comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 11 seconds ago
Sancho vs Antony:
Both lack the explosive acceleration to be productive wingers in the PL. Sancho has a rare level of skill and vision, but it now seems pretty clear he doesn't have the determination to make the most of his talent. It seemed to me that Antony really, really wanted to be a success and did put in the work, but just wasn't good enough. I'll always have more sympathy for a player in that category, and I hope things work well for him at his next club. No such wishes for Sancho at Chelsea.
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I take it you didn't like George Best then?
Who earns £8750 per year?
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Robb #456 (U22716)
posted 33 minutes ago
It was silly for so many people to call him a generational talent, I certainly didn’t 🫣
I still think he’s a quality player but maybe not suited to the PL. imo he’d kill it in La Liga.
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I remember only too well your bombardment of posts saying we should buy him no matter what it costs.
Sadly that idiot Ed must have read your posts.
The only thing I will say in Sancho's defence is that Antony should never have been in the team while he was on the bench.
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Robbie's endorsements usually have the opposite effect.
He also said Shaw was going to be better than Bake
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You post like once a year on here so why suck up to VC and lie about what I said? Weird
comment by DoireDevilBhoy (U10745)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I call everything I don’t like woke (U6374)
posted 45 minutes ago
I kind of get where you’re coming from, but at the same time, the amount of players whose form picks up as soon as they leave Utd is quite telling.
As unpalatable as it may be, perhaps Sancho has a point?
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Ive seen this peddled about the internet in recent weeks, but which players form has picked up since leaving United ??? In recent years the only player who has improved after leaving United arguably is Elanga. I’ve seen people say McT, but his stats are actually very similar to when he was at United and he isn’t really doing anything that we didn’t see from him here, Sancho left twice and has been underwhelming both times after decent starts. Anthony and Rashford time will tell. But overall I can’t thing of many, if any, players who have left untied in recent years and tore it up, outside of Elanga who is doing very well by all accounts at Forest.
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Weghorst is ripping up the Dutch league
McTominay is doing much better at Napoli than he did at United, and that's reflected in the stats: already has 6 league goals with a third of the season remaining (his outlier year at United saw him score 7). Obviously, this is in the context of joining a league where a number of PL players have proved to have a physical advantage over the average player. It's also clear that Conte's system is a great fit for his profile: playing as a box to box midfielder without significant responsibility for build-up means Napoli don't depend on him to do the things he's mediocre at (taking the ball on the turn, creative passing) while maximising the things he is good at (lots of ground coverage and aggression, late arrivals into the box). I have to say, it's great to see him playing in a fantastic city, at a club where he is loved, in Maradona's stadium, and pushing for a league title.
It’s perfectly reasonable to suggest a schizophrenic club like United isn’t the best place for a player to show their great talent. Of all the signings we’ve made in the past 5 years for example only Bruno is an undoubted success story. We’re just cursed and even if Sancho isn’t doing great at Chelsea, sooo many other players seem to be doing better at a sane club.
comment by Randy Wolters (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 11 seconds ago
Sancho vs Antony:
Both lack the explosive acceleration to be productive wingers in the PL. Sancho has a rare level of skill and vision, but it now seems pretty clear he doesn't have the determination to make the most of his talent. It seemed to me that Antony really, really wanted to be a success and did put in the work, but just wasn't good enough. I'll always have more sympathy for a player in that category, and I hope things work well for him at his next club. No such wishes for Sancho at Chelsea.
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I take it you didn't like George Best then?
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Relative to the baseline of footballer fitness in the 1960s, Best is in the top quartile. Obviously, sports science methodology has evolved significantly since those days, but he was quite a trailblazer in his time when it comes to his dedication outside of training to maintaining high levels of hydration (beer) and cardio training (shаgging).
comment by Robbing Hoody - I call everything I don’t like woke (U6374)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by DoireDevilBhoy (U10745)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I call everything I don’t like woke (U6374)
posted 45 minutes ago
I kind of get where you’re coming from, but at the same time, the amount of players whose form picks up as soon as they leave Utd is quite telling.
As unpalatable as it may be, perhaps Sancho has a point?
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Ive seen this peddled about the internet in recent weeks, but which players form has picked up since leaving United ??? In recent years the only player who has improved after leaving United arguably is Elanga. I’ve seen people say McT, but his stats are actually very similar to when he was at United and he isn’t really doing anything that we didn’t see from him here, Sancho left twice and has been underwhelming both times after decent starts. Anthony and Rashford time will tell. But overall I can’t thing of many, if any, players who have left untied in recent years and tore it up, outside of Elanga who is doing very well by all accounts at Forest.
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If you’re looking at stats I guess, but McT has become a mainstay in a very good side. They love him.
Martial is doing really well. You’re looking to buy back Carreras, Greenwood is scoring but that’s a bit different, Henderson is back in the England squad, Sancho has improved and yes Elanga has smashed it.
I’m not sure anyone has mentioned tearing it up, but what is true is that they’re all doing better and on current form would probably start a lot of games at Utd.
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McT is doing exactly what he done for us, scoring the odd goal and working hard, he’s doing ok but certainly hasn’t improved markedly if you actually watch the games. Martial is playing in the Greece league which is ranked the 11th best league in europe, the PL is first. He has scored 7 goals in 15 appearances, so again doing ok in a very sub par league compared to the PL, id hardly say he’s improved.
Greenwood is greenwood and the least said the better. Henderson is again doing exactly what we thought he would, a good solid prem goalkeeper, but to say he’s improved just isn’t true, he is what he is. Sancho has 2 goals and 4 assists in 18 games for Chelsea, and has 1 single assist in his last 11 games, to the point Chelsea fans are looking rid, one earlier on this thread even scored his move 5 out of 10, so by what metric has he ‘improved’?
Listen, I am not for a minute defending United, we have become a graveyard for players, but to say a plethora of players have left and improved is just plain wrong, and tabloid/online hyperbole to beat United. The problem isn’t that United sign good players and ruin them, the problem is we sign players who arent good enough or past their best.
comment by Robb #456 (U22716)
posted 3 minutes ago
It’s perfectly reasonable to suggest a schizophrenic club like United isn’t the best place for a player to show their great talent. Of all the signings we’ve made in the past 5 years for example only Bruno is an undoubted success story. We’re just cursed and even if Sancho isn’t doing great at Chelsea, sooo many other players seem to be doing better at a sane club.
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The encouraging thing is that the rot stems not from a curse (nothing you can do about it), but years of abject apathy on the part of the company leadership. It remains to be seen whether the new lot succeed in changing things, but it's a first step that they've acknowledged the need to reset the culture *throughout the organisation* and Amorim seems ruthlessly aligned with this.
"There is no way players from past generations would cope with the fast paced nature of modern life as a footballer."
Possibly a fair argument, George Best is a good example. He enjoyed it though.
I’m not sure you are actually watching the Napoli games then.
We couldn't get peak Angel Di Maria to work at us, when he has been one of the best big game players of our generation, for Argentina/Real Madrid and others.
It's definitely an us thing.
McT is doing exactly what he done for us, scoring the odd goal and working hard, he’s doing ok but certainly hasn’t improved markedly if you actually watch the games
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Obviously he's not transformed into a different player, but he's a mainstay of a team that's sitting at the top of one of Europe's strongest leagues. I don't think anyone is arguing it was a mistake to sell him. He wasn't a perfect fit and wasn't an elite talent, and he brought in pure profit from a PSR point of view. But I don't think anyone can seriously argue that his move has been 'meh'. It's been a spectacular success.
Maybe someone should do an article whether players like Best could cut it in the PL now. (FWIW I think he’d struggle to be anywhere near as effective as I doubt he’d be as committed to fitness as he’d need to be these days).
Thats not an attack on him as a talent, in some ways I’d rather a league with more George Best players then Ronaldo ones.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
McT is doing exactly what he done for us, scoring the odd goal and working hard, he’s doing ok but certainly hasn’t improved markedly if you actually watch the games
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Obviously he's not transformed into a different player, but he's a mainstay of a team that's sitting at the top of one of Europe's strongest leagues. I don't think anyone is arguing it was a mistake to sell him. He wasn't a perfect fit and wasn't an elite talent, and he brought in pure profit from a PSR point of view. But I don't think anyone can seriously argue that his move has been 'meh'. It's been a spectacular success.
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I didn’t say it was ‘meh’, the argument was that so many players have left United and improved, my counter is that that just isn’t the case. McT is for sure having a good time of it but he hasn’t actually improved as a player, and it certainly hasn’t been a spectacular success, and I say that as someone who liked him and is happy to see him getting on well. But even if I give McT and Elanga, United have sold or released almost 40 players in the last 3 years (granted not all first team obviously), not including loans, and we can only pick out less than a handful who are doing well at their new clubs. So the narrative that a load of players have left United and all of a sudden become a lot better players just isn’t true at all.
It’s just a media construct to bash United to generate clicks. Even take the reaction to Rashford on Sunday, he played about 25 mins, his team was leading 2-0 when he came on, and ended up winning 2-1, he made one good run down the line and put in a couple tackles/aerial challenges, other than that there was very little to report (as there wouldn’t be in such a short period) but all of a sudden the narrative is he had a great cameo and is going to tear it up away from United. He might do, but there is/was nothing to suggest that in his limited performance on Sunday. Same with Sancho, went to Dortmund last year, had a couple decent games then tailed off and was generally awful come the end of the season, yet we were being told he was back to being a super talent, and it was the same again this year at Chelsea, had a decent start and everyone was saying he was rejuvenated and being away from United was so good for him, but once again he is back to stinking the place out.
Again, am not defending United, we are a complete mess of a club, but the narrative around players leaving and improving all over the place just isn’t true.
I’m glad Chelsea fans have already changed their minds on Sancho and are already getting fed up with his performances so soon, but they still have to buy him this summer.
comment by Robb #456 (U22716)
posted 8 minutes ago
Maybe someone should do an article whether players like Best could cut it in the PL now. (FWIW I think he’d struggle to be anywhere near as effective as I doubt he’d be as committed to fitness as he’d need to be these days).
Thats not an attack on him as a talent, in some ways I’d rather a league with more George Best players then Ronaldo ones.
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Ridiculous argument, players will adapt to the culture of their surroundings.
Players aren't mostly model professionals now through choice, but through instruction and experience of their environment.
It's why you cannot compare players of previous generations.
Even Beeks is doing well for Girona. He’s played almost every game for them and has a few goals
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 17 minutes ago
McT is doing exactly what he done for us, scoring the odd goal and working hard, he’s doing ok but certainly hasn’t improved markedly if you actually watch the games
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Obviously he's not transformed into a different player, but he's a mainstay of a team that's sitting at the top of one of Europe's strongest leagues. I don't think anyone is arguing it was a mistake to sell him. He wasn't a perfect fit and wasn't an elite talent, and he brought in pure profit from a PSR point of view. But I don't think anyone can seriously argue that his move has been 'meh'. It's been a spectacular success.
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McTominay would've suited Amorims midfield better than many currently at the club. We're desperate for runners in the final third.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Robb #456 (U22716)
posted 8 minutes ago
Maybe someone should do an article whether players like Best could cut it in the PL now. (FWIW I think he’d struggle to be anywhere near as effective as I doubt he’d be as committed to fitness as he’d need to be these days).
Thats not an attack on him as a talent, in some ways I’d rather a league with more George Best players then Ronaldo ones.
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Ridiculous argument, players will adapt to the culture of their surroundings.
Players aren't mostly model professionals now through choice, but through instruction and experience of their environment.
It's why you cannot compare players of previous generations.
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Best barely adapted to the culture of his surroundings. He was finished by his mid 20s and while probably more naturally talented than any current PL player just didn’t have the dedication to keep up with todays game
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Robb #456 (U22716)
posted 33 minutes ago
It was silly for so many people to call him a generational talent, I certainly didn’t 🫣
I still think he’s a quality player but maybe not suited to the PL. imo he’d kill it in La Liga.
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I remember only too well your bombardment of posts saying we should buy him no matter what it costs.
Sadly that idiot Ed must have read your posts.
The only thing I will say in Sancho's defence is that Antony should never have been in the team while he was on the bench.
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Robbie's endorsements usually have the opposite effect.
He also said Shaw was going to be better than Bake
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Tbf he’s not wrong, shaw has proven superb with a deep fat fryer
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 17 minutes ago
McT is doing exactly what he done for us, scoring the odd goal and working hard, he’s doing ok but certainly hasn’t improved markedly if you actually watch the games
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Obviously he's not transformed into a different player, but he's a mainstay of a team that's sitting at the top of one of Europe's strongest leagues. I don't think anyone is arguing it was a mistake to sell him. He wasn't a perfect fit and wasn't an elite talent, and he brought in pure profit from a PSR point of view. But I don't think anyone can seriously argue that his move has been 'meh'. It's been a spectacular success.
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McTominay would've suited Amorims midfield better than many currently at the club. We're desperate for runners in the final third.
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I'm very sceptical that he would have suited Amorim's template. Amorim requires dribbling ability and/or high level creativity from his 10s. McTominay has neither. If he were still at the club, he'd played minutes in CM, where he ticks the ground coverage box but would have been one of the players we looked to cash in on because he doesn't look after the ball in tight spaces and doesn't have expansive passing. He's not an amazing ball winner despite his physicality.
Deployed as a box to box midfielder in a three man midfield that has a dedicated deep lying playmaker seems like the only way to get the maximum out of McT.
comment by Robb #456 (U22716)
posted 3 minutes ago
Even Beeks is doing well for Girona. He’s played almost every game for them and has a few goals
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Van de Beek is doing alright from what I've read, but Girona are in absolutely abysmal form.
They've won three of their last fourteen in all comps, losing ten, an abominable run which began right around the time that Beekers cemented his place in the side
Hopefully he does kick on though, because there is about EUR10m in add-ons in the deal apparently, about half of which is based on appearances, and a sell-on clause.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 17 minutes ago
McT is doing exactly what he done for us, scoring the odd goal and working hard, he’s doing ok but certainly hasn’t improved markedly if you actually watch the games
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Obviously he's not transformed into a different player, but he's a mainstay of a team that's sitting at the top of one of Europe's strongest leagues. I don't think anyone is arguing it was a mistake to sell him. He wasn't a perfect fit and wasn't an elite talent, and he brought in pure profit from a PSR point of view. But I don't think anyone can seriously argue that his move has been 'meh'. It's been a spectacular success.
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McTominay would've suited Amorims midfield better than many currently at the club. We're desperate for runners in the final third.
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I'm very sceptical that he would have suited Amorim's template. Amorim requires dribbling ability and/or high level creativity from his 10s. McTominay has neither. If he were still at the club, he'd played minutes in CM, where he ticks the ground coverage box but would have been one of the players we looked to cash in on because he doesn't look after the ball in tight spaces and doesn't have expansive passing. He's not an amazing ball winner despite his physicality.
Deployed as a box to box midfielder in a three man midfield that has a dedicated deep lying playmaker seems like the only way to get the maximum out of McT.
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I don't think he'd have been terrible for Amorim.
He ticks quite a few of the boxes for an Amorim CM: ball carrying ability, strength and tenacity on the ball, gets into challenges, prepared to do the leg work, chips in with goals...
But he's not quick enough, his link up play in the final third probably doesn't cut it, and, most problematically, he doesn't get on the ball nearly enough.
Mainoo will probably go the sane way, good in tight spaces but that’s largely it. No real vision, slow, not great at defending. If Amorim stays long term (dubious) I suspect mainoo will be replaced in midfield by someone more suitable or continue further forward where he’s not all that great either. I’m not sure where he fits in best in this system, which may eventually lead to Jim cashing in.
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posted on 11/2/25
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 11 seconds ago
Sancho vs Antony:
Both lack the explosive acceleration to be productive wingers in the PL. Sancho has a rare level of skill and vision, but it now seems pretty clear he doesn't have the determination to make the most of his talent. It seemed to me that Antony really, really wanted to be a success and did put in the work, but just wasn't good enough. I'll always have more sympathy for a player in that category, and I hope things work well for him at his next club. No such wishes for Sancho at Chelsea.
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I take it you didn't like George Best then?
posted on 11/2/25
Who earns £8750 per year?
posted on 11/2/25
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Robb #456 (U22716)
posted 33 minutes ago
It was silly for so many people to call him a generational talent, I certainly didn’t 🫣
I still think he’s a quality player but maybe not suited to the PL. imo he’d kill it in La Liga.
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I remember only too well your bombardment of posts saying we should buy him no matter what it costs.
Sadly that idiot Ed must have read your posts.
The only thing I will say in Sancho's defence is that Antony should never have been in the team while he was on the bench.
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Robbie's endorsements usually have the opposite effect.
He also said Shaw was going to be better than Bake
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You post like once a year on here so why suck up to VC and lie about what I said? Weird
posted on 11/2/25
comment by DoireDevilBhoy (U10745)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I call everything I don’t like woke (U6374)
posted 45 minutes ago
I kind of get where you’re coming from, but at the same time, the amount of players whose form picks up as soon as they leave Utd is quite telling.
As unpalatable as it may be, perhaps Sancho has a point?
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Ive seen this peddled about the internet in recent weeks, but which players form has picked up since leaving United ??? In recent years the only player who has improved after leaving United arguably is Elanga. I’ve seen people say McT, but his stats are actually very similar to when he was at United and he isn’t really doing anything that we didn’t see from him here, Sancho left twice and has been underwhelming both times after decent starts. Anthony and Rashford time will tell. But overall I can’t thing of many, if any, players who have left untied in recent years and tore it up, outside of Elanga who is doing very well by all accounts at Forest.
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Weghorst is ripping up the Dutch league
posted on 11/2/25
McTominay is doing much better at Napoli than he did at United, and that's reflected in the stats: already has 6 league goals with a third of the season remaining (his outlier year at United saw him score 7). Obviously, this is in the context of joining a league where a number of PL players have proved to have a physical advantage over the average player. It's also clear that Conte's system is a great fit for his profile: playing as a box to box midfielder without significant responsibility for build-up means Napoli don't depend on him to do the things he's mediocre at (taking the ball on the turn, creative passing) while maximising the things he is good at (lots of ground coverage and aggression, late arrivals into the box). I have to say, it's great to see him playing in a fantastic city, at a club where he is loved, in Maradona's stadium, and pushing for a league title.
posted on 11/2/25
It’s perfectly reasonable to suggest a schizophrenic club like United isn’t the best place for a player to show their great talent. Of all the signings we’ve made in the past 5 years for example only Bruno is an undoubted success story. We’re just cursed and even if Sancho isn’t doing great at Chelsea, sooo many other players seem to be doing better at a sane club.
posted on 11/2/25
comment by Randy Wolters (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 11 seconds ago
Sancho vs Antony:
Both lack the explosive acceleration to be productive wingers in the PL. Sancho has a rare level of skill and vision, but it now seems pretty clear he doesn't have the determination to make the most of his talent. It seemed to me that Antony really, really wanted to be a success and did put in the work, but just wasn't good enough. I'll always have more sympathy for a player in that category, and I hope things work well for him at his next club. No such wishes for Sancho at Chelsea.
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I take it you didn't like George Best then?
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Relative to the baseline of footballer fitness in the 1960s, Best is in the top quartile. Obviously, sports science methodology has evolved significantly since those days, but he was quite a trailblazer in his time when it comes to his dedication outside of training to maintaining high levels of hydration (beer) and cardio training (shаgging).
posted on 11/2/25
comment by Robbing Hoody - I call everything I don’t like woke (U6374)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by DoireDevilBhoy (U10745)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I call everything I don’t like woke (U6374)
posted 45 minutes ago
I kind of get where you’re coming from, but at the same time, the amount of players whose form picks up as soon as they leave Utd is quite telling.
As unpalatable as it may be, perhaps Sancho has a point?
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Ive seen this peddled about the internet in recent weeks, but which players form has picked up since leaving United ??? In recent years the only player who has improved after leaving United arguably is Elanga. I’ve seen people say McT, but his stats are actually very similar to when he was at United and he isn’t really doing anything that we didn’t see from him here, Sancho left twice and has been underwhelming both times after decent starts. Anthony and Rashford time will tell. But overall I can’t thing of many, if any, players who have left untied in recent years and tore it up, outside of Elanga who is doing very well by all accounts at Forest.
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If you’re looking at stats I guess, but McT has become a mainstay in a very good side. They love him.
Martial is doing really well. You’re looking to buy back Carreras, Greenwood is scoring but that’s a bit different, Henderson is back in the England squad, Sancho has improved and yes Elanga has smashed it.
I’m not sure anyone has mentioned tearing it up, but what is true is that they’re all doing better and on current form would probably start a lot of games at Utd.
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McT is doing exactly what he done for us, scoring the odd goal and working hard, he’s doing ok but certainly hasn’t improved markedly if you actually watch the games. Martial is playing in the Greece league which is ranked the 11th best league in europe, the PL is first. He has scored 7 goals in 15 appearances, so again doing ok in a very sub par league compared to the PL, id hardly say he’s improved.
Greenwood is greenwood and the least said the better. Henderson is again doing exactly what we thought he would, a good solid prem goalkeeper, but to say he’s improved just isn’t true, he is what he is. Sancho has 2 goals and 4 assists in 18 games for Chelsea, and has 1 single assist in his last 11 games, to the point Chelsea fans are looking rid, one earlier on this thread even scored his move 5 out of 10, so by what metric has he ‘improved’?
Listen, I am not for a minute defending United, we have become a graveyard for players, but to say a plethora of players have left and improved is just plain wrong, and tabloid/online hyperbole to beat United. The problem isn’t that United sign good players and ruin them, the problem is we sign players who arent good enough or past their best.
posted on 11/2/25
comment by Robb #456 (U22716)
posted 3 minutes ago
It’s perfectly reasonable to suggest a schizophrenic club like United isn’t the best place for a player to show their great talent. Of all the signings we’ve made in the past 5 years for example only Bruno is an undoubted success story. We’re just cursed and even if Sancho isn’t doing great at Chelsea, sooo many other players seem to be doing better at a sane club.
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The encouraging thing is that the rot stems not from a curse (nothing you can do about it), but years of abject apathy on the part of the company leadership. It remains to be seen whether the new lot succeed in changing things, but it's a first step that they've acknowledged the need to reset the culture *throughout the organisation* and Amorim seems ruthlessly aligned with this.
posted on 11/2/25
"There is no way players from past generations would cope with the fast paced nature of modern life as a footballer."
Possibly a fair argument, George Best is a good example. He enjoyed it though.
posted on 11/2/25
I’m not sure you are actually watching the Napoli games then.
posted on 11/2/25
We couldn't get peak Angel Di Maria to work at us, when he has been one of the best big game players of our generation, for Argentina/Real Madrid and others.
It's definitely an us thing.
posted on 11/2/25
McT is doing exactly what he done for us, scoring the odd goal and working hard, he’s doing ok but certainly hasn’t improved markedly if you actually watch the games
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Obviously he's not transformed into a different player, but he's a mainstay of a team that's sitting at the top of one of Europe's strongest leagues. I don't think anyone is arguing it was a mistake to sell him. He wasn't a perfect fit and wasn't an elite talent, and he brought in pure profit from a PSR point of view. But I don't think anyone can seriously argue that his move has been 'meh'. It's been a spectacular success.
posted on 11/2/25
Maybe someone should do an article whether players like Best could cut it in the PL now. (FWIW I think he’d struggle to be anywhere near as effective as I doubt he’d be as committed to fitness as he’d need to be these days).
Thats not an attack on him as a talent, in some ways I’d rather a league with more George Best players then Ronaldo ones.
posted on 11/2/25
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
McT is doing exactly what he done for us, scoring the odd goal and working hard, he’s doing ok but certainly hasn’t improved markedly if you actually watch the games
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Obviously he's not transformed into a different player, but he's a mainstay of a team that's sitting at the top of one of Europe's strongest leagues. I don't think anyone is arguing it was a mistake to sell him. He wasn't a perfect fit and wasn't an elite talent, and he brought in pure profit from a PSR point of view. But I don't think anyone can seriously argue that his move has been 'meh'. It's been a spectacular success.
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I didn’t say it was ‘meh’, the argument was that so many players have left United and improved, my counter is that that just isn’t the case. McT is for sure having a good time of it but he hasn’t actually improved as a player, and it certainly hasn’t been a spectacular success, and I say that as someone who liked him and is happy to see him getting on well. But even if I give McT and Elanga, United have sold or released almost 40 players in the last 3 years (granted not all first team obviously), not including loans, and we can only pick out less than a handful who are doing well at their new clubs. So the narrative that a load of players have left United and all of a sudden become a lot better players just isn’t true at all.
It’s just a media construct to bash United to generate clicks. Even take the reaction to Rashford on Sunday, he played about 25 mins, his team was leading 2-0 when he came on, and ended up winning 2-1, he made one good run down the line and put in a couple tackles/aerial challenges, other than that there was very little to report (as there wouldn’t be in such a short period) but all of a sudden the narrative is he had a great cameo and is going to tear it up away from United. He might do, but there is/was nothing to suggest that in his limited performance on Sunday. Same with Sancho, went to Dortmund last year, had a couple decent games then tailed off and was generally awful come the end of the season, yet we were being told he was back to being a super talent, and it was the same again this year at Chelsea, had a decent start and everyone was saying he was rejuvenated and being away from United was so good for him, but once again he is back to stinking the place out.
Again, am not defending United, we are a complete mess of a club, but the narrative around players leaving and improving all over the place just isn’t true.
posted on 11/2/25
I’m glad Chelsea fans have already changed their minds on Sancho and are already getting fed up with his performances so soon, but they still have to buy him this summer.
posted on 11/2/25
comment by Robb #456 (U22716)
posted 8 minutes ago
Maybe someone should do an article whether players like Best could cut it in the PL now. (FWIW I think he’d struggle to be anywhere near as effective as I doubt he’d be as committed to fitness as he’d need to be these days).
Thats not an attack on him as a talent, in some ways I’d rather a league with more George Best players then Ronaldo ones.
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Ridiculous argument, players will adapt to the culture of their surroundings.
Players aren't mostly model professionals now through choice, but through instruction and experience of their environment.
It's why you cannot compare players of previous generations.
posted on 11/2/25
Even Beeks is doing well for Girona. He’s played almost every game for them and has a few goals
posted on 11/2/25
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 17 minutes ago
McT is doing exactly what he done for us, scoring the odd goal and working hard, he’s doing ok but certainly hasn’t improved markedly if you actually watch the games
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Obviously he's not transformed into a different player, but he's a mainstay of a team that's sitting at the top of one of Europe's strongest leagues. I don't think anyone is arguing it was a mistake to sell him. He wasn't a perfect fit and wasn't an elite talent, and he brought in pure profit from a PSR point of view. But I don't think anyone can seriously argue that his move has been 'meh'. It's been a spectacular success.
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McTominay would've suited Amorims midfield better than many currently at the club. We're desperate for runners in the final third.
posted on 11/2/25
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Robb #456 (U22716)
posted 8 minutes ago
Maybe someone should do an article whether players like Best could cut it in the PL now. (FWIW I think he’d struggle to be anywhere near as effective as I doubt he’d be as committed to fitness as he’d need to be these days).
Thats not an attack on him as a talent, in some ways I’d rather a league with more George Best players then Ronaldo ones.
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Ridiculous argument, players will adapt to the culture of their surroundings.
Players aren't mostly model professionals now through choice, but through instruction and experience of their environment.
It's why you cannot compare players of previous generations.
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Best barely adapted to the culture of his surroundings. He was finished by his mid 20s and while probably more naturally talented than any current PL player just didn’t have the dedication to keep up with todays game
posted on 11/2/25
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Robb #456 (U22716)
posted 33 minutes ago
It was silly for so many people to call him a generational talent, I certainly didn’t 🫣
I still think he’s a quality player but maybe not suited to the PL. imo he’d kill it in La Liga.
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I remember only too well your bombardment of posts saying we should buy him no matter what it costs.
Sadly that idiot Ed must have read your posts.
The only thing I will say in Sancho's defence is that Antony should never have been in the team while he was on the bench.
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Robbie's endorsements usually have the opposite effect.
He also said Shaw was going to be better than Bake
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Tbf he’s not wrong, shaw has proven superb with a deep fat fryer
posted on 11/2/25
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 17 minutes ago
McT is doing exactly what he done for us, scoring the odd goal and working hard, he’s doing ok but certainly hasn’t improved markedly if you actually watch the games
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Obviously he's not transformed into a different player, but he's a mainstay of a team that's sitting at the top of one of Europe's strongest leagues. I don't think anyone is arguing it was a mistake to sell him. He wasn't a perfect fit and wasn't an elite talent, and he brought in pure profit from a PSR point of view. But I don't think anyone can seriously argue that his move has been 'meh'. It's been a spectacular success.
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McTominay would've suited Amorims midfield better than many currently at the club. We're desperate for runners in the final third.
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I'm very sceptical that he would have suited Amorim's template. Amorim requires dribbling ability and/or high level creativity from his 10s. McTominay has neither. If he were still at the club, he'd played minutes in CM, where he ticks the ground coverage box but would have been one of the players we looked to cash in on because he doesn't look after the ball in tight spaces and doesn't have expansive passing. He's not an amazing ball winner despite his physicality.
Deployed as a box to box midfielder in a three man midfield that has a dedicated deep lying playmaker seems like the only way to get the maximum out of McT.
posted on 11/2/25
comment by Robb #456 (U22716)
posted 3 minutes ago
Even Beeks is doing well for Girona. He’s played almost every game for them and has a few goals
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Van de Beek is doing alright from what I've read, but Girona are in absolutely abysmal form.
They've won three of their last fourteen in all comps, losing ten, an abominable run which began right around the time that Beekers cemented his place in the side
Hopefully he does kick on though, because there is about EUR10m in add-ons in the deal apparently, about half of which is based on appearances, and a sell-on clause.
posted on 11/2/25
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 17 minutes ago
McT is doing exactly what he done for us, scoring the odd goal and working hard, he’s doing ok but certainly hasn’t improved markedly if you actually watch the games
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Obviously he's not transformed into a different player, but he's a mainstay of a team that's sitting at the top of one of Europe's strongest leagues. I don't think anyone is arguing it was a mistake to sell him. He wasn't a perfect fit and wasn't an elite talent, and he brought in pure profit from a PSR point of view. But I don't think anyone can seriously argue that his move has been 'meh'. It's been a spectacular success.
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McTominay would've suited Amorims midfield better than many currently at the club. We're desperate for runners in the final third.
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I'm very sceptical that he would have suited Amorim's template. Amorim requires dribbling ability and/or high level creativity from his 10s. McTominay has neither. If he were still at the club, he'd played minutes in CM, where he ticks the ground coverage box but would have been one of the players we looked to cash in on because he doesn't look after the ball in tight spaces and doesn't have expansive passing. He's not an amazing ball winner despite his physicality.
Deployed as a box to box midfielder in a three man midfield that has a dedicated deep lying playmaker seems like the only way to get the maximum out of McT.
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I don't think he'd have been terrible for Amorim.
He ticks quite a few of the boxes for an Amorim CM: ball carrying ability, strength and tenacity on the ball, gets into challenges, prepared to do the leg work, chips in with goals...
But he's not quick enough, his link up play in the final third probably doesn't cut it, and, most problematically, he doesn't get on the ball nearly enough.
posted on 11/2/25
Mainoo will probably go the sane way, good in tight spaces but that’s largely it. No real vision, slow, not great at defending. If Amorim stays long term (dubious) I suspect mainoo will be replaced in midfield by someone more suitable or continue further forward where he’s not all that great either. I’m not sure where he fits in best in this system, which may eventually lead to Jim cashing in.
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