good pts on Gray and match my assessments too...but like you say why expose the boy to such a game? Ange lost my support totally after seeing the team he picked
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
I thought it was a wacky decision but one to become expected of our waste of space manager.
Gray played at right back (for leeds) and centre back for us. Yes he wants to play as a midfielder but is away at Anfield in our typical playground tactical, no formation led team the way to try him?
Completely unfair on Gray and again a let down of how to utilise young players continuing the theme.
Moore being misused, hall not being allowed near the first team with ange in charge, hardy being pulled out of youth engagements to sit on the bench but no intention of using him.
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Challenging the Moore point - I don't know whats gone on behind the scenes but I don't agree on him being mismanaged. 19 appearances (9 starts, 10 subs) totalling around 850 minutes of first team football.
Considering he missed almost 2 months with a virus (anyone know what that is??). I think its been an appropriate amount of minutes for a 16/17 year old to start.
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It was glandula fever.
He is on a contract guarenteing minutes the only way we could stop him from going to Chelsea/City.
Being shunted on the right is an issue and playing well never getting back in then being sent back to the under 21s. Ajayi obviously suffered the same fate and i am not huge on Ajayi's ceiling personally.
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 6 hours, 7 minutes ago
Gray once played CM for Leeds away at the Bridge and boss their two £100m signings. Look up the highlights.
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I remember that games but he played at right back usually i think he played cm a handful of times if even that?
Not suggesting he cannot play defensive midfield he certainly can but not in this uncoached tactical mess we use.
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
I thought it was a wacky decision but one to become expected of our waste of space manager.
Gray played at right back (for leeds) and centre back for us. Yes he wants to play as a midfielder but is away at Anfield in our typical playground tactical, no formation led team the way to try him?
Completely unfair on Gray and again a let down of how to utilise young players continuing the theme.
Moore being misused, hall not being allowed near the first team with ange in charge, hardy being pulled out of youth engagements to sit on the bench but no intention of using him.
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Challenging the Moore point - I don't know whats gone on behind the scenes but I don't agree on him being mismanaged. 19 appearances (9 starts, 10 subs) totalling around 850 minutes of first team football.
Considering he missed almost 2 months with a virus (anyone know what that is??). I think its been an appropriate amount of minutes for a 16/17 year old to start.
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It was glandula fever.
He is on a contract guarenteing minutes the only way we could stop him from going to Chelsea/City.
Being shunted on the right is an issue and playing well never getting back in then being sent back to the under 21s. Ajayi obviously suffered the same fate and i am not huge on Ajayi's ceiling personally.
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No contract guarantees minutes, esp. 17 year olds
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 15 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
I thought it was a wacky decision but one to become expected of our waste of space manager.
Gray played at right back (for leeds) and centre back for us. Yes he wants to play as a midfielder but is away at Anfield in our typical playground tactical, no formation led team the way to try him?
Completely unfair on Gray and again a let down of how to utilise young players continuing the theme.
Moore being misused, hall not being allowed near the first team with ange in charge, hardy being pulled out of youth engagements to sit on the bench but no intention of using him.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Challenging the Moore point - I don't know whats gone on behind the scenes but I don't agree on him being mismanaged. 19 appearances (9 starts, 10 subs) totalling around 850 minutes of first team football.
Considering he missed almost 2 months with a virus (anyone know what that is??). I think its been an appropriate amount of minutes for a 16/17 year old to start.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It was glandula fever.
He is on a contract guarenteing minutes the only way we could stop him from going to Chelsea/City.
Being shunted on the right is an issue and playing well never getting back in then being sent back to the under 21s. Ajayi obviously suffered the same fate and i am not huge on Ajayi's ceiling personally.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No contract guarantees minutes, esp. 17 year olds
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This is very unlikely to be true. Obviously they'd be caveated by injury/force majeure/conduct provisions but contracts will absolutely exist where minimum appearances are guaranteed if conditions are met.
Not for youngsters like Gray, admittedly.
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posted on 28/4/25
good pts on Gray and match my assessments too...but like you say why expose the boy to such a game? Ange lost my support totally after seeing the team he picked
posted on 28/4/25
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
I thought it was a wacky decision but one to become expected of our waste of space manager.
Gray played at right back (for leeds) and centre back for us. Yes he wants to play as a midfielder but is away at Anfield in our typical playground tactical, no formation led team the way to try him?
Completely unfair on Gray and again a let down of how to utilise young players continuing the theme.
Moore being misused, hall not being allowed near the first team with ange in charge, hardy being pulled out of youth engagements to sit on the bench but no intention of using him.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Challenging the Moore point - I don't know whats gone on behind the scenes but I don't agree on him being mismanaged. 19 appearances (9 starts, 10 subs) totalling around 850 minutes of first team football.
Considering he missed almost 2 months with a virus (anyone know what that is??). I think its been an appropriate amount of minutes for a 16/17 year old to start.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It was glandula fever.
He is on a contract guarenteing minutes the only way we could stop him from going to Chelsea/City.
Being shunted on the right is an issue and playing well never getting back in then being sent back to the under 21s. Ajayi obviously suffered the same fate and i am not huge on Ajayi's ceiling personally.
posted on 28/4/25
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 6 hours, 7 minutes ago
Gray once played CM for Leeds away at the Bridge and boss their two £100m signings. Look up the highlights.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I remember that games but he played at right back usually i think he played cm a handful of times if even that?
Not suggesting he cannot play defensive midfield he certainly can but not in this uncoached tactical mess we use.
posted on 28/4/25
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
I thought it was a wacky decision but one to become expected of our waste of space manager.
Gray played at right back (for leeds) and centre back for us. Yes he wants to play as a midfielder but is away at Anfield in our typical playground tactical, no formation led team the way to try him?
Completely unfair on Gray and again a let down of how to utilise young players continuing the theme.
Moore being misused, hall not being allowed near the first team with ange in charge, hardy being pulled out of youth engagements to sit on the bench but no intention of using him.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Challenging the Moore point - I don't know whats gone on behind the scenes but I don't agree on him being mismanaged. 19 appearances (9 starts, 10 subs) totalling around 850 minutes of first team football.
Considering he missed almost 2 months with a virus (anyone know what that is??). I think its been an appropriate amount of minutes for a 16/17 year old to start.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It was glandula fever.
He is on a contract guarenteing minutes the only way we could stop him from going to Chelsea/City.
Being shunted on the right is an issue and playing well never getting back in then being sent back to the under 21s. Ajayi obviously suffered the same fate and i am not huge on Ajayi's ceiling personally.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No contract guarantees minutes, esp. 17 year olds
posted on 29/4/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 15 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
I thought it was a wacky decision but one to become expected of our waste of space manager.
Gray played at right back (for leeds) and centre back for us. Yes he wants to play as a midfielder but is away at Anfield in our typical playground tactical, no formation led team the way to try him?
Completely unfair on Gray and again a let down of how to utilise young players continuing the theme.
Moore being misused, hall not being allowed near the first team with ange in charge, hardy being pulled out of youth engagements to sit on the bench but no intention of using him.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Challenging the Moore point - I don't know whats gone on behind the scenes but I don't agree on him being mismanaged. 19 appearances (9 starts, 10 subs) totalling around 850 minutes of first team football.
Considering he missed almost 2 months with a virus (anyone know what that is??). I think its been an appropriate amount of minutes for a 16/17 year old to start.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It was glandula fever.
He is on a contract guarenteing minutes the only way we could stop him from going to Chelsea/City.
Being shunted on the right is an issue and playing well never getting back in then being sent back to the under 21s. Ajayi obviously suffered the same fate and i am not huge on Ajayi's ceiling personally.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No contract guarantees minutes, esp. 17 year olds
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is very unlikely to be true. Obviously they'd be caveated by injury/force majeure/conduct provisions but contracts will absolutely exist where minimum appearances are guaranteed if conditions are met.
Not for youngsters like Gray, admittedly.
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