comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're not as big a club as you think you are and it shows,
You've (the spurs fans) have chased multiple winners because you're impatient, the instant gratification generation encapsulated in a fan base.
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Oh do feck off
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Truth hurts eh
You, the fans, and I say this as someone that has a big soft spot for Tottenham for many years, youre so impatient for success you chase the managers who dont instantly deliver. That's fine if you're Chelsea who don't baulk at sacking managers but then back the new guy, Spurs won't do that, they need a long term plan with consistent leadership but the fans won't allow it a d Levy won't follow the Chelsea model.
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Spurs fans don't like to hear this but i think you are more or less correct.
The problem we have is that those impatient fans don't believe we will ever deliver under current ownership.
So really they are in a constant cycle of having little hope. You can only have your hopes crushed so many times!
My view is that clubs go through pretty clear cycles. All i expect and hope for is we take the next step. Under Poch we got so far, very close to the very top, but couldn't take the next step. For Ange he picked up a club in a mess, with an aging, average to poor squad. Some think the next step from that is success, it isnt IMO, there is a lot of work to be done before we can expect success. The question right now is can Ange take the nest step and that is far from certain. We have seen glimpses of how good it could be but not enough but right now, given the depleted squad, its not possible or right to judge whether he can deliver. We'll know more as the season progresses. But any manger that comes in will take on a very decent squad, that is incomplete and full of injuries and it wouldnt be right to judge them until much further down the line.
We will have to end the season well to restore faith that this can work
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This is wrong Dev. The perception we’re inpatient puts the onus on us when, in actual fact, we’re all more than prepared to play the waiting game. The truth is that most fans are disillusioned with the intentions of the board. After 20 years, we no longer believe that they want the success us fans do. We came close under Poch and whether it was a failure at board level or coaching staff, we refused to build when it mattered. So I think if you get close and don’t go the extra mile, most fans have lost faith that ENIC really want it. If someone said to me, give us five years and we’re going to build a side that can truly challenge for titles, I’d happily sit tight and wait. We just don’t believe it’ll happen because ultimately there’s a financial ceiling that prevents us from getting there. It’s got nothing to do with patience. Ange isn’t really important in this debate because frankly I’m not sure it matters who’s on the touchline. The obstacles are higher up.
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Which is why Hector's comment at the top are so right. We are not big as some of you think we are.
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're not as big a club as you think you are and it shows,
You've (the spurs fans) have chased multiple winners because you're impatient, the instant gratification generation encapsulated in a fan base.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh do feck off
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Truth hurts eh
You, the fans, and I say this as someone that has a big soft spot for Tottenham for many years, youre so impatient for success you chase the managers who dont instantly deliver. That's fine if you're Chelsea who don't baulk at sacking managers but then back the new guy, Spurs won't do that, they need a long term plan with consistent leadership but the fans won't allow it a d Levy won't follow the Chelsea model.
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Spurs fans don't like to hear this but i think you are more or less correct.
The problem we have is that those impatient fans don't believe we will ever deliver under current ownership.
So really they are in a constant cycle of having little hope. You can only have your hopes crushed so many times!
My view is that clubs go through pretty clear cycles. All i expect and hope for is we take the next step. Under Poch we got so far, very close to the very top, but couldn't take the next step. For Ange he picked up a club in a mess, with an aging, average to poor squad. Some think the next step from that is success, it isnt IMO, there is a lot of work to be done before we can expect success. The question right now is can Ange take the nest step and that is far from certain. We have seen glimpses of how good it could be but not enough but right now, given the depleted squad, its not possible or right to judge whether he can deliver. We'll know more as the season progresses. But any manger that comes in will take on a very decent squad, that is incomplete and full of injuries and it wouldnt be right to judge them until much further down the line.
We will have to end the season well to restore faith that this can work
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This is wrong Dev. The perception we’re inpatient puts the onus on us when, in actual fact, we’re all more than prepared to play the waiting game. The truth is that most fans are disillusioned with the intentions of the board. After 20 years, we no longer believe that they want the success us fans do. We came close under Poch and whether it was a failure at board level or coaching staff, we refused to build when it mattered. So I think if you get close and don’t go the extra mile, most fans have lost faith that ENIC really want it. If someone said to me, give us five years and we’re going to build a side that can truly challenge for titles, I’d happily sit tight and wait. We just don’t believe it’ll happen because ultimately there’s a financial ceiling that prevents us from getting there. It’s got nothing to do with patience. Ange isn’t really important in this debate because frankly I’m not sure it matters who’s on the touchline. The obstacles are higher up.
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Which is why Hector's comment at the top are so right. We are not big as some of you think we are.
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Financially we are in as strong a position as most in the league, certainly Liverpool and Arsenal, yet it’s those two fighting it out for the league. This isn’t about financial muscle. It’s about financial intent.
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 45 minutes ago
Gonna be fascinating to see what we do in the window. I think the club are committed to Ange & love the idea of what he represents but at some point we all know its a results based business. Things might improve with some new players and a healthier squad but its a heck of gamble to keep committing to something that isn't delivering and a manager who steadfastly believes in "more of the same".
As much as Ange wants us all to believe he's a born winner I think the club need to see results in the top level games in the Prem. At the moment all Ange is doing is proving how weak the Scottish league is. He was outclassed playing this way when playing in the CL with Celtic and now the same thing is happening at a higher level with Spurs.
We'll see....Perhaps 2 tight & scrappy results Vs the Liverpool & Arsenal could be the turning point but it's hard to see regardless of who plays.
United got a brilliant result against Liverpool but it was built on a great defensive effort and disrupting their MF... Personally, I'm not sure Ange knows how or is even willing to try and do something similar.
Would love to try and keep it tight and stay in the tie for a long as possible and if we are still in with a shot, Give it go late in the second leg but I fear we could be 3-0 down at HT tomorrow with the tie lost before we even have a chance to win it
Only time will tell.
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I think this is very fair.
I also think that people get too triggered by Ange. If some expect him to come out and say "yeah that tactics are wrong, our approach is wrong etc" then do not hold your breath. The media and pundits are very lazy in the way they assess things. Watching the Arsenal game at the weekend, twice they played themselves into trouble at the back and conceded chances....There was no massive deal made out of it but when Spurs do it , its seen a big problem and a huge deal made out of it. 3 nil vs Utd, there was nothing wrong with how we were playing and Forster dropped 2 bollox and gave a defeated opposition huge hope.
The other thing about Ange is that he is not wildly different to most top managers. In public they will not say anything that may undermine the total belief his players must have in the system. Buying into the system is everything, if he responds to a journo saying "yeah mate, the systems flawed" then its game over. He's gonna back it publicly and i think a lot of people don't like how he does this.
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100% Right.... I don't expect Ange to come out and say he got it wrong.He doesn't need to... He's human and like everyone makes mistakes. Where he makes life difficult for himself is with some of things he says. He can come across a horribly arrogant for someone who's never managed in the Prem and frankly has a poor track record when playing in the CL. He could instruct the back for to play a little deeper, FBs to hold their position against fast break teams now and again and for the CMs not to press restlessly making us easy to play through on the break and the results would be there for all to see. Hell... Just being a bit more respectful and trying to "stay in the game" against quality opposition would be start. The Liverpool game was an utter joke considering our injuries. Anyone clinging to the positives of scoring 3 when we conceded 6 (and it should/could have been 10) it's just buying into this nonsense that winning football can be played like this. It can in school yards & in Scotland only !!!!... Years ago, Fergie said "lads it only Spurs"....Ange is currently making a great man/ winning manager look even wiser
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I think if you compare Spurs now of 12 months ago we are playing a bit deeper, our FBs are more considered in their attacks, one often holding back if the other is advanced. Certainly when Bentancur plays, there is more discipline in the DM position, better ball retention and more calm.
I suggest fans watch other teams, see where their CBs are when they're pushing the opposition back, see where their FBs are. Advanced FBs are not a new thing in the game. Liverpool were just as attacking as us when they beat us. CFC were also the same. It was toe to toe and the opposition executed much better.
If you compare to Liverpool, they have a world beater in Salah but they knock the ball long quite a bit but they do it with purpose and there are 2nd and 3rd runners immediately on the scene. It's worked on, it's planned, its deliberate. For me we seem to lack this. A long ball and players react rather than being in tune with what to expect in certain situations. My concern is that some of the details are not worked on, some of the variety and patterns of play are not there, its just adlibbed at times. This better executed variety in our play means that we are not trying to play out the whole time, teams can press us and we can bypass that if we have a planned direct approach. We are defo suffering with the lack of VDV and Romero as they are both good ballers and can break lines with passing.
The best example of out shortcomings in this respect is BJ. I never see him attacking space behind the full back, he never drops and spins. He just comes to the ball. He has pace, hes not a great dribbler but can exploit space but rarely looks to do so I do not know if thats him or the coaching but we could utilise this much better than we do. An old school long ball to Dom flicked on to BJ - nothing like this ever happens. We need to mix it up.
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
Forest have scored like 13 goals less than Spurs, but have 16 more points. Sure they are doing well, but by God they must be as boring as feck to watch, having only scored 29 goals in 20 games. Spurs for me all day long.
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Like many things in life.. The truth lies somewhere in the middle..... Plenty of managers have been More attacking than Nuno, Conte, Jose while being a bit more pragmatic than Ange. I think that's why Spurs fans had soft spot for Poch in his prime at Spurs.
We had attacking FBs in Walker and Rose. Plenty of attacking players in Kane, Son, Dele, Eriksen. However, we had the likes of Dembele & Dier to control the MF and CBs who despite their lack of VDV pace, knew where to hold their line to allow them the best chance to defend properly.
All the best/ winning teams have balance... Angeball in its current format doesn't.... The results speak for themselves.
Archie Gray (Young but Brilliant with huge upside) and Radu (a standout for Romania at the Euros) are fine footballers but the way we are playing is putting them in a position to fail... Thats on Ange and only he can change it.
He doesn't owe anything to the fans.. He should do it for himself coz right now he's ruining the best opportunity he's ever likely to get in the game
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 45 minutes ago
Gonna be fascinating to see what we do in the window. I think the club are committed to Ange & love the idea of what he represents but at some point we all know its a results based business. Things might improve with some new players and a healthier squad but its a heck of gamble to keep committing to something that isn't delivering and a manager who steadfastly believes in "more of the same".
As much as Ange wants us all to believe he's a born winner I think the club need to see results in the top level games in the Prem. At the moment all Ange is doing is proving how weak the Scottish league is. He was outclassed playing this way when playing in the CL with Celtic and now the same thing is happening at a higher level with Spurs.
We'll see....Perhaps 2 tight & scrappy results Vs the Liverpool & Arsenal could be the turning point but it's hard to see regardless of who plays.
United got a brilliant result against Liverpool but it was built on a great defensive effort and disrupting their MF... Personally, I'm not sure Ange knows how or is even willing to try and do something similar.
Would love to try and keep it tight and stay in the tie for a long as possible and if we are still in with a shot, Give it go late in the second leg but I fear we could be 3-0 down at HT tomorrow with the tie lost before we even have a chance to win it
Only time will tell.
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I think this is very fair.
I also think that people get too triggered by Ange. If some expect him to come out and say "yeah that tactics are wrong, our approach is wrong etc" then do not hold your breath. The media and pundits are very lazy in the way they assess things. Watching the Arsenal game at the weekend, twice they played themselves into trouble at the back and conceded chances....There was no massive deal made out of it but when Spurs do it , its seen a big problem and a huge deal made out of it. 3 nil vs Utd, there was nothing wrong with how we were playing and Forster dropped 2 bollox and gave a defeated opposition huge hope.
The other thing about Ange is that he is not wildly different to most top managers. In public they will not say anything that may undermine the total belief his players must have in the system. Buying into the system is everything, if he responds to a journo saying "yeah mate, the systems flawed" then its game over. He's gonna back it publicly and i think a lot of people don't like how he does this.
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100% Right.... I don't expect Ange to come out and say he got it wrong.He doesn't need to... He's human and like everyone makes mistakes. Where he makes life difficult for himself is with some of things he says. He can come across a horribly arrogant for someone who's never managed in the Prem and frankly has a poor track record when playing in the CL. He could instruct the back for to play a little deeper, FBs to hold their position against fast break teams now and again and for the CMs not to press restlessly making us easy to play through on the break and the results would be there for all to see. Hell... Just being a bit more respectful and trying to "stay in the game" against quality opposition would be start. The Liverpool game was an utter joke considering our injuries. Anyone clinging to the positives of scoring 3 when we conceded 6 (and it should/could have been 10) it's just buying into this nonsense that winning football can be played like this. It can in school yards & in Scotland only !!!!... Years ago, Fergie said "lads it only Spurs"....Ange is currently making a great man/ winning manager look even wiser
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I think if you compare Spurs now of 12 months ago we are playing a bit deeper, our FBs are more considered in their attacks, one often holding back if the other is advanced. Certainly when Bentancur plays, there is more discipline in the DM position, better ball retention and more calm.
I suggest fans watch other teams, see where their CBs are when they're pushing the opposition back, see where their FBs are. Advanced FBs are not a new thing in the game. Liverpool were just as attacking as us when they beat us. CFC were also the same. It was toe to toe and the opposition executed much better.
If you compare to Liverpool, they have a world beater in Salah but they knock the ball long quite a bit but they do it with purpose and there are 2nd and 3rd runners immediately on the scene. It's worked on, it's planned, its deliberate. For me we seem to lack this. A long ball and players react rather than being in tune with what to expect in certain situations. My concern is that some of the details are not worked on, some of the variety and patterns of play are not there, its just adlibbed at times. This better executed variety in our play means that we are not trying to play out the whole time, teams can press us and we can bypass that if we have a planned direct approach. We are defo suffering with the lack of VDV and Romero as they are both good ballers and can break lines with passing.
The best example of out shortcomings in this respect is BJ. I never see him attacking space behind the full back, he never drops and spins. He just comes to the ball. He has pace, hes not a great dribbler but can exploit space but rarely looks to do so I do not know if thats him or the coaching but we could utilise this much better than we do. An old school long ball to Dom flicked on to BJ - nothing like this ever happens. We need to mix it up.
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Its a great point about Dom. I'm not advocating being a long ball team BUT we so rarely mix it up play it long for a flick or holdup/ lay-off for Son or BJ to run past him. Kane was brilliant at it and Son more than anyone benefitted the most. I just find it bizzare that our GK spends more time with the ball being played to him than Dom does... He's criminally under-utilized and a much better footballer (when given the chance) & a bigger physical presence than I realized.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're not as big a club as you think you are and it shows,
You've (the spurs fans) have chased multiple winners because you're impatient, the instant gratification generation encapsulated in a fan base.
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Oh do feck off
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Truth hurts eh
You, the fans, and I say this as someone that has a big soft spot for Tottenham for many years, youre so impatient for success you chase the managers who dont instantly deliver. That's fine if you're Chelsea who don't baulk at sacking managers but then back the new guy, Spurs won't do that, they need a long term plan with consistent leadership but the fans won't allow it a d Levy won't follow the Chelsea model.
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Spurs fans don't like to hear this but i think you are more or less correct.
The problem we have is that those impatient fans don't believe we will ever deliver under current ownership.
So really they are in a constant cycle of having little hope. You can only have your hopes crushed so many times!
My view is that clubs go through pretty clear cycles. All i expect and hope for is we take the next step. Under Poch we got so far, very close to the very top, but couldn't take the next step. For Ange he picked up a club in a mess, with an aging, average to poor squad. Some think the next step from that is success, it isnt IMO, there is a lot of work to be done before we can expect success. The question right now is can Ange take the nest step and that is far from certain. We have seen glimpses of how good it could be but not enough but right now, given the depleted squad, its not possible or right to judge whether he can deliver. We'll know more as the season progresses. But any manger that comes in will take on a very decent squad, that is incomplete and full of injuries and it wouldnt be right to judge them until much further down the line.
We will have to end the season well to restore faith that this can work
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This is wrong Dev. The perception we’re inpatient puts the onus on us when, in actual fact, we’re all more than prepared to play the waiting game. The truth is that most fans are disillusioned with the intentions of the board. After 20 years, we no longer believe that they want the success us fans do. We came close under Poch and whether it was a failure at board level or coaching staff, we refused to build when it mattered. So I think if you get close and don’t go the extra mile, most fans have lost faith that ENIC really want it. If someone said to me, give us five years and we’re going to build a side that can truly challenge for titles, I’d happily sit tight and wait. We just don’t believe it’ll happen because ultimately there’s a financial ceiling that prevents us from getting there. It’s got nothing to do with patience. Ange isn’t really important in this debate because frankly I’m not sure it matters who’s on the touchline. The obstacles are higher up.
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Which is why Hector's comment at the top are so right. We are not big as some of you think we are.
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Financially we are in as strong a position as most in the league, certainly Liverpool and Arsenal, yet it’s those two fighting it out for the league. This isn’t about financial muscle. It’s about financial intent.
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I find it odd that the owners have done amazingly to grow our spending power from spending about £50 - 80m a year to £100- £150m a year and are then criticized for not spending even more.
Most clubs work with what they have and our owners have put us into a position of having an awful lot and more than most. But there are rules, rules which Spurs have been one of the biggest voices in ensuring they are enforced. If we blew our load and found ourselves in Everton's position or even United position of needing to spend more but not being able to, fans would be equally critical.
We have huge spending power and what i am concerned with is what we do with that substantial sum....not stamping my feet expecting the owners to make that massive sum even bigger.
If we cannot build a quality squad with £0.5bn over 3 summers then be critical of who we have spent the money on, not how much.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're not as big a club as you think you are and it shows,
You've (the spurs fans) have chased multiple winners because you're impatient, the instant gratification generation encapsulated in a fan base.
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Oh do feck off
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Truth hurts eh
You, the fans, and I say this as someone that has a big soft spot for Tottenham for many years, youre so impatient for success you chase the managers who dont instantly deliver. That's fine if you're Chelsea who don't baulk at sacking managers but then back the new guy, Spurs won't do that, they need a long term plan with consistent leadership but the fans won't allow it a d Levy won't follow the Chelsea model.
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Spurs fans don't like to hear this but i think you are more or less correct.
The problem we have is that those impatient fans don't believe we will ever deliver under current ownership.
So really they are in a constant cycle of having little hope. You can only have your hopes crushed so many times!
My view is that clubs go through pretty clear cycles. All i expect and hope for is we take the next step. Under Poch we got so far, very close to the very top, but couldn't take the next step. For Ange he picked up a club in a mess, with an aging, average to poor squad. Some think the next step from that is success, it isnt IMO, there is a lot of work to be done before we can expect success. The question right now is can Ange take the nest step and that is far from certain. We have seen glimpses of how good it could be but not enough but right now, given the depleted squad, its not possible or right to judge whether he can deliver. We'll know more as the season progresses. But any manger that comes in will take on a very decent squad, that is incomplete and full of injuries and it wouldnt be right to judge them until much further down the line.
We will have to end the season well to restore faith that this can work
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This is wrong Dev. The perception we’re inpatient puts the onus on us when, in actual fact, we’re all more than prepared to play the waiting game. The truth is that most fans are disillusioned with the intentions of the board. After 20 years, we no longer believe that they want the success us fans do. We came close under Poch and whether it was a failure at board level or coaching staff, we refused to build when it mattered. So I think if you get close and don’t go the extra mile, most fans have lost faith that ENIC really want it. If someone said to me, give us five years and we’re going to build a side that can truly challenge for titles, I’d happily sit tight and wait. We just don’t believe it’ll happen because ultimately there’s a financial ceiling that prevents us from getting there. It’s got nothing to do with patience. Ange isn’t really important in this debate because frankly I’m not sure it matters who’s on the touchline. The obstacles are higher up.
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Which is why Hector's comment at the top are so right. We are not big as some of you think we are.
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Financially we are in as strong a position as most in the league, certainly Liverpool and Arsenal, yet it’s those two fighting it out for the league. This isn’t about financial muscle. It’s about financial intent.
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I find it odd that the owners have done amazingly to grow our spending power from spending about £50 - 80m a year to £100- £150m a year and are then criticized for not spending even more.
Most clubs work with what they have and our owners have put us into a position of having an awful lot and more than most. But there are rules, rules which Spurs have been one of the biggest voices in ensuring they are enforced. If we blew our load and found ourselves in Everton's position or even United position of needing to spend more but not being able to, fans would be equally critical.
We have huge spending power and what i am concerned with is what we do with that substantial sum....not stamping my feet expecting the owners to make that massive sum even bigger.
If we cannot build a quality squad with £0.5bn over 3 summers then be critical of who we have spent the money on, not how much.
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Ive dialed back my criticism of Levy.. I don't think Spurs fans can complain about what's been spent on the squad in the past few years. Sure, I never liked the Richie signing and Werner is a horrible player BUT I think this Spurs squad, managed properly with some smart tactics, putting players in positions to succeed is top 6 in the PL... Its up to Ange to use it properly and to maximize its strengths. I think he's doing a poor job of managing what he has.
Sometimes you can't drive a BMW like a Ferrari.. More often than not a BMW is perfectly good enough anyway
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're not as big a club as you think you are and it shows,
You've (the spurs fans) have chased multiple winners because you're impatient, the instant gratification generation encapsulated in a fan base.
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Oh do feck off
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Truth hurts eh
You, the fans, and I say this as someone that has a big soft spot for Tottenham for many years, youre so impatient for success you chase the managers who dont instantly deliver. That's fine if you're Chelsea who don't baulk at sacking managers but then back the new guy, Spurs won't do that, they need a long term plan with consistent leadership but the fans won't allow it a d Levy won't follow the Chelsea model.
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Spurs fans don't like to hear this but i think you are more or less correct.
The problem we have is that those impatient fans don't believe we will ever deliver under current ownership.
So really they are in a constant cycle of having little hope. You can only have your hopes crushed so many times!
My view is that clubs go through pretty clear cycles. All i expect and hope for is we take the next step. Under Poch we got so far, very close to the very top, but couldn't take the next step. For Ange he picked up a club in a mess, with an aging, average to poor squad. Some think the next step from that is success, it isnt IMO, there is a lot of work to be done before we can expect success. The question right now is can Ange take the nest step and that is far from certain. We have seen glimpses of how good it could be but not enough but right now, given the depleted squad, its not possible or right to judge whether he can deliver. We'll know more as the season progresses. But any manger that comes in will take on a very decent squad, that is incomplete and full of injuries and it wouldnt be right to judge them until much further down the line.
We will have to end the season well to restore faith that this can work
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You really take the michael.
30yrs I've supported Tottenham and I've seen ONE LEAGUE cup.
30yrs and I'm impatient and entitled, and only you are a real fan.
What a moron!
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're not as big a club as you think you are and it shows,
You've (the spurs fans) have chased multiple winners because you're impatient, the instant gratification generation encapsulated in a fan base.
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Oh do feck off
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Truth hurts eh
You, the fans, and I say this as someone that has a big soft spot for Tottenham for many years, youre so impatient for success you chase the managers who dont instantly deliver. That's fine if you're Chelsea who don't baulk at sacking managers but then back the new guy, Spurs won't do that, they need a long term plan with consistent leadership but the fans won't allow it a d Levy won't follow the Chelsea model.
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Spurs fans don't like to hear this but i think you are more or less correct.
The problem we have is that those impatient fans don't believe we will ever deliver under current ownership.
So really they are in a constant cycle of having little hope. You can only have your hopes crushed so many times!
My view is that clubs go through pretty clear cycles. All i expect and hope for is we take the next step. Under Poch we got so far, very close to the very top, but couldn't take the next step. For Ange he picked up a club in a mess, with an aging, average to poor squad. Some think the next step from that is success, it isnt IMO, there is a lot of work to be done before we can expect success. The question right now is can Ange take the nest step and that is far from certain. We have seen glimpses of how good it could be but not enough but right now, given the depleted squad, its not possible or right to judge whether he can deliver. We'll know more as the season progresses. But any manger that comes in will take on a very decent squad, that is incomplete and full of injuries and it wouldnt be right to judge them until much further down the line.
We will have to end the season well to restore faith that this can work
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You really take the michael.
30yrs I've supported Tottenham and I've seen ONE LEAGUE cup.
30yrs and I'm impatient and entitled, and only you are a real fan.
What a moron!
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& Just when I thought this actually seemed like a decent, friendly debate
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're not as big a club as you think you are and it shows,
You've (the spurs fans) have chased multiple winners because you're impatient, the instant gratification generation encapsulated in a fan base.
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Oh do feck off
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Truth hurts eh
You, the fans, and I say this as someone that has a big soft spot for Tottenham for many years, youre so impatient for success you chase the managers who dont instantly deliver. That's fine if you're Chelsea who don't baulk at sacking managers but then back the new guy, Spurs won't do that, they need a long term plan with consistent leadership but the fans won't allow it a d Levy won't follow the Chelsea model.
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Spurs fans don't like to hear this but i think you are more or less correct.
The problem we have is that those impatient fans don't believe we will ever deliver under current ownership.
So really they are in a constant cycle of having little hope. You can only have your hopes crushed so many times!
My view is that clubs go through pretty clear cycles. All i expect and hope for is we take the next step. Under Poch we got so far, very close to the very top, but couldn't take the next step. For Ange he picked up a club in a mess, with an aging, average to poor squad. Some think the next step from that is success, it isnt IMO, there is a lot of work to be done before we can expect success. The question right now is can Ange take the nest step and that is far from certain. We have seen glimpses of how good it could be but not enough but right now, given the depleted squad, its not possible or right to judge whether he can deliver. We'll know more as the season progresses. But any manger that comes in will take on a very decent squad, that is incomplete and full of injuries and it wouldnt be right to judge them until much further down the line.
We will have to end the season well to restore faith that this can work
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You really take the michael.
30yrs I've supported Tottenham and I've seen ONE LEAGUE cup.
30yrs and I'm impatient and entitled, and only you are a real fan.
What a moron!
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Unlucky mate, but you could support 95 per cent of the football pyramid and seen your club win nothing in 30 years. Or worse still imagine supporting the likes of Fulham, Bournemouth and never seen your club win anything. You don't hear their supporters moaning 24/7.
I am lucky seen Spurs win 14 trophies. Obviously want to see more, but if I don't it won't make any difference to my support of Spurs. I will be there with them until the end.
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're not as big a club as you think you are and it shows,
You've (the spurs fans) have chased multiple winners because you're impatient, the instant gratification generation encapsulated in a fan base.
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Oh do feck off
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Truth hurts eh
You, the fans, and I say this as someone that has a big soft spot for Tottenham for many years, youre so impatient for success you chase the managers who dont instantly deliver. That's fine if you're Chelsea who don't baulk at sacking managers but then back the new guy, Spurs won't do that, they need a long term plan with consistent leadership but the fans won't allow it a d Levy won't follow the Chelsea model.
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Spurs fans don't like to hear this but i think you are more or less correct.
The problem we have is that those impatient fans don't believe we will ever deliver under current ownership.
So really they are in a constant cycle of having little hope. You can only have your hopes crushed so many times!
My view is that clubs go through pretty clear cycles. All i expect and hope for is we take the next step. Under Poch we got so far, very close to the very top, but couldn't take the next step. For Ange he picked up a club in a mess, with an aging, average to poor squad. Some think the next step from that is success, it isnt IMO, there is a lot of work to be done before we can expect success. The question right now is can Ange take the nest step and that is far from certain. We have seen glimpses of how good it could be but not enough but right now, given the depleted squad, its not possible or right to judge whether he can deliver. We'll know more as the season progresses. But any manger that comes in will take on a very decent squad, that is incomplete and full of injuries and it wouldnt be right to judge them until much further down the line.
We will have to end the season well to restore faith that this can work
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You really take the michael.
30yrs I've supported Tottenham and I've seen ONE LEAGUE cup.
30yrs and I'm impatient and entitled, and only you are a real fan.
What a moron!
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WHat i mean is that we are all impatient for success.....but take our situation now, Ange picked us up when we were a mess. It doesnt matter jhow impatient we are NO ONE walks in and turns around that mess in 18 months.
Veryt few managers walk into any team and bring immediate success.
We need to be patient with Ange because he hasnt been there that long and is over seeing a big change. The previous 28 years are nothing to do with him or most of the players that are now in our squad. If he fails, so be it, he goes. I just think its too early to judge and some patience (the rest of this season as a minimum) is needed. Its been poor so far but you don't know what the rest will yield.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're not as big a club as you think you are and it shows,
You've (the spurs fans) have chased multiple winners because you're impatient, the instant gratification generation encapsulated in a fan base.
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Oh do feck off
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Truth hurts eh
You, the fans, and I say this as someone that has a big soft spot for Tottenham for many years, youre so impatient for success you chase the managers who dont instantly deliver. That's fine if you're Chelsea who don't baulk at sacking managers but then back the new guy, Spurs won't do that, they need a long term plan with consistent leadership but the fans won't allow it a d Levy won't follow the Chelsea model.
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Spurs fans don't like to hear this but i think you are more or less correct.
The problem we have is that those impatient fans don't believe we will ever deliver under current ownership.
So really they are in a constant cycle of having little hope. You can only have your hopes crushed so many times!
My view is that clubs go through pretty clear cycles. All i expect and hope for is we take the next step. Under Poch we got so far, very close to the very top, but couldn't take the next step. For Ange he picked up a club in a mess, with an aging, average to poor squad. Some think the next step from that is success, it isnt IMO, there is a lot of work to be done before we can expect success. The question right now is can Ange take the nest step and that is far from certain. We have seen glimpses of how good it could be but not enough but right now, given the depleted squad, its not possible or right to judge whether he can deliver. We'll know more as the season progresses. But any manger that comes in will take on a very decent squad, that is incomplete and full of injuries and it wouldnt be right to judge them until much further down the line.
We will have to end the season well to restore faith that this can work
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You really take the michael.
30yrs I've supported Tottenham and I've seen ONE LEAGUE cup.
30yrs and I'm impatient and entitled, and only you are a real fan.
What a moron!
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WHat i mean is that we are all impatient for success.....but take our situation now, Ange picked us up when we were a mess. It doesnt matter jhow impatient we are NO ONE walks in and turns around that mess in 18 months.
Veryt few managers walk into any team and bring immediate success.
We need to be patient with Ange because he hasnt been there that long and is over seeing a big change. The previous 28 years are nothing to do with him or most of the players that are now in our squad. If he fails, so be it, he goes. I just think its too early to judge and some patience (the rest of this season as a minimum) is needed. Its been poor so far but you don't know what the rest will yield.
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Ok if it wasn't clear before let me clear it up, I DON'T want Ange to be sacked.
But I DO want him backed properly and with quality now and not always kids for the future otherwise the guy is hamstrung from the off.
Its is clear he has a specific way of playing which is spectacular and a joy to watch, but at the same time Ange has to show that he can adapt to situations (going 2-0 up and stifling things for 5-10 mins).
I am not seeing that kind of game intelligence sorry.
Also surely we are allowed to criticise the manager without being called maniacs?
Rant over.
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're not as big a club as you think you are and it shows,
You've (the spurs fans) have chased multiple winners because you're impatient, the instant gratification generation encapsulated in a fan base.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh do feck off
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Truth hurts eh
You, the fans, and I say this as someone that has a big soft spot for Tottenham for many years, youre so impatient for success you chase the managers who dont instantly deliver. That's fine if you're Chelsea who don't baulk at sacking managers but then back the new guy, Spurs won't do that, they need a long term plan with consistent leadership but the fans won't allow it a d Levy won't follow the Chelsea model.
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Spurs fans don't like to hear this but i think you are more or less correct.
The problem we have is that those impatient fans don't believe we will ever deliver under current ownership.
So really they are in a constant cycle of having little hope. You can only have your hopes crushed so many times!
My view is that clubs go through pretty clear cycles. All i expect and hope for is we take the next step. Under Poch we got so far, very close to the very top, but couldn't take the next step. For Ange he picked up a club in a mess, with an aging, average to poor squad. Some think the next step from that is success, it isnt IMO, there is a lot of work to be done before we can expect success. The question right now is can Ange take the nest step and that is far from certain. We have seen glimpses of how good it could be but not enough but right now, given the depleted squad, its not possible or right to judge whether he can deliver. We'll know more as the season progresses. But any manger that comes in will take on a very decent squad, that is incomplete and full of injuries and it wouldnt be right to judge them until much further down the line.
We will have to end the season well to restore faith that this can work
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You really take the michael.
30yrs I've supported Tottenham and I've seen ONE LEAGUE cup.
30yrs and I'm impatient and entitled, and only you are a real fan.
What a moron!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Unlucky mate, but you could support 95 per cent of the football pyramid and seen your club win nothing in 30 years. Or worse still imagine supporting the likes of Fulham, Bournemouth and never seen your club win anything. You don't hear their supporters moaning 24/7.
I am lucky seen Spurs win 14 trophies. Obviously want to see more, but if I don't it won't make any difference to my support of Spurs. I will be there with them until the end.
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But we are not Fulham or Bournemouth etc.
Ok we are not successful as Liverpool or Man U BUT we are one of the historical and legacy teams in England.
Always been a big club and massive support which you can back up as you have seen "glory years".
So we definitely should have seen more than 1 LEAGUE cup not even FA cup or European cup under ENICs tenure.
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 3 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're not as big a club as you think you are and it shows,
You've (the spurs fans) have chased multiple winners because you're impatient, the instant gratification generation encapsulated in a fan base.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh do feck off
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Truth hurts eh
You, the fans, and I say this as someone that has a big soft spot for Tottenham for many years, youre so impatient for success you chase the managers who dont instantly deliver. That's fine if you're Chelsea who don't baulk at sacking managers but then back the new guy, Spurs won't do that, they need a long term plan with consistent leadership but the fans won't allow it a d Levy won't follow the Chelsea model.
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Spurs fans don't like to hear this but i think you are more or less correct.
The problem we have is that those impatient fans don't believe we will ever deliver under current ownership.
So really they are in a constant cycle of having little hope. You can only have your hopes crushed so many times!
My view is that clubs go through pretty clear cycles. All i expect and hope for is we take the next step. Under Poch we got so far, very close to the very top, but couldn't take the next step. For Ange he picked up a club in a mess, with an aging, average to poor squad. Some think the next step from that is success, it isnt IMO, there is a lot of work to be done before we can expect success. The question right now is can Ange take the nest step and that is far from certain. We have seen glimpses of how good it could be but not enough but right now, given the depleted squad, its not possible or right to judge whether he can deliver. We'll know more as the season progresses. But any manger that comes in will take on a very decent squad, that is incomplete and full of injuries and it wouldnt be right to judge them until much further down the line.
We will have to end the season well to restore faith that this can work
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This is wrong Dev. The perception we’re inpatient puts the onus on us when, in actual fact, we’re all more than prepared to play the waiting game. The truth is that most fans are disillusioned with the intentions of the board. After 20 years, we no longer believe that they want the success us fans do. We came close under Poch and whether it was a failure at board level or coaching staff, we refused to build when it mattered. So I think if you get close and don’t go the extra mile, most fans have lost faith that ENIC really want it. If someone said to me, give us five years and we’re going to build a side that can truly challenge for titles, I’d happily sit tight and wait. We just don’t believe it’ll happen because ultimately there’s a financial ceiling that prevents us from getting there. It’s got nothing to do with patience. Ange isn’t really important in this debate because frankly I’m not sure it matters who’s on the touchline. The obstacles are higher up.
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Which is why Hector's comment at the top are so right. We are not big as some of you think we are.
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Financially we are in as strong a position as most in the league, certainly Liverpool and Arsenal, yet it’s those two fighting it out for the league. This isn’t about financial muscle. It’s about financial intent.
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I find it odd that the owners have done amazingly to grow our spending power from spending about £50 - 80m a year to £100- £150m a year and are then criticized for not spending even more.
Most clubs work with what they have and our owners have put us into a position of having an awful lot and more than most. But there are rules, rules which Spurs have been one of the biggest voices in ensuring they are enforced. If we blew our load and found ourselves in Everton's position or even United position of needing to spend more but not being able to, fans would be equally critical.
We have huge spending power and what i am concerned with is what we do with that substantial sum....not stamping my feet expecting the owners to make that massive sum even bigger.
If we cannot build a quality squad with £0.5bn over 3 summers then be critical of who we have spent the money on, not how much.
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Ive dialed back my criticism of Levy.. I don't think Spurs fans can complain about what's been spent on the squad in the past few years. Sure, I never liked the Richie signing and Werner is a horrible player BUT I think this Spurs squad, managed properly with some smart tactics, putting players in positions to succeed is top 6 in the PL... Its up to Ange to use it properly and to maximize its strengths. I think he's doing a poor job of managing what he has.
Sometimes you can't drive a BMW like a Ferrari.. More often than not a BMW is perfectly good enough anyway
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You can't deny the money spent on fees but focus your attention on the ever decreasing wage bill for a sign of Levy's intentions. That's where the difference lies between us and the elite because elite players want big money. If you take that knowledge and consider that ticket sales puts us level with United and by far and away clearer than any other club it suggests we're spending below our weight. Don't be under any illusions about how much financial muscle we have.
Dev makes some good points. We have spent badly in the past but that's not a reason to avoid going big again. We can't let Ndombele be the marker for high value players and therefore believe that buying cheap is always the answer. I get that we've been stung but there's just something so cautious about our approach. In many ways PSR has given Levy the perfect excuse to operate cautiously. He's not doing it because of the rules. He's doing it because he's inherently thrifty. The word is that Spurs are the club putting most pressure on the PL to punish City. If that fails and City get a lenient punishment, then what? What happens when he can no longer lean against PSR to justify his approach? We've already seen how flexible clubs can be to get around PSR. Just look at how much Chelsea have spent and they're no longer in any trouble. How the feck is that possible? There are ways and means to spend more, largely on wages, but we don't do it. I know Dev will likely come back at me now and say that it's because we're early in the rebuild so naturally wages are always lower at the start but it's yet another rebuild. How much faith are we going to have that this build will even be finalised? None of the others ever were.
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're not as big a club as you think you are and it shows,
You've (the spurs fans) have chased multiple winners because you're impatient, the instant gratification generation encapsulated in a fan base.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh do feck off
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Truth hurts eh
You, the fans, and I say this as someone that has a big soft spot for Tottenham for many years, youre so impatient for success you chase the managers who dont instantly deliver. That's fine if you're Chelsea who don't baulk at sacking managers but then back the new guy, Spurs won't do that, they need a long term plan with consistent leadership but the fans won't allow it a d Levy won't follow the Chelsea model.
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Spurs fans don't like to hear this but i think you are more or less correct.
The problem we have is that those impatient fans don't believe we will ever deliver under current ownership.
So really they are in a constant cycle of having little hope. You can only have your hopes crushed so many times!
My view is that clubs go through pretty clear cycles. All i expect and hope for is we take the next step. Under Poch we got so far, very close to the very top, but couldn't take the next step. For Ange he picked up a club in a mess, with an aging, average to poor squad. Some think the next step from that is success, it isnt IMO, there is a lot of work to be done before we can expect success. The question right now is can Ange take the nest step and that is far from certain. We have seen glimpses of how good it could be but not enough but right now, given the depleted squad, its not possible or right to judge whether he can deliver. We'll know more as the season progresses. But any manger that comes in will take on a very decent squad, that is incomplete and full of injuries and it wouldnt be right to judge them until much further down the line.
We will have to end the season well to restore faith that this can work
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You really take the michael.
30yrs I've supported Tottenham and I've seen ONE LEAGUE cup.
30yrs and I'm impatient and entitled, and only you are a real fan.
What a moron!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
WHat i mean is that we are all impatient for success.....but take our situation now, Ange picked us up when we were a mess. It doesnt matter jhow impatient we are NO ONE walks in and turns around that mess in 18 months.
Veryt few managers walk into any team and bring immediate success.
We need to be patient with Ange because he hasnt been there that long and is over seeing a big change. The previous 28 years are nothing to do with him or most of the players that are now in our squad. If he fails, so be it, he goes. I just think its too early to judge and some patience (the rest of this season as a minimum) is needed. Its been poor so far but you don't know what the rest will yield.
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Ok if it wasn't clear before let me clear it up, I DON'T want Ange to be sacked.
But I DO want him backed properly and with quality now and not always kids for the future otherwise the guy is hamstrung from the off.
Its is clear he has a specific way of playing which is spectacular and a joy to watch, but at the same time Ange has to show that he can adapt to situations (going 2-0 up and stifling things for 5-10 mins).
I am not seeing that kind of game intelligence sorry.
Also surely we are allowed to criticise the manager without being called maniacs?
Rant over.
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Good points. To add to this, if you're always planning for the future, then players entering their primes now grow impatient. Just look at Romero. He's not going to want to sit tight and wait for Gray and Bergvall to become world beaters. He'll want out before then. Then the cycle restarts and you need to plug that gap. The biggest problem I have with the way Levy operates is that the speed of the rebuild is far too long. It's flawed because you never end up with the finished article. It's like painting the Forth Bridge. The moment you finish, the start already needs repainting.
Then there's Ange's tactics. I've flip-flopped about Ange. Ultimately I don't want him to go but equally he does play a brand of football that requires top players, just as Pep does. Is he ever going to get that at Spurs? In Jose and Conte we had ill-fitting chequebook managers. Is Ange the same without even him realising it? You don't have to spend big to play that brand of football in Australia, Japan and Scotland but in the greatest league of all, to play that way, I kind of think you do.
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posted 4 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're not as big a club as you think you are and it shows,
You've (the spurs fans) have chased multiple winners because you're impatient, the instant gratification generation encapsulated in a fan base.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh do feck off
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Truth hurts eh
You, the fans, and I say this as someone that has a big soft spot for Tottenham for many years, youre so impatient for success you chase the managers who dont instantly deliver. That's fine if you're Chelsea who don't baulk at sacking managers but then back the new guy, Spurs won't do that, they need a long term plan with consistent leadership but the fans won't allow it a d Levy won't follow the Chelsea model.
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Spurs fans don't like to hear this but i think you are more or less correct.
The problem we have is that those impatient fans don't believe we will ever deliver under current ownership.
So really they are in a constant cycle of having little hope. You can only have your hopes crushed so many times!
My view is that clubs go through pretty clear cycles. All i expect and hope for is we take the next step. Under Poch we got so far, very close to the very top, but couldn't take the next step. For Ange he picked up a club in a mess, with an aging, average to poor squad. Some think the next step from that is success, it isnt IMO, there is a lot of work to be done before we can expect success. The question right now is can Ange take the nest step and that is far from certain. We have seen glimpses of how good it could be but not enough but right now, given the depleted squad, its not possible or right to judge whether he can deliver. We'll know more as the season progresses. But any manger that comes in will take on a very decent squad, that is incomplete and full of injuries and it wouldnt be right to judge them until much further down the line.
We will have to end the season well to restore faith that this can work
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This is wrong Dev. The perception we’re inpatient puts the onus on us when, in actual fact, we’re all more than prepared to play the waiting game. The truth is that most fans are disillusioned with the intentions of the board. After 20 years, we no longer believe that they want the success us fans do. We came close under Poch and whether it was a failure at board level or coaching staff, we refused to build when it mattered. So I think if you get close and don’t go the extra mile, most fans have lost faith that ENIC really want it. If someone said to me, give us five years and we’re going to build a side that can truly challenge for titles, I’d happily sit tight and wait. We just don’t believe it’ll happen because ultimately there’s a financial ceiling that prevents us from getting there. It’s got nothing to do with patience. Ange isn’t really important in this debate because frankly I’m not sure it matters who’s on the touchline. The obstacles are higher up.
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Which is why Hector's comment at the top are so right. We are not big as some of you think we are.
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Financially we are in as strong a position as most in the league, certainly Liverpool and Arsenal, yet it’s those two fighting it out for the league. This isn’t about financial muscle. It’s about financial intent.
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Agree in terms of wages and transfer fees but we are only in a strong financial position due to our low wages to turnover ratio, which is one of the best in the league.
The moment we start increasing our wages our profits will go down, as our will our muscle. Selling players for good money will help but we will more than likely spend any income from outgoings back into the squad. Naming rights would also help as well as concerts ect ect.
We need to build a capable squad first imo (2.7 windows...) before we can begin to start increasing wages, which will then have impact on our transfer spend. Hopefully, once the squad is set, we only need to add one or two players a window as well as selling the deadwood to balance the books.
That's my take anyway..
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 3 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're not as big a club as you think you are and it shows,
You've (the spurs fans) have chased multiple winners because you're impatient, the instant gratification generation encapsulated in a fan base.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh do feck off
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Truth hurts eh
You, the fans, and I say this as someone that has a big soft spot for Tottenham for many years, youre so impatient for success you chase the managers who dont instantly deliver. That's fine if you're Chelsea who don't baulk at sacking managers but then back the new guy, Spurs won't do that, they need a long term plan with consistent leadership but the fans won't allow it a d Levy won't follow the Chelsea model.
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Spurs fans don't like to hear this but i think you are more or less correct.
The problem we have is that those impatient fans don't believe we will ever deliver under current ownership.
So really they are in a constant cycle of having little hope. You can only have your hopes crushed so many times!
My view is that clubs go through pretty clear cycles. All i expect and hope for is we take the next step. Under Poch we got so far, very close to the very top, but couldn't take the next step. For Ange he picked up a club in a mess, with an aging, average to poor squad. Some think the next step from that is success, it isnt IMO, there is a lot of work to be done before we can expect success. The question right now is can Ange take the nest step and that is far from certain. We have seen glimpses of how good it could be but not enough but right now, given the depleted squad, its not possible or right to judge whether he can deliver. We'll know more as the season progresses. But any manger that comes in will take on a very decent squad, that is incomplete and full of injuries and it wouldnt be right to judge them until much further down the line.
We will have to end the season well to restore faith that this can work
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You really take the michael.
30yrs I've supported Tottenham and I've seen ONE LEAGUE cup.
30yrs and I'm impatient and entitled, and only you are a real fan.
What a moron!
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Unlucky mate, but you could support 95 per cent of the football pyramid and seen your club win nothing in 30 years. Or worse still imagine supporting the likes of Fulham, Bournemouth and never seen your club win anything. You don't hear their supporters moaning 24/7.
I am lucky seen Spurs win 14 trophies. Obviously want to see more, but if I don't it won't make any difference to my support of Spurs. I will be there with them until the end.
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But we are not Fulham or Bournemouth etc.
Ok we are not successful as Liverpool or Man U BUT we are one of the historical and legacy teams in England.
Always been a big club and massive support which you can back up as you have seen "glory years".
So we definitely should have seen more than 1 LEAGUE cup not even FA cup or European cup under ENICs tenure.
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Well historically so are Newcastle. They haven't won a domestic trophy since 1955. That's 70 years. Don't hear their fans moaning either.
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After 20 games, the only thing that matters are the WDL. I don’t care if we win every game 1 nil and we have our record low goals scored for an entire season. Nor do I care how many goals we’ve scored and conceded last season. The focus is on the here and now and the reality is, we’ve played 20 games and only won 7. If you really want to compare, simply consider this: This season we are simply worst than what we were last season. That’s all we need to know.
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You're not as big a club as you think you are and it shows,
You've (the spurs fans) have chased multiple winners because you're impatient, the instant gratification generation encapsulated in a fan base.
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Oh do feck off
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Truth hurts eh
You, the fans, and I say this as someone that has a big soft spot for Tottenham for many years, youre so impatient for success you chase the managers who dont instantly deliver. That's fine if you're Chelsea who don't baulk at sacking managers but then back the new guy, Spurs won't do that, they need a long term plan with consistent leadership but the fans won't allow it a d Levy won't follow the Chelsea model.
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Spurs fans don't like to hear this but i think you are more or less correct.
The problem we have is that those impatient fans don't believe we will ever deliver under current ownership.
So really they are in a constant cycle of having little hope. You can only have your hopes crushed so many times!
My view is that clubs go through pretty clear cycles. All i expect and hope for is we take the next step. Under Poch we got so far, very close to the very top, but couldn't take the next step. For Ange he picked up a club in a mess, with an aging, average to poor squad. Some think the next step from that is success, it isnt IMO, there is a lot of work to be done before we can expect success. The question right now is can Ange take the nest step and that is far from certain. We have seen glimpses of how good it could be but not enough but right now, given the depleted squad, its not possible or right to judge whether he can deliver. We'll know more as the season progresses. But any manger that comes in will take on a very decent squad, that is incomplete and full of injuries and it wouldnt be right to judge them until much further down the line.
We will have to end the season well to restore faith that this can work
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This is wrong Dev. The perception we’re inpatient puts the onus on us when, in actual fact, we’re all more than prepared to play the waiting game. The truth is that most fans are disillusioned with the intentions of the board. After 20 years, we no longer believe that they want the success us fans do. We came close under Poch and whether it was a failure at board level or coaching staff, we refused to build when it mattered. So I think if you get close and don’t go the extra mile, most fans have lost faith that ENIC really want it. If someone said to me, give us five years and we’re going to build a side that can truly challenge for titles, I’d happily sit tight and wait. We just don’t believe it’ll happen because ultimately there’s a financial ceiling that prevents us from getting there. It’s got nothing to do with patience. Ange isn’t really important in this debate because frankly I’m not sure it matters who’s on the touchline. The obstacles are higher up.
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Which is why Hector's comment at the top are so right. We are not big as some of you think we are.
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Financially we are in as strong a position as most in the league, certainly Liverpool and Arsenal, yet it’s those two fighting it out for the league. This isn’t about financial muscle. It’s about financial intent.
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I find it odd that the owners have done amazingly to grow our spending power from spending about £50 - 80m a year to £100- £150m a year and are then criticized for not spending even more.
Most clubs work with what they have and our owners have put us into a position of having an awful lot and more than most. But there are rules, rules which Spurs have been one of the biggest voices in ensuring they are enforced. If we blew our load and found ourselves in Everton's position or even United position of needing to spend more but not being able to, fans would be equally critical.
We have huge spending power and what i am concerned with is what we do with that substantial sum....not stamping my feet expecting the owners to make that massive sum even bigger.
If we cannot build a quality squad with £0.5bn over 3 summers then be critical of who we have spent the money on, not how much.
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Ive dialed back my criticism of Levy.. I don't think Spurs fans can complain about what's been spent on the squad in the past few years. Sure, I never liked the Richie signing and Werner is a horrible player BUT I think this Spurs squad, managed properly with some smart tactics, putting players in positions to succeed is top 6 in the PL... Its up to Ange to use it properly and to maximize its strengths. I think he's doing a poor job of managing what he has.
Sometimes you can't drive a BMW like a Ferrari.. More often than not a BMW is perfectly good enough anyway
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You can't deny the money spent on fees but focus your attention on the ever decreasing wage bill for a sign of Levy's intentions. That's where the difference lies between us and the elite because elite players want big money. If you take that knowledge and consider that ticket sales puts us level with United and by far and away clearer than any other club it suggests we're spending below our weight. Don't be under any illusions about how much financial muscle we have.
Dev makes some good points. We have spent badly in the past but that's not a reason to avoid going big again. We can't let Ndombele be the marker for high value players and therefore believe that buying cheap is always the answer. I get that we've been stung but there's just something so cautious about our approach. In many ways PSR has given Levy the perfect excuse to operate cautiously. He's not doing it because of the rules. He's doing it because he's inherently thrifty. The word is that Spurs are the club putting most pressure on the PL to punish City. If that fails and City get a lenient punishment, then what? What happens when he can no longer lean against PSR to justify his approach? We've already seen how flexible clubs can be to get around PSR. Just look at how much Chelsea have spent and they're no longer in any trouble. How the feck is that possible? There are ways and means to spend more, largely on wages, but we don't do it. I know Dev will likely come back at me now and say that it's because we're early in the rebuild so naturally wages are always lower at the start but it's yet another rebuild. How much faith are we going to have that this build will even be finalised? None of the others ever were.
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The obsession with the wage bill is a red herring.
Wr are shifting old experience pros, Lloris Dier Kane etc and other like Sanchez and PEH and bringing fresh new talent.
Give me VDV on 50k a week over Dier on +100k any day of the week. Same for Spence vs Emerson. Same for Sarr over Hojberg, Vic vs Lloris, Udogie vs Perisic.
This idea that we are systematically trimming the wage bill as a cost saving exercise is wrong. It is a consequence of the rebuild process the squad is going through, not the driving force.
I can think of few if any examples of Spurs failing to get deals over wages, except things like Toney who we would no way pay 250k a week. Jeez, give me Bergvall on peanuts over Ndombele of 200k.
"Compared to last season, after 20 games, we have scored the same number of goals (42) let in 1 more (30 vs 29) but have 15 less points "
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And what would a football genius conclude from that?
Absolutely nothing.......
League standing depends only on the scores at the end of the games you play..........
You could score 100 goals in one game and win it, but lose all your other games 0-1.
You would be the highest scoring team in the premiership, and sit exactly at the .............
BOTTOM.
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"Compared to last season, after 20 games, we have scored the same number of goals (42) let in 1 more (30 vs 29) but have 15 less points "
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And what would a football genius conclude from that?
Absolutely nothing.......
League standing depends only on the scores at the end of the games you play..........
You could score 100 goals in one game and win it, but lose all your other games 0-1.
You would be the highest scoring team in the premiership, and sit exactly at the .............
BOTTOM.
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Good point Ted. In season 1937/38 Manchester City were top scorers with 80 goals, and were relegated. Always good to know a bit about football history.
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comment by Hector (U3606)
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You're not as big a club as you think you are and it shows,
You've (the spurs fans) have chased multiple winners because you're impatient, the instant gratification generation encapsulated in a fan base.
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This is true. Been telling posters on here to stat humble for yonks.
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Except we are based on value and earnings which is why we deserve better than cheapskate Levy.
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When the real tenants the NFL & Taylor Swift are in town you mean
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posted on 7/1/25
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're not as big a club as you think you are and it shows,
You've (the spurs fans) have chased multiple winners because you're impatient, the instant gratification generation encapsulated in a fan base.
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Oh do feck off
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Truth hurts eh
You, the fans, and I say this as someone that has a big soft spot for Tottenham for many years, youre so impatient for success you chase the managers who dont instantly deliver. That's fine if you're Chelsea who don't baulk at sacking managers but then back the new guy, Spurs won't do that, they need a long term plan with consistent leadership but the fans won't allow it a d Levy won't follow the Chelsea model.
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Spurs fans don't like to hear this but i think you are more or less correct.
The problem we have is that those impatient fans don't believe we will ever deliver under current ownership.
So really they are in a constant cycle of having little hope. You can only have your hopes crushed so many times!
My view is that clubs go through pretty clear cycles. All i expect and hope for is we take the next step. Under Poch we got so far, very close to the very top, but couldn't take the next step. For Ange he picked up a club in a mess, with an aging, average to poor squad. Some think the next step from that is success, it isnt IMO, there is a lot of work to be done before we can expect success. The question right now is can Ange take the nest step and that is far from certain. We have seen glimpses of how good it could be but not enough but right now, given the depleted squad, its not possible or right to judge whether he can deliver. We'll know more as the season progresses. But any manger that comes in will take on a very decent squad, that is incomplete and full of injuries and it wouldnt be right to judge them until much further down the line.
We will have to end the season well to restore faith that this can work
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This is wrong Dev. The perception we’re inpatient puts the onus on us when, in actual fact, we’re all more than prepared to play the waiting game. The truth is that most fans are disillusioned with the intentions of the board. After 20 years, we no longer believe that they want the success us fans do. We came close under Poch and whether it was a failure at board level or coaching staff, we refused to build when it mattered. So I think if you get close and don’t go the extra mile, most fans have lost faith that ENIC really want it. If someone said to me, give us five years and we’re going to build a side that can truly challenge for titles, I’d happily sit tight and wait. We just don’t believe it’ll happen because ultimately there’s a financial ceiling that prevents us from getting there. It’s got nothing to do with patience. Ange isn’t really important in this debate because frankly I’m not sure it matters who’s on the touchline. The obstacles are higher up.
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Which is why Hector's comment at the top are so right. We are not big as some of you think we are.
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comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're not as big a club as you think you are and it shows,
You've (the spurs fans) have chased multiple winners because you're impatient, the instant gratification generation encapsulated in a fan base.
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Oh do feck off
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Truth hurts eh
You, the fans, and I say this as someone that has a big soft spot for Tottenham for many years, youre so impatient for success you chase the managers who dont instantly deliver. That's fine if you're Chelsea who don't baulk at sacking managers but then back the new guy, Spurs won't do that, they need a long term plan with consistent leadership but the fans won't allow it a d Levy won't follow the Chelsea model.
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Spurs fans don't like to hear this but i think you are more or less correct.
The problem we have is that those impatient fans don't believe we will ever deliver under current ownership.
So really they are in a constant cycle of having little hope. You can only have your hopes crushed so many times!
My view is that clubs go through pretty clear cycles. All i expect and hope for is we take the next step. Under Poch we got so far, very close to the very top, but couldn't take the next step. For Ange he picked up a club in a mess, with an aging, average to poor squad. Some think the next step from that is success, it isnt IMO, there is a lot of work to be done before we can expect success. The question right now is can Ange take the nest step and that is far from certain. We have seen glimpses of how good it could be but not enough but right now, given the depleted squad, its not possible or right to judge whether he can deliver. We'll know more as the season progresses. But any manger that comes in will take on a very decent squad, that is incomplete and full of injuries and it wouldnt be right to judge them until much further down the line.
We will have to end the season well to restore faith that this can work
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This is wrong Dev. The perception we’re inpatient puts the onus on us when, in actual fact, we’re all more than prepared to play the waiting game. The truth is that most fans are disillusioned with the intentions of the board. After 20 years, we no longer believe that they want the success us fans do. We came close under Poch and whether it was a failure at board level or coaching staff, we refused to build when it mattered. So I think if you get close and don’t go the extra mile, most fans have lost faith that ENIC really want it. If someone said to me, give us five years and we’re going to build a side that can truly challenge for titles, I’d happily sit tight and wait. We just don’t believe it’ll happen because ultimately there’s a financial ceiling that prevents us from getting there. It’s got nothing to do with patience. Ange isn’t really important in this debate because frankly I’m not sure it matters who’s on the touchline. The obstacles are higher up.
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Which is why Hector's comment at the top are so right. We are not big as some of you think we are.
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Financially we are in as strong a position as most in the league, certainly Liverpool and Arsenal, yet it’s those two fighting it out for the league. This isn’t about financial muscle. It’s about financial intent.
posted on 7/1/25
More famine than feast.
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comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
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comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 45 minutes ago
Gonna be fascinating to see what we do in the window. I think the club are committed to Ange & love the idea of what he represents but at some point we all know its a results based business. Things might improve with some new players and a healthier squad but its a heck of gamble to keep committing to something that isn't delivering and a manager who steadfastly believes in "more of the same".
As much as Ange wants us all to believe he's a born winner I think the club need to see results in the top level games in the Prem. At the moment all Ange is doing is proving how weak the Scottish league is. He was outclassed playing this way when playing in the CL with Celtic and now the same thing is happening at a higher level with Spurs.
We'll see....Perhaps 2 tight & scrappy results Vs the Liverpool & Arsenal could be the turning point but it's hard to see regardless of who plays.
United got a brilliant result against Liverpool but it was built on a great defensive effort and disrupting their MF... Personally, I'm not sure Ange knows how or is even willing to try and do something similar.
Would love to try and keep it tight and stay in the tie for a long as possible and if we are still in with a shot, Give it go late in the second leg but I fear we could be 3-0 down at HT tomorrow with the tie lost before we even have a chance to win it
Only time will tell.
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I think this is very fair.
I also think that people get too triggered by Ange. If some expect him to come out and say "yeah that tactics are wrong, our approach is wrong etc" then do not hold your breath. The media and pundits are very lazy in the way they assess things. Watching the Arsenal game at the weekend, twice they played themselves into trouble at the back and conceded chances....There was no massive deal made out of it but when Spurs do it , its seen a big problem and a huge deal made out of it. 3 nil vs Utd, there was nothing wrong with how we were playing and Forster dropped 2 bollox and gave a defeated opposition huge hope.
The other thing about Ange is that he is not wildly different to most top managers. In public they will not say anything that may undermine the total belief his players must have in the system. Buying into the system is everything, if he responds to a journo saying "yeah mate, the systems flawed" then its game over. He's gonna back it publicly and i think a lot of people don't like how he does this.
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100% Right.... I don't expect Ange to come out and say he got it wrong.He doesn't need to... He's human and like everyone makes mistakes. Where he makes life difficult for himself is with some of things he says. He can come across a horribly arrogant for someone who's never managed in the Prem and frankly has a poor track record when playing in the CL. He could instruct the back for to play a little deeper, FBs to hold their position against fast break teams now and again and for the CMs not to press restlessly making us easy to play through on the break and the results would be there for all to see. Hell... Just being a bit more respectful and trying to "stay in the game" against quality opposition would be start. The Liverpool game was an utter joke considering our injuries. Anyone clinging to the positives of scoring 3 when we conceded 6 (and it should/could have been 10) it's just buying into this nonsense that winning football can be played like this. It can in school yards & in Scotland only !!!!... Years ago, Fergie said "lads it only Spurs"....Ange is currently making a great man/ winning manager look even wiser
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I think if you compare Spurs now of 12 months ago we are playing a bit deeper, our FBs are more considered in their attacks, one often holding back if the other is advanced. Certainly when Bentancur plays, there is more discipline in the DM position, better ball retention and more calm.
I suggest fans watch other teams, see where their CBs are when they're pushing the opposition back, see where their FBs are. Advanced FBs are not a new thing in the game. Liverpool were just as attacking as us when they beat us. CFC were also the same. It was toe to toe and the opposition executed much better.
If you compare to Liverpool, they have a world beater in Salah but they knock the ball long quite a bit but they do it with purpose and there are 2nd and 3rd runners immediately on the scene. It's worked on, it's planned, its deliberate. For me we seem to lack this. A long ball and players react rather than being in tune with what to expect in certain situations. My concern is that some of the details are not worked on, some of the variety and patterns of play are not there, its just adlibbed at times. This better executed variety in our play means that we are not trying to play out the whole time, teams can press us and we can bypass that if we have a planned direct approach. We are defo suffering with the lack of VDV and Romero as they are both good ballers and can break lines with passing.
The best example of out shortcomings in this respect is BJ. I never see him attacking space behind the full back, he never drops and spins. He just comes to the ball. He has pace, hes not a great dribbler but can exploit space but rarely looks to do so I do not know if thats him or the coaching but we could utilise this much better than we do. An old school long ball to Dom flicked on to BJ - nothing like this ever happens. We need to mix it up.
posted on 7/1/25
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
Forest have scored like 13 goals less than Spurs, but have 16 more points. Sure they are doing well, but by God they must be as boring as feck to watch, having only scored 29 goals in 20 games. Spurs for me all day long.
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Like many things in life.. The truth lies somewhere in the middle..... Plenty of managers have been More attacking than Nuno, Conte, Jose while being a bit more pragmatic than Ange. I think that's why Spurs fans had soft spot for Poch in his prime at Spurs.
We had attacking FBs in Walker and Rose. Plenty of attacking players in Kane, Son, Dele, Eriksen. However, we had the likes of Dembele & Dier to control the MF and CBs who despite their lack of VDV pace, knew where to hold their line to allow them the best chance to defend properly.
All the best/ winning teams have balance... Angeball in its current format doesn't.... The results speak for themselves.
Archie Gray (Young but Brilliant with huge upside) and Radu (a standout for Romania at the Euros) are fine footballers but the way we are playing is putting them in a position to fail... Thats on Ange and only he can change it.
He doesn't owe anything to the fans.. He should do it for himself coz right now he's ruining the best opportunity he's ever likely to get in the game
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posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 45 minutes ago
Gonna be fascinating to see what we do in the window. I think the club are committed to Ange & love the idea of what he represents but at some point we all know its a results based business. Things might improve with some new players and a healthier squad but its a heck of gamble to keep committing to something that isn't delivering and a manager who steadfastly believes in "more of the same".
As much as Ange wants us all to believe he's a born winner I think the club need to see results in the top level games in the Prem. At the moment all Ange is doing is proving how weak the Scottish league is. He was outclassed playing this way when playing in the CL with Celtic and now the same thing is happening at a higher level with Spurs.
We'll see....Perhaps 2 tight & scrappy results Vs the Liverpool & Arsenal could be the turning point but it's hard to see regardless of who plays.
United got a brilliant result against Liverpool but it was built on a great defensive effort and disrupting their MF... Personally, I'm not sure Ange knows how or is even willing to try and do something similar.
Would love to try and keep it tight and stay in the tie for a long as possible and if we are still in with a shot, Give it go late in the second leg but I fear we could be 3-0 down at HT tomorrow with the tie lost before we even have a chance to win it
Only time will tell.
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I think this is very fair.
I also think that people get too triggered by Ange. If some expect him to come out and say "yeah that tactics are wrong, our approach is wrong etc" then do not hold your breath. The media and pundits are very lazy in the way they assess things. Watching the Arsenal game at the weekend, twice they played themselves into trouble at the back and conceded chances....There was no massive deal made out of it but when Spurs do it , its seen a big problem and a huge deal made out of it. 3 nil vs Utd, there was nothing wrong with how we were playing and Forster dropped 2 bollox and gave a defeated opposition huge hope.
The other thing about Ange is that he is not wildly different to most top managers. In public they will not say anything that may undermine the total belief his players must have in the system. Buying into the system is everything, if he responds to a journo saying "yeah mate, the systems flawed" then its game over. He's gonna back it publicly and i think a lot of people don't like how he does this.
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100% Right.... I don't expect Ange to come out and say he got it wrong.He doesn't need to... He's human and like everyone makes mistakes. Where he makes life difficult for himself is with some of things he says. He can come across a horribly arrogant for someone who's never managed in the Prem and frankly has a poor track record when playing in the CL. He could instruct the back for to play a little deeper, FBs to hold their position against fast break teams now and again and for the CMs not to press restlessly making us easy to play through on the break and the results would be there for all to see. Hell... Just being a bit more respectful and trying to "stay in the game" against quality opposition would be start. The Liverpool game was an utter joke considering our injuries. Anyone clinging to the positives of scoring 3 when we conceded 6 (and it should/could have been 10) it's just buying into this nonsense that winning football can be played like this. It can in school yards & in Scotland only !!!!... Years ago, Fergie said "lads it only Spurs"....Ange is currently making a great man/ winning manager look even wiser
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I think if you compare Spurs now of 12 months ago we are playing a bit deeper, our FBs are more considered in their attacks, one often holding back if the other is advanced. Certainly when Bentancur plays, there is more discipline in the DM position, better ball retention and more calm.
I suggest fans watch other teams, see where their CBs are when they're pushing the opposition back, see where their FBs are. Advanced FBs are not a new thing in the game. Liverpool were just as attacking as us when they beat us. CFC were also the same. It was toe to toe and the opposition executed much better.
If you compare to Liverpool, they have a world beater in Salah but they knock the ball long quite a bit but they do it with purpose and there are 2nd and 3rd runners immediately on the scene. It's worked on, it's planned, its deliberate. For me we seem to lack this. A long ball and players react rather than being in tune with what to expect in certain situations. My concern is that some of the details are not worked on, some of the variety and patterns of play are not there, its just adlibbed at times. This better executed variety in our play means that we are not trying to play out the whole time, teams can press us and we can bypass that if we have a planned direct approach. We are defo suffering with the lack of VDV and Romero as they are both good ballers and can break lines with passing.
The best example of out shortcomings in this respect is BJ. I never see him attacking space behind the full back, he never drops and spins. He just comes to the ball. He has pace, hes not a great dribbler but can exploit space but rarely looks to do so I do not know if thats him or the coaching but we could utilise this much better than we do. An old school long ball to Dom flicked on to BJ - nothing like this ever happens. We need to mix it up.
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Its a great point about Dom. I'm not advocating being a long ball team BUT we so rarely mix it up play it long for a flick or holdup/ lay-off for Son or BJ to run past him. Kane was brilliant at it and Son more than anyone benefitted the most. I just find it bizzare that our GK spends more time with the ball being played to him than Dom does... He's criminally under-utilized and a much better footballer (when given the chance) & a bigger physical presence than I realized.
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comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're not as big a club as you think you are and it shows,
You've (the spurs fans) have chased multiple winners because you're impatient, the instant gratification generation encapsulated in a fan base.
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Oh do feck off
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Truth hurts eh
You, the fans, and I say this as someone that has a big soft spot for Tottenham for many years, youre so impatient for success you chase the managers who dont instantly deliver. That's fine if you're Chelsea who don't baulk at sacking managers but then back the new guy, Spurs won't do that, they need a long term plan with consistent leadership but the fans won't allow it a d Levy won't follow the Chelsea model.
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Spurs fans don't like to hear this but i think you are more or less correct.
The problem we have is that those impatient fans don't believe we will ever deliver under current ownership.
So really they are in a constant cycle of having little hope. You can only have your hopes crushed so many times!
My view is that clubs go through pretty clear cycles. All i expect and hope for is we take the next step. Under Poch we got so far, very close to the very top, but couldn't take the next step. For Ange he picked up a club in a mess, with an aging, average to poor squad. Some think the next step from that is success, it isnt IMO, there is a lot of work to be done before we can expect success. The question right now is can Ange take the nest step and that is far from certain. We have seen glimpses of how good it could be but not enough but right now, given the depleted squad, its not possible or right to judge whether he can deliver. We'll know more as the season progresses. But any manger that comes in will take on a very decent squad, that is incomplete and full of injuries and it wouldnt be right to judge them until much further down the line.
We will have to end the season well to restore faith that this can work
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This is wrong Dev. The perception we’re inpatient puts the onus on us when, in actual fact, we’re all more than prepared to play the waiting game. The truth is that most fans are disillusioned with the intentions of the board. After 20 years, we no longer believe that they want the success us fans do. We came close under Poch and whether it was a failure at board level or coaching staff, we refused to build when it mattered. So I think if you get close and don’t go the extra mile, most fans have lost faith that ENIC really want it. If someone said to me, give us five years and we’re going to build a side that can truly challenge for titles, I’d happily sit tight and wait. We just don’t believe it’ll happen because ultimately there’s a financial ceiling that prevents us from getting there. It’s got nothing to do with patience. Ange isn’t really important in this debate because frankly I’m not sure it matters who’s on the touchline. The obstacles are higher up.
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Which is why Hector's comment at the top are so right. We are not big as some of you think we are.
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Financially we are in as strong a position as most in the league, certainly Liverpool and Arsenal, yet it’s those two fighting it out for the league. This isn’t about financial muscle. It’s about financial intent.
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I find it odd that the owners have done amazingly to grow our spending power from spending about £50 - 80m a year to £100- £150m a year and are then criticized for not spending even more.
Most clubs work with what they have and our owners have put us into a position of having an awful lot and more than most. But there are rules, rules which Spurs have been one of the biggest voices in ensuring they are enforced. If we blew our load and found ourselves in Everton's position or even United position of needing to spend more but not being able to, fans would be equally critical.
We have huge spending power and what i am concerned with is what we do with that substantial sum....not stamping my feet expecting the owners to make that massive sum even bigger.
If we cannot build a quality squad with £0.5bn over 3 summers then be critical of who we have spent the money on, not how much.
posted on 7/1/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're not as big a club as you think you are and it shows,
You've (the spurs fans) have chased multiple winners because you're impatient, the instant gratification generation encapsulated in a fan base.
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Oh do feck off
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Truth hurts eh
You, the fans, and I say this as someone that has a big soft spot for Tottenham for many years, youre so impatient for success you chase the managers who dont instantly deliver. That's fine if you're Chelsea who don't baulk at sacking managers but then back the new guy, Spurs won't do that, they need a long term plan with consistent leadership but the fans won't allow it a d Levy won't follow the Chelsea model.
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Spurs fans don't like to hear this but i think you are more or less correct.
The problem we have is that those impatient fans don't believe we will ever deliver under current ownership.
So really they are in a constant cycle of having little hope. You can only have your hopes crushed so many times!
My view is that clubs go through pretty clear cycles. All i expect and hope for is we take the next step. Under Poch we got so far, very close to the very top, but couldn't take the next step. For Ange he picked up a club in a mess, with an aging, average to poor squad. Some think the next step from that is success, it isnt IMO, there is a lot of work to be done before we can expect success. The question right now is can Ange take the nest step and that is far from certain. We have seen glimpses of how good it could be but not enough but right now, given the depleted squad, its not possible or right to judge whether he can deliver. We'll know more as the season progresses. But any manger that comes in will take on a very decent squad, that is incomplete and full of injuries and it wouldnt be right to judge them until much further down the line.
We will have to end the season well to restore faith that this can work
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This is wrong Dev. The perception we’re inpatient puts the onus on us when, in actual fact, we’re all more than prepared to play the waiting game. The truth is that most fans are disillusioned with the intentions of the board. After 20 years, we no longer believe that they want the success us fans do. We came close under Poch and whether it was a failure at board level or coaching staff, we refused to build when it mattered. So I think if you get close and don’t go the extra mile, most fans have lost faith that ENIC really want it. If someone said to me, give us five years and we’re going to build a side that can truly challenge for titles, I’d happily sit tight and wait. We just don’t believe it’ll happen because ultimately there’s a financial ceiling that prevents us from getting there. It’s got nothing to do with patience. Ange isn’t really important in this debate because frankly I’m not sure it matters who’s on the touchline. The obstacles are higher up.
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Which is why Hector's comment at the top are so right. We are not big as some of you think we are.
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Financially we are in as strong a position as most in the league, certainly Liverpool and Arsenal, yet it’s those two fighting it out for the league. This isn’t about financial muscle. It’s about financial intent.
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I find it odd that the owners have done amazingly to grow our spending power from spending about £50 - 80m a year to £100- £150m a year and are then criticized for not spending even more.
Most clubs work with what they have and our owners have put us into a position of having an awful lot and more than most. But there are rules, rules which Spurs have been one of the biggest voices in ensuring they are enforced. If we blew our load and found ourselves in Everton's position or even United position of needing to spend more but not being able to, fans would be equally critical.
We have huge spending power and what i am concerned with is what we do with that substantial sum....not stamping my feet expecting the owners to make that massive sum even bigger.
If we cannot build a quality squad with £0.5bn over 3 summers then be critical of who we have spent the money on, not how much.
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Ive dialed back my criticism of Levy.. I don't think Spurs fans can complain about what's been spent on the squad in the past few years. Sure, I never liked the Richie signing and Werner is a horrible player BUT I think this Spurs squad, managed properly with some smart tactics, putting players in positions to succeed is top 6 in the PL... Its up to Ange to use it properly and to maximize its strengths. I think he's doing a poor job of managing what he has.
Sometimes you can't drive a BMW like a Ferrari.. More often than not a BMW is perfectly good enough anyway
posted on 7/1/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're not as big a club as you think you are and it shows,
You've (the spurs fans) have chased multiple winners because you're impatient, the instant gratification generation encapsulated in a fan base.
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Oh do feck off
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Truth hurts eh
You, the fans, and I say this as someone that has a big soft spot for Tottenham for many years, youre so impatient for success you chase the managers who dont instantly deliver. That's fine if you're Chelsea who don't baulk at sacking managers but then back the new guy, Spurs won't do that, they need a long term plan with consistent leadership but the fans won't allow it a d Levy won't follow the Chelsea model.
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Spurs fans don't like to hear this but i think you are more or less correct.
The problem we have is that those impatient fans don't believe we will ever deliver under current ownership.
So really they are in a constant cycle of having little hope. You can only have your hopes crushed so many times!
My view is that clubs go through pretty clear cycles. All i expect and hope for is we take the next step. Under Poch we got so far, very close to the very top, but couldn't take the next step. For Ange he picked up a club in a mess, with an aging, average to poor squad. Some think the next step from that is success, it isnt IMO, there is a lot of work to be done before we can expect success. The question right now is can Ange take the nest step and that is far from certain. We have seen glimpses of how good it could be but not enough but right now, given the depleted squad, its not possible or right to judge whether he can deliver. We'll know more as the season progresses. But any manger that comes in will take on a very decent squad, that is incomplete and full of injuries and it wouldnt be right to judge them until much further down the line.
We will have to end the season well to restore faith that this can work
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You really take the michael.
30yrs I've supported Tottenham and I've seen ONE LEAGUE cup.
30yrs and I'm impatient and entitled, and only you are a real fan.
What a moron!
posted on 7/1/25
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're not as big a club as you think you are and it shows,
You've (the spurs fans) have chased multiple winners because you're impatient, the instant gratification generation encapsulated in a fan base.
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Oh do feck off
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Truth hurts eh
You, the fans, and I say this as someone that has a big soft spot for Tottenham for many years, youre so impatient for success you chase the managers who dont instantly deliver. That's fine if you're Chelsea who don't baulk at sacking managers but then back the new guy, Spurs won't do that, they need a long term plan with consistent leadership but the fans won't allow it a d Levy won't follow the Chelsea model.
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Spurs fans don't like to hear this but i think you are more or less correct.
The problem we have is that those impatient fans don't believe we will ever deliver under current ownership.
So really they are in a constant cycle of having little hope. You can only have your hopes crushed so many times!
My view is that clubs go through pretty clear cycles. All i expect and hope for is we take the next step. Under Poch we got so far, very close to the very top, but couldn't take the next step. For Ange he picked up a club in a mess, with an aging, average to poor squad. Some think the next step from that is success, it isnt IMO, there is a lot of work to be done before we can expect success. The question right now is can Ange take the nest step and that is far from certain. We have seen glimpses of how good it could be but not enough but right now, given the depleted squad, its not possible or right to judge whether he can deliver. We'll know more as the season progresses. But any manger that comes in will take on a very decent squad, that is incomplete and full of injuries and it wouldnt be right to judge them until much further down the line.
We will have to end the season well to restore faith that this can work
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You really take the michael.
30yrs I've supported Tottenham and I've seen ONE LEAGUE cup.
30yrs and I'm impatient and entitled, and only you are a real fan.
What a moron!
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& Just when I thought this actually seemed like a decent, friendly debate
posted on 7/1/25
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're not as big a club as you think you are and it shows,
You've (the spurs fans) have chased multiple winners because you're impatient, the instant gratification generation encapsulated in a fan base.
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Oh do feck off
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Truth hurts eh
You, the fans, and I say this as someone that has a big soft spot for Tottenham for many years, youre so impatient for success you chase the managers who dont instantly deliver. That's fine if you're Chelsea who don't baulk at sacking managers but then back the new guy, Spurs won't do that, they need a long term plan with consistent leadership but the fans won't allow it a d Levy won't follow the Chelsea model.
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Spurs fans don't like to hear this but i think you are more or less correct.
The problem we have is that those impatient fans don't believe we will ever deliver under current ownership.
So really they are in a constant cycle of having little hope. You can only have your hopes crushed so many times!
My view is that clubs go through pretty clear cycles. All i expect and hope for is we take the next step. Under Poch we got so far, very close to the very top, but couldn't take the next step. For Ange he picked up a club in a mess, with an aging, average to poor squad. Some think the next step from that is success, it isnt IMO, there is a lot of work to be done before we can expect success. The question right now is can Ange take the nest step and that is far from certain. We have seen glimpses of how good it could be but not enough but right now, given the depleted squad, its not possible or right to judge whether he can deliver. We'll know more as the season progresses. But any manger that comes in will take on a very decent squad, that is incomplete and full of injuries and it wouldnt be right to judge them until much further down the line.
We will have to end the season well to restore faith that this can work
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You really take the michael.
30yrs I've supported Tottenham and I've seen ONE LEAGUE cup.
30yrs and I'm impatient and entitled, and only you are a real fan.
What a moron!
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Unlucky mate, but you could support 95 per cent of the football pyramid and seen your club win nothing in 30 years. Or worse still imagine supporting the likes of Fulham, Bournemouth and never seen your club win anything. You don't hear their supporters moaning 24/7.
I am lucky seen Spurs win 14 trophies. Obviously want to see more, but if I don't it won't make any difference to my support of Spurs. I will be there with them until the end.
posted on 7/1/25
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're not as big a club as you think you are and it shows,
You've (the spurs fans) have chased multiple winners because you're impatient, the instant gratification generation encapsulated in a fan base.
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Oh do feck off
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Truth hurts eh
You, the fans, and I say this as someone that has a big soft spot for Tottenham for many years, youre so impatient for success you chase the managers who dont instantly deliver. That's fine if you're Chelsea who don't baulk at sacking managers but then back the new guy, Spurs won't do that, they need a long term plan with consistent leadership but the fans won't allow it a d Levy won't follow the Chelsea model.
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Spurs fans don't like to hear this but i think you are more or less correct.
The problem we have is that those impatient fans don't believe we will ever deliver under current ownership.
So really they are in a constant cycle of having little hope. You can only have your hopes crushed so many times!
My view is that clubs go through pretty clear cycles. All i expect and hope for is we take the next step. Under Poch we got so far, very close to the very top, but couldn't take the next step. For Ange he picked up a club in a mess, with an aging, average to poor squad. Some think the next step from that is success, it isnt IMO, there is a lot of work to be done before we can expect success. The question right now is can Ange take the nest step and that is far from certain. We have seen glimpses of how good it could be but not enough but right now, given the depleted squad, its not possible or right to judge whether he can deliver. We'll know more as the season progresses. But any manger that comes in will take on a very decent squad, that is incomplete and full of injuries and it wouldnt be right to judge them until much further down the line.
We will have to end the season well to restore faith that this can work
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You really take the michael.
30yrs I've supported Tottenham and I've seen ONE LEAGUE cup.
30yrs and I'm impatient and entitled, and only you are a real fan.
What a moron!
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WHat i mean is that we are all impatient for success.....but take our situation now, Ange picked us up when we were a mess. It doesnt matter jhow impatient we are NO ONE walks in and turns around that mess in 18 months.
Veryt few managers walk into any team and bring immediate success.
We need to be patient with Ange because he hasnt been there that long and is over seeing a big change. The previous 28 years are nothing to do with him or most of the players that are now in our squad. If he fails, so be it, he goes. I just think its too early to judge and some patience (the rest of this season as a minimum) is needed. Its been poor so far but you don't know what the rest will yield.
posted on 7/1/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're not as big a club as you think you are and it shows,
You've (the spurs fans) have chased multiple winners because you're impatient, the instant gratification generation encapsulated in a fan base.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh do feck off
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Truth hurts eh
You, the fans, and I say this as someone that has a big soft spot for Tottenham for many years, youre so impatient for success you chase the managers who dont instantly deliver. That's fine if you're Chelsea who don't baulk at sacking managers but then back the new guy, Spurs won't do that, they need a long term plan with consistent leadership but the fans won't allow it a d Levy won't follow the Chelsea model.
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Spurs fans don't like to hear this but i think you are more or less correct.
The problem we have is that those impatient fans don't believe we will ever deliver under current ownership.
So really they are in a constant cycle of having little hope. You can only have your hopes crushed so many times!
My view is that clubs go through pretty clear cycles. All i expect and hope for is we take the next step. Under Poch we got so far, very close to the very top, but couldn't take the next step. For Ange he picked up a club in a mess, with an aging, average to poor squad. Some think the next step from that is success, it isnt IMO, there is a lot of work to be done before we can expect success. The question right now is can Ange take the nest step and that is far from certain. We have seen glimpses of how good it could be but not enough but right now, given the depleted squad, its not possible or right to judge whether he can deliver. We'll know more as the season progresses. But any manger that comes in will take on a very decent squad, that is incomplete and full of injuries and it wouldnt be right to judge them until much further down the line.
We will have to end the season well to restore faith that this can work
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You really take the michael.
30yrs I've supported Tottenham and I've seen ONE LEAGUE cup.
30yrs and I'm impatient and entitled, and only you are a real fan.
What a moron!
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WHat i mean is that we are all impatient for success.....but take our situation now, Ange picked us up when we were a mess. It doesnt matter jhow impatient we are NO ONE walks in and turns around that mess in 18 months.
Veryt few managers walk into any team and bring immediate success.
We need to be patient with Ange because he hasnt been there that long and is over seeing a big change. The previous 28 years are nothing to do with him or most of the players that are now in our squad. If he fails, so be it, he goes. I just think its too early to judge and some patience (the rest of this season as a minimum) is needed. Its been poor so far but you don't know what the rest will yield.
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Ok if it wasn't clear before let me clear it up, I DON'T want Ange to be sacked.
But I DO want him backed properly and with quality now and not always kids for the future otherwise the guy is hamstrung from the off.
Its is clear he has a specific way of playing which is spectacular and a joy to watch, but at the same time Ange has to show that he can adapt to situations (going 2-0 up and stifling things for 5-10 mins).
I am not seeing that kind of game intelligence sorry.
Also surely we are allowed to criticise the manager without being called maniacs?
Rant over.
posted on 7/1/25
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're not as big a club as you think you are and it shows,
You've (the spurs fans) have chased multiple winners because you're impatient, the instant gratification generation encapsulated in a fan base.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh do feck off
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Truth hurts eh
You, the fans, and I say this as someone that has a big soft spot for Tottenham for many years, youre so impatient for success you chase the managers who dont instantly deliver. That's fine if you're Chelsea who don't baulk at sacking managers but then back the new guy, Spurs won't do that, they need a long term plan with consistent leadership but the fans won't allow it a d Levy won't follow the Chelsea model.
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Spurs fans don't like to hear this but i think you are more or less correct.
The problem we have is that those impatient fans don't believe we will ever deliver under current ownership.
So really they are in a constant cycle of having little hope. You can only have your hopes crushed so many times!
My view is that clubs go through pretty clear cycles. All i expect and hope for is we take the next step. Under Poch we got so far, very close to the very top, but couldn't take the next step. For Ange he picked up a club in a mess, with an aging, average to poor squad. Some think the next step from that is success, it isnt IMO, there is a lot of work to be done before we can expect success. The question right now is can Ange take the nest step and that is far from certain. We have seen glimpses of how good it could be but not enough but right now, given the depleted squad, its not possible or right to judge whether he can deliver. We'll know more as the season progresses. But any manger that comes in will take on a very decent squad, that is incomplete and full of injuries and it wouldnt be right to judge them until much further down the line.
We will have to end the season well to restore faith that this can work
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You really take the michael.
30yrs I've supported Tottenham and I've seen ONE LEAGUE cup.
30yrs and I'm impatient and entitled, and only you are a real fan.
What a moron!
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Unlucky mate, but you could support 95 per cent of the football pyramid and seen your club win nothing in 30 years. Or worse still imagine supporting the likes of Fulham, Bournemouth and never seen your club win anything. You don't hear their supporters moaning 24/7.
I am lucky seen Spurs win 14 trophies. Obviously want to see more, but if I don't it won't make any difference to my support of Spurs. I will be there with them until the end.
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But we are not Fulham or Bournemouth etc.
Ok we are not successful as Liverpool or Man U BUT we are one of the historical and legacy teams in England.
Always been a big club and massive support which you can back up as you have seen "glory years".
So we definitely should have seen more than 1 LEAGUE cup not even FA cup or European cup under ENICs tenure.
posted on 7/1/25
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 3 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're not as big a club as you think you are and it shows,
You've (the spurs fans) have chased multiple winners because you're impatient, the instant gratification generation encapsulated in a fan base.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh do feck off
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Truth hurts eh
You, the fans, and I say this as someone that has a big soft spot for Tottenham for many years, youre so impatient for success you chase the managers who dont instantly deliver. That's fine if you're Chelsea who don't baulk at sacking managers but then back the new guy, Spurs won't do that, they need a long term plan with consistent leadership but the fans won't allow it a d Levy won't follow the Chelsea model.
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Spurs fans don't like to hear this but i think you are more or less correct.
The problem we have is that those impatient fans don't believe we will ever deliver under current ownership.
So really they are in a constant cycle of having little hope. You can only have your hopes crushed so many times!
My view is that clubs go through pretty clear cycles. All i expect and hope for is we take the next step. Under Poch we got so far, very close to the very top, but couldn't take the next step. For Ange he picked up a club in a mess, with an aging, average to poor squad. Some think the next step from that is success, it isnt IMO, there is a lot of work to be done before we can expect success. The question right now is can Ange take the nest step and that is far from certain. We have seen glimpses of how good it could be but not enough but right now, given the depleted squad, its not possible or right to judge whether he can deliver. We'll know more as the season progresses. But any manger that comes in will take on a very decent squad, that is incomplete and full of injuries and it wouldnt be right to judge them until much further down the line.
We will have to end the season well to restore faith that this can work
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This is wrong Dev. The perception we’re inpatient puts the onus on us when, in actual fact, we’re all more than prepared to play the waiting game. The truth is that most fans are disillusioned with the intentions of the board. After 20 years, we no longer believe that they want the success us fans do. We came close under Poch and whether it was a failure at board level or coaching staff, we refused to build when it mattered. So I think if you get close and don’t go the extra mile, most fans have lost faith that ENIC really want it. If someone said to me, give us five years and we’re going to build a side that can truly challenge for titles, I’d happily sit tight and wait. We just don’t believe it’ll happen because ultimately there’s a financial ceiling that prevents us from getting there. It’s got nothing to do with patience. Ange isn’t really important in this debate because frankly I’m not sure it matters who’s on the touchline. The obstacles are higher up.
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Which is why Hector's comment at the top are so right. We are not big as some of you think we are.
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Financially we are in as strong a position as most in the league, certainly Liverpool and Arsenal, yet it’s those two fighting it out for the league. This isn’t about financial muscle. It’s about financial intent.
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I find it odd that the owners have done amazingly to grow our spending power from spending about £50 - 80m a year to £100- £150m a year and are then criticized for not spending even more.
Most clubs work with what they have and our owners have put us into a position of having an awful lot and more than most. But there are rules, rules which Spurs have been one of the biggest voices in ensuring they are enforced. If we blew our load and found ourselves in Everton's position or even United position of needing to spend more but not being able to, fans would be equally critical.
We have huge spending power and what i am concerned with is what we do with that substantial sum....not stamping my feet expecting the owners to make that massive sum even bigger.
If we cannot build a quality squad with £0.5bn over 3 summers then be critical of who we have spent the money on, not how much.
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Ive dialed back my criticism of Levy.. I don't think Spurs fans can complain about what's been spent on the squad in the past few years. Sure, I never liked the Richie signing and Werner is a horrible player BUT I think this Spurs squad, managed properly with some smart tactics, putting players in positions to succeed is top 6 in the PL... Its up to Ange to use it properly and to maximize its strengths. I think he's doing a poor job of managing what he has.
Sometimes you can't drive a BMW like a Ferrari.. More often than not a BMW is perfectly good enough anyway
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You can't deny the money spent on fees but focus your attention on the ever decreasing wage bill for a sign of Levy's intentions. That's where the difference lies between us and the elite because elite players want big money. If you take that knowledge and consider that ticket sales puts us level with United and by far and away clearer than any other club it suggests we're spending below our weight. Don't be under any illusions about how much financial muscle we have.
Dev makes some good points. We have spent badly in the past but that's not a reason to avoid going big again. We can't let Ndombele be the marker for high value players and therefore believe that buying cheap is always the answer. I get that we've been stung but there's just something so cautious about our approach. In many ways PSR has given Levy the perfect excuse to operate cautiously. He's not doing it because of the rules. He's doing it because he's inherently thrifty. The word is that Spurs are the club putting most pressure on the PL to punish City. If that fails and City get a lenient punishment, then what? What happens when he can no longer lean against PSR to justify his approach? We've already seen how flexible clubs can be to get around PSR. Just look at how much Chelsea have spent and they're no longer in any trouble. How the feck is that possible? There are ways and means to spend more, largely on wages, but we don't do it. I know Dev will likely come back at me now and say that it's because we're early in the rebuild so naturally wages are always lower at the start but it's yet another rebuild. How much faith are we going to have that this build will even be finalised? None of the others ever were.
posted on 7/1/25
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
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comment by Hezzman (U21558)
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comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
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comment by Hector (U3606)
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comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're not as big a club as you think you are and it shows,
You've (the spurs fans) have chased multiple winners because you're impatient, the instant gratification generation encapsulated in a fan base.
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Oh do feck off
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Truth hurts eh
You, the fans, and I say this as someone that has a big soft spot for Tottenham for many years, youre so impatient for success you chase the managers who dont instantly deliver. That's fine if you're Chelsea who don't baulk at sacking managers but then back the new guy, Spurs won't do that, they need a long term plan with consistent leadership but the fans won't allow it a d Levy won't follow the Chelsea model.
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Spurs fans don't like to hear this but i think you are more or less correct.
The problem we have is that those impatient fans don't believe we will ever deliver under current ownership.
So really they are in a constant cycle of having little hope. You can only have your hopes crushed so many times!
My view is that clubs go through pretty clear cycles. All i expect and hope for is we take the next step. Under Poch we got so far, very close to the very top, but couldn't take the next step. For Ange he picked up a club in a mess, with an aging, average to poor squad. Some think the next step from that is success, it isnt IMO, there is a lot of work to be done before we can expect success. The question right now is can Ange take the nest step and that is far from certain. We have seen glimpses of how good it could be but not enough but right now, given the depleted squad, its not possible or right to judge whether he can deliver. We'll know more as the season progresses. But any manger that comes in will take on a very decent squad, that is incomplete and full of injuries and it wouldnt be right to judge them until much further down the line.
We will have to end the season well to restore faith that this can work
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You really take the michael.
30yrs I've supported Tottenham and I've seen ONE LEAGUE cup.
30yrs and I'm impatient and entitled, and only you are a real fan.
What a moron!
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WHat i mean is that we are all impatient for success.....but take our situation now, Ange picked us up when we were a mess. It doesnt matter jhow impatient we are NO ONE walks in and turns around that mess in 18 months.
Veryt few managers walk into any team and bring immediate success.
We need to be patient with Ange because he hasnt been there that long and is over seeing a big change. The previous 28 years are nothing to do with him or most of the players that are now in our squad. If he fails, so be it, he goes. I just think its too early to judge and some patience (the rest of this season as a minimum) is needed. Its been poor so far but you don't know what the rest will yield.
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Ok if it wasn't clear before let me clear it up, I DON'T want Ange to be sacked.
But I DO want him backed properly and with quality now and not always kids for the future otherwise the guy is hamstrung from the off.
Its is clear he has a specific way of playing which is spectacular and a joy to watch, but at the same time Ange has to show that he can adapt to situations (going 2-0 up and stifling things for 5-10 mins).
I am not seeing that kind of game intelligence sorry.
Also surely we are allowed to criticise the manager without being called maniacs?
Rant over.
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Good points. To add to this, if you're always planning for the future, then players entering their primes now grow impatient. Just look at Romero. He's not going to want to sit tight and wait for Gray and Bergvall to become world beaters. He'll want out before then. Then the cycle restarts and you need to plug that gap. The biggest problem I have with the way Levy operates is that the speed of the rebuild is far too long. It's flawed because you never end up with the finished article. It's like painting the Forth Bridge. The moment you finish, the start already needs repainting.
Then there's Ange's tactics. I've flip-flopped about Ange. Ultimately I don't want him to go but equally he does play a brand of football that requires top players, just as Pep does. Is he ever going to get that at Spurs? In Jose and Conte we had ill-fitting chequebook managers. Is Ange the same without even him realising it? You don't have to spend big to play that brand of football in Australia, Japan and Scotland but in the greatest league of all, to play that way, I kind of think you do.
posted on 7/1/25
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 4 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're not as big a club as you think you are and it shows,
You've (the spurs fans) have chased multiple winners because you're impatient, the instant gratification generation encapsulated in a fan base.
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Oh do feck off
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Truth hurts eh
You, the fans, and I say this as someone that has a big soft spot for Tottenham for many years, youre so impatient for success you chase the managers who dont instantly deliver. That's fine if you're Chelsea who don't baulk at sacking managers but then back the new guy, Spurs won't do that, they need a long term plan with consistent leadership but the fans won't allow it a d Levy won't follow the Chelsea model.
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Spurs fans don't like to hear this but i think you are more or less correct.
The problem we have is that those impatient fans don't believe we will ever deliver under current ownership.
So really they are in a constant cycle of having little hope. You can only have your hopes crushed so many times!
My view is that clubs go through pretty clear cycles. All i expect and hope for is we take the next step. Under Poch we got so far, very close to the very top, but couldn't take the next step. For Ange he picked up a club in a mess, with an aging, average to poor squad. Some think the next step from that is success, it isnt IMO, there is a lot of work to be done before we can expect success. The question right now is can Ange take the nest step and that is far from certain. We have seen glimpses of how good it could be but not enough but right now, given the depleted squad, its not possible or right to judge whether he can deliver. We'll know more as the season progresses. But any manger that comes in will take on a very decent squad, that is incomplete and full of injuries and it wouldnt be right to judge them until much further down the line.
We will have to end the season well to restore faith that this can work
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This is wrong Dev. The perception we’re inpatient puts the onus on us when, in actual fact, we’re all more than prepared to play the waiting game. The truth is that most fans are disillusioned with the intentions of the board. After 20 years, we no longer believe that they want the success us fans do. We came close under Poch and whether it was a failure at board level or coaching staff, we refused to build when it mattered. So I think if you get close and don’t go the extra mile, most fans have lost faith that ENIC really want it. If someone said to me, give us five years and we’re going to build a side that can truly challenge for titles, I’d happily sit tight and wait. We just don’t believe it’ll happen because ultimately there’s a financial ceiling that prevents us from getting there. It’s got nothing to do with patience. Ange isn’t really important in this debate because frankly I’m not sure it matters who’s on the touchline. The obstacles are higher up.
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Which is why Hector's comment at the top are so right. We are not big as some of you think we are.
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Financially we are in as strong a position as most in the league, certainly Liverpool and Arsenal, yet it’s those two fighting it out for the league. This isn’t about financial muscle. It’s about financial intent.
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Agree in terms of wages and transfer fees but we are only in a strong financial position due to our low wages to turnover ratio, which is one of the best in the league.
The moment we start increasing our wages our profits will go down, as our will our muscle. Selling players for good money will help but we will more than likely spend any income from outgoings back into the squad. Naming rights would also help as well as concerts ect ect.
We need to build a capable squad first imo (2.7 windows...) before we can begin to start increasing wages, which will then have impact on our transfer spend. Hopefully, once the squad is set, we only need to add one or two players a window as well as selling the deadwood to balance the books.
That's my take anyway..
posted on 7/1/25
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 3 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're not as big a club as you think you are and it shows,
You've (the spurs fans) have chased multiple winners because you're impatient, the instant gratification generation encapsulated in a fan base.
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Oh do feck off
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Truth hurts eh
You, the fans, and I say this as someone that has a big soft spot for Tottenham for many years, youre so impatient for success you chase the managers who dont instantly deliver. That's fine if you're Chelsea who don't baulk at sacking managers but then back the new guy, Spurs won't do that, they need a long term plan with consistent leadership but the fans won't allow it a d Levy won't follow the Chelsea model.
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Spurs fans don't like to hear this but i think you are more or less correct.
The problem we have is that those impatient fans don't believe we will ever deliver under current ownership.
So really they are in a constant cycle of having little hope. You can only have your hopes crushed so many times!
My view is that clubs go through pretty clear cycles. All i expect and hope for is we take the next step. Under Poch we got so far, very close to the very top, but couldn't take the next step. For Ange he picked up a club in a mess, with an aging, average to poor squad. Some think the next step from that is success, it isnt IMO, there is a lot of work to be done before we can expect success. The question right now is can Ange take the nest step and that is far from certain. We have seen glimpses of how good it could be but not enough but right now, given the depleted squad, its not possible or right to judge whether he can deliver. We'll know more as the season progresses. But any manger that comes in will take on a very decent squad, that is incomplete and full of injuries and it wouldnt be right to judge them until much further down the line.
We will have to end the season well to restore faith that this can work
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You really take the michael.
30yrs I've supported Tottenham and I've seen ONE LEAGUE cup.
30yrs and I'm impatient and entitled, and only you are a real fan.
What a moron!
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Unlucky mate, but you could support 95 per cent of the football pyramid and seen your club win nothing in 30 years. Or worse still imagine supporting the likes of Fulham, Bournemouth and never seen your club win anything. You don't hear their supporters moaning 24/7.
I am lucky seen Spurs win 14 trophies. Obviously want to see more, but if I don't it won't make any difference to my support of Spurs. I will be there with them until the end.
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But we are not Fulham or Bournemouth etc.
Ok we are not successful as Liverpool or Man U BUT we are one of the historical and legacy teams in England.
Always been a big club and massive support which you can back up as you have seen "glory years".
So we definitely should have seen more than 1 LEAGUE cup not even FA cup or European cup under ENICs tenure.
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Well historically so are Newcastle. They haven't won a domestic trophy since 1955. That's 70 years. Don't hear their fans moaning either.
posted on 7/1/25
Any chance you guys can copy and paste the bits you want to reply to? 😂
I like reading this stuff but scrolling down constantly is doing my head in
posted on 7/1/25
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posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
Any chance you guys can copy and paste the bits you want to reply to? 😂
I like reading this stuff but scrolling down constantly is doing my head in
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posted on 7/1/25
After 20 games, the only thing that matters are the WDL. I don’t care if we win every game 1 nil and we have our record low goals scored for an entire season. Nor do I care how many goals we’ve scored and conceded last season. The focus is on the here and now and the reality is, we’ve played 20 games and only won 7. If you really want to compare, simply consider this: This season we are simply worst than what we were last season. That’s all we need to know.
posted on 8/1/25
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 6 hours, 37 minutes ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
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comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're not as big a club as you think you are and it shows,
You've (the spurs fans) have chased multiple winners because you're impatient, the instant gratification generation encapsulated in a fan base.
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Oh do feck off
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Truth hurts eh
You, the fans, and I say this as someone that has a big soft spot for Tottenham for many years, youre so impatient for success you chase the managers who dont instantly deliver. That's fine if you're Chelsea who don't baulk at sacking managers but then back the new guy, Spurs won't do that, they need a long term plan with consistent leadership but the fans won't allow it a d Levy won't follow the Chelsea model.
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Spurs fans don't like to hear this but i think you are more or less correct.
The problem we have is that those impatient fans don't believe we will ever deliver under current ownership.
So really they are in a constant cycle of having little hope. You can only have your hopes crushed so many times!
My view is that clubs go through pretty clear cycles. All i expect and hope for is we take the next step. Under Poch we got so far, very close to the very top, but couldn't take the next step. For Ange he picked up a club in a mess, with an aging, average to poor squad. Some think the next step from that is success, it isnt IMO, there is a lot of work to be done before we can expect success. The question right now is can Ange take the nest step and that is far from certain. We have seen glimpses of how good it could be but not enough but right now, given the depleted squad, its not possible or right to judge whether he can deliver. We'll know more as the season progresses. But any manger that comes in will take on a very decent squad, that is incomplete and full of injuries and it wouldnt be right to judge them until much further down the line.
We will have to end the season well to restore faith that this can work
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This is wrong Dev. The perception we’re inpatient puts the onus on us when, in actual fact, we’re all more than prepared to play the waiting game. The truth is that most fans are disillusioned with the intentions of the board. After 20 years, we no longer believe that they want the success us fans do. We came close under Poch and whether it was a failure at board level or coaching staff, we refused to build when it mattered. So I think if you get close and don’t go the extra mile, most fans have lost faith that ENIC really want it. If someone said to me, give us five years and we’re going to build a side that can truly challenge for titles, I’d happily sit tight and wait. We just don’t believe it’ll happen because ultimately there’s a financial ceiling that prevents us from getting there. It’s got nothing to do with patience. Ange isn’t really important in this debate because frankly I’m not sure it matters who’s on the touchline. The obstacles are higher up.
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Which is why Hector's comment at the top are so right. We are not big as some of you think we are.
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Financially we are in as strong a position as most in the league, certainly Liverpool and Arsenal, yet it’s those two fighting it out for the league. This isn’t about financial muscle. It’s about financial intent.
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I find it odd that the owners have done amazingly to grow our spending power from spending about £50 - 80m a year to £100- £150m a year and are then criticized for not spending even more.
Most clubs work with what they have and our owners have put us into a position of having an awful lot and more than most. But there are rules, rules which Spurs have been one of the biggest voices in ensuring they are enforced. If we blew our load and found ourselves in Everton's position or even United position of needing to spend more but not being able to, fans would be equally critical.
We have huge spending power and what i am concerned with is what we do with that substantial sum....not stamping my feet expecting the owners to make that massive sum even bigger.
If we cannot build a quality squad with £0.5bn over 3 summers then be critical of who we have spent the money on, not how much.
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Ive dialed back my criticism of Levy.. I don't think Spurs fans can complain about what's been spent on the squad in the past few years. Sure, I never liked the Richie signing and Werner is a horrible player BUT I think this Spurs squad, managed properly with some smart tactics, putting players in positions to succeed is top 6 in the PL... Its up to Ange to use it properly and to maximize its strengths. I think he's doing a poor job of managing what he has.
Sometimes you can't drive a BMW like a Ferrari.. More often than not a BMW is perfectly good enough anyway
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You can't deny the money spent on fees but focus your attention on the ever decreasing wage bill for a sign of Levy's intentions. That's where the difference lies between us and the elite because elite players want big money. If you take that knowledge and consider that ticket sales puts us level with United and by far and away clearer than any other club it suggests we're spending below our weight. Don't be under any illusions about how much financial muscle we have.
Dev makes some good points. We have spent badly in the past but that's not a reason to avoid going big again. We can't let Ndombele be the marker for high value players and therefore believe that buying cheap is always the answer. I get that we've been stung but there's just something so cautious about our approach. In many ways PSR has given Levy the perfect excuse to operate cautiously. He's not doing it because of the rules. He's doing it because he's inherently thrifty. The word is that Spurs are the club putting most pressure on the PL to punish City. If that fails and City get a lenient punishment, then what? What happens when he can no longer lean against PSR to justify his approach? We've already seen how flexible clubs can be to get around PSR. Just look at how much Chelsea have spent and they're no longer in any trouble. How the feck is that possible? There are ways and means to spend more, largely on wages, but we don't do it. I know Dev will likely come back at me now and say that it's because we're early in the rebuild so naturally wages are always lower at the start but it's yet another rebuild. How much faith are we going to have that this build will even be finalised? None of the others ever were.
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The obsession with the wage bill is a red herring.
Wr are shifting old experience pros, Lloris Dier Kane etc and other like Sanchez and PEH and bringing fresh new talent.
Give me VDV on 50k a week over Dier on +100k any day of the week. Same for Spence vs Emerson. Same for Sarr over Hojberg, Vic vs Lloris, Udogie vs Perisic.
This idea that we are systematically trimming the wage bill as a cost saving exercise is wrong. It is a consequence of the rebuild process the squad is going through, not the driving force.
I can think of few if any examples of Spurs failing to get deals over wages, except things like Toney who we would no way pay 250k a week. Jeez, give me Bergvall on peanuts over Ndombele of 200k.
posted on 8/1/25
"Compared to last season, after 20 games, we have scored the same number of goals (42) let in 1 more (30 vs 29) but have 15 less points "
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And what would a football genius conclude from that?
Absolutely nothing.......
League standing depends only on the scores at the end of the games you play..........
You could score 100 goals in one game and win it, but lose all your other games 0-1.
You would be the highest scoring team in the premiership, and sit exactly at the .............
BOTTOM.
posted on 8/1/25
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 3 hours, 53 minutes ago
"Compared to last season, after 20 games, we have scored the same number of goals (42) let in 1 more (30 vs 29) but have 15 less points "
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And what would a football genius conclude from that?
Absolutely nothing.......
League standing depends only on the scores at the end of the games you play..........
You could score 100 goals in one game and win it, but lose all your other games 0-1.
You would be the highest scoring team in the premiership, and sit exactly at the .............
BOTTOM.
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Good point Ted. In season 1937/38 Manchester City were top scorers with 80 goals, and were relegated. Always good to know a bit about football history.
posted on 8/1/25
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 19 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 28 minutes ago
You're not as big a club as you think you are and it shows,
You've (the spurs fans) have chased multiple winners because you're impatient, the instant gratification generation encapsulated in a fan base.
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This is true. Been telling posters on here to stat humble for yonks.
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Except we are based on value and earnings which is why we deserve better than cheapskate Levy.
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When the real tenants the NFL & Taylor Swift are in town you mean
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