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comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Scottish refs are schite.

That Dickinson yesterday was abysmal.
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So you’d expect poor decisions to distribute uniformly across all teams. Is that what happens?
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Yes? Managers of all teams moaning virtually every single week?
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Is that a good way of measuring it? Are managers of SPFL teams unbiased observers on decisions involving their own teams?
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It’s gives you an overview of how poor refs are in general and that to insinuate bias is just off the scale paranoia.
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Does it? If we can agree that managers are biased observers, then actually there comments are largely meaningless in determining actual errors. Same with fans. I’d suggest perhaps an independent ref from outside of Scotland?

comment by Samus (Isle of) Arran (U22669)
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comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
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comment by Staunch neutral (U23065)
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comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
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comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Scottish refs are schite.

That Dickinson yesterday was abysmal.
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So you’d expect poor decisions to distribute uniformly across all teams. Is that what happens?
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Yes? Managers of all teams moaning virtually every single week?
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Is that a good way of measuring it? Are managers of SPFL teams unbiased observers on decisions involving their own teams?
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Are fans unbiased observers on decisions involving their teams?
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Obviously not 😂

What a schitey goal

Livi are absolutely awful

Should be a booking for Kyogo there....telling the ref to book someone

comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
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comment by Staunch neutral (U23065)
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comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
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comment by Staunch neutral (U23065)
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comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Scottish refs are schite.

That Dickinson yesterday was abysmal.
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So you’d expect poor decisions to distribute uniformly across all teams. Is that what happens?
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Yes? Managers of all teams moaning virtually every single week?
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Is that a good way of measuring it? Are managers of SPFL teams unbiased observers on decisions involving their own teams?
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It’s gives you an overview of how poor refs are in general and that to insinuate bias is just off the scale paranoia.
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Does it? If we can agree that managers are biased observers, then actually there comments are largely meaningless in determining actual errors. Same with fans. I’d suggest perhaps an independent ref from outside of Scotland?
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And what self respecting independent ref from outside of Scotland is going to come here to suffer the same paranoid abuse that the homegrown ones already enjoy?

Missed the goal putting the kettle on. Comedy o.g. that.

comment by I'm not as think as you drunk I am.......... (U2115)
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comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
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comment by Staunch neutral (U23065)
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comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
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comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Scottish refs are schite.

That Dickinson yesterday was abysmal.
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So you’d expect poor decisions to distribute uniformly across all teams. Is that what happens?
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Yes? Managers of all teams moaning virtually every single week?
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Is that a good way of measuring it? Are managers of SPFL teams unbiased observers on decisions involving their own teams?
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It’s gives you an overview of how poor refs are in general and that to insinuate bias is just off the scale paranoia.
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Does it? If we can agree that managers are biased observers, then actually there comments are largely meaningless in determining actual errors. Same with fans. I’d suggest perhaps an independent ref from outside of Scotland?
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And what self respecting independent ref from outside of Scotland is going to come here to suffer the same paranoid abuse that the homegrown ones already enjoy?
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Could get a ref in from bloody Swaziland, and some khunt would still be asking "aye but who do you prefer really!!, Celtic or Rangers".....and if he was ever pictured anywhere near a union jack, a picture of the queen or perhaps had a drink in an Irish pub once or had a serious paranoid chip on his shoulder...that'd be it

comment by I'm not as think as you drunk I am.......Schizophrenia was my idea!.....No it wasn't!.....You are never alone with a Schizo :D (U2115)
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comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
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comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
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comment by Staunch neutral (U23065)
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comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
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comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Scottish refs are schite.

That Dickinson yesterday was abysmal.
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So you’d expect poor decisions to distribute uniformly across all teams. Is that what happens?
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Yes? Managers of all teams moaning virtually every single week?
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Is that a good way of measuring it? Are managers of SPFL teams unbiased observers on decisions involving their own teams?
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It’s gives you an overview of how poor refs are in general and that to insinuate bias is just off the scale paranoia.
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Does it? If we can agree that managers are biased observers, then actually there comments are largely meaningless in determining actual errors. Same with fans. I’d suggest perhaps an independent ref from outside of Scotland?
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And what self respecting independent ref from outside of Scotland is going to come here to suffer the same paranoid abuse that the homegrown ones already enjoy?
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It’s the perceived lack of independence (which isn’t helped by an SFA marking its own homework or putting in even the most basic governance checks) that leads to what you call paranoia. What harm would it do having a ref, say a ref from down south, looking at key incidents from games and forming a conclusion as to whether decisions were right or wrong?

Your argument appears to be you are concerned more about assumed abuse of an independent ref rather than the integrity of the game in Scotland.

"It’s the perceived lack of independence (which isn’t helped by an SFA marking its own homework or putting in even the most basic governance checks) that leads to what you call paranoia. What harm would it do having a ref, say a ref from down south, looking at key incidents from games and forming a conclusion as to whether decisions were right or wrong?

Your argument appears to be you are concerned more about assumed abuse of an independent ref rather than the integrity of the game in Scotland."

No...it's one side basically seeing what they want to see, and completely and utterly disregarding anything that doesn't suit that agenda...that's the problem

I have no issue with an independent ref coming in to do what you suggest....think the point being made is, it shouldn't have to come to that due to folk basically being blinkered idiots

comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 2 minutes ago
"It’s the perceived lack of independence (which isn’t helped by an SFA marking its own homework or putting in even the most basic governance checks) that leads to what you call paranoia. What harm would it do having a ref, say a ref from down south, looking at key incidents from games and forming a conclusion as to whether decisions were right or wrong?

Your argument appears to be you are concerned more about assumed abuse of an independent ref rather than the integrity of the game in Scotland."

No...it's one side basically seeing what they want to see, and completely and utterly disregarding anything that doesn't suit that agenda...that's the problem

I have no issue with an independent ref coming in to do what you suggest....think the point being made is, it shouldn't have to come to that due to folk basically being blinkered idiots
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Large numbers of fans of all clubs not having faith in Scottish referees is absolutely 100% a reason to have greater independence and transparency 😂

Why would you not want the SFA to do all it can to protect the integrity of its refs from accusations of incompetence or bias?

comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
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comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 2 minutes ago
"It’s the perceived lack of independence (which isn’t helped by an SFA marking its own homework or putting in even the most basic governance checks) that leads to what you call paranoia. What harm would it do having a ref, say a ref from down south, looking at key incidents from games and forming a conclusion as to whether decisions were right or wrong?

Your argument appears to be you are concerned more about assumed abuse of an independent ref rather than the integrity of the game in Scotland."

No...it's one side basically seeing what they want to see, and completely and utterly disregarding anything that doesn't suit that agenda...that's the problem

I have no issue with an independent ref coming in to do what you suggest....think the point being made is, it shouldn't have to come to that due to folk basically being blinkered idiots
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Large numbers of fans of all clubs not having faith in Scottish referees is absolutely 100% a reason to have greater independence and transparency 😂
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I reckon you could replace Scottish with almost any other European country, and said statement would still be true....but only in Scotland do certain fans want outsiders to come in

Tbf we have unique circumstances in Scotland tasssssssss

* yasssssssss

comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
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Why would you not want the SFA to do all it can to protect the integrity of its refs from accusations of incompetence or bias?
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Please tell me how the SFA bringing in an independent outsider would protect the integrity of it's own refs...doing so would basically make a strong statement suggesting they can't be trusted ffs

Nice finish. Was just about to post that we’re in total control with little end product … again!

comment by St3vie (U11028)
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comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
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comment by St3vie (U11028)
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"It’s the perceived lack of independence (which isn’t helped by an SFA marking its own homework or putting in even the most basic governance checks) that leads to what you call paranoia. What harm would it do having a ref, say a ref from down south, looking at key incidents from games and forming a conclusion as to whether decisions were right or wrong?

Your argument appears to be you are concerned more about assumed abuse of an independent ref rather than the integrity of the game in Scotland."

No...it's one side basically seeing what they want to see, and completely and utterly disregarding anything that doesn't suit that agenda...that's the problem

I have no issue with an independent ref coming in to do what you suggest....think the point being made is, it shouldn't have to come to that due to folk basically being blinkered idiots
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Large numbers of fans of all clubs not having faith in Scottish referees is absolutely 100% a reason to have greater independence and transparency 😂
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I reckon you could replace Scottish with almost any other European country, and said statement would still be true....but only in Scotland do certain fans want outsiders to come in
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I mean that is just factually inaccurate. As we’ve had Scottish refs go on highly paid trips to other countries in Europe to ref big games there.

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comment by St3vie (U11028)
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comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
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comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 2 minutes ago
"It’s the perceived lack of independence (which isn’t helped by an SFA marking its own homework or putting in even the most basic governance checks) that leads to what you call paranoia. What harm would it do having a ref, say a ref from down south, looking at key incidents from games and forming a conclusion as to whether decisions were right or wrong?

Your argument appears to be you are concerned more about assumed abuse of an independent ref rather than the integrity of the game in Scotland."

No...it's one side basically seeing what they want to see, and completely and utterly disregarding anything that doesn't suit that agenda...that's the problem

I have no issue with an independent ref coming in to do what you suggest....think the point being made is, it shouldn't have to come to that due to folk basically being blinkered idiots
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Large numbers of fans of all clubs not having faith in Scottish referees is absolutely 100% a reason to have greater independence and transparency 😂
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I reckon you could replace Scottish with almost any other European country, and said statement would still be true....but only in Scotland do certain fans want outsiders to come in
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I mean that is just factually inaccurate. As we’ve had Scottish refs go on highly paid trips to other countries in Europe to ref big games there.
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Are you telling me that Scottish refs have been sent overseas to referee domestic games in other countries?

comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
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Why would you not want the SFA to do all it can to protect the integrity of its refs from accusations of incompetence or bias?
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Please tell me how the SFA bringing in an independent outsider would protect the integrity of it's own refs...doing so would basically make a strong statement suggesting they can't be trusted ffs
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It’s checks and balances. It’s why in other industries we have things like audits to provide greater comfort and assurance to stakeholders. Right now you have refs not trusted, the SFA knowing that, and doing nothing about it. That does nothing to engender trust. What it would do is improve trust in the decisions, which is important.

It really is embarrassing nonsense this suggesting an independent ref comes over.

Scottish refs are on the whole garbage. It’s nothing to do with bias. That’s in the minds of paranoid fans.

I’ve seen plenty of the current crop of ‘top’ refs as they came through the system (Junior football). They were as bad then as they are now. They get over promoted far too quickly and the more robotic they seem the quicker they rise.

"Right now you have refs not trusted"

There it is...that's all it boils down to

Could be the best refs in the world, until the accusations of bias and paranoia go...won't matter a jot

The SFA is under no obligation whatsoever to appoint independent regulators to review the performances of their own refs, purely because certain fans are completely incapable of looking at certain decision without inferring som form of bias or a hidden agenda

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comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted less than a minute ago
Why would you not want the SFA to do all it can to protect the integrity of its refs from accusations of incompetence or bias?
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Please tell me how the SFA bringing in an independent outsider would protect the integrity of it's own refs...doing so would basically make a strong statement suggesting they can't be trusted ffs
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It’s checks and balances. It’s why in other industries we have things like audits to provide greater comfort and assurance to stakeholders. Right now you have refs not trusted, the SFA knowing that, and doing nothing about it. That does nothing to engender trust. What it would do is improve trust in the decisions, which is important.
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So you want the SFA to pander to your average Clyde super scoreboard roaster? Cos that’s the only people who don’t ’trust’ refs.

Tasssss

What's the keeper dain Tam