comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 2 hours, 43 minutes ago
Selling Garnacho is a big mistake imo.
He's a game changer. He may not necessarily fit into the current starting 11, but he's a great asset to have off the bench.
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I wouldn’t worry about the formation. I doubt we’ll be using it too long . Should certainly be keeping Garnacho
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 2 hours, 56 minutes ago
Selling Garnacho is a big mistake imo.
He's a game changer. He may not necessarily fit into the current starting 11, but he's a great asset to have off the bench.
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Agree. I'd much rather keep him and if we sell because we have to then things are pretty dire.
Things are pretty dire because we are now at this point when we have to sell. Im beginning to know what it has like being a West Ham fan for the last 50 years with talk of a club policy of selling our best youth team players for the club to just to keep going forwards.
Regarding RA its clear that unless he can win a few PL games playing his way hes soon gonna have to change it to a formation that will suit the players we still have. Or Jim will have to sack him.
I'm interested that so many people believe Amorim will be sacked or forced to change his formation if things aren't turned around quickly.
It would be a damning U-turn on the part of INEOS and the new sporting leadership to bring in a new coach on the basis of starting a new rebuild, embracing a new style of football and accepting it means waiting for performance levels to improve. They're actively recruit wing-backs to support this. Why would they do that if they were weeks away from ditching the system? We're already very likely to miss out on Europe, so what are the consequences of continuing this mid-table form? And either sacking Amorim or effectively forcing him to resign by imposing a tactical change will only make it harder to appoint a decent coach. What's the pitch? - "we know we're miles away from being competitive, but we won't tolerate failure to succeed instantly, and we won't give you any significant backing, and you can't play with three at the back, but you'll have to make do with the wing-backs we bought for the last guy just before we sacked him."
To me it seems more likely that the people who appointed Amorim knew it will take fundamental and painful change to reinvent the club, and they will try to make him a success.
Nothing tells me we can develop a young player. If we can go and buy 2-3 players with the dividends and hope one or two can come in at reasonable salaries. I'm hoping for a numbers game. We really don't seem to be able to identify gems or afford undeniably talented players.
RR relegation isn't an option. Is it.
It probably wont come to that, but if it started to look like a possibility, and we still couldnt buy a win playing the RA way with very much the same squad of players as we have right now then something obviously would have to change. (Probably the manager by the things he is says about that)
His agent is at Stamford Bridge tonight apparently.
https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1881437701586776467?t=cnZ54SfOosgPrDtAAinp9Q&s=19
Someone may well need to be sacrificed to get us back on track.
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The one to be sacrificed that would probably have the biggest short term difference at least would be the manager.
RBW, we're not getting relegated. Our current trajectory doesn't point that way. We will have the advantage of getting used to the new tactics. We'll probably slightly improve the squad in January. It's a 100/1 outcome. Some people on this forum are talking as though Amorim's sacking is inevitable.
I don’t think he’ll be as good as the op is suggesting, but he can become a very good player. We should be holding onto him.
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 46 seconds ago
I don’t think he’ll be as good as the op is suggesting, but he can become a very good player. We should be holding onto him.
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In isolation, that's an easy decision but if this is the only (or easiest) way to start rebuilding the squad I'd agree with selling him. With the way PSR works and the hole we're in, it's a huge opportunity.
What is the other option? Who could we sell for that much pure profit and quickly so we can get some players in January?
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 17 seconds ago
RBW, we're not getting relegated. Our current trajectory doesn't point that way. We will have the advantage of getting used to the new tactics. We'll probably slightly improve the squad in January. It's a 100/1 outcome. Some people on this forum are talking as though Amorim's sacking is inevitable.
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LOL. I said, we probably wont get relegated.
Id also say we can possibly improve the squad, not probably. And our current trajectory since RA took over is downwards not upwards. Probably because of trying to implement the new tactics.
But if we dont get involved in the relegation scrap (by winning games under RA between now and May) then he wont be sacked. So nothing to worry about.
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
Things are pretty dire because we are now at this point when we have to sell. Im beginning to know what it has like being a West Ham fan for the last 50 years with talk of a club policy of selling our best youth team players for the club to just to keep going forwards.
Regarding RA its clear that unless he can win a few PL games playing his way hes soon gonna have to change it to a formation that will suit the players we still have. Or Jim will have to sack him.
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Said it a couple of games into Amorims stint when I could already see the writing, either he will change his system, or the board will have to sack him.
At present both seem unlikely which is worrying.
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour ago
His agent is at Stamford Bridge tonight apparently.
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Yep.
We’re going to sell him to buy another pissss poor player who will contribute sweet fa.
Mark my words, this is yet another gamble by the fantastic professionals who run our club that will backfire spectacularly.
Said it a couple of games into Amorims stint when I could already see the writing, either he will change his system, or the board will have to sack him.
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unless RA can win a few PL games doing it his way on the back of any business we do in January
comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
Things are pretty dire because we are now at this point when we have to sell. Im beginning to know what it has like being a West Ham fan for the last 50 years with talk of a club policy of selling our best youth team players for the club to just to keep going forwards.
Regarding RA its clear that unless he can win a few PL games playing his way hes soon gonna have to change it to a formation that will suit the players we still have. Or Jim will have to sack him.
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Said it a couple of games into Amorims stint when I could already see the writing, either he will change his system, or the board will have to sack him.
At present both seem unlikely which is worrying.
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Any counterpoints to my arguments above as to why they wouldn't sack him or make him change the system?
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 5 hours, 2 minutes ago
So I think the two main schools of thought here are 1) "we'd rather keep him if we can, but understand if he's sold" and 2) "he's going to be elite, selling him would be a travesty".
I'd really be interested to hear more from the OP and anyone in the second category. Can you describe the attributes Garnacho has that suggest he'll be world class at his peak? I feel it's possible I'm overlooking something.
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I think he clearly has to work on his game, that much is obvious. However he has all the raw materials to be a top class inside forward.
For example, I would say he is further ahead of Salah in his development at the same age by a considerable amount, and has much more first team experience too.
His pace, directness, bravery, energy, willingness to learn and clear ambition to get to the top of the game will ultimately see him get there I feel.
Also someone mentioned he has the ‘x-factor’. It’s true, It might be a vague and hard to describe asset, but when I’m at OT, people get off their seat when he receives the ball, because they know he will try and make something happen. The consistency of that end product will come with age and experience.
He just won the puskas award at 19. I know that’s not a clear barometer, but it does count for something and show he is capable of the truly extraordinary.
Am I saying he will be the best player in the world? No. Could he be a top 10 player in the world? In my opinion yes. How many have we had of those in the last 12 years? RVP the last one I can think of. Possibly DDG at his absolute peak.
Selling him is short sighted, and shows a clear lack of ambition by the club I feel. I know others may disagree, but time will tell as always.
If he leaves, I feel he will win more trophies in his career than United will in the same timespan, which says it all really.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
Things are pretty dire because we are now at this point when we have to sell. Im beginning to know what it has like being a West Ham fan for the last 50 years with talk of a club policy of selling our best youth team players for the club to just to keep going forwards.
Regarding RA its clear that unless he can win a few PL games playing his way hes soon gonna have to change it to a formation that will suit the players we still have. Or Jim will have to sack him.
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Said it a couple of games into Amorims stint when I could already see the writing, either he will change his system, or the board will have to sack him.
At present both seem unlikely which is worrying.
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Any counterpoints to my arguments above as to why they wouldn't sack him or make him change the system?
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Talks of sacking a manager who hasn't signed a single player yet and has inherited a sinking ship is absolutely comical yet not surprising in the slightest with this club and fanbase.
Already seen loads of ETH revision appear online last few days. They have conveniently forgotten it was he that led us to 14th before getting sacked and bought a squad full of dross players.
Only way Amorim getting sacked this season could be a talking point is if we got relegated. Anything above that and his free pass is still valid in my eyes.
This is NOT his mess he's created. I don't know how many more times people need to hear it.
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
Things are pretty dire because we are now at this point when we have to sell. Im beginning to know what it has like being a West Ham fan for the last 50 years with talk of a club policy of selling our best youth team players for the club to just to keep going forwards.
Regarding RA its clear that unless he can win a few PL games playing his way hes soon gonna have to change it to a formation that will suit the players we still have. Or Jim will have to sack him.
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Said it a couple of games into Amorims stint when I could already see the writing, either he will change his system, or the board will have to sack him.
At present both seem unlikely which is worrying.
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Any counterpoints to my arguments above as to why they wouldn't sack him or make him change the system?
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Talks of sacking a manager who hasn't signed a single player yet and has inherited a sinking ship is absolutely comical yet not surprising in the slightest with this club and fanbase.
Already seen loads of ETH revision appear online last few days. They have conveniently forgotten it was he that led us to 14th before getting sacked and bought a squad full of dross players.
Only way Amorim getting sacked this season could be a talking point is if we got relegated. Anything above that and his free pass is still valid in my eyes.
This is NOT his mess he's created. I don't know how many more times people need to hear it.
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Ive not heard of any United fans saying RA should be sacked if we stay in the PL this season. This is all he has to do between now and May either by his way or another way if necessary
Surely INEOS knew who Amorim was, his style and formation before they hired him? He must have made it very clear the system he plays and will continue to play that way and that there would be pain involved in the short term.
They knew all this before they brought him in. Why then would they tell him to change his system or sack him. Seems an absurd notion tbh.
comment by Playmaker (U22780)
posted 1 minute ago
Surely INEOS knew who Amorim was, his style and formation before they hired him? He must have made it very clear the system he plays and will continue to play that way and that there would be pain involved in the short term.
They knew all this before they brought him in. Why then would they tell him to change his system or sack him. Seems an absurd notion tbh.
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Yep
comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 5 hours, 2 minutes ago
So I think the two main schools of thought here are 1) "we'd rather keep him if we can, but understand if he's sold" and 2) "he's going to be elite, selling him would be a travesty".
I'd really be interested to hear more from the OP and anyone in the second category. Can you describe the attributes Garnacho has that suggest he'll be world class at his peak? I feel it's possible I'm overlooking something.
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I think he clearly has to work on his game, that much is obvious. However he has all the raw materials to be a top class inside forward.
For example, I would say he is further ahead of Salah in his development at the same age by a considerable amount, and has much more first team experience too.
His pace, directness, bravery, energy, willingness to learn and clear ambition to get to the top of the game will ultimately see him get there I feel.
Also someone mentioned he has the ‘x-factor’. It’s true, It might be a vague and hard to describe asset, but when I’m at OT, people get off their seat when he receives the ball, because they know he will try and make something happen. The consistency of that end product will come with age and experience.
He just won the puskas award at 19. I know that’s not a clear barometer, but it does count for something and show he is capable of the truly extraordinary.
Am I saying he will be the best player in the world? No. Could he be a top 10 player in the world? In my opinion yes. How many have we had of those in the last 12 years? RVP the last one I can think of. Possibly DDG at his absolute peak.
Selling him is short sighted, and shows a clear lack of ambition by the club I feel. I know others may disagree, but time will tell as always.
If he leaves, I feel he will win more trophies in his career than United will in the same timespan, which says it all really.
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There are commentators I very much respect who are dead against selling him. One of the arguments they make is that he's extremely productive for his age, and they point out he's very unlucky not to have a lot more goals and assists this season, due to poor execution by other players.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 5 hours, 2 minutes ago
So I think the two main schools of thought here are 1) "we'd rather keep him if we can, but understand if he's sold" and 2) "he's going to be elite, selling him would be a travesty".
I'd really be interested to hear more from the OP and anyone in the second category. Can you describe the attributes Garnacho has that suggest he'll be world class at his peak? I feel it's possible I'm overlooking something.
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I think he clearly has to work on his game, that much is obvious. However he has all the raw materials to be a top class inside forward.
For example, I would say he is further ahead of Salah in his development at the same age by a considerable amount, and has much more first team experience too.
His pace, directness, bravery, energy, willingness to learn and clear ambition to get to the top of the game will ultimately see him get there I feel.
Also someone mentioned he has the ‘x-factor’. It’s true, It might be a vague and hard to describe asset, but when I’m at OT, people get off their seat when he receives the ball, because they know he will try and make something happen. The consistency of that end product will come with age and experience.
He just won the puskas award at 19. I know that’s not a clear barometer, but it does count for something and show he is capable of the truly extraordinary.
Am I saying he will be the best player in the world? No. Could he be a top 10 player in the world? In my opinion yes. How many have we had of those in the last 12 years? RVP the last one I can think of. Possibly DDG at his absolute peak.
Selling him is short sighted, and shows a clear lack of ambition by the club I feel. I know others may disagree, but time will tell as always.
If he leaves, I feel he will win more trophies in his career than United will in the same timespan, which says it all really.
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There are commentators I very much respect who are dead against selling him. One of the arguments they make is that he's extremely productive for his age, and they point out he's very unlucky not to have a lot more goals and assists this season, due to poor execution by other players.
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I don't think anyone doubts his quality and the fact he will improve (by how much we don't know) but unfortunately this is probably what is best for the club at this point. We can't go on with no signings for the new manager to really implement his style of play. We all want united to get back to the elite level and we have to sell to even make minor changes, even more so as people are actually mentioning relegation, that is how far we have fallen and without a big sale we can't do anything at all.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Playmaker (U22780)
posted 1 minute ago
Surely INEOS knew who Amorim was, his style and formation before they hired him? He must have made it very clear the system he plays and will continue to play that way and that there would be pain involved in the short term.
They knew all this before they brought him in. Why then would they tell him to change his system or sack him. Seems an absurd notion tbh.
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Yep
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LOL
If indeed United under RA do continue to struggle to win enough PL games from now and until May despite what business they conduct this January window, to the extent that it threatens our PL status, despite the best laid out plans then INEOs will of course have to do whatever it takes to prevent it from happening, as relegation isnt a option for United. If that means that RA has to step aside because he refuses to change the system, so be it. He knows this though.
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posted on 20/1/25
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 2 hours, 43 minutes ago
Selling Garnacho is a big mistake imo.
He's a game changer. He may not necessarily fit into the current starting 11, but he's a great asset to have off the bench.
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I wouldn’t worry about the formation. I doubt we’ll be using it too long . Should certainly be keeping Garnacho
posted on 20/1/25
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 2 hours, 56 minutes ago
Selling Garnacho is a big mistake imo.
He's a game changer. He may not necessarily fit into the current starting 11, but he's a great asset to have off the bench.
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Agree. I'd much rather keep him and if we sell because we have to then things are pretty dire.
posted on 20/1/25
Things are pretty dire because we are now at this point when we have to sell. Im beginning to know what it has like being a West Ham fan for the last 50 years with talk of a club policy of selling our best youth team players for the club to just to keep going forwards.
Regarding RA its clear that unless he can win a few PL games playing his way hes soon gonna have to change it to a formation that will suit the players we still have. Or Jim will have to sack him.
posted on 20/1/25
I'm interested that so many people believe Amorim will be sacked or forced to change his formation if things aren't turned around quickly.
It would be a damning U-turn on the part of INEOS and the new sporting leadership to bring in a new coach on the basis of starting a new rebuild, embracing a new style of football and accepting it means waiting for performance levels to improve. They're actively recruit wing-backs to support this. Why would they do that if they were weeks away from ditching the system? We're already very likely to miss out on Europe, so what are the consequences of continuing this mid-table form? And either sacking Amorim or effectively forcing him to resign by imposing a tactical change will only make it harder to appoint a decent coach. What's the pitch? - "we know we're miles away from being competitive, but we won't tolerate failure to succeed instantly, and we won't give you any significant backing, and you can't play with three at the back, but you'll have to make do with the wing-backs we bought for the last guy just before we sacked him."
To me it seems more likely that the people who appointed Amorim knew it will take fundamental and painful change to reinvent the club, and they will try to make him a success.
posted on 20/1/25
Nothing tells me we can develop a young player. If we can go and buy 2-3 players with the dividends and hope one or two can come in at reasonable salaries. I'm hoping for a numbers game. We really don't seem to be able to identify gems or afford undeniably talented players.
posted on 20/1/25
RR relegation isn't an option. Is it.
It probably wont come to that, but if it started to look like a possibility, and we still couldnt buy a win playing the RA way with very much the same squad of players as we have right now then something obviously would have to change. (Probably the manager by the things he is says about that)
posted on 20/1/25
His agent is at Stamford Bridge tonight apparently.
posted on 20/1/25
https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1881437701586776467?t=cnZ54SfOosgPrDtAAinp9Q&s=19
posted on 20/1/25
Someone may well need to be sacrificed to get us back on track.
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The one to be sacrificed that would probably have the biggest short term difference at least would be the manager.
posted on 20/1/25
RBW, we're not getting relegated. Our current trajectory doesn't point that way. We will have the advantage of getting used to the new tactics. We'll probably slightly improve the squad in January. It's a 100/1 outcome. Some people on this forum are talking as though Amorim's sacking is inevitable.
posted on 20/1/25
I don’t think he’ll be as good as the op is suggesting, but he can become a very good player. We should be holding onto him.
posted on 20/1/25
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 46 seconds ago
I don’t think he’ll be as good as the op is suggesting, but he can become a very good player. We should be holding onto him.
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In isolation, that's an easy decision but if this is the only (or easiest) way to start rebuilding the squad I'd agree with selling him. With the way PSR works and the hole we're in, it's a huge opportunity.
What is the other option? Who could we sell for that much pure profit and quickly so we can get some players in January?
posted on 20/1/25
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 17 seconds ago
RBW, we're not getting relegated. Our current trajectory doesn't point that way. We will have the advantage of getting used to the new tactics. We'll probably slightly improve the squad in January. It's a 100/1 outcome. Some people on this forum are talking as though Amorim's sacking is inevitable.
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LOL. I said, we probably wont get relegated.
Id also say we can possibly improve the squad, not probably. And our current trajectory since RA took over is downwards not upwards. Probably because of trying to implement the new tactics.
But if we dont get involved in the relegation scrap (by winning games under RA between now and May) then he wont be sacked. So nothing to worry about.
posted on 20/1/25
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
Things are pretty dire because we are now at this point when we have to sell. Im beginning to know what it has like being a West Ham fan for the last 50 years with talk of a club policy of selling our best youth team players for the club to just to keep going forwards.
Regarding RA its clear that unless he can win a few PL games playing his way hes soon gonna have to change it to a formation that will suit the players we still have. Or Jim will have to sack him.
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Said it a couple of games into Amorims stint when I could already see the writing, either he will change his system, or the board will have to sack him.
At present both seem unlikely which is worrying.
posted on 20/1/25
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour ago
His agent is at Stamford Bridge tonight apparently.
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Yep.
We’re going to sell him to buy another pissss poor player who will contribute sweet fa.
Mark my words, this is yet another gamble by the fantastic professionals who run our club that will backfire spectacularly.
posted on 20/1/25
Said it a couple of games into Amorims stint when I could already see the writing, either he will change his system, or the board will have to sack him.
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unless RA can win a few PL games doing it his way on the back of any business we do in January
posted on 20/1/25
comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
Things are pretty dire because we are now at this point when we have to sell. Im beginning to know what it has like being a West Ham fan for the last 50 years with talk of a club policy of selling our best youth team players for the club to just to keep going forwards.
Regarding RA its clear that unless he can win a few PL games playing his way hes soon gonna have to change it to a formation that will suit the players we still have. Or Jim will have to sack him.
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Said it a couple of games into Amorims stint when I could already see the writing, either he will change his system, or the board will have to sack him.
At present both seem unlikely which is worrying.
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Any counterpoints to my arguments above as to why they wouldn't sack him or make him change the system?
posted on 20/1/25
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 5 hours, 2 minutes ago
So I think the two main schools of thought here are 1) "we'd rather keep him if we can, but understand if he's sold" and 2) "he's going to be elite, selling him would be a travesty".
I'd really be interested to hear more from the OP and anyone in the second category. Can you describe the attributes Garnacho has that suggest he'll be world class at his peak? I feel it's possible I'm overlooking something.
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I think he clearly has to work on his game, that much is obvious. However he has all the raw materials to be a top class inside forward.
For example, I would say he is further ahead of Salah in his development at the same age by a considerable amount, and has much more first team experience too.
His pace, directness, bravery, energy, willingness to learn and clear ambition to get to the top of the game will ultimately see him get there I feel.
Also someone mentioned he has the ‘x-factor’. It’s true, It might be a vague and hard to describe asset, but when I’m at OT, people get off their seat when he receives the ball, because they know he will try and make something happen. The consistency of that end product will come with age and experience.
He just won the puskas award at 19. I know that’s not a clear barometer, but it does count for something and show he is capable of the truly extraordinary.
Am I saying he will be the best player in the world? No. Could he be a top 10 player in the world? In my opinion yes. How many have we had of those in the last 12 years? RVP the last one I can think of. Possibly DDG at his absolute peak.
Selling him is short sighted, and shows a clear lack of ambition by the club I feel. I know others may disagree, but time will tell as always.
If he leaves, I feel he will win more trophies in his career than United will in the same timespan, which says it all really.
posted on 20/1/25
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
Things are pretty dire because we are now at this point when we have to sell. Im beginning to know what it has like being a West Ham fan for the last 50 years with talk of a club policy of selling our best youth team players for the club to just to keep going forwards.
Regarding RA its clear that unless he can win a few PL games playing his way hes soon gonna have to change it to a formation that will suit the players we still have. Or Jim will have to sack him.
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Said it a couple of games into Amorims stint when I could already see the writing, either he will change his system, or the board will have to sack him.
At present both seem unlikely which is worrying.
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Any counterpoints to my arguments above as to why they wouldn't sack him or make him change the system?
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Talks of sacking a manager who hasn't signed a single player yet and has inherited a sinking ship is absolutely comical yet not surprising in the slightest with this club and fanbase.
Already seen loads of ETH revision appear online last few days. They have conveniently forgotten it was he that led us to 14th before getting sacked and bought a squad full of dross players.
Only way Amorim getting sacked this season could be a talking point is if we got relegated. Anything above that and his free pass is still valid in my eyes.
This is NOT his mess he's created. I don't know how many more times people need to hear it.
posted on 20/1/25
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
Things are pretty dire because we are now at this point when we have to sell. Im beginning to know what it has like being a West Ham fan for the last 50 years with talk of a club policy of selling our best youth team players for the club to just to keep going forwards.
Regarding RA its clear that unless he can win a few PL games playing his way hes soon gonna have to change it to a formation that will suit the players we still have. Or Jim will have to sack him.
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Said it a couple of games into Amorims stint when I could already see the writing, either he will change his system, or the board will have to sack him.
At present both seem unlikely which is worrying.
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Any counterpoints to my arguments above as to why they wouldn't sack him or make him change the system?
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Talks of sacking a manager who hasn't signed a single player yet and has inherited a sinking ship is absolutely comical yet not surprising in the slightest with this club and fanbase.
Already seen loads of ETH revision appear online last few days. They have conveniently forgotten it was he that led us to 14th before getting sacked and bought a squad full of dross players.
Only way Amorim getting sacked this season could be a talking point is if we got relegated. Anything above that and his free pass is still valid in my eyes.
This is NOT his mess he's created. I don't know how many more times people need to hear it.
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Ive not heard of any United fans saying RA should be sacked if we stay in the PL this season. This is all he has to do between now and May either by his way or another way if necessary
posted on 20/1/25
Surely INEOS knew who Amorim was, his style and formation before they hired him? He must have made it very clear the system he plays and will continue to play that way and that there would be pain involved in the short term.
They knew all this before they brought him in. Why then would they tell him to change his system or sack him. Seems an absurd notion tbh.
posted on 20/1/25
comment by Playmaker (U22780)
posted 1 minute ago
Surely INEOS knew who Amorim was, his style and formation before they hired him? He must have made it very clear the system he plays and will continue to play that way and that there would be pain involved in the short term.
They knew all this before they brought him in. Why then would they tell him to change his system or sack him. Seems an absurd notion tbh.
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Yep
posted on 20/1/25
comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 5 hours, 2 minutes ago
So I think the two main schools of thought here are 1) "we'd rather keep him if we can, but understand if he's sold" and 2) "he's going to be elite, selling him would be a travesty".
I'd really be interested to hear more from the OP and anyone in the second category. Can you describe the attributes Garnacho has that suggest he'll be world class at his peak? I feel it's possible I'm overlooking something.
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I think he clearly has to work on his game, that much is obvious. However he has all the raw materials to be a top class inside forward.
For example, I would say he is further ahead of Salah in his development at the same age by a considerable amount, and has much more first team experience too.
His pace, directness, bravery, energy, willingness to learn and clear ambition to get to the top of the game will ultimately see him get there I feel.
Also someone mentioned he has the ‘x-factor’. It’s true, It might be a vague and hard to describe asset, but when I’m at OT, people get off their seat when he receives the ball, because they know he will try and make something happen. The consistency of that end product will come with age and experience.
He just won the puskas award at 19. I know that’s not a clear barometer, but it does count for something and show he is capable of the truly extraordinary.
Am I saying he will be the best player in the world? No. Could he be a top 10 player in the world? In my opinion yes. How many have we had of those in the last 12 years? RVP the last one I can think of. Possibly DDG at his absolute peak.
Selling him is short sighted, and shows a clear lack of ambition by the club I feel. I know others may disagree, but time will tell as always.
If he leaves, I feel he will win more trophies in his career than United will in the same timespan, which says it all really.
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There are commentators I very much respect who are dead against selling him. One of the arguments they make is that he's extremely productive for his age, and they point out he's very unlucky not to have a lot more goals and assists this season, due to poor execution by other players.
posted on 20/1/25
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 5 hours, 2 minutes ago
So I think the two main schools of thought here are 1) "we'd rather keep him if we can, but understand if he's sold" and 2) "he's going to be elite, selling him would be a travesty".
I'd really be interested to hear more from the OP and anyone in the second category. Can you describe the attributes Garnacho has that suggest he'll be world class at his peak? I feel it's possible I'm overlooking something.
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I think he clearly has to work on his game, that much is obvious. However he has all the raw materials to be a top class inside forward.
For example, I would say he is further ahead of Salah in his development at the same age by a considerable amount, and has much more first team experience too.
His pace, directness, bravery, energy, willingness to learn and clear ambition to get to the top of the game will ultimately see him get there I feel.
Also someone mentioned he has the ‘x-factor’. It’s true, It might be a vague and hard to describe asset, but when I’m at OT, people get off their seat when he receives the ball, because they know he will try and make something happen. The consistency of that end product will come with age and experience.
He just won the puskas award at 19. I know that’s not a clear barometer, but it does count for something and show he is capable of the truly extraordinary.
Am I saying he will be the best player in the world? No. Could he be a top 10 player in the world? In my opinion yes. How many have we had of those in the last 12 years? RVP the last one I can think of. Possibly DDG at his absolute peak.
Selling him is short sighted, and shows a clear lack of ambition by the club I feel. I know others may disagree, but time will tell as always.
If he leaves, I feel he will win more trophies in his career than United will in the same timespan, which says it all really.
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There are commentators I very much respect who are dead against selling him. One of the arguments they make is that he's extremely productive for his age, and they point out he's very unlucky not to have a lot more goals and assists this season, due to poor execution by other players.
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I don't think anyone doubts his quality and the fact he will improve (by how much we don't know) but unfortunately this is probably what is best for the club at this point. We can't go on with no signings for the new manager to really implement his style of play. We all want united to get back to the elite level and we have to sell to even make minor changes, even more so as people are actually mentioning relegation, that is how far we have fallen and without a big sale we can't do anything at all.
posted on 20/1/25
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Playmaker (U22780)
posted 1 minute ago
Surely INEOS knew who Amorim was, his style and formation before they hired him? He must have made it very clear the system he plays and will continue to play that way and that there would be pain involved in the short term.
They knew all this before they brought him in. Why then would they tell him to change his system or sack him. Seems an absurd notion tbh.
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Yep
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LOL
If indeed United under RA do continue to struggle to win enough PL games from now and until May despite what business they conduct this January window, to the extent that it threatens our PL status, despite the best laid out plans then INEOs will of course have to do whatever it takes to prevent it from happening, as relegation isnt a option for United. If that means that RA has to step aside because he refuses to change the system, so be it. He knows this though.
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