‘ Honestly, I don't think Ange is the right man to lead us forward in the long term’
From the outside it doesn’t look as though he is either.
However, I can understand why there is still a lot of support for him from Spurs fans. You guys must be tired of the incessant ‘build it up/burn it down’ managerial merry go round.
Surely you at least have to stick with him til the end of this season, if not next?
The losing by 1 goal stat does not tell the full story. There have been games in which we could and should have been put out of sight. Arsenal could have scored more goals, Bournemouth could have scored more goals, Everton yesterday could have scored more. We've made a number of games seem closer than they were through bad opposition finishing, our keepers pulling out lots of good saves, or consolation goals after the opposition took their foot off the gas.
Ange has been pretty lucky he hasn't suffered more humiliating scores that got Levy pulling the trigger.
Even if you were to ignore that and pretend they've all been close games we've lost by 1 goal in, it's still not a good look, cause it essentially tells you we've developed a habit for losing anytime a draw should be possible.
I'm still Ange in. Would like him to turn it around but he does need to make changes and compromise with his own beliefs.
I also agree we will be in better shape if he were to leave. The new man will need a few new faces but he defo will have something to work with.
Regardless who the manager the squad is still short of a top class winger and left sided defender(s).
Something will have to give this summer with Biss and Bents both entering their final year this summer.
2.7 more windows but it could be more.....
A draw or win, I should say,
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 5 minutes ago
Great article Edinspur.
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This is how you know this article is one big wum.
Very good article mate
I am for Ange but against Levy.
I want Levy out or just resigns from the club.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 46 minutes ago
The losing by 1 goal stat does not tell the full story. There have been games in which we could and should have been put out of sight. Arsenal could have scored more goals, Bournemouth could have scored more goals, Everton yesterday could have scored more. We've made a number of games seem closer than they were through bad opposition finishing, our keepers pulling out lots of good saves, or consolation goals after the opposition took their foot off the gas.
Ange has been pretty lucky he hasn't suffered more humiliating scores that got Levy pulling the trigger.
Even if you were to ignore that and pretend they've all been close games we've lost by 1 goal in, it's still not a good look, cause it essentially tells you we've developed a habit for losing anytime a draw should be possible.
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Swings and round abouts though. There's games when we deserved more goals or been a bit unlucky in conceding.
I'd say that Liverpool and Chelsea could have been well out of sight but we haven't had much luck in front of either goal
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 52 minutes ago
I'm still Ange in. Would like him to turn it around but he does need to make changes and compromise with his own beliefs.
I also agree we will be in better shape if he were to leave. The new man will need a few new faces but he defo will have something to work with.
Regardless who the manager the squad is still short of a top class winger and left sided defender(s).
Something will have to give this summer with Biss and Bents both entering their final year this summer.
2.7 more windows but it could be more.....
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stay humble
Why is Ange getting grief for the current disaster, when Levy has hardly supported Ange with experienced reinforcements?
One of the richest clubs but no transfer yet, other than a young keeper?
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 46 minutes ago
The losing by 1 goal stat does not tell the full story. There have been games in which we could and should have been put out of sight. Arsenal could have scored more goals, Bournemouth could have scored more goals, Everton yesterday could have scored more. We've made a number of games seem closer than they were through bad opposition finishing, our keepers pulling out lots of good saves, or consolation goals after the opposition took their foot off the gas.
Ange has been pretty lucky he hasn't suffered more humiliating scores that got Levy pulling the trigger.
Even if you were to ignore that and pretend they've all been close games we've lost by 1 goal in, it's still not a good look, cause it essentially tells you we've developed a habit for losing anytime a draw should be possible.
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Swings and round abouts though. There's games when we deserved more goals or been a bit unlucky in conceding.
I'd say that Liverpool and Chelsea could have been well out of sight but we haven't had much luck in front of either goal
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What were any recent games where we deserved more? The Newcastle one possibly. That's about it. Not many games anymore where we dominate a team and end up unlucky. One hammering to the worst team in PL history and the rest in the last couple of months have been poor showings.
Bournemouth's game against Newcastle was exactly how our game with them (Bournemouth) should have ended because the number of good chances they created at the end was frightening.
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
‘ Honestly, I don't think Ange is the right man to lead us forward in the long term’
From the outside it doesn’t look as though he is either.
However, I can understand why there is still a lot of support for him from Spurs fans. You guys must be tired of the incessant ‘build it up/burn it down’ managerial merry go round.
Surely you at least have to stick with him til the end of this season, if not next?
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Yeah, we definitely don't have the quality to shoot up to challenge for the title. So I wouldnt address any managerial concern until the bigger issues are fixed.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 46 minutes ago
The losing by 1 goal stat does not tell the full story. There have been games in which we could and should have been put out of sight. Arsenal could have scored more goals, Bournemouth could have scored more goals, Everton yesterday could have scored more. We've made a number of games seem closer than they were through bad opposition finishing, our keepers pulling out lots of good saves, or consolation goals after the opposition took their foot off the gas.
Ange has been pretty lucky he hasn't suffered more humiliating scores that got Levy pulling the trigger.
Even if you were to ignore that and pretend they've all been close games we've lost by 1 goal in, it's still not a good look, cause it essentially tells you we've developed a habit for losing anytime a draw should be possible.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Swings and round abouts though. There's games when we deserved more goals or been a bit unlucky in conceding.
I'd say that Liverpool and Chelsea could have been well out of sight but we haven't had much luck in front of either goal
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What were any recent games where we deserved more? The Newcastle one possibly. That's about it. Not many games anymore where we dominate a team and end up unlucky. One hammering to the worst team in PL history and the rest in the last couple of months have been poor showings.
Bournemouth's game against Newcastle was exactly how our game with them (Bournemouth) should have ended because the number of good chances they created at the end was frightening.
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what you're thinking about how the club is treating their manager without no outfield players brought in to help this huge injury calamity Spurtle?
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
The losing by 1 goal stat does not tell the full story. There have been games in which we could and should have been put out of sight. Arsenal could have scored more goals, Bournemouth could have scored more goals, Everton yesterday could have scored more. We've made a number of games seem closer than they were through bad opposition finishing, our keepers pulling out lots of good saves, or consolation goals after the opposition took their foot off the gas.
Ange has been pretty lucky he hasn't suffered more humiliating scores that got Levy pulling the trigger.
Even if you were to ignore that and pretend they've all been close games we've lost by 1 goal in, it's still not a good look, cause it essentially tells you we've developed a habit for losing anytime a draw should be possible.
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I think you are missing the larger point that I am making, not that they weren't deserved losses or anything. More that we lack the game differentiating quality that can change those types of games.
Obviously a ridiculous hypothetical - but if we had 13/14 Bale and our performances were the same. We would be in a completely different place. We don't have the top class player to bail us out on bad days like a Saka or Salah
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 5 minutes ago
Great article Edinspur.
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This is how you know this article is one big wum.
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ffs
Thanks for the nice comments all
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 46 minutes ago
The losing by 1 goal stat does not tell the full story. There have been games in which we could and should have been put out of sight. Arsenal could have scored more goals, Bournemouth could have scored more goals, Everton yesterday could have scored more. We've made a number of games seem closer than they were through bad opposition finishing, our keepers pulling out lots of good saves, or consolation goals after the opposition took their foot off the gas.
Ange has been pretty lucky he hasn't suffered more humiliating scores that got Levy pulling the trigger.
Even if you were to ignore that and pretend they've all been close games we've lost by 1 goal in, it's still not a good look, cause it essentially tells you we've developed a habit for losing anytime a draw should be possible.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Swings and round abouts though. There's games when we deserved more goals or been a bit unlucky in conceding.
I'd say that Liverpool and Chelsea could have been well out of sight but we haven't had much luck in front of either goal
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What were any recent games where we deserved more? The Newcastle one possibly. That's about it. Not many games anymore where we dominate a team and end up unlucky. One hammering to the worst team in PL history and the rest in the last couple of months have been poor showings.
Bournemouth's game against Newcastle was exactly how our game with them (Bournemouth) should have ended because the number of good chances they created at the end was frightening.
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what you're thinking about how the club is treating their manager without no outfield players brought in to help this huge injury calamity Spurtle?
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I said somewhere else, if the board are saying that Ange needs help then they ought to be helping him with signings.
Personally, since I am Ange out, I can accept no signings and would rather just bring them in the summer under a new manager. It sounds like we'd be bringing them in now out of desperation due to injuries, rather than through well thought out planning and research. Obviously I want us to be doing the latter.
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
The losing by 1 goal stat does not tell the full story. There have been games in which we could and should have been put out of sight. Arsenal could have scored more goals, Bournemouth could have scored more goals, Everton yesterday could have scored more. We've made a number of games seem closer than they were through bad opposition finishing, our keepers pulling out lots of good saves, or consolation goals after the opposition took their foot off the gas.
Ange has been pretty lucky he hasn't suffered more humiliating scores that got Levy pulling the trigger.
Even if you were to ignore that and pretend they've all been close games we've lost by 1 goal in, it's still not a good look, cause it essentially tells you we've developed a habit for losing anytime a draw should be possible.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think you are missing the larger point that I am making, not that they weren't deserved losses or anything. More that we lack the game differentiating quality that can change those types of games.
Obviously a ridiculous hypothetical - but if we had 13/14 Bale and our performances were the same. We would be in a completely different place. We don't have the top class player to bail us out on bad days like a Saka or Salah
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Would having a Saka or Salah be a real difference maker in an Ange team though in all those results? I guess we would not lose as many games but the real issue has been at the other end, conceding too many goals, conceding chances too often, getting caught out when we press high. The organisation in the way we press isn't there.
It definitely would, wouldn't have to commit as many players forward to unlock a defence. Wouldn't have to burnout chasing a result as much. We'd be in control of games more and subsequently would be able to rest players as a result.
Yeah having a world class attacker or two changes the whole thing. If we scored even 25% more of the chances created by winning the ball up high or lost possession up front 10% less all of a sudden teams will naturally start bottling it more. As it is, they know they probably won't get punished unless they do it a few times so they're more comfortable taking risks against the press.
Where I'm struggling with the OP, though, is that believing in Ange doing the right stuff but admitting the results are sheit and he's probably not the long term solution can really only lead to the conclusion that he should be sacked. Sorry. Critics like to say he's clueless and substandard, I actually think he's too good for us. We need a Moyes or a Dyche to polish the turrrds our ownership deliver
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
The losing by 1 goal stat does not tell the full story. There have been games in which we could and should have been put out of sight. Arsenal could have scored more goals, Bournemouth could have scored more goals, Everton yesterday could have scored more. We've made a number of games seem closer than they were through bad opposition finishing, our keepers pulling out lots of good saves, or consolation goals after the opposition took their foot off the gas.
Ange has been pretty lucky he hasn't suffered more humiliating scores that got Levy pulling the trigger.
Even if you were to ignore that and pretend they've all been close games we've lost by 1 goal in, it's still not a good look, cause it essentially tells you we've developed a habit for losing anytime a draw should be possible.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think you are missing the larger point that I am making, not that they weren't deserved losses or anything. More that we lack the game differentiating quality that can change those types of games.
Obviously a ridiculous hypothetical - but if we had 13/14 Bale and our performances were the same. We would be in a completely different place. We don't have the top class player to bail us out on bad days like a Saka or Salah
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Would having a Saka or Salah be a real difference maker in an Ange team though in all those results? I guess we would not lose as many games but the real issue has been at the other end, conceding too many goals, conceding chances too often, getting caught out when we press high. The organisation in the way we press isn't there.
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Having a top difference maker clearly makes a difference to results. Look at Kane and Son dragging Spurs up the table for years.
We’ve been pretty crap for ages but had Rashford and Bruno winning us games out of nothing and getting us trophies and top four finishes.
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 9 minutes ago
We’ve been pretty crap for ages but had Rashford and Bruno winning us games out of nothing and getting us trophies and top four finishes.
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Eggsactly. A crap team that has a Varane and Casemiro and a Bruno or whoever to drag you over the line works. Either sheer quality or mentality or both that got them to the top. We need the same to happen with tier 2 signings that can be great, can be chit. Levy got lucky with Bale then Kane and Poch. The only thing he's consistently done good is the finances. Even then he got super lucky with mad low interest rates for the financing
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posted on 20/1/25
posted on 20/1/25
‘ Honestly, I don't think Ange is the right man to lead us forward in the long term’
From the outside it doesn’t look as though he is either.
However, I can understand why there is still a lot of support for him from Spurs fans. You guys must be tired of the incessant ‘build it up/burn it down’ managerial merry go round.
Surely you at least have to stick with him til the end of this season, if not next?
posted on 20/1/25
The losing by 1 goal stat does not tell the full story. There have been games in which we could and should have been put out of sight. Arsenal could have scored more goals, Bournemouth could have scored more goals, Everton yesterday could have scored more. We've made a number of games seem closer than they were through bad opposition finishing, our keepers pulling out lots of good saves, or consolation goals after the opposition took their foot off the gas.
Ange has been pretty lucky he hasn't suffered more humiliating scores that got Levy pulling the trigger.
Even if you were to ignore that and pretend they've all been close games we've lost by 1 goal in, it's still not a good look, cause it essentially tells you we've developed a habit for losing anytime a draw should be possible.
posted on 20/1/25
I'm still Ange in. Would like him to turn it around but he does need to make changes and compromise with his own beliefs.
I also agree we will be in better shape if he were to leave. The new man will need a few new faces but he defo will have something to work with.
Regardless who the manager the squad is still short of a top class winger and left sided defender(s).
Something will have to give this summer with Biss and Bents both entering their final year this summer.
2.7 more windows but it could be more.....
posted on 20/1/25
A draw or win, I should say,
posted on 20/1/25
Great article Edinspur.
posted on 20/1/25
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 5 minutes ago
Great article Edinspur.
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This is how you know this article is one big wum.
posted on 20/1/25
Very good article mate
I am for Ange but against Levy.
I want Levy out or just resigns from the club.
posted on 20/1/25
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 46 minutes ago
The losing by 1 goal stat does not tell the full story. There have been games in which we could and should have been put out of sight. Arsenal could have scored more goals, Bournemouth could have scored more goals, Everton yesterday could have scored more. We've made a number of games seem closer than they were through bad opposition finishing, our keepers pulling out lots of good saves, or consolation goals after the opposition took their foot off the gas.
Ange has been pretty lucky he hasn't suffered more humiliating scores that got Levy pulling the trigger.
Even if you were to ignore that and pretend they've all been close games we've lost by 1 goal in, it's still not a good look, cause it essentially tells you we've developed a habit for losing anytime a draw should be possible.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Swings and round abouts though. There's games when we deserved more goals or been a bit unlucky in conceding.
I'd say that Liverpool and Chelsea could have been well out of sight but we haven't had much luck in front of either goal
posted on 20/1/25
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 52 minutes ago
I'm still Ange in. Would like him to turn it around but he does need to make changes and compromise with his own beliefs.
I also agree we will be in better shape if he were to leave. The new man will need a few new faces but he defo will have something to work with.
Regardless who the manager the squad is still short of a top class winger and left sided defender(s).
Something will have to give this summer with Biss and Bents both entering their final year this summer.
2.7 more windows but it could be more.....
----------------------------------------------------------------------
stay humble
posted on 20/1/25
Always.
posted on 20/1/25
Why is Ange getting grief for the current disaster, when Levy has hardly supported Ange with experienced reinforcements?
One of the richest clubs but no transfer yet, other than a young keeper?
posted on 20/1/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 46 minutes ago
The losing by 1 goal stat does not tell the full story. There have been games in which we could and should have been put out of sight. Arsenal could have scored more goals, Bournemouth could have scored more goals, Everton yesterday could have scored more. We've made a number of games seem closer than they were through bad opposition finishing, our keepers pulling out lots of good saves, or consolation goals after the opposition took their foot off the gas.
Ange has been pretty lucky he hasn't suffered more humiliating scores that got Levy pulling the trigger.
Even if you were to ignore that and pretend they've all been close games we've lost by 1 goal in, it's still not a good look, cause it essentially tells you we've developed a habit for losing anytime a draw should be possible.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Swings and round abouts though. There's games when we deserved more goals or been a bit unlucky in conceding.
I'd say that Liverpool and Chelsea could have been well out of sight but we haven't had much luck in front of either goal
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What were any recent games where we deserved more? The Newcastle one possibly. That's about it. Not many games anymore where we dominate a team and end up unlucky. One hammering to the worst team in PL history and the rest in the last couple of months have been poor showings.
Bournemouth's game against Newcastle was exactly how our game with them (Bournemouth) should have ended because the number of good chances they created at the end was frightening.
posted on 20/1/25
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
‘ Honestly, I don't think Ange is the right man to lead us forward in the long term’
From the outside it doesn’t look as though he is either.
However, I can understand why there is still a lot of support for him from Spurs fans. You guys must be tired of the incessant ‘build it up/burn it down’ managerial merry go round.
Surely you at least have to stick with him til the end of this season, if not next?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, we definitely don't have the quality to shoot up to challenge for the title. So I wouldnt address any managerial concern until the bigger issues are fixed.
posted on 20/1/25
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 46 minutes ago
The losing by 1 goal stat does not tell the full story. There have been games in which we could and should have been put out of sight. Arsenal could have scored more goals, Bournemouth could have scored more goals, Everton yesterday could have scored more. We've made a number of games seem closer than they were through bad opposition finishing, our keepers pulling out lots of good saves, or consolation goals after the opposition took their foot off the gas.
Ange has been pretty lucky he hasn't suffered more humiliating scores that got Levy pulling the trigger.
Even if you were to ignore that and pretend they've all been close games we've lost by 1 goal in, it's still not a good look, cause it essentially tells you we've developed a habit for losing anytime a draw should be possible.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Swings and round abouts though. There's games when we deserved more goals or been a bit unlucky in conceding.
I'd say that Liverpool and Chelsea could have been well out of sight but we haven't had much luck in front of either goal
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What were any recent games where we deserved more? The Newcastle one possibly. That's about it. Not many games anymore where we dominate a team and end up unlucky. One hammering to the worst team in PL history and the rest in the last couple of months have been poor showings.
Bournemouth's game against Newcastle was exactly how our game with them (Bournemouth) should have ended because the number of good chances they created at the end was frightening.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
what you're thinking about how the club is treating their manager without no outfield players brought in to help this huge injury calamity Spurtle?
posted on 20/1/25
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
The losing by 1 goal stat does not tell the full story. There have been games in which we could and should have been put out of sight. Arsenal could have scored more goals, Bournemouth could have scored more goals, Everton yesterday could have scored more. We've made a number of games seem closer than they were through bad opposition finishing, our keepers pulling out lots of good saves, or consolation goals after the opposition took their foot off the gas.
Ange has been pretty lucky he hasn't suffered more humiliating scores that got Levy pulling the trigger.
Even if you were to ignore that and pretend they've all been close games we've lost by 1 goal in, it's still not a good look, cause it essentially tells you we've developed a habit for losing anytime a draw should be possible.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think you are missing the larger point that I am making, not that they weren't deserved losses or anything. More that we lack the game differentiating quality that can change those types of games.
Obviously a ridiculous hypothetical - but if we had 13/14 Bale and our performances were the same. We would be in a completely different place. We don't have the top class player to bail us out on bad days like a Saka or Salah
posted on 20/1/25
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 5 minutes ago
Great article Edinspur.
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This is how you know this article is one big wum.
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ffs
Thanks for the nice comments all
posted on 20/1/25
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 46 minutes ago
The losing by 1 goal stat does not tell the full story. There have been games in which we could and should have been put out of sight. Arsenal could have scored more goals, Bournemouth could have scored more goals, Everton yesterday could have scored more. We've made a number of games seem closer than they were through bad opposition finishing, our keepers pulling out lots of good saves, or consolation goals after the opposition took their foot off the gas.
Ange has been pretty lucky he hasn't suffered more humiliating scores that got Levy pulling the trigger.
Even if you were to ignore that and pretend they've all been close games we've lost by 1 goal in, it's still not a good look, cause it essentially tells you we've developed a habit for losing anytime a draw should be possible.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Swings and round abouts though. There's games when we deserved more goals or been a bit unlucky in conceding.
I'd say that Liverpool and Chelsea could have been well out of sight but we haven't had much luck in front of either goal
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What were any recent games where we deserved more? The Newcastle one possibly. That's about it. Not many games anymore where we dominate a team and end up unlucky. One hammering to the worst team in PL history and the rest in the last couple of months have been poor showings.
Bournemouth's game against Newcastle was exactly how our game with them (Bournemouth) should have ended because the number of good chances they created at the end was frightening.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
what you're thinking about how the club is treating their manager without no outfield players brought in to help this huge injury calamity Spurtle?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I said somewhere else, if the board are saying that Ange needs help then they ought to be helping him with signings.
Personally, since I am Ange out, I can accept no signings and would rather just bring them in the summer under a new manager. It sounds like we'd be bringing them in now out of desperation due to injuries, rather than through well thought out planning and research. Obviously I want us to be doing the latter.
posted on 20/1/25
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
The losing by 1 goal stat does not tell the full story. There have been games in which we could and should have been put out of sight. Arsenal could have scored more goals, Bournemouth could have scored more goals, Everton yesterday could have scored more. We've made a number of games seem closer than they were through bad opposition finishing, our keepers pulling out lots of good saves, or consolation goals after the opposition took their foot off the gas.
Ange has been pretty lucky he hasn't suffered more humiliating scores that got Levy pulling the trigger.
Even if you were to ignore that and pretend they've all been close games we've lost by 1 goal in, it's still not a good look, cause it essentially tells you we've developed a habit for losing anytime a draw should be possible.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think you are missing the larger point that I am making, not that they weren't deserved losses or anything. More that we lack the game differentiating quality that can change those types of games.
Obviously a ridiculous hypothetical - but if we had 13/14 Bale and our performances were the same. We would be in a completely different place. We don't have the top class player to bail us out on bad days like a Saka or Salah
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would having a Saka or Salah be a real difference maker in an Ange team though in all those results? I guess we would not lose as many games but the real issue has been at the other end, conceding too many goals, conceding chances too often, getting caught out when we press high. The organisation in the way we press isn't there.
posted on 20/1/25
It definitely would, wouldn't have to commit as many players forward to unlock a defence. Wouldn't have to burnout chasing a result as much. We'd be in control of games more and subsequently would be able to rest players as a result.
posted on 20/1/25
Yeah having a world class attacker or two changes the whole thing. If we scored even 25% more of the chances created by winning the ball up high or lost possession up front 10% less all of a sudden teams will naturally start bottling it more. As it is, they know they probably won't get punished unless they do it a few times so they're more comfortable taking risks against the press.
Where I'm struggling with the OP, though, is that believing in Ange doing the right stuff but admitting the results are sheit and he's probably not the long term solution can really only lead to the conclusion that he should be sacked. Sorry. Critics like to say he's clueless and substandard, I actually think he's too good for us. We need a Moyes or a Dyche to polish the turrrds our ownership deliver
posted on 20/1/25
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
The losing by 1 goal stat does not tell the full story. There have been games in which we could and should have been put out of sight. Arsenal could have scored more goals, Bournemouth could have scored more goals, Everton yesterday could have scored more. We've made a number of games seem closer than they were through bad opposition finishing, our keepers pulling out lots of good saves, or consolation goals after the opposition took their foot off the gas.
Ange has been pretty lucky he hasn't suffered more humiliating scores that got Levy pulling the trigger.
Even if you were to ignore that and pretend they've all been close games we've lost by 1 goal in, it's still not a good look, cause it essentially tells you we've developed a habit for losing anytime a draw should be possible.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think you are missing the larger point that I am making, not that they weren't deserved losses or anything. More that we lack the game differentiating quality that can change those types of games.
Obviously a ridiculous hypothetical - but if we had 13/14 Bale and our performances were the same. We would be in a completely different place. We don't have the top class player to bail us out on bad days like a Saka or Salah
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Would having a Saka or Salah be a real difference maker in an Ange team though in all those results? I guess we would not lose as many games but the real issue has been at the other end, conceding too many goals, conceding chances too often, getting caught out when we press high. The organisation in the way we press isn't there.
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Having a top difference maker clearly makes a difference to results. Look at Kane and Son dragging Spurs up the table for years.
posted on 20/1/25
We’ve been pretty crap for ages but had Rashford and Bruno winning us games out of nothing and getting us trophies and top four finishes.
posted on 20/1/25
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 9 minutes ago
We’ve been pretty crap for ages but had Rashford and Bruno winning us games out of nothing and getting us trophies and top four finishes.
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Eggsactly. A crap team that has a Varane and Casemiro and a Bruno or whoever to drag you over the line works. Either sheer quality or mentality or both that got them to the top. We need the same to happen with tier 2 signings that can be great, can be chit. Levy got lucky with Bale then Kane and Poch. The only thing he's consistently done good is the finances. Even then he got super lucky with mad low interest rates for the financing
posted on 20/1/25
*financing the stadium
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