Never a pen. If that is then the rules are very wrong. That’s incredibly lucky to get that.
I was shaking my head until I’d watched the replay about three or four times. Without VAR, that’s never, ever given IMO.
Love it or hate it (probably love it this morning!), in practice it hasn’t just been about trying to make correct decisions; VAR has changed the kinds of decisions referees are making.
The challenge was so forceful it left Kane maimed for the rest of the match.
I get the controversy. I understand both sides of the argument but imo the game's heading in a bad direction if every challenge like that leads to a penalty.
comment by 115 reasons why ours is better (U22832)
posted 6 minutes ago
I get the controversy. I understand both sides of the argument but imo the game's heading in a bad direction if every challenge like that leads to a penalty.
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agreed
It's a weird one for me.
Outside the box I think it's a foul which means it should be a penalty, but giving essentially a free goal for such a minor challenge feels very harsh.
A mate of mine was shouting, “Eeeez dangereuse, eeeez dangereuse!” (he’s French) and I was telling him to calm down.
You watch the replay and realise that yeah, that challenge could be construed as pretty damn dangerous.
But if you’re the ref, you’re never going to be able to discern that in a million years without VAR, you just aren’t. And as such, you cannot give the pen.
In *effect* the rules of the game are different when VAR is in action. That means that we aren’t all playing the same game anymore, which for me personally is really sad. It further separates what’s happening on school pitches and playing fields from what’s happening in elite football.
The horse has long bolted with VAR, but if it were up to me, I’d rid the game of it, without hesitation. It hasn’t improved my enjoyment of any aspect of football one iota, only quite the opposite.
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/gary-neville-england-harry-kane-penalty-b2577635.html
An absolute disgrace according to Gary Neville.
Anywhere else on the pitch if a player plays the ball and gets clattered as he does so it's a foul.
For years this rule hasn't been applied properly when it happens in the box (keepers have always got away it) and it's good to see it finally being implemented.correctly.
https://x.com/EwanMacKenna/status/1811151487826846061
there was a handball by Saka in the lead up to the pen aswell
Agreed, it is a harsh penalty, but it is dangerous playing studs up.
The fact that someone 12 yards away from the corner flag, moving away from goal can be given a free shot at goal for a minor infringement is wrong. Cascarino has been saying it for years.
Maybe reasons for penalties need to be reviewed and indirect free kicks given inside the penalty area should be the way forward?
comment by Not So Bored As Fudge (U21998)
posted 4 minutes ago
Agreed, it is a harsh penalty, but it is dangerous playing studs up.
The fact that someone 12 yards away from the corner flag, moving away from goal can be given a free shot at goal for a minor infringement is wrong. Cascarino has been saying it for years.
Maybe reasons for penalties need to be reviewed and indirect free kicks given inside the penalty area should be the way forward?
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Yeah if VAR is going to ref the game to a micro degree like it's now doing then indirect free kicks might be the way forward for the softer fouls.
Not sure how you can deem what's a soft foul though and will probably open up an even bigger can of worms.
comment by Not So Bored As Fudge (U21998)
posted 3 minutes ago
Agreed, it is a harsh penalty, but it is dangerous playing studs up.
The fact that someone 12 yards away from the corner flag, moving away from goal can be given a free shot at goal for a minor infringement is wrong. Cascarino has been saying it for years.
Maybe reasons for penalties need to be reviewed and indirect free kicks given inside the penalty area should be the way forward?
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Completely agree. To add to your point, ive always felt that the player fouled has to take the penalty, not someone who was 10 yards away and not involved in play.
definitely not a disgrace
someone just reminded me in the office that Romero got sent off for similar vs Chelsea
comment by Shaun M - supercalifragilisticOrtaisatrocious (U9955)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Not So Bored As Fudge (U21998)
posted 3 minutes ago
Agreed, it is a harsh penalty, but it is dangerous playing studs up.
The fact that someone 12 yards away from the corner flag, moving away from goal can be given a free shot at goal for a minor infringement is wrong. Cascarino has been saying it for years.
Maybe reasons for penalties need to be reviewed and indirect free kicks given inside the penalty area should be the way forward?
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Completely agree. To add to your point, ive always felt that the player fouled has to take the penalty, not someone who was 10 yards away and not involved in play.
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Great point, even my wife (bless her) has always said the person fouled takes the free kick/penalty.
The ref would either play advantage or give a foul for that challenge outside the box, why should it be any different because it’s in the penalty area?
Nothing to see here, everyone should just move on
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 4 minutes ago
The ref would either play advantage or give a foul for that challenge outside the box, why should it be any different because it’s in the penalty area?
Nothing to see here, everyone should just move on
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there was a handball by Saka a second before the penalty incident
https://x.com/EwanMacKenna/status/1811151487826846061
Would have been harsh to say the least if he had given that handball.
It's one of those that the ref's given a decision to make. It's on the harsh side alright, but we've all seen them awarded. There are plenty of instances where a defender make contact with the striker after the latter gets his shot off. They're rarely awarded or called back, but some are.
That said, it's almost entirely Kane's reaction that fabricates the incident. If he doesn't go down as if he'd just trodden on an antipersonnel mine, there's no way that's getting reviewed and the ref called to look at it. Not too dissimilar to the penalty he tried to buy against Switzerland, only this one hit the jackpot.
Kane's a really superb striker (albeit not at his best right now, obviously), but he's also one of the greatest con artists in football and has been for years.
Not that I'm going to get all high and mighty on this. Conning the ref is pretty much part and parcel of the game nowadays, so Kane's merely 'doing his job', and he's bloody good at it. What gets me is that I constantly read criticisms of other country's 'cheating', and I'm well aware that Spain are one of the worst European sides in this regard, but when it comes to England's no.9, the silence is deafening.
To be fair that would have bloody hurt. Kane like many players do look for pens but I don't think he was last night.
For me it was a pen
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 10 minutes ago
It's one of those that the ref's given a decision to make. It's on the harsh side alright, but we've all seen them awarded. There are plenty of instances where a defender make contact with the striker after the latter gets his shot off. They're rarely awarded or called back, but some are.
That said, it's almost entirely Kane's reaction that fabricates the incident. If he doesn't go down as if he'd just trodden on an antipersonnel mine, there's no way that's getting reviewed and the ref called to look at it. Not too dissimilar to the penalty he tried to buy against Switzerland, only this one hit the jackpot.
Kane's a really superb striker (albeit not at his best right now, obviously), but he's also one of the greatest con artists in football and has been for years.
Not that I'm going to get all high and mighty on this. Conning the ref is pretty much part and parcel of the game nowadays, so Kane's merely 'doing his job', and he's bloody good at it. What gets me is that I constantly read criticisms of other country's 'cheating', and I'm well aware that Spain are one of the worst European sides in this regard, but when it comes to England's no.9, the silence is deafening.
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People call Kane out all the time for it, what the fvck are you on about?!
comment by Fred: Mamba Worships at the Altar of Winston (U3979)
posted 3 minutes ago
People call Kane out all the time for it, what the fvck are you on about?!
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Not when he's in an England shirt they don't. All the focus today is on whether it's a pen or not, rather than Kane's role in buying it.
The only pundit who I've read had something to say about Kane milking it was Keane.
Hope we get one in the 90th minute on Sunday
What makes the difference for me was the way Dumfries went in. Foot high and studs up, which one could argue is a natural position for a bouncing ball.
But it's his body position that stands out...he effectively turns his back on the challenge while forcefully hanging his leg out there....a bit of a cowards challenge and makes it look a bit more out of control than just an attempted block. You dont go in, raised straight leg and back turned on a challenge.
Borderline but more a penalty than not IMO and as others have said a freekick and all day long anywhere else on the pitch
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posted on 11/7/24
Never a pen. If that is then the rules are very wrong. That’s incredibly lucky to get that.
posted on 11/7/24
I was shaking my head until I’d watched the replay about three or four times. Without VAR, that’s never, ever given IMO.
Love it or hate it (probably love it this morning!), in practice it hasn’t just been about trying to make correct decisions; VAR has changed the kinds of decisions referees are making.
posted on 11/7/24
The challenge was so forceful it left Kane maimed for the rest of the match.
posted on 11/7/24
I get the controversy. I understand both sides of the argument but imo the game's heading in a bad direction if every challenge like that leads to a penalty.
posted on 11/7/24
comment by 115 reasons why ours is better (U22832)
posted 6 minutes ago
I get the controversy. I understand both sides of the argument but imo the game's heading in a bad direction if every challenge like that leads to a penalty.
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agreed
posted on 11/7/24
It's a weird one for me.
Outside the box I think it's a foul which means it should be a penalty, but giving essentially a free goal for such a minor challenge feels very harsh.
posted on 11/7/24
A mate of mine was shouting, “Eeeez dangereuse, eeeez dangereuse!” (he’s French) and I was telling him to calm down.
You watch the replay and realise that yeah, that challenge could be construed as pretty damn dangerous.
But if you’re the ref, you’re never going to be able to discern that in a million years without VAR, you just aren’t. And as such, you cannot give the pen.
In *effect* the rules of the game are different when VAR is in action. That means that we aren’t all playing the same game anymore, which for me personally is really sad. It further separates what’s happening on school pitches and playing fields from what’s happening in elite football.
The horse has long bolted with VAR, but if it were up to me, I’d rid the game of it, without hesitation. It hasn’t improved my enjoyment of any aspect of football one iota, only quite the opposite.
posted on 11/7/24
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/gary-neville-england-harry-kane-penalty-b2577635.html
An absolute disgrace according to Gary Neville.
posted on 11/7/24
Anywhere else on the pitch if a player plays the ball and gets clattered as he does so it's a foul.
For years this rule hasn't been applied properly when it happens in the box (keepers have always got away it) and it's good to see it finally being implemented.correctly.
posted on 11/7/24
https://x.com/EwanMacKenna/status/1811151487826846061
posted on 11/7/24
there was a handball by Saka in the lead up to the pen aswell
posted on 11/7/24
Agreed, it is a harsh penalty, but it is dangerous playing studs up.
The fact that someone 12 yards away from the corner flag, moving away from goal can be given a free shot at goal for a minor infringement is wrong. Cascarino has been saying it for years.
Maybe reasons for penalties need to be reviewed and indirect free kicks given inside the penalty area should be the way forward?
posted on 11/7/24
comment by Not So Bored As Fudge (U21998)
posted 4 minutes ago
Agreed, it is a harsh penalty, but it is dangerous playing studs up.
The fact that someone 12 yards away from the corner flag, moving away from goal can be given a free shot at goal for a minor infringement is wrong. Cascarino has been saying it for years.
Maybe reasons for penalties need to be reviewed and indirect free kicks given inside the penalty area should be the way forward?
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Yeah if VAR is going to ref the game to a micro degree like it's now doing then indirect free kicks might be the way forward for the softer fouls.
Not sure how you can deem what's a soft foul though and will probably open up an even bigger can of worms.
posted on 11/7/24
comment by Not So Bored As Fudge (U21998)
posted 3 minutes ago
Agreed, it is a harsh penalty, but it is dangerous playing studs up.
The fact that someone 12 yards away from the corner flag, moving away from goal can be given a free shot at goal for a minor infringement is wrong. Cascarino has been saying it for years.
Maybe reasons for penalties need to be reviewed and indirect free kicks given inside the penalty area should be the way forward?
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Completely agree. To add to your point, ive always felt that the player fouled has to take the penalty, not someone who was 10 yards away and not involved in play.
posted on 11/7/24
definitely not a disgrace
someone just reminded me in the office that Romero got sent off for similar vs Chelsea
posted on 11/7/24
comment by Shaun M - supercalifragilisticOrtaisatrocious (U9955)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Not So Bored As Fudge (U21998)
posted 3 minutes ago
Agreed, it is a harsh penalty, but it is dangerous playing studs up.
The fact that someone 12 yards away from the corner flag, moving away from goal can be given a free shot at goal for a minor infringement is wrong. Cascarino has been saying it for years.
Maybe reasons for penalties need to be reviewed and indirect free kicks given inside the penalty area should be the way forward?
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Completely agree. To add to your point, ive always felt that the player fouled has to take the penalty, not someone who was 10 yards away and not involved in play.
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Great point, even my wife (bless her) has always said the person fouled takes the free kick/penalty.
posted on 11/7/24
The ref would either play advantage or give a foul for that challenge outside the box, why should it be any different because it’s in the penalty area?
Nothing to see here, everyone should just move on
posted on 11/7/24
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 4 minutes ago
The ref would either play advantage or give a foul for that challenge outside the box, why should it be any different because it’s in the penalty area?
Nothing to see here, everyone should just move on
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there was a handball by Saka a second before the penalty incident
https://x.com/EwanMacKenna/status/1811151487826846061
posted on 11/7/24
Would have been harsh to say the least if he had given that handball.
posted on 11/7/24
It's one of those that the ref's given a decision to make. It's on the harsh side alright, but we've all seen them awarded. There are plenty of instances where a defender make contact with the striker after the latter gets his shot off. They're rarely awarded or called back, but some are.
That said, it's almost entirely Kane's reaction that fabricates the incident. If he doesn't go down as if he'd just trodden on an antipersonnel mine, there's no way that's getting reviewed and the ref called to look at it. Not too dissimilar to the penalty he tried to buy against Switzerland, only this one hit the jackpot.
Kane's a really superb striker (albeit not at his best right now, obviously), but he's also one of the greatest con artists in football and has been for years.
Not that I'm going to get all high and mighty on this. Conning the ref is pretty much part and parcel of the game nowadays, so Kane's merely 'doing his job', and he's bloody good at it. What gets me is that I constantly read criticisms of other country's 'cheating', and I'm well aware that Spain are one of the worst European sides in this regard, but when it comes to England's no.9, the silence is deafening.
posted on 11/7/24
To be fair that would have bloody hurt. Kane like many players do look for pens but I don't think he was last night.
For me it was a pen
posted on 11/7/24
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 10 minutes ago
It's one of those that the ref's given a decision to make. It's on the harsh side alright, but we've all seen them awarded. There are plenty of instances where a defender make contact with the striker after the latter gets his shot off. They're rarely awarded or called back, but some are.
That said, it's almost entirely Kane's reaction that fabricates the incident. If he doesn't go down as if he'd just trodden on an antipersonnel mine, there's no way that's getting reviewed and the ref called to look at it. Not too dissimilar to the penalty he tried to buy against Switzerland, only this one hit the jackpot.
Kane's a really superb striker (albeit not at his best right now, obviously), but he's also one of the greatest con artists in football and has been for years.
Not that I'm going to get all high and mighty on this. Conning the ref is pretty much part and parcel of the game nowadays, so Kane's merely 'doing his job', and he's bloody good at it. What gets me is that I constantly read criticisms of other country's 'cheating', and I'm well aware that Spain are one of the worst European sides in this regard, but when it comes to England's no.9, the silence is deafening.
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People call Kane out all the time for it, what the fvck are you on about?!
posted on 11/7/24
comment by Fred: Mamba Worships at the Altar of Winston (U3979)
posted 3 minutes ago
People call Kane out all the time for it, what the fvck are you on about?!
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Not when he's in an England shirt they don't. All the focus today is on whether it's a pen or not, rather than Kane's role in buying it.
The only pundit who I've read had something to say about Kane milking it was Keane.
posted on 11/7/24
Hope we get one in the 90th minute on Sunday
posted on 11/7/24
What makes the difference for me was the way Dumfries went in. Foot high and studs up, which one could argue is a natural position for a bouncing ball.
But it's his body position that stands out...he effectively turns his back on the challenge while forcefully hanging his leg out there....a bit of a cowards challenge and makes it look a bit more out of control than just an attempted block. You dont go in, raised straight leg and back turned on a challenge.
Borderline but more a penalty than not IMO and as others have said a freekick and all day long anywhere else on the pitch
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