posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
The inheritance dwindling thing was just opinion. The only part where I said I'd read something was the grudge between Vivienne and Levy around the injection of funds.
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
Fridge, you are entitled to your opinion.....but when its based on the word of some X ITK attention seeker it is barely credible.
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
Fridge, you are entitled to your opinion.....but when its based on the word of some X ITK attention seeker it is barely credible.
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99% of what I've written in my larger post is opinion. The part that refers to the grudge between Levy and Vivienne is just a small fraction of it.
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
https://x.com/spurstalkshow/status/1965112416364093465?s=4
Agree with this
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
Fridge, you are entitled to your opinion.....but when its based on the word of some X ITK attention seeker it is barely credible.
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99% of what I've written in my larger post is opinion. The part that refers to the grudge between Levy and Vivienne is just a small fraction of it.
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Opinion all predicated on a grudge between Levy & Viv Lewis......a grudge which is being reported by someone on X with no proof or links to the club or owners. There isnt even any crumbs of evidence that such a grudge exists, no other reports, leaks, etc.
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 6 minutes ago
https://x.com/spurstalkshow/status/1965112416364093465?s=4
Agree with this
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Of course you do. It continues to give you somewhere to park your hate now Levy has left the building.
What i would question is, why is Spurs deemed to be "a pig" that needs lipstick applying to it?
And if the Lewis family have no intention of doing anything different, why get rid of Levy?
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 10 minutes ago
The inheritance dwindling thing was just opinion. The only part where I said I'd read something was the grudge between Vivienne and Levy around the injection of funds.
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Let's be honest. All of it is BS. Chef is clown. Constantly tweeting for income. He knows f all.
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 second ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 6 minutes ago
https://x.com/spurstalkshow/status/1965112416364093465?s=4
Agree with this
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Of course you do. It continues to give you somewhere to park your hate now Levy has left the building.
What i would question is, why is Spurs deemed to be "a pig" that needs lipstick applying to it?
And if the Lewis family have no intention of doing anything different, why get rid of Levy?
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Let's be clear here. It's not hate, it's justified discontent at the way ENIC have run Spurs over the years. ENIC were in charge during Levy's tenture and they're in charge after it. THAT's why I'm not singing from the rooftops because ultimately nothing has changed.
Do you honestly think the Lewis family were unhappy with the way Spurs were run under Levy? For 25 years? Seriously? They loved what he did because the profits kept rolling in and he's turned a 60 million club into a 3 billion pound juggernaut. That's why I'm more inclined to believe Levy has gone because it's more personal, something beyond football operations. Perhaps he stood in the way of sponsorship offers feeling we could have got more for them. The Lewis family could be thinking that if we got sponsorship or stadium deals over the line, the need for ENIC funding wouldn't be there. It just seems too convenient to me that just when ENIC have started to need to invest in the club, Levy is now gone. I think they took issue with that and sent him packing.
Also, you're suggesting there's a logical reason behind his sacking, like they've made a sound business decision. Could it not just as easily be a rash, stupid decision by a woman that doesn't like him and is now woefully exposed because of it. Not every decision has logic or reason, however much the club might be dressing this up.
The "pig" comment was referring to the ownership, not the club. In this instance, the pig is ENIC and they've put lipstick on to make themselves appear prettier. It's not a tough analogy to grasp.
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 10 minutes ago
The inheritance dwindling thing was just opinion. The only part where I said I'd read something was the grudge between Vivienne and Levy around the injection of funds.
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Let's be honest. All of it is BS. Chef is clown. Constantly tweeting for income. He knows f all.
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Sure, I get that but it's just as plausible as any of the other theories out there.
I just don't think leopards change their spots so easily. There'll be no one more happy than me if I'm proved wrong and they spend big in January and the summer but at this stage, I have my doubts.
I'm still praying for a sale, personally, and I'm not ruling it out. I think the "not for sale" stuff is just all part of the negotiating tactic. I don't think Staveley's group would have even shown interest were there not some form of encouragement from the club. I'm convinced that's another reason for Levy's departure. that's what I hope anyway.
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
Levy stated two years in the accounts, the club were looking for investment.
He is now not even listed as a director or non executive. He is just the 2nd largest shareholder.
ENIC have stated they are not looking to sell.
The 5th October will reveal more as it is 28 days from yday when the announcement came out about the two different parties putting in offers.
I beleive they have to follow up by the 5th October.
I still think there is more chance right now of Levy selling his shares, rather than the Lewis family selling theirs.
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 second ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 6 minutes ago
https://x.com/spurstalkshow/status/1965112416364093465?s=4
Agree with this
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Of course you do. It continues to give you somewhere to park your hate now Levy has left the building.
What i would question is, why is Spurs deemed to be "a pig" that needs lipstick applying to it?
And if the Lewis family have no intention of doing anything different, why get rid of Levy?
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Let's be clear here. It's not hate, it's justified discontent at the way ENIC have run Spurs over the years. ENIC were in charge during Levy's tenture and they're in charge after it. THAT's why I'm not singing from the rooftops because ultimately nothing has changed.
Do you honestly think the Lewis family were unhappy with the way Spurs were run under Levy? For 25 years? Seriously? They loved what he did because the profits kept rolling in and he's turned a 60 million club into a 3 billion pound juggernaut. That's why I'm more inclined to believe Levy has gone because it's more personal, something beyond football operations. Perhaps he stood in the way of sponsorship offers feeling we could have got more for them. The Lewis family could be thinking that if we got sponsorship or stadium deals over the line, the need for ENIC funding wouldn't be there. It just seems too convenient to me that just when ENIC have started to need to invest in the club, Levy is now gone. I think they took issue with that and sent him packing.
Also, you're suggesting there's a logical reason behind his sacking, like they've made a sound business decision. Could it not just as easily be a rash, stupid decision by a woman that doesn't like him and is now woefully exposed because of it. Not every decision has logic or reason, however much the club might be dressing this up.
The "pig" comment was referring to the ownership, not the club. In this instance, the pig is ENIC and they've put lipstick on to make themselves appear prettier. It's not a tough analogy to grasp.
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I wouldnt say or assume it's a personal thing, more likely a disagreement on how to run/take the club forward. That's what drives business people. They will suck up personal disagreements if it works for them. It has stopped working. Spurs have been going backwards.
The Lewis family will have loved Levy for what he has built THFC into and even the biggest critics will say Levy is an amazing businessman, has done amazing things for the club off the pitch and these are his strengths (& ultimately his legacy). But he has also proven that having delivered us to this brilliant financial position, he hasnt best utilised this strength and shown the skills to take us higher.
I think we all agree that it requires a different approach and while some of that will be more money in, critics also point at many of Levy's other characteristics that are perceived to have held us back - The level of signings, the wages, the protracted negotiating, the slow decision making, the last minute haggling, deadline day deals, pissssing off other chairmen, turnover of footballing staff (inc managers) etc , These are all from Levy's play book and Spurs can do things differently without it just meaning spending lots more money (money is part, but not all).
If you compare to Liverpool historically (not so much this season) they havent really spent much more than us. Their wages are not wildly more than ours (reported about £30m on players, £120m vs £150m) but their decision making the way they get deals done, who they target, how they have sold players, are very different to Levy's Spurs. They built a great team. They spent big on VVD and Allison, but most other deals were in Spurs range £30-50m (Mane, Jota, Salah, Firmino, Robertson, Wijnaldum etc). The plan was driven by what was needed, and not what might fit into fee/wage/age structure that we imposed on ourselves. I always felt that if we had given Jose or Conte 2 really good players, especially 1 top class CB, both would have achieved far more, instead they got more "Spurs type signings". We were also very slow to move on from the Poch old guard. Refreshing and renewing the squad has been an issue and thats often seen as Levy asking too much for players, always looking for value rather than looking to move on and reinvest. Sound finance totally dictating football decisions.
Fans fixate on how much money is spent. Of course it is a factor, but it is as much (if not more) about how the money is spent and the way Levy has spent the vast sums we have earned, and the way he operated, can be questioned.
Even if our budgets don't change, we can make gains by changing how we go about spending our money.
That is what i would expect to see. Continued drive to increase revenues. modest increases in money being made available to spend. A far more focussed and efficient approach to our transfer strategy, more proactive, agile and flexible. More likley to overpay/pay an asking price to get a deal done today than drag it our over a summer. More likely to buy 1 or 2 big names, rather than 4 names with potential. More likely to sell a player for less and move on quickly than stall the whole process.
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
Owners can invest £90m every 3 years within PSR to cover losses.
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 21 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
Lewis barely avoided prison in the USA for stock manipulation (illegal insider trading).
He will sell for the right price.
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It was insider trading where he gave information to friends, associates, lovers even his pilots, to help them make money,
Very different to stock manipulation and kinda contradicts your 'he'll sell at the right price' conclusion.
JL is no longer a person with significant control at ENIC. The bloke's nearly 90, I dont think he's going to be motivated to sell or really have much say in it. His kids (all over 60) are the ones with the control now.
To me this is good news. It points to an ownership who want to take this club to new heights. If they wanted to sell then now would be a great time. Levy gone, Spurs in recovery but look OK and the UCL. all the infrastructure in place and making a ton of money, lots of valuable projects to get off the ground (hotel, resi etc).
I think as a pure investor position if they had no real interest in footballing success then selling now would make a lot of sense. But they have taken a lot of control back so that points to pushing us forward. If they want more and more commercial success, Levy would have stayed.
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If you read what I wrote,.... I said exactly what lewis was guilty of!
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Stock manipulation and insider trading are 2 very different things. I was correctly you, which is particularly relevant where your understanding of them (thinking they are both the same) informed your conclusions on the character and motivations of JL
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I said insider trading....read it!!
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 21 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
Lewis barely avoided prison in the USA for stock manipulation (illegal insider trading).
He will sell for the right price.
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It was insider trading where he gave information to friends, associates, lovers even his pilots, to help them make money,
Very different to stock manipulation and kinda contradicts your 'he'll sell at the right price' conclusion.
JL is no longer a person with significant control at ENIC. The bloke's nearly 90, I dont think he's going to be motivated to sell or really have much say in it. His kids (all over 60) are the ones with the control now.
To me this is good news. It points to an ownership who want to take this club to new heights. If they wanted to sell then now would be a great time. Levy gone, Spurs in recovery but look OK and the UCL. all the infrastructure in place and making a ton of money, lots of valuable projects to get off the ground (hotel, resi etc).
I think as a pure investor position if they had no real interest in footballing success then selling now would make a lot of sense. But they have taken a lot of control back so that points to pushing us forward. If they want more and more commercial success, Levy would have stayed.
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If you read what I wrote,.... I said exactly what lewis was guilty of!
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Stock manipulation and insider trading are 2 very different things. I was correctly you, which is particularly relevant where your understanding of them (thinking they are both the same) informed your conclusions on the character and motivations of JL
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I said insider trading....read it!!
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Yes but you also lead with stock manipulation....and insider trading is not that. Its very different.
You were confused and wrong I corrected you. A thank you will suffice
Ted you effectively listed two different offences which are not particularly related - one of which is what Lewis was guilty of but the other is not. So Devon corrected you.
Lewis did not narrowly avoid prison for stock manipulation, that's all.
I've not followed this conversation in detail, but is the disagreement/correction, not somewhat technical?
To what extent is there agreement between the two positions outlined, rather than disagreement?
posted 2 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 days, 13 hours ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 21 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
Lewis barely avoided prison in the USA for stock manipulation (illegal insider trading).
He will sell for the right price.
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It was insider trading where he gave information to friends, associates, lovers even his pilots, to help them make money,
Very different to stock manipulation and kinda contradicts your 'he'll sell at the right price' conclusion.
JL is no longer a person with significant control at ENIC. The bloke's nearly 90, I dont think he's going to be motivated to sell or really have much say in it. His kids (all over 60) are the ones with the control now.
To me this is good news. It points to an ownership who want to take this club to new heights. If they wanted to sell then now would be a great time. Levy gone, Spurs in recovery but look OK and the UCL. all the infrastructure in place and making a ton of money, lots of valuable projects to get off the ground (hotel, resi etc).
I think as a pure investor position if they had no real interest in footballing success then selling now would make a lot of sense. But they have taken a lot of control back so that points to pushing us forward. If they want more and more commercial success, Levy would have stayed.
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If you read what I wrote,.... I said exactly what lewis was guilty of!
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Stock manipulation and insider trading are 2 very different things. I was correctly you, which is particularly relevant where your understanding of them (thinking they are both the same) informed your conclusions on the character and motivations of JL
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I said insider trading....read it!!
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Yes but you also lead with stock manipulation....and insider trading is not that. Its very different.
You were confused and wrong I corrected you. A thank you will suffice
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Jeeez how stupid can you be?
Stock Manipulation is a general category..
Insider trading is one element of that category.
I gave both the general category and the element in that category.
Can't make it any plainer than that!!
posted 2 weeks, 4 days ago
ENIC out.
posted 2 weeks, 4 days ago
if we'd not lost to Bournemouth, would they still have done it?
posted 2 weeks, 4 days ago
so the vivienne woman is there next to vanai
posted 2 weeks, 4 days ago
he's just a patsy this vanai.
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posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
The inheritance dwindling thing was just opinion. The only part where I said I'd read something was the grudge between Vivienne and Levy around the injection of funds.
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
Fridge, you are entitled to your opinion.....but when its based on the word of some X ITK attention seeker it is barely credible.
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
Fridge, you are entitled to your opinion.....but when its based on the word of some X ITK attention seeker it is barely credible.
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99% of what I've written in my larger post is opinion. The part that refers to the grudge between Levy and Vivienne is just a small fraction of it.
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
https://x.com/spurstalkshow/status/1965112416364093465?s=4
Agree with this
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
Fridge, you are entitled to your opinion.....but when its based on the word of some X ITK attention seeker it is barely credible.
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99% of what I've written in my larger post is opinion. The part that refers to the grudge between Levy and Vivienne is just a small fraction of it.
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Opinion all predicated on a grudge between Levy & Viv Lewis......a grudge which is being reported by someone on X with no proof or links to the club or owners. There isnt even any crumbs of evidence that such a grudge exists, no other reports, leaks, etc.
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 6 minutes ago
https://x.com/spurstalkshow/status/1965112416364093465?s=4
Agree with this
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Of course you do. It continues to give you somewhere to park your hate now Levy has left the building.
What i would question is, why is Spurs deemed to be "a pig" that needs lipstick applying to it?
And if the Lewis family have no intention of doing anything different, why get rid of Levy?
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 10 minutes ago
The inheritance dwindling thing was just opinion. The only part where I said I'd read something was the grudge between Vivienne and Levy around the injection of funds.
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Let's be honest. All of it is BS. Chef is clown. Constantly tweeting for income. He knows f all.
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 second ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 6 minutes ago
https://x.com/spurstalkshow/status/1965112416364093465?s=4
Agree with this
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Of course you do. It continues to give you somewhere to park your hate now Levy has left the building.
What i would question is, why is Spurs deemed to be "a pig" that needs lipstick applying to it?
And if the Lewis family have no intention of doing anything different, why get rid of Levy?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Let's be clear here. It's not hate, it's justified discontent at the way ENIC have run Spurs over the years. ENIC were in charge during Levy's tenture and they're in charge after it. THAT's why I'm not singing from the rooftops because ultimately nothing has changed.
Do you honestly think the Lewis family were unhappy with the way Spurs were run under Levy? For 25 years? Seriously? They loved what he did because the profits kept rolling in and he's turned a 60 million club into a 3 billion pound juggernaut. That's why I'm more inclined to believe Levy has gone because it's more personal, something beyond football operations. Perhaps he stood in the way of sponsorship offers feeling we could have got more for them. The Lewis family could be thinking that if we got sponsorship or stadium deals over the line, the need for ENIC funding wouldn't be there. It just seems too convenient to me that just when ENIC have started to need to invest in the club, Levy is now gone. I think they took issue with that and sent him packing.
Also, you're suggesting there's a logical reason behind his sacking, like they've made a sound business decision. Could it not just as easily be a rash, stupid decision by a woman that doesn't like him and is now woefully exposed because of it. Not every decision has logic or reason, however much the club might be dressing this up.
The "pig" comment was referring to the ownership, not the club. In this instance, the pig is ENIC and they've put lipstick on to make themselves appear prettier. It's not a tough analogy to grasp.
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 10 minutes ago
The inheritance dwindling thing was just opinion. The only part where I said I'd read something was the grudge between Vivienne and Levy around the injection of funds.
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Let's be honest. All of it is BS. Chef is clown. Constantly tweeting for income. He knows f all.
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Sure, I get that but it's just as plausible as any of the other theories out there.
I just don't think leopards change their spots so easily. There'll be no one more happy than me if I'm proved wrong and they spend big in January and the summer but at this stage, I have my doubts.
I'm still praying for a sale, personally, and I'm not ruling it out. I think the "not for sale" stuff is just all part of the negotiating tactic. I don't think Staveley's group would have even shown interest were there not some form of encouragement from the club. I'm convinced that's another reason for Levy's departure. that's what I hope anyway.
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
Levy stated two years in the accounts, the club were looking for investment.
He is now not even listed as a director or non executive. He is just the 2nd largest shareholder.
ENIC have stated they are not looking to sell.
The 5th October will reveal more as it is 28 days from yday when the announcement came out about the two different parties putting in offers.
I beleive they have to follow up by the 5th October.
I still think there is more chance right now of Levy selling his shares, rather than the Lewis family selling theirs.
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 second ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 6 minutes ago
https://x.com/spurstalkshow/status/1965112416364093465?s=4
Agree with this
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Of course you do. It continues to give you somewhere to park your hate now Levy has left the building.
What i would question is, why is Spurs deemed to be "a pig" that needs lipstick applying to it?
And if the Lewis family have no intention of doing anything different, why get rid of Levy?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Let's be clear here. It's not hate, it's justified discontent at the way ENIC have run Spurs over the years. ENIC were in charge during Levy's tenture and they're in charge after it. THAT's why I'm not singing from the rooftops because ultimately nothing has changed.
Do you honestly think the Lewis family were unhappy with the way Spurs were run under Levy? For 25 years? Seriously? They loved what he did because the profits kept rolling in and he's turned a 60 million club into a 3 billion pound juggernaut. That's why I'm more inclined to believe Levy has gone because it's more personal, something beyond football operations. Perhaps he stood in the way of sponsorship offers feeling we could have got more for them. The Lewis family could be thinking that if we got sponsorship or stadium deals over the line, the need for ENIC funding wouldn't be there. It just seems too convenient to me that just when ENIC have started to need to invest in the club, Levy is now gone. I think they took issue with that and sent him packing.
Also, you're suggesting there's a logical reason behind his sacking, like they've made a sound business decision. Could it not just as easily be a rash, stupid decision by a woman that doesn't like him and is now woefully exposed because of it. Not every decision has logic or reason, however much the club might be dressing this up.
The "pig" comment was referring to the ownership, not the club. In this instance, the pig is ENIC and they've put lipstick on to make themselves appear prettier. It's not a tough analogy to grasp.
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I wouldnt say or assume it's a personal thing, more likely a disagreement on how to run/take the club forward. That's what drives business people. They will suck up personal disagreements if it works for them. It has stopped working. Spurs have been going backwards.
The Lewis family will have loved Levy for what he has built THFC into and even the biggest critics will say Levy is an amazing businessman, has done amazing things for the club off the pitch and these are his strengths (& ultimately his legacy). But he has also proven that having delivered us to this brilliant financial position, he hasnt best utilised this strength and shown the skills to take us higher.
I think we all agree that it requires a different approach and while some of that will be more money in, critics also point at many of Levy's other characteristics that are perceived to have held us back - The level of signings, the wages, the protracted negotiating, the slow decision making, the last minute haggling, deadline day deals, pissssing off other chairmen, turnover of footballing staff (inc managers) etc , These are all from Levy's play book and Spurs can do things differently without it just meaning spending lots more money (money is part, but not all).
If you compare to Liverpool historically (not so much this season) they havent really spent much more than us. Their wages are not wildly more than ours (reported about £30m on players, £120m vs £150m) but their decision making the way they get deals done, who they target, how they have sold players, are very different to Levy's Spurs. They built a great team. They spent big on VVD and Allison, but most other deals were in Spurs range £30-50m (Mane, Jota, Salah, Firmino, Robertson, Wijnaldum etc). The plan was driven by what was needed, and not what might fit into fee/wage/age structure that we imposed on ourselves. I always felt that if we had given Jose or Conte 2 really good players, especially 1 top class CB, both would have achieved far more, instead they got more "Spurs type signings". We were also very slow to move on from the Poch old guard. Refreshing and renewing the squad has been an issue and thats often seen as Levy asking too much for players, always looking for value rather than looking to move on and reinvest. Sound finance totally dictating football decisions.
Fans fixate on how much money is spent. Of course it is a factor, but it is as much (if not more) about how the money is spent and the way Levy has spent the vast sums we have earned, and the way he operated, can be questioned.
Even if our budgets don't change, we can make gains by changing how we go about spending our money.
That is what i would expect to see. Continued drive to increase revenues. modest increases in money being made available to spend. A far more focussed and efficient approach to our transfer strategy, more proactive, agile and flexible. More likley to overpay/pay an asking price to get a deal done today than drag it our over a summer. More likely to buy 1 or 2 big names, rather than 4 names with potential. More likely to sell a player for less and move on quickly than stall the whole process.
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
Owners can invest £90m every 3 years within PSR to cover losses.
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 21 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
Lewis barely avoided prison in the USA for stock manipulation (illegal insider trading).
He will sell for the right price.
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It was insider trading where he gave information to friends, associates, lovers even his pilots, to help them make money,
Very different to stock manipulation and kinda contradicts your 'he'll sell at the right price' conclusion.
JL is no longer a person with significant control at ENIC. The bloke's nearly 90, I dont think he's going to be motivated to sell or really have much say in it. His kids (all over 60) are the ones with the control now.
To me this is good news. It points to an ownership who want to take this club to new heights. If they wanted to sell then now would be a great time. Levy gone, Spurs in recovery but look OK and the UCL. all the infrastructure in place and making a ton of money, lots of valuable projects to get off the ground (hotel, resi etc).
I think as a pure investor position if they had no real interest in footballing success then selling now would make a lot of sense. But they have taken a lot of control back so that points to pushing us forward. If they want more and more commercial success, Levy would have stayed.
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If you read what I wrote,.... I said exactly what lewis was guilty of!
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Stock manipulation and insider trading are 2 very different things. I was correctly you, which is particularly relevant where your understanding of them (thinking they are both the same) informed your conclusions on the character and motivations of JL
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I said insider trading....read it!!
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 21 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
Lewis barely avoided prison in the USA for stock manipulation (illegal insider trading).
He will sell for the right price.
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It was insider trading where he gave information to friends, associates, lovers even his pilots, to help them make money,
Very different to stock manipulation and kinda contradicts your 'he'll sell at the right price' conclusion.
JL is no longer a person with significant control at ENIC. The bloke's nearly 90, I dont think he's going to be motivated to sell or really have much say in it. His kids (all over 60) are the ones with the control now.
To me this is good news. It points to an ownership who want to take this club to new heights. If they wanted to sell then now would be a great time. Levy gone, Spurs in recovery but look OK and the UCL. all the infrastructure in place and making a ton of money, lots of valuable projects to get off the ground (hotel, resi etc).
I think as a pure investor position if they had no real interest in footballing success then selling now would make a lot of sense. But they have taken a lot of control back so that points to pushing us forward. If they want more and more commercial success, Levy would have stayed.
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If you read what I wrote,.... I said exactly what lewis was guilty of!
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Stock manipulation and insider trading are 2 very different things. I was correctly you, which is particularly relevant where your understanding of them (thinking they are both the same) informed your conclusions on the character and motivations of JL
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I said insider trading....read it!!
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Yes but you also lead with stock manipulation....and insider trading is not that. Its very different.
You were confused and wrong I corrected you. A thank you will suffice
posted 3 weeks ago
Ted you effectively listed two different offences which are not particularly related - one of which is what Lewis was guilty of but the other is not. So Devon corrected you.
Lewis did not narrowly avoid prison for stock manipulation, that's all.
posted 3 weeks ago
I've not followed this conversation in detail, but is the disagreement/correction, not somewhat technical?
To what extent is there agreement between the two positions outlined, rather than disagreement?
posted 2 weeks, 4 days ago
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Lewis barely avoided prison in the USA for stock manipulation (illegal insider trading).
He will sell for the right price.
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It was insider trading where he gave information to friends, associates, lovers even his pilots, to help them make money,
Very different to stock manipulation and kinda contradicts your 'he'll sell at the right price' conclusion.
JL is no longer a person with significant control at ENIC. The bloke's nearly 90, I dont think he's going to be motivated to sell or really have much say in it. His kids (all over 60) are the ones with the control now.
To me this is good news. It points to an ownership who want to take this club to new heights. If they wanted to sell then now would be a great time. Levy gone, Spurs in recovery but look OK and the UCL. all the infrastructure in place and making a ton of money, lots of valuable projects to get off the ground (hotel, resi etc).
I think as a pure investor position if they had no real interest in footballing success then selling now would make a lot of sense. But they have taken a lot of control back so that points to pushing us forward. If they want more and more commercial success, Levy would have stayed.
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If you read what I wrote,.... I said exactly what lewis was guilty of!
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Stock manipulation and insider trading are 2 very different things. I was correctly you, which is particularly relevant where your understanding of them (thinking they are both the same) informed your conclusions on the character and motivations of JL
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I said insider trading....read it!!
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Yes but you also lead with stock manipulation....and insider trading is not that. Its very different.
You were confused and wrong I corrected you. A thank you will suffice
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Jeeez how stupid can you be?
Stock Manipulation is a general category..
Insider trading is one element of that category.
I gave both the general category and the element in that category.
Can't make it any plainer than that!!
posted 2 weeks, 4 days ago
ENIC out.
posted 2 weeks, 4 days ago
if we'd not lost to Bournemouth, would they still have done it?
posted 2 weeks, 4 days ago
so the vivienne woman is there next to vanai
posted 2 weeks, 4 days ago
he's just a patsy this vanai.
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