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I imagine players don't openly admit to being gay due to the crowd reaction rather than how they would be perceived by fellow players. Seems a fairly logical thought process to not come out as gay when you have to step into an arena 45 times a season with 30-70k morons singing and chanting.
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On the flip side playing devils advocate, could there just be no gay players in the PL? I mean as wild as that sounds it is an actual possibility.
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I would imagine that is highly unlikely
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Based on what? I think there are maybe 2 or 3 of thousands of footballers that have ever played in England that came out as gay even after they retired and don't face the madding crowds.
Pretty much every footballer I can think of has a wife or girlfriend too.
Maybe it just is the case that this tiny tiny proportion of society has no gay players?
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Of all the lads that I went to school with that played football, I can't think of a single one that has come out as gay. And that is across a 3 year age group.
Most of the lads that were obviously gay or who came out as gay later in life tended to be more interested in drama and art clubs rather than sports. Obviously a small sample size, but I'd expect the trend is common across the board. At least for my generation. Perhaps that is changing/will change as people become more accepting.
I'm not saying that there aren't any gay footballers at all, but I expect that the percentage is a lot lower than that in the general population.
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Perhaps the culture of the footballing group at school meant they didn't feel comfortable joining in to play? That's the barrier I think they're trying to break down.
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Fair point. And kind of what I was getting at the end of my post. I think that my kids and their peers are a lot more accepting than my generation was. So hopefully gay lads feel more comfortable playing football and then there will be more playing in the PL in future years. But have we got that that point yet? It might take a few more years before the percentage of gay males playing football is close to the percentage in the general public.
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 26 minutes ago
Didn't realise this was such a passionate topic for a lot on here when I opened this thread!
Again playing devils advocate here, for those of you are strongly in support of wearing the armbands, tracksuits etc how do you feel about the below.
A brother and sister both adults both consenting both agreeing never to have child and they wish to marry as they are deeply in love with each other and want to live as a married couple?
Would you support their right to love just as you support the right to love of two gay men? And would you wear and want others to wear armbands etc to celebrate their love to make them feel included along with the rest of society?
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I think this post drastically misses the point of most on here.
I fully support anybody who wants to love anybody else, whatever they decide to call it. As long as it makes them happy then I’m all good for it.
But I don’t like to necessary support corporate shows of hollow virtue signalling. It’s like when Tom Daly went to Brighton Pride sponsored by Barclays. Wtf do corporations have to do with any of this, and the PL fits right in that bucket for me.
Just a quick thought that I had in the shower this morning whilst listening to Talksport, who were discussing this subject.
One of the FA's rules is that player's can't display religious or political messages. But if you practice a religion that preaches against homosexuality, then does the rainbow armband itself become a religious/anti-religious message? I suppose for those players it probably does. So should the FA's own rules mean it shouldn't be allowed?
I personally don't really have much skin in the fight. I just feel that it is such a minefield that it should all be banned so that we don't have to deal with this nonsense and we can focus on football. In an ideal world the players are able to make their own choice without it being a big deal. But I don't think that can happen and the media are always going to blow things stories out of proportion.
Put 'Show racism the red card' in the bin.
My reasoning, you don't need to know.
Questions?
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 59 minutes ago
Didn't realise this was such a passionate topic for a lot on here when I opened this thread!
Again playing devils advocate here, for those of you are strongly in support of wearing the armbands, tracksuits etc how do you feel about the below.
A brother and sister both adults both consenting both agreeing never to have child and they wish to marry as they are deeply in love with each other and want to live as a married couple?
Would you support their right to love just as you support the right to love of two gay men? And would you wear and want others to wear armbands etc to celebrate their love to make them feel included along with the rest of society?
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Weird way to tell everyone you want to nail your sister.
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comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 59 minutes ago
Didn't realise this was such a passionate topic for a lot on here when I opened this thread!
Again playing devils advocate here, for those of you are strongly in support of wearing the armbands, tracksuits etc how do you feel about the below.
A brother and sister both adults both consenting both agreeing never to have child and they wish to marry as they are deeply in love with each other and want to live as a married couple?
Would you support their right to love just as you support the right to love of two gay men? And would you wear and want others to wear armbands etc to celebrate their love to make them feel included along with the rest of society?
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Weird way to tell everyone you want to nail your sister.
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 35 seconds ago
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 59 minutes ago
Didn't realise this was such a passionate topic for a lot on here when I opened this thread!
Again playing devils advocate here, for those of you are strongly in support of wearing the armbands, tracksuits etc how do you feel about the below.
A brother and sister both adults both consenting both agreeing never to have child and they wish to marry as they are deeply in love with each other and want to live as a married couple?
Would you support their right to love just as you support the right to love of two gay men? And would you wear and want others to wear armbands etc to celebrate their love to make them feel included along with the rest of society?
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Weird way to tell everyone you want to nail your sister.
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Love is blind
Sounds like this whole thing is to make an active player come out.
So what would happen if a player did come out?
I'm imagining a media circus with a lot of unwanted attention for the guy.
Not exactly appealing, is it?
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 59 minutes ago
Didn't realise this was such a passionate topic for a lot on here when I opened this thread!
Again playing devils advocate here, for those of you are strongly in support of wearing the armbands, tracksuits etc how do you feel about the below.
A brother and sister both adults both consenting both agreeing never to have child and they wish to marry as they are deeply in love with each other and want to live as a married couple?
Would you support their right to love just as you support the right to love of two gay men? And would you wear and want others to wear armbands etc to celebrate their love to make them feel included along with the rest of society?
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Weird way to tell everyone you want to nail your sister.
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Love is blind
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Their kid probably will be.
comment by Ruben's Revamped Reds (U22280)
posted 2 minutes ago
Sounds like this whole thing is to make an active player come out.
So what would happen if a player did come out?
I'm imagining a media circus with a lot of unwanted attention for the guy.
Not exactly appealing, is it?
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No it isn't. I don't really get the whole noise around it to be honest. Who actually gives a flying feck about the sexuality of a footballer? Just let them do their job. It's no-one else's business.
Every season the Sun reports a 'gang o' gaaays' are going to come out together 😂
If a PL player at a lower club did come out they would make a fortune, more than they do playing football. They would get all the protection and support too.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Ruben's Revamped Reds (U22280)
posted 2 minutes ago
Sounds like this whole thing is to make an active player come out.
So what would happen if a player did come out?
I'm imagining a media circus with a lot of unwanted attention for the guy.
Not exactly appealing, is it?
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No it isn't. I don't really get the whole noise around it to be honest. Who actually gives a flying feck about the sexuality of a footballer? Just let them do their job. It's no-one else's business.
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It's the world we currently live in. Given the abuse that is given to players / officials etc at matches for 'run-of-the mill-stuff', it would be crazy for someone who came out.
It's a sad reflection of the culture at football matches
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comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 59 minutes ago
Didn't realise this was such a passionate topic for a lot on here when I opened this thread!
Again playing devils advocate here, for those of you are strongly in support of wearing the armbands, tracksuits etc how do you feel about the below.
A brother and sister both adults both consenting both agreeing never to have child and they wish to marry as they are deeply in love with each other and want to live as a married couple?
Would you support their right to love just as you support the right to love of two gay men? And would you wear and want others to wear armbands etc to celebrate their love to make them feel included along with the rest of society?
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Weird way to tell everyone you want to nail your sister.
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Love is blind
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Their kid probably will be.
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Arnefield RAP (U22951)
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comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 59 minutes ago
Didn't realise this was such a passionate topic for a lot on here when I opened this thread!
Again playing devils advocate here, for those of you are strongly in support of wearing the armbands, tracksuits etc how do you feel about the below.
A brother and sister both adults both consenting both agreeing never to have child and they wish to marry as they are deeply in love with each other and want to live as a married couple?
Would you support their right to love just as you support the right to love of two gay men? And would you wear and want others to wear armbands etc to celebrate their love to make them feel included along with the rest of society?
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Weird way to tell everyone you want to nail your sister.
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Love is blind
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Their kid probably will be.
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comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 2 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 JA606 Class Act (U2462)
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There's always a big fuss when James McClean doesn't wear a Poppy but, with him, he also gives a full and proper reason why he doesn't. He doesn't want to be seen honouring the people that killed some of his community. When you look at it following his explanation then it's hard to argue.
The refusal to wear the rainbow armband hiding behind 'religious reasons' is pretty poor IMO. If you do have the courage of your convictions with your religion come out and say the exact reason why you're pinning it on the religion.
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Would you like a 1 minute summary or the full 2000 word essay?
C'mon mate - someone stops you in the high street with a clipboard - 'can I ask you a few questions?' - no, sorry - 'you're sorry? not good enough I need to know your reasons for not answering my questions...aye, right!
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If someone stopped me in the street for this I'd go "Don't have time" or "I don't want to do it". I wouldn't claim to not to want to do it because of religious reasons.
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comment by Silver (U6112)
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comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 10 minutes ago
There's always a big fuss when James McClean doesn't wear a Poppy but, with him, he also gives a full and proper reason why he doesn't. He doesn't want to be seen honouring the people that killed some of his community. When you look at it following his explanation then it's hard to argue.
The refusal to wear the rainbow armband hiding behind 'religious reasons' is pretty poor IMO. If you do have the courage of your convictions with your religion come out and say the exact reason why you're pinning it on the religion.
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Would you like a 1 minute summary or the full 2000 word essay?
C'mon mate - someone stops you in the high street with a clipboard - 'can I ask you a few questions?' - no, sorry - 'you're sorry? not good enough I need to know your reasons for not answering my questions...aye, right!
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If someone stopped me in the street for this I'd go "Don't have time" or "I don't want to do it". I wouldn't claim to not to want to do it because of religious reasons.
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Maybe that's what the player should have said then and we'd just leave it at that.
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comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 59 minutes ago
Didn't realise this was such a passionate topic for a lot on here when I opened this thread!
Again playing devils advocate here, for those of you are strongly in support of wearing the armbands, tracksuits etc how do you feel about the below.
A brother and sister both adults both consenting both agreeing never to have child and they wish to marry as they are deeply in love with each other and want to live as a married couple?
Would you support their right to love just as you support the right to love of two gay men? And would you wear and want others to wear armbands etc to celebrate their love to make them feel included along with the rest of society?
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Weird way to tell everyone you want to nail your sister.
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Love is blind
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Their kid probably will be.
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I suspect where Uma was going with that was whilst individuals might be repulsed by it and not in their culture consenting adult hetrosexual inceѕt is perfectly legal in Argentina, Benelux, Brazil, China, India, Israel, Japan, Mexico, Philippines, Portugal, Russia, S. Korea, Spain, Thailand, Turkey, Ukraine, two US states and many more places besides - in fact the majority of the world's population can legally pump their own family.
Now I can't imagine a football club necessarily asking you to support it but say a team mate was at it and asked for your support should you give it? If you decline should the public demand you explain why? Should you expect them to agree with you? Should you expect to have to debate it?
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posted 20 minutes ago
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Arnefield RAP (U22951)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 59 minutes ago
Didn't realise this was such a passionate topic for a lot on here when I opened this thread!
Again playing devils advocate here, for those of you are strongly in support of wearing the armbands, tracksuits etc how do you feel about the below.
A brother and sister both adults both consenting both agreeing never to have child and they wish to marry as they are deeply in love with each other and want to live as a married couple?
Would you support their right to love just as you support the right to love of two gay men? And would you wear and want others to wear armbands etc to celebrate their love to make them feel included along with the rest of society?
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Weird way to tell everyone you want to nail your sister.
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Love is blind
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Their kid probably will be.
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I suspect where Uma was going with that was whilst individuals might be repulsed by it and not in their culture consenting adult hetrosexual inceѕt is perfectly legal in Argentina, Benelux, Brazil, China, India, Israel, Japan, Mexico, Philippines, Portugal, Russia, S. Korea, Spain, Thailand, Turkey, Ukraine, two US states and many more places besides - in fact the majority of the world's population can legally pump their own family.
Now I can't imagine a football club necessarily asking you to support it but say a team mate was at it and asked for your support should you give it? If you decline should the public demand you explain why? Should you expect them to agree with you? Should you expect to have to debate it?
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Exactly this and my post showed the stupidity of most of the people who replied, rather than actually debate why way or the other they replied with total rubbish. The point I was trying to make is most of the people are ok with whatever the majority of society they live in are OK with at the time they happen to be alive. If that is the case and they REALLY believe "love is love" they would be just as proud and accepting of inceeest relationships as they are of others such as gay relationships.
The fact they are not shows the hypocrisy of this whole debate and shows most people are just virtue signalling and couldn't give a monkeys about the actual cause. Which makes the outrage more hilarious! We have a bunch of people who don't even actually believe in the cause outraged at players for actually saying what they feel in private out publicly.
Like others have said here the main issue here is what causes we support and which ones we don't? Where do we draw the line?
My opinion is if you want to wear an armband great for you if you want to wear a poppy fantastic! If you don't I respect your choice not to even if I don't like it I will shut up and get on with my life.
The fact they are not shows the hypocrisy of this whole debate and shows most people are just virtue signalling and couldn't give a monkeys about the actual cause. Which makes the outrage more hilarious! We have a bunch of people who don't even actually believe in the cause outraged at players for actually saying what they feel in private out publicly.
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Yep, the internet and social media is full of these types, 'oh look at me, I'm so progressive, what an amazing person I am', give me a break, its all for validation. I bet most footballers couldn't give a monkeys either but they're forced to take part, otherwise the left wing media will hound them, just like they've done with the footballers that have refused to wear the armband or anything related to the campaign.
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 59 minutes ago
Didn't realise this was such a passionate topic for a lot on here when I opened this thread!
Again playing devils advocate here, for those of you are strongly in support of wearing the armbands, tracksuits etc how do you feel about the below.
A brother and sister both adults both consenting both agreeing never to have child and they wish to marry as they are deeply in love with each other and want to live as a married couple?
Would you support their right to love just as you support the right to love of two gay men? And would you wear and want others to wear armbands etc to celebrate their love to make them feel included along with the rest of society?
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Weird way to tell everyone you want to nail your sister.
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Love is blind
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Their kid probably will be.
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Why does this need to be called out at all? People from this community aren’t marginalised in football.
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Name me one openly gay player currently playing in the premier league.
As for the OP, I don’t think players should be forced. But players should be expected to explain their opposition to inclusivity.
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Yup.
"Religious reasons" doesn't cut it.
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Why don’t religious reasons cut it? It’s a person’s personal belief. A human right. Those who are not religious also have a personal belief. Atheism is still a belief system like it or not. Should Atheism not cut it either?
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It’s not a human right to be bigoted because your religion tells you to.
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It is against the law to discriminate against you because of your religion or belief. It is a human right to follow your own religion and adhere to what it says is right and wrong. It is your human right to criticise that. You could be considered bigoted againat Religion and someone could say it's not a human right for left wingers or the LGBTQX to be bigoted for you holding religious beliefs.
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This is just word salad.
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I'll dumb it down.
Religious reasons does cut it.
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It was already dumb.
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Apparently not as you didn't understand it. I don't think I can dumb it down further for you.
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comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 59 minutes ago
Didn't realise this was such a passionate topic for a lot on here when I opened this thread!
Again playing devils advocate here, for those of you are strongly in support of wearing the armbands, tracksuits etc how do you feel about the below.
A brother and sister both adults both consenting both agreeing never to have child and they wish to marry as they are deeply in love with each other and want to live as a married couple?
Would you support their right to love just as you support the right to love of two gay men? And would you wear and want others to wear armbands etc to celebrate their love to make them feel included along with the rest of society?
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Weird way to tell everyone you want to nail your sister.
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Love is blind
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Their kid probably will be.
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I suspect where Uma was going with that was whilst individuals might be repulsed by it and not in their culture consenting adult hetrosexual inceѕt is perfectly legal in Argentina, Benelux, Brazil, China, India, Israel, Japan, Mexico, Philippines, Portugal, Russia, S. Korea, Spain, Thailand, Turkey, Ukraine, two US states and many more places besides - in fact the majority of the world's population can legally pump their own family.
Now I can't imagine a football club necessarily asking you to support it but say a team mate was at it and asked for your support should you give it? If you decline should the public demand you explain why? Should you expect them to agree with you? Should you expect to have to debate it?
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Exactly this and my post showed the stupidity of most of the people who replied, rather than actually debate why way or the other they replied with total rubbish. The point I was trying to make is most of the people are ok with whatever the majority of society they live in are OK with at the time they happen to be alive. If that is the case and they REALLY believe "love is love" they would be just as proud and accepting of inceeest relationships as they are of others such as gay relationships.
The fact they are not shows the hypocrisy of this whole debate and shows most people are just virtue signalling and couldn't give a monkeys about the actual cause. Which makes the outrage more hilarious! We have a bunch of people who don't even actually believe in the cause outraged at players for actually saying what they feel in private out publicly.
Like others have said here the main issue here is what causes we support and which ones we don't? Where do we draw the line?
My opinion is if you want to wear an armband great for you if you want to wear a poppy fantastic! If you don't I respect your choice not to even if I don't like it I will shut up and get on with my life.
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Excellent point.
That's not my argument. Fella can do whatever he wants.
My point is that if you're citing religious reasons give the the specific part of your religion that says rainbow tat is forbidden. It's hocus-pocus nonsense.
I'd have more respect for him if he just came out (no pun intended) and said, I don't believe in Homosexuality and I'm not promoting it rather than hiding behind religious bollox. He'd get pelters but hey early day religious used to get burned at the stake for their open, honest, heartfelt beliefs.
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posted 3 minutes ago
That's not my argument. Fella can do whatever he wants.
My point is that if you're citing religious reasons give the the specific part of your religion that says rainbow tat is forbidden. It's hocus-pocus nonsense.
I'd have more respect for him if he just came out (no pun intended) and said, I don't believe in Homosexuality and I'm not promoting it rather than hiding behind religious bollox. He'd get pelters but hey early day religious used to get burned at the stake for their open, honest, heartfelt beliefs.
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Like I've stated earlier James McClean doesn't wear the Poppy and he has clear reasoning behind it too. He's open about it and it's hard to argue against his viewpoint really.
The armband this week is some way different IMO.
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
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comment by Maximus Decimus Meridius (U11781)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 43 seconds ago
Didn't realise this was such a passionate topic for a lot on here when I opened this thread!
Again playing devils advocate here, for those of you are strongly in support of wearing the armbands, tracksuits etc how do you feel about the below.
A brother and sister both adults both consenting both agreeing never to have child and they wish to marry as they are deeply in love with each other and want to live as a married couple?
Would you support their right to love just as you support the right to love of two gay men? And would you wear and want others to wear armbands etc to celebrate their love to make them feel included along with the rest of society?
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You’re comparing homosexuality to iincest and want someone to honour that post with a serious answer?
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Yes, if you want to argue otherwise please do. Can you tell me why one love is ok and the other isn't? Both are found in nature with one being way more common than the other.
Unless you want to tell me otherwise? If you truly believe people should be allowed to love whoever they want then can you explain why you'd see issue with one and not the other?
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Murder and rape are also commonly found in nature, can use that as an example as well?
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posted on 5/12/24
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 18 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Fred Slot (U3979)
posted 3 minutes ago
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comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
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comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
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I imagine players don't openly admit to being gay due to the crowd reaction rather than how they would be perceived by fellow players. Seems a fairly logical thought process to not come out as gay when you have to step into an arena 45 times a season with 30-70k morons singing and chanting.
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On the flip side playing devils advocate, could there just be no gay players in the PL? I mean as wild as that sounds it is an actual possibility.
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I would imagine that is highly unlikely
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Based on what? I think there are maybe 2 or 3 of thousands of footballers that have ever played in England that came out as gay even after they retired and don't face the madding crowds.
Pretty much every footballer I can think of has a wife or girlfriend too.
Maybe it just is the case that this tiny tiny proportion of society has no gay players?
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Of all the lads that I went to school with that played football, I can't think of a single one that has come out as gay. And that is across a 3 year age group.
Most of the lads that were obviously gay or who came out as gay later in life tended to be more interested in drama and art clubs rather than sports. Obviously a small sample size, but I'd expect the trend is common across the board. At least for my generation. Perhaps that is changing/will change as people become more accepting.
I'm not saying that there aren't any gay footballers at all, but I expect that the percentage is a lot lower than that in the general population.
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Perhaps the culture of the footballing group at school meant they didn't feel comfortable joining in to play? That's the barrier I think they're trying to break down.
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Fair point. And kind of what I was getting at the end of my post. I think that my kids and their peers are a lot more accepting than my generation was. So hopefully gay lads feel more comfortable playing football and then there will be more playing in the PL in future years. But have we got that that point yet? It might take a few more years before the percentage of gay males playing football is close to the percentage in the general public.
posted on 5/12/24
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 26 minutes ago
Didn't realise this was such a passionate topic for a lot on here when I opened this thread!
Again playing devils advocate here, for those of you are strongly in support of wearing the armbands, tracksuits etc how do you feel about the below.
A brother and sister both adults both consenting both agreeing never to have child and they wish to marry as they are deeply in love with each other and want to live as a married couple?
Would you support their right to love just as you support the right to love of two gay men? And would you wear and want others to wear armbands etc to celebrate their love to make them feel included along with the rest of society?
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I think this post drastically misses the point of most on here.
I fully support anybody who wants to love anybody else, whatever they decide to call it. As long as it makes them happy then I’m all good for it.
But I don’t like to necessary support corporate shows of hollow virtue signalling. It’s like when Tom Daly went to Brighton Pride sponsored by Barclays. Wtf do corporations have to do with any of this, and the PL fits right in that bucket for me.
posted on 5/12/24
Just a quick thought that I had in the shower this morning whilst listening to Talksport, who were discussing this subject.
One of the FA's rules is that player's can't display religious or political messages. But if you practice a religion that preaches against homosexuality, then does the rainbow armband itself become a religious/anti-religious message? I suppose for those players it probably does. So should the FA's own rules mean it shouldn't be allowed?
I personally don't really have much skin in the fight. I just feel that it is such a minefield that it should all be banned so that we don't have to deal with this nonsense and we can focus on football. In an ideal world the players are able to make their own choice without it being a big deal. But I don't think that can happen and the media are always going to blow things stories out of proportion.
posted on 5/12/24
Put 'Show racism the red card' in the bin.
My reasoning, you don't need to know.
Questions?
posted on 5/12/24
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 59 minutes ago
Didn't realise this was such a passionate topic for a lot on here when I opened this thread!
Again playing devils advocate here, for those of you are strongly in support of wearing the armbands, tracksuits etc how do you feel about the below.
A brother and sister both adults both consenting both agreeing never to have child and they wish to marry as they are deeply in love with each other and want to live as a married couple?
Would you support their right to love just as you support the right to love of two gay men? And would you wear and want others to wear armbands etc to celebrate their love to make them feel included along with the rest of society?
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Weird way to tell everyone you want to nail your sister.
posted on 5/12/24
comment by Arnefield RAP (U22951)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 59 minutes ago
Didn't realise this was such a passionate topic for a lot on here when I opened this thread!
Again playing devils advocate here, for those of you are strongly in support of wearing the armbands, tracksuits etc how do you feel about the below.
A brother and sister both adults both consenting both agreeing never to have child and they wish to marry as they are deeply in love with each other and want to live as a married couple?
Would you support their right to love just as you support the right to love of two gay men? And would you wear and want others to wear armbands etc to celebrate their love to make them feel included along with the rest of society?
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Weird way to tell everyone you want to nail your sister.
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posted on 5/12/24
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Arnefield RAP (U22951)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 59 minutes ago
Didn't realise this was such a passionate topic for a lot on here when I opened this thread!
Again playing devils advocate here, for those of you are strongly in support of wearing the armbands, tracksuits etc how do you feel about the below.
A brother and sister both adults both consenting both agreeing never to have child and they wish to marry as they are deeply in love with each other and want to live as a married couple?
Would you support their right to love just as you support the right to love of two gay men? And would you wear and want others to wear armbands etc to celebrate their love to make them feel included along with the rest of society?
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Weird way to tell everyone you want to nail your sister.
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Love is blind
posted on 5/12/24
Sounds like this whole thing is to make an active player come out.
So what would happen if a player did come out?
I'm imagining a media circus with a lot of unwanted attention for the guy.
Not exactly appealing, is it?
posted on 5/12/24
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Arnefield RAP (U22951)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 59 minutes ago
Didn't realise this was such a passionate topic for a lot on here when I opened this thread!
Again playing devils advocate here, for those of you are strongly in support of wearing the armbands, tracksuits etc how do you feel about the below.
A brother and sister both adults both consenting both agreeing never to have child and they wish to marry as they are deeply in love with each other and want to live as a married couple?
Would you support their right to love just as you support the right to love of two gay men? And would you wear and want others to wear armbands etc to celebrate their love to make them feel included along with the rest of society?
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Weird way to tell everyone you want to nail your sister.
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Love is blind
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Their kid probably will be.
posted on 5/12/24
comment by Ruben's Revamped Reds (U22280)
posted 2 minutes ago
Sounds like this whole thing is to make an active player come out.
So what would happen if a player did come out?
I'm imagining a media circus with a lot of unwanted attention for the guy.
Not exactly appealing, is it?
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No it isn't. I don't really get the whole noise around it to be honest. Who actually gives a flying feck about the sexuality of a footballer? Just let them do their job. It's no-one else's business.
posted on 5/12/24
Every season the Sun reports a 'gang o' gaaays' are going to come out together 😂
If a PL player at a lower club did come out they would make a fortune, more than they do playing football. They would get all the protection and support too.
posted on 5/12/24
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Ruben's Revamped Reds (U22280)
posted 2 minutes ago
Sounds like this whole thing is to make an active player come out.
So what would happen if a player did come out?
I'm imagining a media circus with a lot of unwanted attention for the guy.
Not exactly appealing, is it?
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No it isn't. I don't really get the whole noise around it to be honest. Who actually gives a flying feck about the sexuality of a footballer? Just let them do their job. It's no-one else's business.
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It's the world we currently live in. Given the abuse that is given to players / officials etc at matches for 'run-of-the mill-stuff', it would be crazy for someone who came out.
It's a sad reflection of the culture at football matches
posted on 5/12/24
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Arnefield RAP (U22951)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 59 minutes ago
Didn't realise this was such a passionate topic for a lot on here when I opened this thread!
Again playing devils advocate here, for those of you are strongly in support of wearing the armbands, tracksuits etc how do you feel about the below.
A brother and sister both adults both consenting both agreeing never to have child and they wish to marry as they are deeply in love with each other and want to live as a married couple?
Would you support their right to love just as you support the right to love of two gay men? And would you wear and want others to wear armbands etc to celebrate their love to make them feel included along with the rest of society?
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Weird way to tell everyone you want to nail your sister.
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Love is blind
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Their kid probably will be.
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posted on 5/12/24
comment by Arnefield RAP (U22951)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Arnefield RAP (U22951)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 59 minutes ago
Didn't realise this was such a passionate topic for a lot on here when I opened this thread!
Again playing devils advocate here, for those of you are strongly in support of wearing the armbands, tracksuits etc how do you feel about the below.
A brother and sister both adults both consenting both agreeing never to have child and they wish to marry as they are deeply in love with each other and want to live as a married couple?
Would you support their right to love just as you support the right to love of two gay men? And would you wear and want others to wear armbands etc to celebrate their love to make them feel included along with the rest of society?
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Weird way to tell everyone you want to nail your sister.
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Love is blind
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Their kid probably will be.
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posted on 5/12/24
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 2 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 10 minutes ago
There's always a big fuss when James McClean doesn't wear a Poppy but, with him, he also gives a full and proper reason why he doesn't. He doesn't want to be seen honouring the people that killed some of his community. When you look at it following his explanation then it's hard to argue.
The refusal to wear the rainbow armband hiding behind 'religious reasons' is pretty poor IMO. If you do have the courage of your convictions with your religion come out and say the exact reason why you're pinning it on the religion.
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Would you like a 1 minute summary or the full 2000 word essay?
C'mon mate - someone stops you in the high street with a clipboard - 'can I ask you a few questions?' - no, sorry - 'you're sorry? not good enough I need to know your reasons for not answering my questions...aye, right!
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If someone stopped me in the street for this I'd go "Don't have time" or "I don't want to do it". I wouldn't claim to not to want to do it because of religious reasons.
posted on 5/12/24
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 2 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 10 minutes ago
There's always a big fuss when James McClean doesn't wear a Poppy but, with him, he also gives a full and proper reason why he doesn't. He doesn't want to be seen honouring the people that killed some of his community. When you look at it following his explanation then it's hard to argue.
The refusal to wear the rainbow armband hiding behind 'religious reasons' is pretty poor IMO. If you do have the courage of your convictions with your religion come out and say the exact reason why you're pinning it on the religion.
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Would you like a 1 minute summary or the full 2000 word essay?
C'mon mate - someone stops you in the high street with a clipboard - 'can I ask you a few questions?' - no, sorry - 'you're sorry? not good enough I need to know your reasons for not answering my questions...aye, right!
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If someone stopped me in the street for this I'd go "Don't have time" or "I don't want to do it". I wouldn't claim to not to want to do it because of religious reasons.
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Maybe that's what the player should have said then and we'd just leave it at that.
posted on 5/12/24
comment by Arnefield RAP (U22951)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Arnefield RAP (U22951)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 59 minutes ago
Didn't realise this was such a passionate topic for a lot on here when I opened this thread!
Again playing devils advocate here, for those of you are strongly in support of wearing the armbands, tracksuits etc how do you feel about the below.
A brother and sister both adults both consenting both agreeing never to have child and they wish to marry as they are deeply in love with each other and want to live as a married couple?
Would you support their right to love just as you support the right to love of two gay men? And would you wear and want others to wear armbands etc to celebrate their love to make them feel included along with the rest of society?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Weird way to tell everyone you want to nail your sister.
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Love is blind
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Their kid probably will be.
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I suspect where Uma was going with that was whilst individuals might be repulsed by it and not in their culture consenting adult hetrosexual inceѕt is perfectly legal in Argentina, Benelux, Brazil, China, India, Israel, Japan, Mexico, Philippines, Portugal, Russia, S. Korea, Spain, Thailand, Turkey, Ukraine, two US states and many more places besides - in fact the majority of the world's population can legally pump their own family.
Now I can't imagine a football club necessarily asking you to support it but say a team mate was at it and asked for your support should you give it? If you decline should the public demand you explain why? Should you expect them to agree with you? Should you expect to have to debate it?
posted on 5/12/24
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Arnefield RAP (U22951)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Arnefield RAP (U22951)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 59 minutes ago
Didn't realise this was such a passionate topic for a lot on here when I opened this thread!
Again playing devils advocate here, for those of you are strongly in support of wearing the armbands, tracksuits etc how do you feel about the below.
A brother and sister both adults both consenting both agreeing never to have child and they wish to marry as they are deeply in love with each other and want to live as a married couple?
Would you support their right to love just as you support the right to love of two gay men? And would you wear and want others to wear armbands etc to celebrate their love to make them feel included along with the rest of society?
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Weird way to tell everyone you want to nail your sister.
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Love is blind
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Their kid probably will be.
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I suspect where Uma was going with that was whilst individuals might be repulsed by it and not in their culture consenting adult hetrosexual inceѕt is perfectly legal in Argentina, Benelux, Brazil, China, India, Israel, Japan, Mexico, Philippines, Portugal, Russia, S. Korea, Spain, Thailand, Turkey, Ukraine, two US states and many more places besides - in fact the majority of the world's population can legally pump their own family.
Now I can't imagine a football club necessarily asking you to support it but say a team mate was at it and asked for your support should you give it? If you decline should the public demand you explain why? Should you expect them to agree with you? Should you expect to have to debate it?
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Exactly this and my post showed the stupidity of most of the people who replied, rather than actually debate why way or the other they replied with total rubbish. The point I was trying to make is most of the people are ok with whatever the majority of society they live in are OK with at the time they happen to be alive. If that is the case and they REALLY believe "love is love" they would be just as proud and accepting of inceeest relationships as they are of others such as gay relationships.
The fact they are not shows the hypocrisy of this whole debate and shows most people are just virtue signalling and couldn't give a monkeys about the actual cause. Which makes the outrage more hilarious! We have a bunch of people who don't even actually believe in the cause outraged at players for actually saying what they feel in private out publicly.
Like others have said here the main issue here is what causes we support and which ones we don't? Where do we draw the line?
My opinion is if you want to wear an armband great for you if you want to wear a poppy fantastic! If you don't I respect your choice not to even if I don't like it I will shut up and get on with my life.
posted on 5/12/24
The fact they are not shows the hypocrisy of this whole debate and shows most people are just virtue signalling and couldn't give a monkeys about the actual cause. Which makes the outrage more hilarious! We have a bunch of people who don't even actually believe in the cause outraged at players for actually saying what they feel in private out publicly.
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Yep, the internet and social media is full of these types, 'oh look at me, I'm so progressive, what an amazing person I am', give me a break, its all for validation. I bet most footballers couldn't give a monkeys either but they're forced to take part, otherwise the left wing media will hound them, just like they've done with the footballers that have refused to wear the armband or anything related to the campaign.
posted on 5/12/24
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Arnefield RAP (U22951)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 59 minutes ago
Didn't realise this was such a passionate topic for a lot on here when I opened this thread!
Again playing devils advocate here, for those of you are strongly in support of wearing the armbands, tracksuits etc how do you feel about the below.
A brother and sister both adults both consenting both agreeing never to have child and they wish to marry as they are deeply in love with each other and want to live as a married couple?
Would you support their right to love just as you support the right to love of two gay men? And would you wear and want others to wear armbands etc to celebrate their love to make them feel included along with the rest of society?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Weird way to tell everyone you want to nail your sister.
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Love is blind
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Their kid probably will be.
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posted on 5/12/24
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 4 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 3 hours, 18 minutes ago
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 5 hours, 26 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 6 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by 1 Father- 1 Love - 2 Reds (U13312)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 3 hours, 2 minutes ago
Why does this need to be called out at all? People from this community aren’t marginalised in football.
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Name me one openly gay player currently playing in the premier league.
As for the OP, I don’t think players should be forced. But players should be expected to explain their opposition to inclusivity.
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Yup.
"Religious reasons" doesn't cut it.
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Why don’t religious reasons cut it? It’s a person’s personal belief. A human right. Those who are not religious also have a personal belief. Atheism is still a belief system like it or not. Should Atheism not cut it either?
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It’s not a human right to be bigoted because your religion tells you to.
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It is against the law to discriminate against you because of your religion or belief. It is a human right to follow your own religion and adhere to what it says is right and wrong. It is your human right to criticise that. You could be considered bigoted againat Religion and someone could say it's not a human right for left wingers or the LGBTQX to be bigoted for you holding religious beliefs.
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This is just word salad.
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I'll dumb it down.
Religious reasons does cut it.
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It was already dumb.
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Apparently not as you didn't understand it. I don't think I can dumb it down further for you.
posted on 5/12/24
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Arnefield RAP (U22951)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Arnefield RAP (U22951)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 59 minutes ago
Didn't realise this was such a passionate topic for a lot on here when I opened this thread!
Again playing devils advocate here, for those of you are strongly in support of wearing the armbands, tracksuits etc how do you feel about the below.
A brother and sister both adults both consenting both agreeing never to have child and they wish to marry as they are deeply in love with each other and want to live as a married couple?
Would you support their right to love just as you support the right to love of two gay men? And would you wear and want others to wear armbands etc to celebrate their love to make them feel included along with the rest of society?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Weird way to tell everyone you want to nail your sister.
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----------------------------------------------------------------------
Love is blind
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Their kid probably will be.
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I suspect where Uma was going with that was whilst individuals might be repulsed by it and not in their culture consenting adult hetrosexual inceѕt is perfectly legal in Argentina, Benelux, Brazil, China, India, Israel, Japan, Mexico, Philippines, Portugal, Russia, S. Korea, Spain, Thailand, Turkey, Ukraine, two US states and many more places besides - in fact the majority of the world's population can legally pump their own family.
Now I can't imagine a football club necessarily asking you to support it but say a team mate was at it and asked for your support should you give it? If you decline should the public demand you explain why? Should you expect them to agree with you? Should you expect to have to debate it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly this and my post showed the stupidity of most of the people who replied, rather than actually debate why way or the other they replied with total rubbish. The point I was trying to make is most of the people are ok with whatever the majority of society they live in are OK with at the time they happen to be alive. If that is the case and they REALLY believe "love is love" they would be just as proud and accepting of inceeest relationships as they are of others such as gay relationships.
The fact they are not shows the hypocrisy of this whole debate and shows most people are just virtue signalling and couldn't give a monkeys about the actual cause. Which makes the outrage more hilarious! We have a bunch of people who don't even actually believe in the cause outraged at players for actually saying what they feel in private out publicly.
Like others have said here the main issue here is what causes we support and which ones we don't? Where do we draw the line?
My opinion is if you want to wear an armband great for you if you want to wear a poppy fantastic! If you don't I respect your choice not to even if I don't like it I will shut up and get on with my life.
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Excellent point.
posted on 5/12/24
That's not my argument. Fella can do whatever he wants.
My point is that if you're citing religious reasons give the the specific part of your religion that says rainbow tat is forbidden. It's hocus-pocus nonsense.
I'd have more respect for him if he just came out (no pun intended) and said, I don't believe in Homosexuality and I'm not promoting it rather than hiding behind religious bollox. He'd get pelters but hey early day religious used to get burned at the stake for their open, honest, heartfelt beliefs.
posted on 5/12/24
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 3 minutes ago
That's not my argument. Fella can do whatever he wants.
My point is that if you're citing religious reasons give the the specific part of your religion that says rainbow tat is forbidden. It's hocus-pocus nonsense.
I'd have more respect for him if he just came out (no pun intended) and said, I don't believe in Homosexuality and I'm not promoting it rather than hiding behind religious bollox. He'd get pelters but hey early day religious used to get burned at the stake for their open, honest, heartfelt beliefs.
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Like I've stated earlier James McClean doesn't wear the Poppy and he has clear reasoning behind it too. He's open about it and it's hard to argue against his viewpoint really.
The armband this week is some way different IMO.
posted on 5/12/24
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 4 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Maximus Decimus Meridius (U11781)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 43 seconds ago
Didn't realise this was such a passionate topic for a lot on here when I opened this thread!
Again playing devils advocate here, for those of you are strongly in support of wearing the armbands, tracksuits etc how do you feel about the below.
A brother and sister both adults both consenting both agreeing never to have child and they wish to marry as they are deeply in love with each other and want to live as a married couple?
Would you support their right to love just as you support the right to love of two gay men? And would you wear and want others to wear armbands etc to celebrate their love to make them feel included along with the rest of society?
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You’re comparing homosexuality to iincest and want someone to honour that post with a serious answer?
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Yes, if you want to argue otherwise please do. Can you tell me why one love is ok and the other isn't? Both are found in nature with one being way more common than the other.
Unless you want to tell me otherwise? If you truly believe people should be allowed to love whoever they want then can you explain why you'd see issue with one and not the other?
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Murder and rape are also commonly found in nature, can use that as an example as well?
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