those ideas to reality (when you have eleven highly trained athletes on the other team trying to stop you) as much as the content of those ideas that separates the managers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Doesn’t help when you have mentally weak, tactically unintelligent, ill disciplined players either.
“I’d love to see what Pep would do with these players.”
So would I, it would be funny seeing him transfer list the entire squad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Correct, this squad are unmanageable and the sooner people realise this the better.
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This squad is manageable, it's just not good enough, there is a clear distinction between the two. The egotistical members have been identified, those who strayed on the wrong side are already on their way out, others will follow.
Order at the club will resume, it just needs a little more time and a lot more patience from the idiot "fans" amongst us. You know who you are!
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 6 hours, 54 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 54 minutes ago
I don't doubt ETH tactical awareness, but it's his man management and ability to get his ideas across to the players that's the problem. Doing it an Ajax is one thing, when everyone is naturally working hard together, there isn't necessarily anyone who is considered or treated like a superstar and the focus on the team isn't quite as intense.
At Utd, everything is under scrutiny, ETH also feels too robotic and doesn't have it in him to gee up the players or really be able to get inside their heads and buy into his thought process. Doesn't make him a bad manager, but sometimes it just doesn't work out for you, and he just doesn't have that little bit of X factor that Klopp or Pep has (and few do)
There is a lot of pressure on these players, and rightly so, but you need a certain type of manager to be able to cope with that and inspire the players, and I'm not sure ETH has that in him
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Astute comment.
Even Moyes and Solskjaer had tactical ideas - and they were probably a lot more sophisticated than we would imagine. It's as much the ability to translate those ideas to reality (when you have eleven highly trained athletes on the other team trying to stop you) as much as the content of those ideas that separates the managers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Doesn’t help when you have mentally weak, tactically unintelligent, ill disciplined players either.
“I’d love to see what Pep would do with these players.”
So would I, it would be funny seeing him transfer list the entire squad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Correct, this squad are unmanageable and the sooner people realise this the better.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Do we really believe the entire squad is unmanageable? Players don't accept enough responsibility for results - the buck stops with the manager, that's just the way it is. We have some poor / over-priced players, but surely we have some decent ones also.
I can see about 10-12 players who I would keep as part of the squad, some would be first choice, others not, and then we would have to add that over coming transfer windows.
I am infuriated as anyone with some poor effort in games, but the buck stops at ETH's door
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Lazy comment entire squad. But this is the lengths people will go to defend this manager. Neville touched on this, he said if Bellingham came here he would’ve failed too. No surprise, you’d see folks here saying things like he loves the bling life, fashion blah blah blah. He currently goes to fashion shows and performing!
This club is a graveyard for talented players. His prayers must be so proud of themselves from staying away from this circus club.
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I don't think there are many defending ETH to be fair. Most would agree he is failing this season, but also appreciate that there are other issues at the club aside from the manager.
I don't think there are many defending ETH to be fair. Most would agree he is failing this season, but also appreciate that there are other issues at the club aside from the manager.
……..
Even 52, who was probably the only one still holding out for ETH has moved to not defending him anymore.
Plumpy is still defending ETH.
Needless to say had a difficult evening on here after the game.
I can see where you're coming from Mr 52.
He hasn't been helped, but also hasn't helped himself.
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posted on 15/1/24
Until ETH learns that you can not play any premiership team with essentially ten men on the field then teams will continue to waltz through us.
Forget patterns of play or style of play, they are not that big a picture for now.
We need to match up teams in the midfield to stop them controlling games.
posted on 15/1/24
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
Until ETH learns that you can not play any premiership team with essentially ten men on the field then teams will continue to waltz through us.
Forget patterns of play or style of play, they are not that big a picture for now.
We need to match up teams in the midfield to stop them controlling games.
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Pretty much this we rarely, if ever have any control in the midfield and teams appear to waltz through us and often the only ball to the forwards is a 30-40m pass over the top of their heads, whether it needs a different set up or new player/s we do need more from the CM imo
posted on 15/1/24
From BBC:
Former Arsenal striker Ian Wright has urged Manchester United manager Erik ten Hag to allow 18-year-old midfielder Kobbie Mainoo to play with more freedom.
"Give him the keys, because when you look at they way he plays, his calmness, his maturity for his age, the positions he picks up, he’s somebody now," Wright told BBC's Match of the Day 2.
"I’m looking at Manchester United still playing counter-attacking football at home when you’ve got a player in midfield that can progress the ball and play the ball with such calmness, such fluidity. I’d love to see Mainoo where he’s in a situation where he’s then able to get the ball and just put it forward.
"At some stage, just let him play, let him be the orchestrator - progressing the ball and getting the ball and playing the ball - so that the front men, instead of having to continually try and run for transition, come and play, link play, one-twos. Start playing football."
posted on 15/1/24
It just saddened me yesterday when he swapped Eriksen for McTominay.
The game cried for Casemiro and Mainoo to be in the midfield.
posted on 15/1/24
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 40 minutes ago
From BBC:
Former Arsenal striker Ian Wright has urged Manchester United manager Erik ten Hag to allow 18-year-old midfielder Kobbie Mainoo to play with more freedom.
"Give him the keys, because when you look at they way he plays, his calmness, his maturity for his age, the positions he picks up, he’s somebody now," Wright told BBC's Match of the Day 2.
"I’m looking at Manchester United still playing counter-attacking football at home when you’ve got a player in midfield that can progress the ball and play the ball with such calmness, such fluidity. I’d love to see Mainoo where he’s in a situation where he’s then able to get the ball and just put it forward.
"At some stage, just let him play, let him be the orchestrator - progressing the ball and getting the ball and playing the ball - so that the front men, instead of having to continually try and run for transition, come and play, link play, one-twos. Start playing football."
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If Casemiro returns to fitness, we could well see this.
posted on 15/1/24
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 54 minutes ago
I don't doubt ETH tactical awareness, but it's his man management and ability to get his ideas across to the players that's the problem. Doing it an Ajax is one thing, when everyone is naturally working hard together, there isn't necessarily anyone who is considered or treated like a superstar and the focus on the team isn't quite as intense.
At Utd, everything is under scrutiny, ETH also feels too robotic and doesn't have it in him to gee up the players or really be able to get inside their heads and buy into his thought process. Doesn't make him a bad manager, but sometimes it just doesn't work out for you, and he just doesn't have that little bit of X factor that Klopp or Pep has (and few do)
There is a lot of pressure on these players, and rightly so, but you need a certain type of manager to be able to cope with that and inspire the players, and I'm not sure ETH has that in him
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Astute comment.
Even Moyes and Solskjaer had tactical ideas - and they were probably a lot more sophisticated than we would imagine. It's as much the ability to translate those ideas to reality (when you have eleven highly trained athletes on the other team trying to stop you) as much as the content of those ideas that separates the managers.
posted on 15/1/24
Moyes was brilliant at Everton and again at West Ham, but he just doesn't have it for the very top level. Ole was a great interim manager, but shouldn't have been appointed long-term.
It's tough to be a manager at the very top, and there aren't that many great managers. We just need to keep trying until we find the right one. On paper, ETH seemed so right, the first season was probably over-achievement, a bit of good fortune, but we have gone backwards. No doubting the effort, but it's not happening. I assume we are scouting for someone new to bring in during the summer.
posted on 15/1/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 54 minutes ago
I don't doubt ETH tactical awareness, but it's his man management and ability to get his ideas across to the players that's the problem. Doing it an Ajax is one thing, when everyone is naturally working hard together, there isn't necessarily anyone who is considered or treated like a superstar and the focus on the team isn't quite as intense.
At Utd, everything is under scrutiny, ETH also feels too robotic and doesn't have it in him to gee up the players or really be able to get inside their heads and buy into his thought process. Doesn't make him a bad manager, but sometimes it just doesn't work out for you, and he just doesn't have that little bit of X factor that Klopp or Pep has (and few do)
There is a lot of pressure on these players, and rightly so, but you need a certain type of manager to be able to cope with that and inspire the players, and I'm not sure ETH has that in him
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Astute comment.
Even Moyes and Solskjaer had tactical ideas - and they were probably a lot more sophisticated than we would imagine. It's as much the ability to translate those ideas to reality (when you have eleven highly trained athletes on the other team trying to stop you) as much as the content of those ideas that separates the managers.
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Doesn’t help when you have mentally weak, tactically unintelligent, ill disciplined players either.
“I’d love to see what Pep would do with these players.”
So would I, it would be funny seeing him transfer list the entire squad.
posted on 15/1/24
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 54 minutes ago
I don't doubt ETH tactical awareness, but it's his man management and ability to get his ideas across to the players that's the problem. Doing it an Ajax is one thing, when everyone is naturally working hard together, there isn't necessarily anyone who is considered or treated like a superstar and the focus on the team isn't quite as intense.
At Utd, everything is under scrutiny, ETH also feels too robotic and doesn't have it in him to gee up the players or really be able to get inside their heads and buy into his thought process. Doesn't make him a bad manager, but sometimes it just doesn't work out for you, and he just doesn't have that little bit of X factor that Klopp or Pep has (and few do)
There is a lot of pressure on these players, and rightly so, but you need a certain type of manager to be able to cope with that and inspire the players, and I'm not sure ETH has that in him
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Astute comment.
Even Moyes and Solskjaer had tactical ideas - and they were probably a lot more sophisticated than we would imagine. It's as much the ability to translate those ideas to reality (when you have eleven highly trained athletes on the other team trying to stop you) as much as the content of those ideas that separates the managers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Doesn’t help when you have mentally weak, tactically unintelligent, ill disciplined players either.
“I’d love to see what Pep would do with these players.”
So would I, it would be funny seeing him transfer list the entire squad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Correct, this squad are unmanageable and the sooner people realise this the better.
posted on 15/1/24
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 54 minutes ago
I don't doubt ETH tactical awareness, but it's his man management and ability to get his ideas across to the players that's the problem. Doing it an Ajax is one thing, when everyone is naturally working hard together, there isn't necessarily anyone who is considered or treated like a superstar and the focus on the team isn't quite as intense.
At Utd, everything is under scrutiny, ETH also feels too robotic and doesn't have it in him to gee up the players or really be able to get inside their heads and buy into his thought process. Doesn't make him a bad manager, but sometimes it just doesn't work out for you, and he just doesn't have that little bit of X factor that Klopp or Pep has (and few do)
There is a lot of pressure on these players, and rightly so, but you need a certain type of manager to be able to cope with that and inspire the players, and I'm not sure ETH has that in him
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Astute comment.
Even Moyes and Solskjaer had tactical ideas - and they were probably a lot more sophisticated than we would imagine. It's as much the ability to translate those ideas to reality (when you have eleven highly trained athletes on the other team trying to stop you) as much as the content of those ideas that separates the managers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Doesn’t help when you have mentally weak, tactically unintelligent, ill disciplined players either.
“I’d love to see what Pep would do with these players.”
So would I, it would be funny seeing him transfer list the entire squad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Correct, this squad are unmanageable and the sooner people realise this the better.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Do we really believe the entire squad is unmanageable? Players don't accept enough responsibility for results - the buck stops with the manager, that's just the way it is. We have some poor / over-priced players, but surely we have some decent ones also.
I can see about 10-12 players who I would keep as part of the squad, some would be first choice, others not, and then we would have to add that over coming transfer windows.
I am infuriated as anyone with some poor effort in games, but the buck stops at ETH's door
posted on 15/1/24
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 54 minutes ago
I don't doubt ETH tactical awareness, but it's his man management and ability to get his ideas across to the players that's the problem. Doing it an Ajax is one thing, when everyone is naturally working hard together, there isn't necessarily anyone who is considered or treated like a superstar and the focus on the team isn't quite as intense.
At Utd, everything is under scrutiny, ETH also feels too robotic and doesn't have it in him to gee up the players or really be able to get inside their heads and buy into his thought process. Doesn't make him a bad manager, but sometimes it just doesn't work out for you, and he just doesn't have that little bit of X factor that Klopp or Pep has (and few do)
There is a lot of pressure on these players, and rightly so, but you need a certain type of manager to be able to cope with that and inspire the players, and I'm not sure ETH has that in him
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Astute comment.
Even Moyes and Solskjaer had tactical ideas - and they were probably a lot more sophisticated than we would imagine. It's as much the ability to translate those ideas to reality (when you have eleven highly trained athletes on the other team trying to stop you) as much as the content of those ideas that separates the managers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Doesn’t help when you have mentally weak, tactically unintelligent, ill disciplined players either.
“I’d love to see what Pep would do with these players.”
So would I, it would be funny seeing him transfer list the entire squad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Correct, this squad are unmanageable and the sooner people realise this the better.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Do we really believe the entire squad is unmanageable? Players don't accept enough responsibility for results - the buck stops with the manager, that's just the way it is. We have some poor / over-priced players, but surely we have some decent ones also.
I can see about 10-12 players who I would keep as part of the squad, some would be first choice, others not, and then we would have to add that over coming transfer windows.
I am infuriated as anyone with some poor effort in games, but the buck stops at ETH's door
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Lazy comment entire squad. But this is the lengths people will go to defend this manager. Neville touched on this, he said if Bellingham came here he would’ve failed too. No surprise, you’d see folks here saying things like he loves the bling life, fashion blah blah blah. He currently goes to fashion shows and performing!
This club is a graveyard for talented players. His prayers must be so proud of themselves from staying away from this circus club.
posted on 15/1/24
comment by Busby
posted 5 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 54 minutes ago
I don't doubt ETH tactical awareness, but it's his man management and ability to get his ideas across to the players that's the problem. Doing it an Ajax is one thing, when everyone is naturally working hard together, there isn't necessarily anyone who is considered or treated like a superstar and the focus on the team isn't quite as intense.
At Utd, everything is under scrutiny, ETH also feels too robotic and doesn't have it in him to gee up the players or really be able to get inside their heads and buy into his thought process. Doesn't make him a bad manager, but sometimes it just doesn't work out for you, and he just doesn't have that little bit of X factor that Klopp or Pep has (and few do)
There is a lot of pressure on these players, and rightly so, but you need a certain type of manager to be able to cope with that and inspire the players, and I'm not sure ETH has that in him
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Astute comment.
Even Moyes and Solskjaer had tactical ideas - and they were probably a lot more sophisticated than we would imagine. It's as much the ability to translate those ideas to reality (when you have eleven highly trained athletes on the other team trying to stop you) as much as the content of those ideas that separates the managers.
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Doesn’t help when you have mentally weak, tactically unintelligent, ill disciplined players either.
“I’d love to see what Pep would do with these players.”
So would I, it would be funny seeing him transfer list the entire squad.
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Correct, this squad are unmanageable and the sooner people realise this the better.
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This squad is manageable, it's just not good enough, there is a clear distinction between the two. The egotistical members have been identified, those who strayed on the wrong side are already on their way out, others will follow.
Order at the club will resume, it just needs a little more time and a lot more patience from the idiot "fans" amongst us. You know who you are!
posted on 15/1/24
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 6 hours, 54 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 54 minutes ago
I don't doubt ETH tactical awareness, but it's his man management and ability to get his ideas across to the players that's the problem. Doing it an Ajax is one thing, when everyone is naturally working hard together, there isn't necessarily anyone who is considered or treated like a superstar and the focus on the team isn't quite as intense.
At Utd, everything is under scrutiny, ETH also feels too robotic and doesn't have it in him to gee up the players or really be able to get inside their heads and buy into his thought process. Doesn't make him a bad manager, but sometimes it just doesn't work out for you, and he just doesn't have that little bit of X factor that Klopp or Pep has (and few do)
There is a lot of pressure on these players, and rightly so, but you need a certain type of manager to be able to cope with that and inspire the players, and I'm not sure ETH has that in him
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Astute comment.
Even Moyes and Solskjaer had tactical ideas - and they were probably a lot more sophisticated than we would imagine. It's as much the ability to translate those ideas to reality (when you have eleven highly trained athletes on the other team trying to stop you) as much as the content of those ideas that separates the managers.
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Doesn’t help when you have mentally weak, tactically unintelligent, ill disciplined players either.
“I’d love to see what Pep would do with these players.”
So would I, it would be funny seeing him transfer list the entire squad.
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Correct, this squad are unmanageable and the sooner people realise this the better.
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Do we really believe the entire squad is unmanageable? Players don't accept enough responsibility for results - the buck stops with the manager, that's just the way it is. We have some poor / over-priced players, but surely we have some decent ones also.
I can see about 10-12 players who I would keep as part of the squad, some would be first choice, others not, and then we would have to add that over coming transfer windows.
I am infuriated as anyone with some poor effort in games, but the buck stops at ETH's door
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Lazy comment entire squad. But this is the lengths people will go to defend this manager. Neville touched on this, he said if Bellingham came here he would’ve failed too. No surprise, you’d see folks here saying things like he loves the bling life, fashion blah blah blah. He currently goes to fashion shows and performing!
This club is a graveyard for talented players. His prayers must be so proud of themselves from staying away from this circus club.
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I don't think there are many defending ETH to be fair. Most would agree he is failing this season, but also appreciate that there are other issues at the club aside from the manager.
posted on 15/1/24
I don't think there are many defending ETH to be fair. Most would agree he is failing this season, but also appreciate that there are other issues at the club aside from the manager.
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Even 52, who was probably the only one still holding out for ETH has moved to not defending him anymore.
posted on 15/1/24
Plumpy is still defending ETH.
Needless to say had a difficult evening on here after the game.
posted on 15/1/24
I can see where you're coming from Mr 52.
He hasn't been helped, but also hasn't helped himself.
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