posted 6 days, 5 hours ago
There’s no doubt here that Rayner has tried to pull a fast one with setting up the trust, but now she’s blaming someone’s making an error, bulllshitte!
She knew exactly what she was doing! She’s been found out and now she’s trying to get some sort of sympathy in the wake of it!
And this was Starmers views on tax evasion!
“Tax evasion involving dishonest fraud is not a sort of fraud, it is fraud. It is criminal and it should be treated as all other fraud is treated. In my view, criminal prosecution should be the default position for tax evasion and not civil penalties. So the default position needs to be changed. “It is very important to send a signal. This is about a culture and you only change a culture by using all the weapons at your disposal and a crown prosecution is a very powerful weapon. People go to prison for quite significant periods of time.”’
Meanwhile Rachel from accounts is probably chuffed to bits in the Rayner story breaking today with the feck up she’s making with the economy!
Where’s FOAR and Hector when you need them?
posted 6 days, 3 hours ago
They're on another thread trying to defend her because she's allegedly working class.
posted 6 days, 3 hours ago
https://www.facebook.com/reel/1095187608954210/?fs=e&s=TIeQ9V&fs=e&fs=e
Here he is again, can either Hec or FannyAnnie defend her after Starmer also said that?
posted 6 days, 2 hours ago
Well apparently some seem to think she's being attacked because she's a ginger class working woman.
Not the deputy PM of the the UK who should be erring on the side of extreme caution when it comes to her tax affairs.
posted 6 days, 2 hours ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
in fairness i think it is complicated by the fact that she is divorced, and the family home is in trust to her kids but that still does not get away from the fact that it is quite clearly a second home and quite clearly not her primary residence. IMO, it is more likely that an advisor would be telling her that she could make a saving by declaring it her primary home, as opposed to advising her that it actually is her primary residence.
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I don't think primary residence comes into it for stamp duty, it's simply a case of whether your name is on the deeds of another home, even if it's not in the UK and you don't live there, it sill counts as a second home (I find that ridiculous that you can own a home in another Country and it still counts personally)
I'm guessing when she sold her interest in the home to the trust her name wasn't removed from the deeds. The timing of it was suspect.
posted 6 days, 2 hours ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted about an hour ago
They're on another thread trying to defend her because she's allegedly working class.
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just had a look, the luvies ain’t taking this too well.
posted 5 days, 8 hours ago
Also upset that I come on here to get away from people talking about class, background, and hair colour, and getting personal about it, instead of actually discussing how she might have fallen foul of the tax system.
In fact having read what the rule was that she got caught out by I have more sympathy for her. It's about time this Government discussed HMRC's overly complicated rules of taxation.
Still think she's made an unrecoverable error though.
posted 5 days, 8 hours ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 3 minutes ago
Also upset that I come on here to get away from people talking about class, background, and hair colour, and getting personal about it, instead of actually discussing how she might have fallen foul of the tax system.
In fact having read what the rule was that she got caught out by I have more sympathy for her. It's about time this Government discussed HMRC's overly complicated rules of taxation.
Still think she's made an unrecoverable error though.
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HMRCs rules exist in part to allow wealthy people to pay less tax, gonna be a big fight to get them sorted.
posted 5 days, 8 hours ago
Agreed.
I think they also in part exist to keep tax experts in pocket. The fact she has to go to an expert to determine whether she owns a house or not for the purpose of stamp duty is ridiculous.
posted 5 days, 8 hours ago
Is she a Right Honourable by any chance ? just asking ,
posted 5 days, 8 hours ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 22 minutes ago
Also upset that I come on here to get away from people talking about class, background, and hair colour, and getting personal about it, instead of actually discussing how she might have fallen foul of the tax system.
In fact having read what the rule was that she got caught out by I have more sympathy for her. It's about time this Government discussed HMRC's overly complicated rules of taxation.
Still think she's made an unrecoverable error though.
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Yeah the optics are terrible for Labour, housing minister avoids some stamp duty buying a property because of bad advice
You couldn’t make it up
posted 5 days, 8 hours ago
comment by The Assassin😎 AKA Pranks☺️ (U22336)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 22 minutes ago
Also upset that I come on here to get away from people talking about class, background, and hair colour, and getting personal about it, instead of actually discussing how she might have fallen foul of the tax system.
In fact having read what the rule was that she got caught out by I have more sympathy for her. It's about time this Government discussed HMRC's overly complicated rules of taxation.
Still think she's made an unrecoverable error though.
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Yeah the optics are terrible for Labour, housing minister avoids some stamp duty buying a property because of bad advice
You couldn’t make it up
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not only that, she is described as the Labour "attack dog" on ethics and has been the one fronting the attack on Tory sleaze when in opposition....calling for heads left right and centre.
She may have to sell her second home if she gets demoted. No wonder she's hanging on with her false finger nails.
posted 5 days, 8 hours ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted about 18 hours ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
in fairness i think it is complicated by the fact that she is divorced, and the family home is in trust to her kids but that still does not get away from the fact that it is quite clearly a second home and quite clearly not her primary residence. IMO, it is more likely that an advisor would be telling her that she could make a saving by declaring it her primary home, as opposed to advising her that it actually is her primary residence.
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I don't think primary residence comes into it for stamp duty, it's simply a case of whether your name is on the deeds of another home, even if it's not in the UK and you don't live there, it sill counts as a second home (I find that ridiculous that you can own a home in another Country and it still counts personally)
I'm guessing when she sold her interest in the home to the trust her name wasn't removed from the deeds. The timing of it was suspect.
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Her kids are minors so while its in trust to them, it aint theirs and will remain property of hers/her ex
posted 5 days, 7 hours ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted about 18 hours ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
in fairness i think it is complicated by the fact that she is divorced, and the family home is in trust to her kids but that still does not get away from the fact that it is quite clearly a second home and quite clearly not her primary residence. IMO, it is more likely that an advisor would be telling her that she could make a saving by declaring it her primary home, as opposed to advising her that it actually is her primary residence.
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I don't think primary residence comes into it for stamp duty, it's simply a case of whether your name is on the deeds of another home, even if it's not in the UK and you don't live there, it sill counts as a second home (I find that ridiculous that you can own a home in another Country and it still counts personally)
I'm guessing when she sold her interest in the home to the trust her name wasn't removed from the deeds. The timing of it was suspect.
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Her kids are minors so while its in trust to them, it aint theirs and will remain property of hers/her ex
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Yeah this was the error, but it’s really quite a basic error to make.
posted 5 days, 7 hours ago
I had a similar thing with my wife because her parents left her their home in advance of their death in a foreign Country. Rather than running the gauntlet with HMRC we just paid the extra stamp duty.
posted 4 days, 23 hours ago
https://x.com/LeilaniDowding/status/1963517386448892310
posted 4 days, 13 hours ago
Big article on the bbc this morning practically laying out the road towards success for reform based on brexit voters.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy853rj2kzo
Which makes me wonder, should I bother to do a the same thing I did with brexit, argue why people shouldn't vote reform, only for the political leaders I want to win to play into their hands, and people on social media to insult those on the fence into voting for them?
Or should I just accept that history is doomed to repeat itself and plan accordingly?
posted 4 days, 13 hours ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 15 minutes ago
Big article on the bbc this morning practically laying out the road towards success for reform based on brexit voters.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy853rj2kzo
Which makes me wonder, should I bother to do a the same thing I did with brexit, argue why people shouldn't vote reform, only for the political leaders I want to win to play into their hands, and people on social media to insult those on the fence into voting for them?
Or should I just accept that history is doomed to repeat itself and plan accordingly?
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Long way to go yet, but I just personally just can’t stand Farage.
I voted remain and in the last election voted Labour because I wanted some change but it just hasn’t happened. The worst of it though for me is how they’ve attacked businesses and really affected growth.
Jobs are down, projected growth is down, unemployment up, inflation up, and cost of living is up.
Just a shiiiiit show.
posted 4 days, 13 hours ago
https://x.com/addicted2newz/status/1963508801769795840?s=46
posted 4 days, 12 hours ago
comment by Tony Le Mesmer (U1449)
posted 8 minutes ago
https://x.com/addicted2newz/status/1963508801769795840?s=46
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posted 4 days, 12 hours ago
comment by The Assassin😎 AKA Pranks☺️ (U22336)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Tony Le Mesmer (U1449)
posted 8 minutes ago
https://x.com/addicted2newz/status/1963508801769795840?s=46
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Give her a break the poor girl, she's only trying to make a living !
posted 4 days, 9 hours ago
She gone
posted 4 days, 8 hours ago
comment by The Assassin😎 AKA Pranks☺️ (U22336)
posted 45 seconds ago
She gone
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For Sale:
2 bedroom apartment, Hove. Barely used. Priced for a quick sale.
posted 4 days, 8 hours ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by The Assassin😎 AKA Pranks☺️ (U22336)
posted 45 seconds ago
She gone
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For Sale:
2 bedroom apartment, Hove. Barely used. Priced for a quick sale.
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🤣🤣…She had no chance of staying on!
To think our old lefty mate was giving his usual the other day about RW tabloids spreading lies again!
The only lies were from Rayner!
posted 4 days, 8 hours ago
So where are the two clowns who had soooo much to say about this wonderful (in their eyes) labour government, I mean fanniered and old Hector ? Come on lads give us your thoughts ! please.
Sign in if you want to comment
Sir Keir Starmer !
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posted 6 days, 5 hours ago
There’s no doubt here that Rayner has tried to pull a fast one with setting up the trust, but now she’s blaming someone’s making an error, bulllshitte!
She knew exactly what she was doing! She’s been found out and now she’s trying to get some sort of sympathy in the wake of it!
And this was Starmers views on tax evasion!
“Tax evasion involving dishonest fraud is not a sort of fraud, it is fraud. It is criminal and it should be treated as all other fraud is treated. In my view, criminal prosecution should be the default position for tax evasion and not civil penalties. So the default position needs to be changed. “It is very important to send a signal. This is about a culture and you only change a culture by using all the weapons at your disposal and a crown prosecution is a very powerful weapon. People go to prison for quite significant periods of time.”’
Meanwhile Rachel from accounts is probably chuffed to bits in the Rayner story breaking today with the feck up she’s making with the economy!
Where’s FOAR and Hector when you need them?
posted 6 days, 3 hours ago
They're on another thread trying to defend her because she's allegedly working class.
posted 6 days, 3 hours ago
https://www.facebook.com/reel/1095187608954210/?fs=e&s=TIeQ9V&fs=e&fs=e
Here he is again, can either Hec or FannyAnnie defend her after Starmer also said that?
posted 6 days, 2 hours ago
Well apparently some seem to think she's being attacked because she's a ginger class working woman.
Not the deputy PM of the the UK who should be erring on the side of extreme caution when it comes to her tax affairs.
posted 6 days, 2 hours ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
in fairness i think it is complicated by the fact that she is divorced, and the family home is in trust to her kids but that still does not get away from the fact that it is quite clearly a second home and quite clearly not her primary residence. IMO, it is more likely that an advisor would be telling her that she could make a saving by declaring it her primary home, as opposed to advising her that it actually is her primary residence.
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I don't think primary residence comes into it for stamp duty, it's simply a case of whether your name is on the deeds of another home, even if it's not in the UK and you don't live there, it sill counts as a second home (I find that ridiculous that you can own a home in another Country and it still counts personally)
I'm guessing when she sold her interest in the home to the trust her name wasn't removed from the deeds. The timing of it was suspect.
posted 6 days, 2 hours ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted about an hour ago
They're on another thread trying to defend her because she's allegedly working class.
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just had a look, the luvies ain’t taking this too well.
posted 5 days, 8 hours ago
Also upset that I come on here to get away from people talking about class, background, and hair colour, and getting personal about it, instead of actually discussing how she might have fallen foul of the tax system.
In fact having read what the rule was that she got caught out by I have more sympathy for her. It's about time this Government discussed HMRC's overly complicated rules of taxation.
Still think she's made an unrecoverable error though.
posted 5 days, 8 hours ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 3 minutes ago
Also upset that I come on here to get away from people talking about class, background, and hair colour, and getting personal about it, instead of actually discussing how she might have fallen foul of the tax system.
In fact having read what the rule was that she got caught out by I have more sympathy for her. It's about time this Government discussed HMRC's overly complicated rules of taxation.
Still think she's made an unrecoverable error though.
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HMRCs rules exist in part to allow wealthy people to pay less tax, gonna be a big fight to get them sorted.
posted 5 days, 8 hours ago
Agreed.
I think they also in part exist to keep tax experts in pocket. The fact she has to go to an expert to determine whether she owns a house or not for the purpose of stamp duty is ridiculous.
posted 5 days, 8 hours ago
Is she a Right Honourable by any chance ? just asking ,
posted 5 days, 8 hours ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 22 minutes ago
Also upset that I come on here to get away from people talking about class, background, and hair colour, and getting personal about it, instead of actually discussing how she might have fallen foul of the tax system.
In fact having read what the rule was that she got caught out by I have more sympathy for her. It's about time this Government discussed HMRC's overly complicated rules of taxation.
Still think she's made an unrecoverable error though.
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Yeah the optics are terrible for Labour, housing minister avoids some stamp duty buying a property because of bad advice
You couldn’t make it up
posted 5 days, 8 hours ago
comment by The Assassin😎 AKA Pranks☺️ (U22336)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 22 minutes ago
Also upset that I come on here to get away from people talking about class, background, and hair colour, and getting personal about it, instead of actually discussing how she might have fallen foul of the tax system.
In fact having read what the rule was that she got caught out by I have more sympathy for her. It's about time this Government discussed HMRC's overly complicated rules of taxation.
Still think she's made an unrecoverable error though.
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Yeah the optics are terrible for Labour, housing minister avoids some stamp duty buying a property because of bad advice
You couldn’t make it up
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not only that, she is described as the Labour "attack dog" on ethics and has been the one fronting the attack on Tory sleaze when in opposition....calling for heads left right and centre.
She may have to sell her second home if she gets demoted. No wonder she's hanging on with her false finger nails.
posted 5 days, 8 hours ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted about 18 hours ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
in fairness i think it is complicated by the fact that she is divorced, and the family home is in trust to her kids but that still does not get away from the fact that it is quite clearly a second home and quite clearly not her primary residence. IMO, it is more likely that an advisor would be telling her that she could make a saving by declaring it her primary home, as opposed to advising her that it actually is her primary residence.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think primary residence comes into it for stamp duty, it's simply a case of whether your name is on the deeds of another home, even if it's not in the UK and you don't live there, it sill counts as a second home (I find that ridiculous that you can own a home in another Country and it still counts personally)
I'm guessing when she sold her interest in the home to the trust her name wasn't removed from the deeds. The timing of it was suspect.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Her kids are minors so while its in trust to them, it aint theirs and will remain property of hers/her ex
posted 5 days, 7 hours ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted about 18 hours ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
in fairness i think it is complicated by the fact that she is divorced, and the family home is in trust to her kids but that still does not get away from the fact that it is quite clearly a second home and quite clearly not her primary residence. IMO, it is more likely that an advisor would be telling her that she could make a saving by declaring it her primary home, as opposed to advising her that it actually is her primary residence.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think primary residence comes into it for stamp duty, it's simply a case of whether your name is on the deeds of another home, even if it's not in the UK and you don't live there, it sill counts as a second home (I find that ridiculous that you can own a home in another Country and it still counts personally)
I'm guessing when she sold her interest in the home to the trust her name wasn't removed from the deeds. The timing of it was suspect.
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Her kids are minors so while its in trust to them, it aint theirs and will remain property of hers/her ex
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Yeah this was the error, but it’s really quite a basic error to make.
posted 5 days, 7 hours ago
I had a similar thing with my wife because her parents left her their home in advance of their death in a foreign Country. Rather than running the gauntlet with HMRC we just paid the extra stamp duty.
posted 4 days, 23 hours ago
https://x.com/LeilaniDowding/status/1963517386448892310
posted 4 days, 13 hours ago
Big article on the bbc this morning practically laying out the road towards success for reform based on brexit voters.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy853rj2kzo
Which makes me wonder, should I bother to do a the same thing I did with brexit, argue why people shouldn't vote reform, only for the political leaders I want to win to play into their hands, and people on social media to insult those on the fence into voting for them?
Or should I just accept that history is doomed to repeat itself and plan accordingly?
posted 4 days, 13 hours ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 15 minutes ago
Big article on the bbc this morning practically laying out the road towards success for reform based on brexit voters.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy853rj2kzo
Which makes me wonder, should I bother to do a the same thing I did with brexit, argue why people shouldn't vote reform, only for the political leaders I want to win to play into their hands, and people on social media to insult those on the fence into voting for them?
Or should I just accept that history is doomed to repeat itself and plan accordingly?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Long way to go yet, but I just personally just can’t stand Farage.
I voted remain and in the last election voted Labour because I wanted some change but it just hasn’t happened. The worst of it though for me is how they’ve attacked businesses and really affected growth.
Jobs are down, projected growth is down, unemployment up, inflation up, and cost of living is up.
Just a shiiiiit show.
posted 4 days, 13 hours ago
https://x.com/addicted2newz/status/1963508801769795840?s=46
posted 4 days, 12 hours ago
comment by Tony Le Mesmer (U1449)
posted 8 minutes ago
https://x.com/addicted2newz/status/1963508801769795840?s=46
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🤣
posted 4 days, 12 hours ago
comment by The Assassin😎 AKA Pranks☺️ (U22336)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Tony Le Mesmer (U1449)
posted 8 minutes ago
https://x.com/addicted2newz/status/1963508801769795840?s=46
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Give her a break the poor girl, she's only trying to make a living !
posted 4 days, 9 hours ago
She gone
posted 4 days, 8 hours ago
comment by The Assassin😎 AKA Pranks☺️ (U22336)
posted 45 seconds ago
She gone
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For Sale:
2 bedroom apartment, Hove. Barely used. Priced for a quick sale.
posted 4 days, 8 hours ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by The Assassin😎 AKA Pranks☺️ (U22336)
posted 45 seconds ago
She gone
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For Sale:
2 bedroom apartment, Hove. Barely used. Priced for a quick sale.
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🤣🤣…She had no chance of staying on!
To think our old lefty mate was giving his usual the other day about RW tabloids spreading lies again!
The only lies were from Rayner!
posted 4 days, 8 hours ago
So where are the two clowns who had soooo much to say about this wonderful (in their eyes) labour government, I mean fanniered and old Hector ? Come on lads give us your thoughts ! please.
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