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comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 12/2/24

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 31 seconds ago
My optimism is dampened by the loss of a Martinez and the fact that teams are still carving out chances against us with ease.

Although Casemiro and Mainoo look to be our best partnership they still can not control the game if we are getting over run in midfield numerically.
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I mean if Villa could finish then you could have lost that game handsomely yesterday, there was no tactical genius or incredible team performance going on there. Onana had a worldie, Watkins had a stinker and that was enough in the end - you won’t get away with that every week
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That is exactly how I see it.
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Villa did play some good stuff, but we could’ve had 2 or 3 before we scored our first.

In the first half Villa got to some good positions but didn’t create a huge amount of clear cut chances. Shaw going off and Lindelof having a bit of a mare didn’t help us but Villa were by far the better side second half.

It isn’t unheard of for teams to play badly and win though, it’s why Liverpool are top. They’ve taken 3 points in a few games they’ve played badly.

posted on 12/2/24

Busby

I am not sure anyone is arguing any of that.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 12/2/24

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 seconds ago
On the style of play, what's the opinion of United fans? Are you guys satisfied with it?
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Not really. And I don't honestly see it improving much under ETH at this stage. But I am hoping to be proven wrong.
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Yeah, I'm trying to see it if I were a fan. I get that you play to the strengths of the squad but if the ultimate goal is to control games, ETH has had enough time and money to recruit in that image. Having seen first hand how his Ajax team utterly tore into us in the CL semi final (that we someone ended up winning) I'm surprised that he's not doing the same with you. I just wonder what that's like for United fans, particularly at Old Trafford. I know you were never really in the Pep mould of controlling the ball all the time under Fergie but you controlled most matches. It's a real departure to see them so passive now so I wonder what the tolerance is within the fan base.
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ETH has said that he doesn't have the players at United to play like his Ajax team. I think that the problem we have is Rashford and Bruno are/have been our two most productive players, but neither of them fit into that Ajax style of football. So he is cutting his cloth accordingly and struggling a bit with it.

At this point, it kind of feels like we either have to get rid of ETH and bring in a manager that better suits the squad, all go balls deep with ETH and get rid of Rashford and Bruno. Rashford would be useful to keep for certain games/off the bench, but wouldn't be happy to play a bit-part role.
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I struggle to see why either of those lads would struggle in the Ajax system. I'll take your word for it but it seems weird that of the player you have, they're the two that don't fit. Rashford would simply play the Tadic role but maybe what he means is that neither are as disciplined as they should be without the ball. Bruno tries to do too much and frequently ends up out of position, that's why your other midfielders are often so exposed. That's why you have more success with two holding instead of one but it means you lose control of the game. Your biggest issue I think is a lack of leadership though. Someone to dictate a bit more. Someone to grab Bruno by the neck and tell him not to chase every ball down a blind alley. It leaves everyone else exposed.
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I think the issues you have outlined are exactly the problem. I didn't watch loads of his Ajax team, but from what I did see, they looked after the ball very well. Rashford and Bruno, as dangerous as they both can be, don't do that. Nor have we had a CM that could carry that ball in the same way as FDJ. Although I think that the emergence of Mainoo has perhaps changed that.

posted on 12/2/24

Mainoo emerges, team looks much much better.

I really think he's been that good.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 12/2/24

comment by HB Maybe Beale wasn't the mastermind (U21935)
posted 8 minutes ago
Mainoo emerges, team looks much much better.

I really think he's been that good.
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He has been very good. But it not all been down to him. Shaw coming back helped, as did Martinez. Suddenly we had some threat from wide, as Shaw can cross and also makes Rashford more dangerous, as they understand each other. Martinez is comfortable bringing the ball out and passing into the midfield. Then we have Mainoo who is comfortable in possession and helps us control the game a little and progress the ball. And also Garnacho getting a chance on the right and doing well there.

It is too simplistic to say it is all down to Mainoo.

posted on 12/2/24

according to the MEN.... R Madrid Chief Scout has been told to keep a watchful eye on Hojlund.

I presume they will be also doing so with Mainoo.

And they usually get what they want from United.

posted on 12/2/24

And they usually get what they want from United.
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Really, the only player we've lost to Madrid who we didn't want to let go of was Ronaldo. And De Gea obviously would've gone there if all went to plan.

I think we are less likely see Hojlund (or Mainoo) desperate to leave us for them, for obvious reasons.

posted on 12/2/24

One thing that last decade has taught me (along with the general march of time) is to fixate less on the short-term and to appreciate aside from winning trophies more than I used to. So I can say I am relatively optimistic about the club, but more in terms of looking forward to how certain things that give cause to feel optimistic about unfold over the next few years. I'm looking forward to seeing how Ineos restructure our sporting operations, and hopefully seeing better decisions being made, which in turn translate into better football. I'm looking forward to seeing Mainoo and Hojlund develop as footballers, and to seeing some of the current U21s and U18s push for contention in the senior side.

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 12/2/24

"I'm looking forward to seeing Mainoo and Hojlund develop as footballers, and to seeing some of the current U21s and U18s push for contention in the senior side."

Same, I'll add Garnacho to the list.

I'm most excited by Shea Lacey's development, he looks to have a brilliant footballing brain and the skills to match. Some of his passing at youth level is exceptional.

posted on 12/2/24

Busby

Jack Fletcher looks promising to me too. But in every crop of academy players there's a massive talent whose ability doesn't make that tough transition to senior football, and another who doesn't particularly stand out but goes up a level when he matures.

posted on 12/2/24

I think Lacey may have a long term injury. I have not seen him feature for the U18’s for some time.

posted on 12/2/24

Five one stars. As my school reports always said, "could do better".

posted on 12/2/24

32/33 points from a possible 42 is a tall order. Very tall order actually given we have to play the top 3 once more as yet.

I think we will end up on roughly 65pts or thereabouts. Won't be enough for 4th. It could be enough for 5th and the possible extra CL place though if the PL gets one.

Spurs should get over the line in 4th. They have a 7pt lead when you take GD into account. Villa are the ones we could catch though as they are still in Europe and we aren't.

posted on 12/2/24

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 31 seconds ago
My optimism is dampened by the loss of a Martinez and the fact that teams are still carving out chances against us with ease.

Although Casemiro and Mainoo look to be our best partnership they still can not control the game if we are getting over run in midfield numerically.
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I mean if Villa could finish then you could have lost that game handsomely yesterday, there was no tactical genius or incredible team performance going on there. Onana had a worldie, Watkins had a stinker and that was enough in the end - you won’t get away with that every week
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That is exactly how I see it.
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Villa did play some good stuff, but we could’ve had 2 or 3 before we scored our first.

In the first half Villa got to some good positions but didn’t create a huge amount of clear cut chances. Shaw going off and Lindelof having a bit of a mare didn’t help us but Villa were by far the better side second half.

It isn’t unheard of for teams to play badly and win though, it’s why Liverpool are top. They’ve taken 3 points in a few games they’ve played badly.

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fair assumption. Watkins had a one on one first half, john mcginn forced a good save but it was like utd shut down after their goal.

posted on 12/2/24

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 23 minutes ago
Five one stars.
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Well, that's one five-star, right?

comment by Pun (U21588)

posted on 12/2/24

comment by Clockwork Red: Amrabats in the Belfry (U4892)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 23 minutes ago
Five one stars.
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Well, that's one five-star, right?

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Someone always one-stars these articles.

I give five to balance it out.

posted on 12/2/24

comment by Clockwork Red: Amrabats in the Belfry (U4892)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 23 minutes ago
Five one stars.
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Well, that's one five-star, right?

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Doesn't work like that. That's like having 4 chances at 0.2 xG and saying we should score the next 0.2 xG chance cos that would make it up to 1. There is still a 20% chance of scoring that chance, chances don't have memories. So unfortunately my 1 star for MU52 doesn't help him towards achieving a 5 star rating

posted on 12/2/24

I'm more optimistic about off-field matters than I am on-field at the moment.

On the pitch I think we're in a similar situation to what we were under Ole in that we're overperforming in terms of results and it's unsustainable based on the level of our performances over 90 minutes.

posted on 12/2/24

The performances still aren’t great for 90 mins but we are having more good spells.

Mainoo has made a difference is already one of our most important players.

I know Dalot and McTominay did brilliantly for the winner yesterday but Mainoo did so well to get that ball to Dalot in a position that pretty much the rest of team would have lost possession in.

posted on 12/2/24

comment by Michael Mellon (U1734)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Amrabats in the Belfry (U4892)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 23 minutes ago
Five one stars.
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Well, that's one five-star, right?

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Doesn't work like that. That's like having 4 chances at 0.2 xG and saying we should score the next 0.2 xG chance cos that would make it up to 1. There is still a 20% chance of scoring that chance, chances don't have memories. So unfortunately my 1 star for MU52 doesn't help him towards achieving a 5 star rating
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Exactly, it's the same tossing a coin, if it comes down head's five times on the run people are convinced tails is next. But the coin doesn't have a memory, so it's still evens.
So now I've been nice to you, you can go back and change it to a five n'est pas.

posted on 12/2/24

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Michael Mellon (U1734)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Amrabats in the Belfry (U4892)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 23 minutes ago
Five one stars.
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Well, that's one five-star, right?

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Doesn't work like that. That's like having 4 chances at 0.2 xG and saying we should score the next 0.2 xG chance cos that would make it up to 1. There is still a 20% chance of scoring that chance, chances don't have memories. So unfortunately my 1 star for MU52 doesn't help him towards achieving a 5 star rating
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Exactly, it's the same tossing a coin, if it comes down head's five times on the run people are convinced tails is next. But the coin doesn't have a memory, so it's still evens.
So now I've been nice to you, you can go back and change it to a five n'est pas.
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I didn't even give it a 1 star. Just said I did.

Now I have

posted on 12/2/24

comment by Michael Mellon (U1734)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Michael Mellon (U1734)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Amrabats in the Belfry (U4892)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 23 minutes ago
Five one stars.
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Well, that's one five-star, right?

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Doesn't work like that. That's like having 4 chances at 0.2 xG and saying we should score the next 0.2 xG chance cos that would make it up to 1. There is still a 20% chance of scoring that chance, chances don't have memories. So unfortunately my 1 star for MU52 doesn't help him towards achieving a 5 star rating
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Exactly, it's the same tossing a coin, if it comes down head's five times on the run people are convinced tails is next. But the coin doesn't have a memory, so it's still evens.
So now I've been nice to you, you can go back and change it to a five n'est pas.
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I didn't even give it a 1 star. Just said I did.

Now I have
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👍

posted on 12/2/24

I’d be optimistic if we can keep a settled side between now and the end of the season.

posted on 12/2/24

We're winning games now, which is great. The attack seems to be ab it more in sync. However, there is a clear issue with the way we play. Even yesterday there were large spells where Villa were much better than us on the ball and cutting through us.

We rely too much on play from the back. ETH wants the back 5 to hold the ball and start the attack, which doesn't work well when Martinez is missing along with his urgency and passing range. It makes us predictable and slow in build-up at times, our CBs have more of the ball than our midfield does. Also, Casemiro and Mainoo work well together, but we're still easy to get through at times. We will drop more points than OP suggests.

posted on 12/2/24

Haven’t read the whole thread but I’m not optimistic.

There were times yesterday where we looked so poor. Onana is supposed to be good on the ball. He’s clearly not.

The amount of times we give the ball away is frightening.

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