comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Fred: Mamba Worships at the Altar of Winston (U3979)
posted 3 minutes ago
People call Kane out all the time for it, what the fvck are you on about?!
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Not when he's in an England shirt they don't. All the focus today is on whether it's a pen or not, rather than Kane's role in buying it.
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so you're surprised that the english media isn't conducting a forensic analysis of just how bad the contact was, and how much pain kane was or was not in, after we reached the final of the euros?
blimey, ioag is one of the best non-english fans on here, but as a group they really do turn weird when england do well at tournaments.
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 25 minutes ago
It's one of those that the ref's given a decision to make. It's on the harsh side alright, but we've all seen them awarded. There are plenty of instances where a defender make contact with the striker after the latter gets his shot off. They're rarely awarded or called back, but some are.
That said, it's almost entirely Kane's reaction that fabricates the incident. If he doesn't go down as if he'd just trodden on an antipersonnel mine, there's no way that's getting reviewed and the ref called to look at it. Not too dissimilar to the penalty he tried to buy against Switzerland, only this one hit the jackpot.
Kane's a really superb striker (albeit not at his best right now, obviously), but he's also one of the greatest con artists in football and has been for years.
Not that I'm going to get all high and mighty on this. Conning the ref is pretty much part and parcel of the game nowadays, so Kane's merely 'doing his job', and he's bloody good at it. What gets me is that I constantly read criticisms of other country's 'cheating', and I'm well aware that Spain are one of the worst European sides in this regard, but when it comes to England's no.9, the silence is deafening.
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Watch the fecking replay man....that is a painful contact, from a full swing from Kane.
It's and the sort of thing that breaks a foot.
"Fabricated" give your head a wobble!
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Fred: Mamba Worships at the Altar of Winston (U3979)
posted 3 minutes ago
People call Kane out all the time for it, what the fvck are you on about?!
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Not when he's in an England shirt they don't. All the focus today is on whether it's a pen or not, rather than Kane's role in buying it.
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so you're surprised that the english media isn't conducting a forensic analysis of just how bad the contact was, and how much pain kane was or was not in, after we reached the final of the euros?
blimey, ioag is one of the best non-english fans on here, but as a group they really do turn weird when england do well at tournaments.
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Guilty, as charged.
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
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Guilty, as charged.
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i will admit that when i saw the 2nd/3rd replay, and paid attention to it, i did think that kane milked it a little...but such is football these days. and i'd like to think that bar the odd dinosaur (souness, say) or fool (shearer) the old "foreigners cheat, not we brave english" narrative has largely died a death.
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posted 2 hours ago
I was shaking my head until I’d watched the replay about three or four times. Without VAR, that’s never, ever given IMO.
Love it or hate it (probably love it this morning!), in practice it hasn’t just been about trying to make correct decisions; VAR has changed the kinds of decisions referees are making.
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No penalty for me and felt the re-reffed the game
As many have said, the game’s fecked if that’s a pen. Just another of the many fortunate things to have fallen right for the luckiest manager in football history. He really should do the lottery this week.
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comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 2 hours ago
I was shaking my head until I’d watched the replay about three or four times. Without VAR, that’s never, ever given IMO.
Love it or hate it (probably love it this morning!), in practice it hasn’t just been about trying to make correct decisions; VAR has changed the kinds of decisions referees are making.
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No penalty for me and felt the re-reffed the game
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It’s the re-reffing with different standards applied that gets me.
There are, in effect, different rules being applied in games with VAR to those being applied with games without. Without VAR, that’s never a penalty. With VAR, it’s a penalty.
There are two versions of the game being played around the globe, IMO to the detriment of the sport.
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comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 2 hours ago
I was shaking my head until I’d watched the replay about three or four times. Without VAR, that’s never, ever given IMO.
Love it or hate it (probably love it this morning!), in practice it hasn’t just been about trying to make correct decisions; VAR has changed the kinds of decisions referees are making.
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No penalty for me and felt the re-reffed the game
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It’s the re-reffing with different standards applied that gets me.
There are, in effect, different rules being applied in games with VAR to those being applied with games without. Without VAR, that’s never a penalty. With VAR, it’s a penalty.
There are two versions of the game being played around the globe, IMO to the detriment of the sport.
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Yep, for VAR to manufacture that “pen” last night, yet not even send the ref to the screen for the Armstrong one in the Scotland game, just shows how much they’re still making it up as they go along. If last night’s incident had involved Scotland I’m sure the ref would have awarded the pen, then VAR would have intervened to disallow it for the “clear” handball immediately beforehand.
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I was shaking my head until I’d watched the replay about three or four times. Without VAR, that’s never, ever given IMO.
Love it or hate it (probably love it this morning!), in practice it hasn’t just been about trying to make correct decisions; VAR has changed the kinds of decisions referees are making.
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No penalty for me and felt the re-reffed the game
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It’s the re-reffing with different standards applied that gets me.
There are, in effect, different rules being applied in games with VAR to those being applied with games without. Without VAR, that’s never a penalty. With VAR, it’s a penalty.
There are two versions of the game being played around the globe, IMO to the detriment of the sport.
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Yep, for VAR to manufacture that “pen” last night, yet not even send the ref to the screen for the Armstrong one in the Scotland game, just shows how much they’re still making it up as they go along. If last night’s incident had involved Scotland I’m sure the ref would have awarded the pen, then VAR would have intervened to disallow it for the “clear” handball immediately beforehand.
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cry more 😢
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posted 31 seconds ago
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I was shaking my head until I’d watched the replay about three or four times. Without VAR, that’s never, ever given IMO.
Love it or hate it (probably love it this morning!), in practice it hasn’t just been about trying to make correct decisions; VAR has changed the kinds of decisions referees are making.
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No penalty for me and felt the re-reffed the game
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It’s the re-reffing with different standards applied that gets me.
There are, in effect, different rules being applied in games with VAR to those being applied with games without. Without VAR, that’s never a penalty. With VAR, it’s a penalty.
There are two versions of the game being played around the globe, IMO to the detriment of the sport.
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Yep, for VAR to manufacture that “pen” last night, yet not even send the ref to the screen for the Armstrong one in the Scotland game, just shows how much they’re still making it up as they go along. If last night’s incident had involved Scotland I’m sure the ref would have awarded the pen, then VAR would have intervened to disallow it for the “clear” handball immediately beforehand.
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cry more 😢
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Hey, my missus is English, so she’s happy. Just highlighting the farcical nature of VAR, or more accurately the total inconsistency of how it’s applied. Even Shearer & Neville were saying last night’s VAR intervention was a disgrace.
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I was shaking my head until I’d watched the replay about three or four times. Without VAR, that’s never, ever given IMO.
Love it or hate it (probably love it this morning!), in practice it hasn’t just been about trying to make correct decisions; VAR has changed the kinds of decisions referees are making.
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No penalty for me and felt the re-reffed the game
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It’s the re-reffing with different standards applied that gets me.
There are, in effect, different rules being applied in games with VAR to those being applied with games without. Without VAR, that’s never a penalty. With VAR, it’s a penalty.
There are two versions of the game being played around the globe, IMO to the detriment of the sport.
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There are 2 sets of rules on any pitch....those that apply inside the area and those on the rest of the pitch.
No one would be complaining or surprised if that is given as a foul anywhere else on the pitch. Much lesser high feet challenges get penalised.
SO in the penalty area, where one player is having a full swing at it, makes contact, should it not be deemed as a foul. Not all fouls have to be deliberate, and most are just very slightly poorly timed. That is how i see this penalty incident, poorly timed, didnt get anything of the ball, studs up, very clear contact. I consider the ref got it wrong because you 100% know that if that's the halfway line he's giving a freekick for dangerous play/high foot.
Whether we think the bar should be higher in the penalty area, or whether such challenges should or should not be a foul is a different debate. Fact is, by the rules how they are applied in the modern game, that's viewed as a dangerous foul. First, refs need to be more consistent on how they judge these fouls and then VAR isnt the problem.
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I was shaking my head until I’d watched the replay about three or four times. Without VAR, that’s never, ever given IMO.
Love it or hate it (probably love it this morning!), in practice it hasn’t just been about trying to make correct decisions; VAR has changed the kinds of decisions referees are making.
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No penalty for me and felt the re-reffed the game
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It’s the re-reffing with different standards applied that gets me.
There are, in effect, different rules being applied in games with VAR to those being applied with games without. Without VAR, that’s never a penalty. With VAR, it’s a penalty.
There are two versions of the game being played around the globe, IMO to the detriment of the sport.
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Yep, for VAR to manufacture that “pen” last night, yet not even send the ref to the screen for the Armstrong one in the Scotland game, just shows how much they’re still making it up as they go along. If last night’s incident had involved Scotland I’m sure the ref would have awarded the pen, then VAR would have intervened to disallow it for the “clear” handball immediately beforehand.
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cry more 😢
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Hey, my missus is English, so she’s happy. Just highlighting the farcical nature of VAR, or more accurately the total inconsistency of how it’s applied. Even Shearer & Neville were saying last night’s VAR intervention was a disgrace.
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Shearer & Neville are dinosaurs. But you are right that there is inconsistency with VAR and refs. Doesn't make it a farce, nor that that penalty was manufactured because at the end of the day, those sorts of challenges get penalised almost everytime when outside the area and almost always in European competition.
It was 50/50 marginal call and fell on the English side.
To me it shows how refs now dodge the big decisions and allow VAR to re-ref games. That ref would have given that anywhere else on the pitch so should have put his big boy pants on and given it as a pen.
Both players feet were high but the difference being that Kane was shooting and Dumfries was trying to stop him. Kane got his shot off and then Dumfries’s studs caught him slightly afterwards.
Far more contentious is the grappling and wresting that goes on in the box at corners and free kicks, based on no penalties being given for these then the Dumfries challenge might appear harsh, however it would be given 99 times out of a 100 if anywhere else on the pitch.
Tbh I felt the defender was entitled to try and block the shot and Kane actually kicked him on the follow through, so no penalty for me.
Watching the German TV with German and Spanish friends, and no seemed to deny the penalty,it seems that only in Britain was it controversdial .
He stamped his foot. No one clears the ball by stamping it downwards. If he kicked it with his laces then no pen but he studded down the ball, missed and hit Kane.
Clear and obvious error and stonewall pen.
comment by Dumple (U23182)
posted 15 seconds ago
He stamped his foot. No one clears the ball by stamping it downwards. If he kicked it with his laces then no pen but he studded down the ball, missed and hit Kane.
Clear and obvious error and stonewall pen.
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If it was the other way around it would have been just as decisive with plenty of Scots saying it was clumsy, etc.
It’s a classic case of - sometimes they are given
The ref will get zero bother from that - there is no clear error from him giving the pen.
Tbh I felt the defender was entitled to try and block the shot and Kane actually kicked him on the follow through, so no penalty for me.
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100% correct, never for a minute did i think it would be given. Even when the ref went to the monitor he had the chance to say ‘no’, but decided to give it, I’ll take the luck, but for me no way should that be given as a penalty. We would have been as outraged as Koeman was, had it happened at the other end.
Fingers crossed our luck holds against the Spanish.
comment by reddave (U8660)
posted 28 minutes ago
Tbh I felt the defender was entitled to try and block the shot and Kane actually kicked him on the follow through, so no penalty for me.
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100% correct, never for a minute did i think it would be given. Even when the ref went to the monitor he had the chance to say ‘no’, but decided to give it, I’ll take the luck, but for me no way should that be given as a penalty. We would have been as outraged as Koeman was, had it happened at the other end.
Fingers crossed our luck holds against the Spanish.
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The honesty of a challenge is irrelevant. Yes he's entitled to go for it, but did he get it? was his foot high? Was he stretching? Were his studs up?
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posted 3 minutes ago
comment by reddave (U8660)
posted 28 minutes ago
Tbh I felt the defender was entitled to try and block the shot and Kane actually kicked him on the follow through, so no penalty for me.
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100% correct, never for a minute did i think it would be given. Even when the ref went to the monitor he had the chance to say ‘no’, but decided to give it, I’ll take the luck, but for me no way should that be given as a penalty. We would have been as outraged as Koeman was, had it happened at the other end.
Fingers crossed our luck holds against the Spanish.
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The honesty of a challenge is irrelevant. Yes he's entitled to go for it, but did he get it? was his foot high? Was he stretching? Were his studs up?
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Kane? Yep.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by reddave (U8660)
posted 28 minutes ago
Tbh I felt the defender was entitled to try and block the shot and Kane actually kicked him on the follow through, so no penalty for me.
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100% correct, never for a minute did i think it would be given. Even when the ref went to the monitor he had the chance to say ‘no’, but decided to give it, I’ll take the luck, but for me no way should that be given as a penalty. We would have been as outraged as Koeman was, had it happened at the other end.
Fingers crossed our luck holds against the Spanish.
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The honesty of a challenge is irrelevant. Yes he's entitled to go for it, but did he get it? was his foot high? Was he stretching? Were his studs up?
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Absolutely, this is the crux of the issue - most fouls conceded players don't 'mean' to do it (except the obvious cynical Rodri style tactical fouls).
I see people saying isn't Dumfries entitled to go for the ball - of course he is, just not be karate kicking Kane's foot with his studs up!
Compare this to when a striker takes the ball around the keeper and the keeper stretches for the ball, misses it and brings the striker down. Is the keeper entitled to go for the ball? Absolutely. Is it a foul if he misses the ball completely and brings the striker down, even if he tries not to? Of course it is - this inciident is exactly the same. Dumfries had time to get his whole body between ball and goal, not dangerously throw a high boot at it with studs up!
Not sure what I’m missing here but all I can see is Kane kicking Dumphries on the follow through, not the other way around.
The shot was gone too, the defender gained no advantage, just simple football stuff.
Honestly can’t see why people are saying Kane was kicked, when it’s his foot moving towards Dumphries after hitting the ball.
Nvm, I’ll take it.
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Not sure what I’m missing here but all I can see is Kane kicking Dumphries on the follow through, not the other way around.
The shot was gone too, the defender gained no advantage, just simple football stuff.
Honestly can’t see why people are saying Kane was kicked, when it’s his foot moving towards Dumphries after hitting the ball.
Nvm, I’ll take it.
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You're just using the wrong logic.
If Kane was tying his laces in the dutch box while Pickford and Stones were passing it between eachother down the other end of the pitch, and Dumfries came and stamped on his foot, is that not a penalty just because the ball is 100 yards away? Using your logic it isn't, but of course it would be.
If England has a corner and just as it's swung in head hight, Dumfries decides to see how high he can lift his right leg, and Kane, looking at the oncoming ball, when trying to head it, heads Dumfries' studs and falls down in a bloody heap, is that not a foul because Kanes head made the movement and Dumfries' foot was still? Using your logic it isn't, but of course it would be.
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posted on 11/7/24
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Fred: Mamba Worships at the Altar of Winston (U3979)
posted 3 minutes ago
People call Kane out all the time for it, what the fvck are you on about?!
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Not when he's in an England shirt they don't. All the focus today is on whether it's a pen or not, rather than Kane's role in buying it.
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so you're surprised that the english media isn't conducting a forensic analysis of just how bad the contact was, and how much pain kane was or was not in, after we reached the final of the euros?
blimey, ioag is one of the best non-english fans on here, but as a group they really do turn weird when england do well at tournaments.
posted on 11/7/24
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 25 minutes ago
It's one of those that the ref's given a decision to make. It's on the harsh side alright, but we've all seen them awarded. There are plenty of instances where a defender make contact with the striker after the latter gets his shot off. They're rarely awarded or called back, but some are.
That said, it's almost entirely Kane's reaction that fabricates the incident. If he doesn't go down as if he'd just trodden on an antipersonnel mine, there's no way that's getting reviewed and the ref called to look at it. Not too dissimilar to the penalty he tried to buy against Switzerland, only this one hit the jackpot.
Kane's a really superb striker (albeit not at his best right now, obviously), but he's also one of the greatest con artists in football and has been for years.
Not that I'm going to get all high and mighty on this. Conning the ref is pretty much part and parcel of the game nowadays, so Kane's merely 'doing his job', and he's bloody good at it. What gets me is that I constantly read criticisms of other country's 'cheating', and I'm well aware that Spain are one of the worst European sides in this regard, but when it comes to England's no.9, the silence is deafening.
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Watch the fecking replay man....that is a painful contact, from a full swing from Kane.
It's and the sort of thing that breaks a foot.
"Fabricated" give your head a wobble!
posted on 11/7/24
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Fred: Mamba Worships at the Altar of Winston (U3979)
posted 3 minutes ago
People call Kane out all the time for it, what the fvck are you on about?!
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Not when he's in an England shirt they don't. All the focus today is on whether it's a pen or not, rather than Kane's role in buying it.
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so you're surprised that the english media isn't conducting a forensic analysis of just how bad the contact was, and how much pain kane was or was not in, after we reached the final of the euros?
blimey, ioag is one of the best non-english fans on here, but as a group they really do turn weird when england do well at tournaments.
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Guilty, as charged.
posted on 11/7/24
Fabricated 😹
posted on 11/7/24
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
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Guilty, as charged.
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i will admit that when i saw the 2nd/3rd replay, and paid attention to it, i did think that kane milked it a little...but such is football these days. and i'd like to think that bar the odd dinosaur (souness, say) or fool (shearer) the old "foreigners cheat, not we brave english" narrative has largely died a death.
posted on 11/7/24
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 2 hours ago
I was shaking my head until I’d watched the replay about three or four times. Without VAR, that’s never, ever given IMO.
Love it or hate it (probably love it this morning!), in practice it hasn’t just been about trying to make correct decisions; VAR has changed the kinds of decisions referees are making.
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No penalty for me and felt the re-reffed the game
posted on 11/7/24
As many have said, the game’s fecked if that’s a pen. Just another of the many fortunate things to have fallen right for the luckiest manager in football history. He really should do the lottery this week.
posted on 11/7/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 2 hours ago
I was shaking my head until I’d watched the replay about three or four times. Without VAR, that’s never, ever given IMO.
Love it or hate it (probably love it this morning!), in practice it hasn’t just been about trying to make correct decisions; VAR has changed the kinds of decisions referees are making.
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No penalty for me and felt the re-reffed the game
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It’s the re-reffing with different standards applied that gets me.
There are, in effect, different rules being applied in games with VAR to those being applied with games without. Without VAR, that’s never a penalty. With VAR, it’s a penalty.
There are two versions of the game being played around the globe, IMO to the detriment of the sport.
posted on 11/7/24
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comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
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comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 2 hours ago
I was shaking my head until I’d watched the replay about three or four times. Without VAR, that’s never, ever given IMO.
Love it or hate it (probably love it this morning!), in practice it hasn’t just been about trying to make correct decisions; VAR has changed the kinds of decisions referees are making.
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No penalty for me and felt the re-reffed the game
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It’s the re-reffing with different standards applied that gets me.
There are, in effect, different rules being applied in games with VAR to those being applied with games without. Without VAR, that’s never a penalty. With VAR, it’s a penalty.
There are two versions of the game being played around the globe, IMO to the detriment of the sport.
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Yep, for VAR to manufacture that “pen” last night, yet not even send the ref to the screen for the Armstrong one in the Scotland game, just shows how much they’re still making it up as they go along. If last night’s incident had involved Scotland I’m sure the ref would have awarded the pen, then VAR would have intervened to disallow it for the “clear” handball immediately beforehand.
posted on 11/7/24
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 31 seconds ago
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comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 2 hours ago
I was shaking my head until I’d watched the replay about three or four times. Without VAR, that’s never, ever given IMO.
Love it or hate it (probably love it this morning!), in practice it hasn’t just been about trying to make correct decisions; VAR has changed the kinds of decisions referees are making.
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No penalty for me and felt the re-reffed the game
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It’s the re-reffing with different standards applied that gets me.
There are, in effect, different rules being applied in games with VAR to those being applied with games without. Without VAR, that’s never a penalty. With VAR, it’s a penalty.
There are two versions of the game being played around the globe, IMO to the detriment of the sport.
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Yep, for VAR to manufacture that “pen” last night, yet not even send the ref to the screen for the Armstrong one in the Scotland game, just shows how much they’re still making it up as they go along. If last night’s incident had involved Scotland I’m sure the ref would have awarded the pen, then VAR would have intervened to disallow it for the “clear” handball immediately beforehand.
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cry more 😢
posted on 11/7/24
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posted 3 minutes ago
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posted 31 seconds ago
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comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
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comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 2 hours ago
I was shaking my head until I’d watched the replay about three or four times. Without VAR, that’s never, ever given IMO.
Love it or hate it (probably love it this morning!), in practice it hasn’t just been about trying to make correct decisions; VAR has changed the kinds of decisions referees are making.
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No penalty for me and felt the re-reffed the game
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It’s the re-reffing with different standards applied that gets me.
There are, in effect, different rules being applied in games with VAR to those being applied with games without. Without VAR, that’s never a penalty. With VAR, it’s a penalty.
There are two versions of the game being played around the globe, IMO to the detriment of the sport.
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Yep, for VAR to manufacture that “pen” last night, yet not even send the ref to the screen for the Armstrong one in the Scotland game, just shows how much they’re still making it up as they go along. If last night’s incident had involved Scotland I’m sure the ref would have awarded the pen, then VAR would have intervened to disallow it for the “clear” handball immediately beforehand.
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cry more 😢
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Hey, my missus is English, so she’s happy. Just highlighting the farcical nature of VAR, or more accurately the total inconsistency of how it’s applied. Even Shearer & Neville were saying last night’s VAR intervention was a disgrace.
posted on 11/7/24
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I was shaking my head until I’d watched the replay about three or four times. Without VAR, that’s never, ever given IMO.
Love it or hate it (probably love it this morning!), in practice it hasn’t just been about trying to make correct decisions; VAR has changed the kinds of decisions referees are making.
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No penalty for me and felt the re-reffed the game
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It’s the re-reffing with different standards applied that gets me.
There are, in effect, different rules being applied in games with VAR to those being applied with games without. Without VAR, that’s never a penalty. With VAR, it’s a penalty.
There are two versions of the game being played around the globe, IMO to the detriment of the sport.
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There are 2 sets of rules on any pitch....those that apply inside the area and those on the rest of the pitch.
No one would be complaining or surprised if that is given as a foul anywhere else on the pitch. Much lesser high feet challenges get penalised.
SO in the penalty area, where one player is having a full swing at it, makes contact, should it not be deemed as a foul. Not all fouls have to be deliberate, and most are just very slightly poorly timed. That is how i see this penalty incident, poorly timed, didnt get anything of the ball, studs up, very clear contact. I consider the ref got it wrong because you 100% know that if that's the halfway line he's giving a freekick for dangerous play/high foot.
Whether we think the bar should be higher in the penalty area, or whether such challenges should or should not be a foul is a different debate. Fact is, by the rules how they are applied in the modern game, that's viewed as a dangerous foul. First, refs need to be more consistent on how they judge these fouls and then VAR isnt the problem.
posted on 11/7/24
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
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I was shaking my head until I’d watched the replay about three or four times. Without VAR, that’s never, ever given IMO.
Love it or hate it (probably love it this morning!), in practice it hasn’t just been about trying to make correct decisions; VAR has changed the kinds of decisions referees are making.
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No penalty for me and felt the re-reffed the game
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It’s the re-reffing with different standards applied that gets me.
There are, in effect, different rules being applied in games with VAR to those being applied with games without. Without VAR, that’s never a penalty. With VAR, it’s a penalty.
There are two versions of the game being played around the globe, IMO to the detriment of the sport.
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Yep, for VAR to manufacture that “pen” last night, yet not even send the ref to the screen for the Armstrong one in the Scotland game, just shows how much they’re still making it up as they go along. If last night’s incident had involved Scotland I’m sure the ref would have awarded the pen, then VAR would have intervened to disallow it for the “clear” handball immediately beforehand.
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cry more 😢
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Hey, my missus is English, so she’s happy. Just highlighting the farcical nature of VAR, or more accurately the total inconsistency of how it’s applied. Even Shearer & Neville were saying last night’s VAR intervention was a disgrace.
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Shearer & Neville are dinosaurs. But you are right that there is inconsistency with VAR and refs. Doesn't make it a farce, nor that that penalty was manufactured because at the end of the day, those sorts of challenges get penalised almost everytime when outside the area and almost always in European competition.
It was 50/50 marginal call and fell on the English side.
To me it shows how refs now dodge the big decisions and allow VAR to re-ref games. That ref would have given that anywhere else on the pitch so should have put his big boy pants on and given it as a pen.
posted on 11/7/24
Both players feet were high but the difference being that Kane was shooting and Dumfries was trying to stop him. Kane got his shot off and then Dumfries’s studs caught him slightly afterwards.
Far more contentious is the grappling and wresting that goes on in the box at corners and free kicks, based on no penalties being given for these then the Dumfries challenge might appear harsh, however it would be given 99 times out of a 100 if anywhere else on the pitch.
posted on 11/7/24
and the Saka handball ?
posted on 11/7/24
Tbh I felt the defender was entitled to try and block the shot and Kane actually kicked him on the follow through, so no penalty for me.
posted on 11/7/24
Watching the German TV with German and Spanish friends, and no seemed to deny the penalty,it seems that only in Britain was it controversdial .
posted on 11/7/24
He stamped his foot. No one clears the ball by stamping it downwards. If he kicked it with his laces then no pen but he studded down the ball, missed and hit Kane.
Clear and obvious error and stonewall pen.
posted on 11/7/24
comment by Dumple (U23182)
posted 15 seconds ago
He stamped his foot. No one clears the ball by stamping it downwards. If he kicked it with his laces then no pen but he studded down the ball, missed and hit Kane.
Clear and obvious error and stonewall pen.
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If it was the other way around it would have been just as decisive with plenty of Scots saying it was clumsy, etc.
It’s a classic case of - sometimes they are given
The ref will get zero bother from that - there is no clear error from him giving the pen.
posted on 11/7/24
Tbh I felt the defender was entitled to try and block the shot and Kane actually kicked him on the follow through, so no penalty for me.
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100% correct, never for a minute did i think it would be given. Even when the ref went to the monitor he had the chance to say ‘no’, but decided to give it, I’ll take the luck, but for me no way should that be given as a penalty. We would have been as outraged as Koeman was, had it happened at the other end.
Fingers crossed our luck holds against the Spanish.
posted on 11/7/24
comment by reddave (U8660)
posted 28 minutes ago
Tbh I felt the defender was entitled to try and block the shot and Kane actually kicked him on the follow through, so no penalty for me.
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100% correct, never for a minute did i think it would be given. Even when the ref went to the monitor he had the chance to say ‘no’, but decided to give it, I’ll take the luck, but for me no way should that be given as a penalty. We would have been as outraged as Koeman was, had it happened at the other end.
Fingers crossed our luck holds against the Spanish.
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The honesty of a challenge is irrelevant. Yes he's entitled to go for it, but did he get it? was his foot high? Was he stretching? Were his studs up?
posted on 11/7/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by reddave (U8660)
posted 28 minutes ago
Tbh I felt the defender was entitled to try and block the shot and Kane actually kicked him on the follow through, so no penalty for me.
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100% correct, never for a minute did i think it would be given. Even when the ref went to the monitor he had the chance to say ‘no’, but decided to give it, I’ll take the luck, but for me no way should that be given as a penalty. We would have been as outraged as Koeman was, had it happened at the other end.
Fingers crossed our luck holds against the Spanish.
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The honesty of a challenge is irrelevant. Yes he's entitled to go for it, but did he get it? was his foot high? Was he stretching? Were his studs up?
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Kane? Yep.
posted on 11/7/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by reddave (U8660)
posted 28 minutes ago
Tbh I felt the defender was entitled to try and block the shot and Kane actually kicked him on the follow through, so no penalty for me.
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100% correct, never for a minute did i think it would be given. Even when the ref went to the monitor he had the chance to say ‘no’, but decided to give it, I’ll take the luck, but for me no way should that be given as a penalty. We would have been as outraged as Koeman was, had it happened at the other end.
Fingers crossed our luck holds against the Spanish.
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The honesty of a challenge is irrelevant. Yes he's entitled to go for it, but did he get it? was his foot high? Was he stretching? Were his studs up?
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Absolutely, this is the crux of the issue - most fouls conceded players don't 'mean' to do it (except the obvious cynical Rodri style tactical fouls).
I see people saying isn't Dumfries entitled to go for the ball - of course he is, just not be karate kicking Kane's foot with his studs up!
Compare this to when a striker takes the ball around the keeper and the keeper stretches for the ball, misses it and brings the striker down. Is the keeper entitled to go for the ball? Absolutely. Is it a foul if he misses the ball completely and brings the striker down, even if he tries not to? Of course it is - this inciident is exactly the same. Dumfries had time to get his whole body between ball and goal, not dangerously throw a high boot at it with studs up!
posted on 11/7/24
Not sure what I’m missing here but all I can see is Kane kicking Dumphries on the follow through, not the other way around.
The shot was gone too, the defender gained no advantage, just simple football stuff.
Honestly can’t see why people are saying Kane was kicked, when it’s his foot moving towards Dumphries after hitting the ball.
Nvm, I’ll take it.
posted on 11/7/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Not sure what I’m missing here but all I can see is Kane kicking Dumphries on the follow through, not the other way around.
The shot was gone too, the defender gained no advantage, just simple football stuff.
Honestly can’t see why people are saying Kane was kicked, when it’s his foot moving towards Dumphries after hitting the ball.
Nvm, I’ll take it.
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You're just using the wrong logic.
If Kane was tying his laces in the dutch box while Pickford and Stones were passing it between eachother down the other end of the pitch, and Dumfries came and stamped on his foot, is that not a penalty just because the ball is 100 yards away? Using your logic it isn't, but of course it would be.
If England has a corner and just as it's swung in head hight, Dumfries decides to see how high he can lift his right leg, and Kane, looking at the oncoming ball, when trying to head it, heads Dumfries' studs and falls down in a bloody heap, is that not a foul because Kanes head made the movement and Dumfries' foot was still? Using your logic it isn't, but of course it would be.
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