(Continues)
Those traits would obviously generate a long list of names, and the club’s scouts might then knock that down to 20 for video review. Every player eventually put to Farke as a possible signing will have already had a data and scouting report compiled.
As for Farke’s own suggestions, they are all given a deep dive because of his importance in the overall process. Leeds sources have been at pains to point out no player is forced on the manager, and neither does he force one on the club. Every signing must have agreement from scouts, manager, strategy, planning and finance. If one of those boxes is not ticked, the player concerned is not signed.
Once that list of targets is established in each position, Underwood, who was mentored over the past 12 months by Nick Hammond before the latter followed Kinnear to Everton, takes on the vast majority of the process.
Club sources have explained the next stages.
Underwood approaches agents, players and their clubs to establish whether a deal can be done. If he hears positive noises on a target, the club dig deeper on him with Farke, while Underwood and Davies make their pitches to agents. Beyond those aforementioned Leicester videos, these presentations aim to show the club have done their homework on a player, with analysis of where they will fit on the pitch, but also how their lives, and their families’ lives, will look off the field if they come to Leeds.
If the process continues, a personal call from Farke to the player is one of the latter hurdles to clear. Senior sources say the German is always brutally honest in those conversations. If they are nailed-on to be starters should they sign, they are told that, but if they are likely to begin their Leeds careers on the bench and have to overthrow existing players to get in the team, he does not lie. If the player does not like what they hear, Leeds move on.
Club sources have also said there will be a clear similarity between the names on Leeds’ shortlists for each position. For example, every striker will have similar attributes. The same with every left-back or every goalkeeper. They have a clear vision of what each position needs to deliver next season.
Last time Leeds were in the Premier League, their relegation was followed by extra pain as it emerged that most of the players signed during their three seasons back in the top flight had clauses included in their contracts allowing them to leave on loan in the event of relegation.
Sources have insisted such clauses, put in place by the previous ownership, will never be used again. If a target is anxious about joining a promoted side at risk of a swift return to the second tier, they will be reassured using the recent examples of Kalvin Phillips and Raphinha. Both were allowed to leave Leeds when they wanted moves, and were signed by Manchester City and Barcelona respectively.
If that is not enough, then sources admit release clauses for permanent fee-bringing transfers might be considered. For example, if a player was bought for £20million and Leeds were later relegated, they could have it in the language of their contract that they would be sold if a club offered £25m or £30m for them. Leeds want control, and a financial incentive, to include clauses like these.
The plans and shortlists are in place.
Leeds know they need to have as many new faces as possible in the building for the start of pre-season on July 7.
Thanks for posting sal.
100% agree with you, it is a great read. Actually it's a
very reassuring read. It finally feels like the club has
embraced data analytics in the way Brentford and
Brighton have. Over the seasons here on Ja and in
other spots, LUFC fans have asked for this. I have.
Several times those calls were knocked back by
others saying things like "every club does this already"
and more specifically "Leeds/we already do this."
Per this article, that simply was not true. It clearly says
that this has happened over the last two seasons.
Under the leadership of the 49ers. The 49ers are well
known over here (US), to have built their squad based
on this way. See Paraag. Probably not a coincidence
that our last two years of recruitment has been pretty
damn great.
Regardless of that, this does outline a club direction
that feels better built to keep us up. Proof is in the
pudding and all that. So far, the names we've been
attached to by the better journos suggests we might
put a good squad together. Here's hoping.
And roll on July 1st.
This is why I'm not worried at all.
Thanks Sal.👍
Great read indeed. Thanks for posting👍.
.....and yet, if data analytics is only now being introduced, what were all that team that Bielsa brought in doing? I thought he was renowned for data analytics, and even did a presentation to us on it!!
Maybe we're just taking different levels of analytics
comment by salonika73 (ECWCF v AC Milan) (U4688)
posted 7 minutes ago
.....and yet, if data analytics is only now being introduced, what were all that team that Bielsa brought in doing? I thought he was renowned for data analytics, and even did a presentation to us on it!!
Maybe we're just taking different levels of analytics
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bielsa was more powerful than any super computer 🖥️
Yes thanks for posting Sal' a very reassuring read and definitely gives us as fans a lot more belief that we are in very capable hands that leave no stone unturned and new signings when they eventually happen will have the required credentials to compete in what we all hope is a high standard helping us get established in the EPL.
Bielsa was more powerful than any super computer 🖥️
^^^
Truth.
comment by salonika73 (ECWCF v AC Milan) (U4688)
posted 22 hours, 19 minutes ago
.....and yet, if data analytics is only now being introduced, what were all that team that Bielsa brought in doing? I thought he was renowned for data analytics, and even did a presentation to us on it!!
Maybe we're just taking different levels of analytics
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would imagine Bielsa's analysts were devoted to the players at the club, whereas this is to do with analysts who track every player in Europe and compile lists of players that meet statistical requirements for each position. This is what Brighton do.
I know of a player who probably wouldn’t meet the
analysis, statistical requirements that the analysts
record…there is a statue of him at Elland Road.
comment by NJS Vaguely Noble (U8272)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
I know of a player who probably wouldn’t meet the
analysis, statistical requirements that the analysts
record…there is a statue of him at Elland Road.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bremner would absolutely hit stats that statistical analysts record and look at. I'm not even sure what you're trying to get at.
comment by Lubo - Struijk of Genius (U14008)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by NJS Vaguely Noble (U8272)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
I know of a player who probably wouldn’t meet the
analysis, statistical requirements that the analysts
record…there is a statue of him at Elland Road.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bremner would absolutely hit stats that statistical analysts record and look at. I'm not even sure what you're trying to get at.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How the hell do you know what the criteria would be
to even classify Bremner, or any other player for that
matter? You have no idea if Bremner would meet the
statistical analysts record…did you ever see him play,
live?
Just to add: I wasn’t answering your post…I didn’t
quote your post…I was making a general comparison
between Bremner and the general remarks of the
article, if that’s okay with you?!
comment by NJS Vaguely Noble (U8272)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Struijk of Genius (U14008)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by NJS Vaguely Noble (U8272)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
I know of a player who probably wouldn’t meet the
analysis, statistical requirements that the analysts
record…there is a statue of him at Elland Road.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bremner would absolutely hit stats that statistical analysts record and look at. I'm not even sure what you're trying to get at.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How the hell do you know what the criteria would be
to even classify Bremner, or any other player for that
matter? You have no idea if Bremner would meet the
statistical analysts record…did you ever see him play,
live?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No. I didn't.
As for if that allows me to comment on whether players would show up analysis, it doesn't matter. All players get analysed for all kinds of things. Its not just fancy metrics, but a lot of distance travelled, high intensity sprints, tackles in specific areas of the pitch, heat maps etc etc
Obviously you cannot judge entirely off that, but its a good way of earmarking potential players to take closer, in-person looks at, instead of having scouts vaguely patrolling games in the hope that they see someone who might be half-decent. You don't want your entire model to be analysis, but you do want it to be the beginning of that.
I'm sure Bremner would have shown up high on many different spots of analysis at the time, or is your suggestion that he wouldn't? I defer to your advanced years having seen him live to know whether he was a good tackler and mover off the ball.
Ok Lubo…but I emphasis I didn’t quote your post or
address you. I was making a general point in the debate.
I certainly don’t mind talking about Bremner…a pity you
didn’t see him play. Personally I think any statistical
record of him from analytic pov would have been
unimpressed, he wouldn’t have fitted in the general opinion of what made a top class player.
His first appearances in a Leeds shirt as a young player on the right wing didn’t go down very well…he was
booed on a few occasions!
No pace, no conspicuous skills on view…nothing to get
excited about…where have they got him from?
Gradually he played himself into the team, Revie saw
something in him, he became manager and moved him
into midfield…eventually Revie made him captain, is he
serious, ffs?!!
Leeds were promoted, Bobby Collins was signed and
really helped Bremner…these years, early and later
sixties were the, in my opinion, the first phase of his
career…he had a tough guy image, at times he was
playing dirty, going over the ball at times with his tackling, but his skills, close ball control, good passes,
With exceptional one twos…his spirit and his never say
die attitude spurred the team on…his game rarely
disappointed, you could see why he was captain now he
shouted and cajoled…he encouraged the team.
The second phase of his career from about late sixties
to the European Cup final, even though we lost, was a
delight, in my opinion…the rough, tough guy was now
an artist, at times he was a ballet dancer, pirouettes
to shake off an opponent, clever decoys, one twos as
Always…importantly scoring vital goals!
The ballet dancer, his legs were long, his stature small,
now he was captain of Scotland!
His death was a great shock to everyone in Leeds and
the footballing world…still a young man…he was a
legend, in my opinion…I still miss seeing him play!
Well it’s Fathers Day and I really enjoyed the treat of
talking about Billy Bremner…thanks for the opportunity
Lubo, all the best.
Here are todays football results:
Standardised Football League Division 1
(Sponsored by Heat Maps)
Old Timers Hospital Patients 0
Ace of Club All Night Dancers 10
North Pole Cold Fronts 0
Equatorial Africa Heat 10
Black Forest Gateau Fatties 3
Wine and Cheese before bedtime Heart Attacks 0
Old Age Pensioners Moaners 0
Young Lads A-Go-Go Go Getters 10
Rome in August Sweaters 3
Papua New Guinea Sun Rash 5
Olympic Sprinters Heatmaps 12
Slow Joggers No Hopers 0
Good read, interesting to see the club seemingly much smarter in how they look for players. I'm looking forward to seeing just who comes through the doors in the coming weeks.
As for the Bremner debate it's the age old debate about intergenerational players. I see lots of vids where ex-pro boxers say who would win between X and Y fighters ..... not always, but regularly they seem to opt for the fighter of the generation they witnessed. I think it's similar to footie. Personally I've no idea. I had the fortune to see the Leeds team from the early 70s onwards. Were they better/worse than more recent players - who knows?
What i've always wondered, just how good could they have been with modern training, conditioning and overall more professional approaches to the game? It's tantalising to imagine, Billy, Eddie and others somehow dropped into the modern game. Well for me anyway.
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posted on 14/6/25
(Continues)
Those traits would obviously generate a long list of names, and the club’s scouts might then knock that down to 20 for video review. Every player eventually put to Farke as a possible signing will have already had a data and scouting report compiled.
As for Farke’s own suggestions, they are all given a deep dive because of his importance in the overall process. Leeds sources have been at pains to point out no player is forced on the manager, and neither does he force one on the club. Every signing must have agreement from scouts, manager, strategy, planning and finance. If one of those boxes is not ticked, the player concerned is not signed.
Once that list of targets is established in each position, Underwood, who was mentored over the past 12 months by Nick Hammond before the latter followed Kinnear to Everton, takes on the vast majority of the process.
Club sources have explained the next stages.
Underwood approaches agents, players and their clubs to establish whether a deal can be done. If he hears positive noises on a target, the club dig deeper on him with Farke, while Underwood and Davies make their pitches to agents. Beyond those aforementioned Leicester videos, these presentations aim to show the club have done their homework on a player, with analysis of where they will fit on the pitch, but also how their lives, and their families’ lives, will look off the field if they come to Leeds.
If the process continues, a personal call from Farke to the player is one of the latter hurdles to clear. Senior sources say the German is always brutally honest in those conversations. If they are nailed-on to be starters should they sign, they are told that, but if they are likely to begin their Leeds careers on the bench and have to overthrow existing players to get in the team, he does not lie. If the player does not like what they hear, Leeds move on.
Club sources have also said there will be a clear similarity between the names on Leeds’ shortlists for each position. For example, every striker will have similar attributes. The same with every left-back or every goalkeeper. They have a clear vision of what each position needs to deliver next season.
Last time Leeds were in the Premier League, their relegation was followed by extra pain as it emerged that most of the players signed during their three seasons back in the top flight had clauses included in their contracts allowing them to leave on loan in the event of relegation.
Sources have insisted such clauses, put in place by the previous ownership, will never be used again. If a target is anxious about joining a promoted side at risk of a swift return to the second tier, they will be reassured using the recent examples of Kalvin Phillips and Raphinha. Both were allowed to leave Leeds when they wanted moves, and were signed by Manchester City and Barcelona respectively.
If that is not enough, then sources admit release clauses for permanent fee-bringing transfers might be considered. For example, if a player was bought for £20million and Leeds were later relegated, they could have it in the language of their contract that they would be sold if a club offered £25m or £30m for them. Leeds want control, and a financial incentive, to include clauses like these.
The plans and shortlists are in place.
Leeds know they need to have as many new faces as possible in the building for the start of pre-season on July 7.
posted on 14/6/25
Thanks for posting sal.
100% agree with you, it is a great read. Actually it's a
very reassuring read. It finally feels like the club has
embraced data analytics in the way Brentford and
Brighton have. Over the seasons here on Ja and in
other spots, LUFC fans have asked for this. I have.
Several times those calls were knocked back by
others saying things like "every club does this already"
and more specifically "Leeds/we already do this."
Per this article, that simply was not true. It clearly says
that this has happened over the last two seasons.
Under the leadership of the 49ers. The 49ers are well
known over here (US), to have built their squad based
on this way. See Paraag. Probably not a coincidence
that our last two years of recruitment has been pretty
damn great.
Regardless of that, this does outline a club direction
that feels better built to keep us up. Proof is in the
pudding and all that. So far, the names we've been
attached to by the better journos suggests we might
put a good squad together. Here's hoping.
And roll on July 1st.
posted on 14/6/25
This is why I'm not worried at all.
Thanks Sal.👍
posted on 14/6/25
Great read indeed. Thanks for posting👍.
posted on 14/6/25
.....and yet, if data analytics is only now being introduced, what were all that team that Bielsa brought in doing? I thought he was renowned for data analytics, and even did a presentation to us on it!!
Maybe we're just taking different levels of analytics
posted on 14/6/25
comment by salonika73 (ECWCF v AC Milan) (U4688)
posted 7 minutes ago
.....and yet, if data analytics is only now being introduced, what were all that team that Bielsa brought in doing? I thought he was renowned for data analytics, and even did a presentation to us on it!!
Maybe we're just taking different levels of analytics
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bielsa was more powerful than any super computer 🖥️
posted on 14/6/25
Yes thanks for posting Sal' a very reassuring read and definitely gives us as fans a lot more belief that we are in very capable hands that leave no stone unturned and new signings when they eventually happen will have the required credentials to compete in what we all hope is a high standard helping us get established in the EPL.
posted on 14/6/25
Bielsa was more powerful than any super computer 🖥️
^^^
Truth.
posted on 15/6/25
comment by salonika73 (ECWCF v AC Milan) (U4688)
posted 22 hours, 19 minutes ago
.....and yet, if data analytics is only now being introduced, what were all that team that Bielsa brought in doing? I thought he was renowned for data analytics, and even did a presentation to us on it!!
Maybe we're just taking different levels of analytics
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would imagine Bielsa's analysts were devoted to the players at the club, whereas this is to do with analysts who track every player in Europe and compile lists of players that meet statistical requirements for each position. This is what Brighton do.
posted on 15/6/25
I know of a player who probably wouldn’t meet the
analysis, statistical requirements that the analysts
record…there is a statue of him at Elland Road.
posted on 15/6/25
comment by NJS Vaguely Noble (U8272)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
I know of a player who probably wouldn’t meet the
analysis, statistical requirements that the analysts
record…there is a statue of him at Elland Road.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bremner would absolutely hit stats that statistical analysts record and look at. I'm not even sure what you're trying to get at.
posted on 15/6/25
comment by Lubo - Struijk of Genius (U14008)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by NJS Vaguely Noble (U8272)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
I know of a player who probably wouldn’t meet the
analysis, statistical requirements that the analysts
record…there is a statue of him at Elland Road.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bremner would absolutely hit stats that statistical analysts record and look at. I'm not even sure what you're trying to get at.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How the hell do you know what the criteria would be
to even classify Bremner, or any other player for that
matter? You have no idea if Bremner would meet the
statistical analysts record…did you ever see him play,
live?
posted on 15/6/25
Just to add: I wasn’t answering your post…I didn’t
quote your post…I was making a general comparison
between Bremner and the general remarks of the
article, if that’s okay with you?!
posted on 15/6/25
comment by NJS Vaguely Noble (U8272)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Struijk of Genius (U14008)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by NJS Vaguely Noble (U8272)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
I know of a player who probably wouldn’t meet the
analysis, statistical requirements that the analysts
record…there is a statue of him at Elland Road.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bremner would absolutely hit stats that statistical analysts record and look at. I'm not even sure what you're trying to get at.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How the hell do you know what the criteria would be
to even classify Bremner, or any other player for that
matter? You have no idea if Bremner would meet the
statistical analysts record…did you ever see him play,
live?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No. I didn't.
As for if that allows me to comment on whether players would show up analysis, it doesn't matter. All players get analysed for all kinds of things. Its not just fancy metrics, but a lot of distance travelled, high intensity sprints, tackles in specific areas of the pitch, heat maps etc etc
Obviously you cannot judge entirely off that, but its a good way of earmarking potential players to take closer, in-person looks at, instead of having scouts vaguely patrolling games in the hope that they see someone who might be half-decent. You don't want your entire model to be analysis, but you do want it to be the beginning of that.
I'm sure Bremner would have shown up high on many different spots of analysis at the time, or is your suggestion that he wouldn't? I defer to your advanced years having seen him live to know whether he was a good tackler and mover off the ball.
posted on 15/6/25
Ok Lubo…but I emphasis I didn’t quote your post or
address you. I was making a general point in the debate.
I certainly don’t mind talking about Bremner…a pity you
didn’t see him play. Personally I think any statistical
record of him from analytic pov would have been
unimpressed, he wouldn’t have fitted in the general opinion of what made a top class player.
His first appearances in a Leeds shirt as a young player on the right wing didn’t go down very well…he was
booed on a few occasions!
No pace, no conspicuous skills on view…nothing to get
excited about…where have they got him from?
Gradually he played himself into the team, Revie saw
something in him, he became manager and moved him
into midfield…eventually Revie made him captain, is he
serious, ffs?!!
Leeds were promoted, Bobby Collins was signed and
really helped Bremner…these years, early and later
sixties were the, in my opinion, the first phase of his
career…he had a tough guy image, at times he was
playing dirty, going over the ball at times with his tackling, but his skills, close ball control, good passes,
With exceptional one twos…his spirit and his never say
die attitude spurred the team on…his game rarely
disappointed, you could see why he was captain now he
shouted and cajoled…he encouraged the team.
The second phase of his career from about late sixties
to the European Cup final, even though we lost, was a
delight, in my opinion…the rough, tough guy was now
an artist, at times he was a ballet dancer, pirouettes
to shake off an opponent, clever decoys, one twos as
Always…importantly scoring vital goals!
The ballet dancer, his legs were long, his stature small,
now he was captain of Scotland!
His death was a great shock to everyone in Leeds and
the footballing world…still a young man…he was a
legend, in my opinion…I still miss seeing him play!
Well it’s Fathers Day and I really enjoyed the treat of
talking about Billy Bremner…thanks for the opportunity
Lubo, all the best.
posted on 16/6/25
Here are todays football results:
Standardised Football League Division 1
(Sponsored by Heat Maps)
Old Timers Hospital Patients 0
Ace of Club All Night Dancers 10
North Pole Cold Fronts 0
Equatorial Africa Heat 10
Black Forest Gateau Fatties 3
Wine and Cheese before bedtime Heart Attacks 0
Old Age Pensioners Moaners 0
Young Lads A-Go-Go Go Getters 10
Rome in August Sweaters 3
Papua New Guinea Sun Rash 5
Olympic Sprinters Heatmaps 12
Slow Joggers No Hopers 0
posted on 16/6/25
Good read, interesting to see the club seemingly much smarter in how they look for players. I'm looking forward to seeing just who comes through the doors in the coming weeks.
As for the Bremner debate it's the age old debate about intergenerational players. I see lots of vids where ex-pro boxers say who would win between X and Y fighters ..... not always, but regularly they seem to opt for the fighter of the generation they witnessed. I think it's similar to footie. Personally I've no idea. I had the fortune to see the Leeds team from the early 70s onwards. Were they better/worse than more recent players - who knows?
What i've always wondered, just how good could they have been with modern training, conditioning and overall more professional approaches to the game? It's tantalising to imagine, Billy, Eddie and others somehow dropped into the modern game. Well for me anyway.
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