I wouldn't disagree and don't shoot me down for this but he would have displayed true leadership if he'd took the iniative and stood down. It would have done him better as well because the FA making the decision shades an element of guilt on him that is unfair. It would have also kept Capello in a job and given England a chance in the summer. We are no in disaray because of JT. It didn't have to be like this but because of whatever he did or didn't do we are now in the position we are in. I don't find that courageous. I call if selfish. Sometimes you need to take a step back and think of others.
It's unfair to expect Terry to step down. He's only a football player afterall, not some politican who would step down and have his palm greased on the way out as is typically the process. How many chances do you get in a short career to represent your country? The FA have screwed this up royally, starting with undermining Capello.
Good, wouldn't want Terry anywhere near the england team
I couldn't care. Have no interest in our national team. I think Harry deserves better than the England job, if I was him I'd stay at Spurs. And I beleive JT is a Chelsea player and as long as plays well for chelsea, I couldnt care.
The emphasis put on our captaincy, the idoiocy of our press, the loving of idiots such as Steevie and Rio, are three of a million reasons why I can't stand international football.
The emphasis put on our captaincy, the idoiocy of our press, the loving of idiots such as Steevie and Rio, are three of a million reasons why I can't stand international football.
^This
I think the FA took too long to make a decision they had to take. What suprises me is they didn't speak to JT and arrange something suitable for both ie JT stepping down. By not stepping down JT has done himself, his country and his national manager no good. I know it would be hard to do but the reallity is it would have been better for everyone if he had.
Going back to why the FA had to do what they did. If they didn't and he was found guilty they would be lambasted from here to eternity for letting a racist captain the national team when they knew there was a trial hanging over him and a possibility he would be found guilty. I don't often back the FA but on this they did what had to be done. Just not quick enough or in the right way.
I think there is someone who needs to show true leadership and initiative and stop trying to slate Terry in every comment their make. It would have done him better as well because the FA and legal authorities make the decisions, and not members of a football forum.
Sometimes you need to take a step back and think of others, they might be bored of reading the same drivel about the same topic.
I wouldn't disagree and don't shoot me down for this but he would have displayed true leadership if he'd took the iniative and stood down. It would have done him better as well because the FA making the decision shades an element of guilt on him that is unfair. It would have also kept Capello in a job and given England a chance in the summer. We are no in disaray because of JT. It didn't have to be like this but because of whatever he did or didn't do we are now in the position we are in. I don't find that courageous. I call if selfish. Sometimes you need to take a step back and think of others.
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Load of bull. If you were sure you were innocent, would you step down? lose everything you worked for because of a false allegation?!! especially when your own managers(club and nation) do not want you to. Think about that
If he is innocent, JT is 1000000% right to stick to his guns.
If I made a random accusation against the next england captain and reported my complaint to the police, regardless of how unsubstantiated it is, should he resign.
The manager should be the most powerful guy at the club, one of the few things i agree with fergie about.
Whilst I;d also say the emphasis we put on the captaincy is hilariously ott. No wonder we suck.
Don't read it then steryd. We are discussing the England managers sacking that occurred in the last hour. And the reasons behind it. I don't have any issue with JT. He has been charged with a criminal offence fact and will face a trial in July. His actions have totally messed up the structure of the England team going in to a major tournament fact. It didn't need to be like this and ultimately no one comes out of it well. Which is a shame.
carrickature (U12844)
I think you asking a lot for a football player to see it the same was as a politician, certainly without anyone consulting him on the best action to take and the bigger picture. I am also not convinced that the England captain should be required to act as we expect politicians to act.
But for what you suggest to even have had a chance of happening, then the FA should have met with Terry the very moment the CPS decided to charge him, and explain to him as best they could why such a decision would be prudent for all parties concerned.
Just putting Terry aside for the moment, whilst I accept the whole situation has been difficult for the FA, they method of managing the situation and their communication and method of decision making has been truly appaling
Load of bull. If you were sure you were innocent, would you step down? lose everything you worked for because of a false allegation?!! especially when your own managers(club and nation) do not want you to. Think about that
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With the allegation hanging over him his position was untenable, innocent or not he should have taken the decision to step down until the trial.
Going back to why the FA had to do what they did. If they didn't and he was found guilty they would be lambasted from here to eternity for letting a racist captain the national team
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Being guilty of racial abuse doesn't make one a racist!!
It does if you are JT
But not if your Suarez...
Can't you see the FA had no choice. They had to get rid. As for JT. I totally understand why he didn't want to step down but by not doing it all this has happened and it took the power away from him. Now he is a suspect in a racism case who has been stripped of the England captaincy. Whatever happens he was never going to play for England anyway so if he had taken control he could have been a suspect in a racism case who has resigned from England duty to clear his name and take the pressure of the players and country he loves. Sounds better doesn't it?
With the allegation hanging over him his position was untenable, innocent or not he should have taken the decision to step down until the trial.
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Even with the manager telling you to stay on and your gut instinct telling you that you are innocent?!!! Seriously?!!!!
With the allegation hanging over him his position was untenable, innocent or not he should have taken the decision to step down until the trial.
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Cpataincy shmaptaincy...who cares.
Just give it to the guy who has the most caps...
Ashley Cole?
Being guilty of racial abuse doesn't make one a racist!!
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According to Evra and the FA, but in the general population's eyes? I'm not so sure.
Being guilty of racial abuse doesn't make one a racist!!
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Really? What does then. I think that's very ill informed. You use a racist tone and words that he has been accused of and you're a racist. Same with Suerez. They are derogatory words that a person with no racist tendancies would'nt make.
Sounds better doesn't it?
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But to him, there was a chance the FA could stand firmly behind him and he had every right to hope for such
Is there even a mechanism for Terry to "step down"? Again, he's just a player afterall. It's not like they've picked the England team yet. Maybe he could say he's not making himself available for selection, but this has all happened quickly during the business end of the club season. Maybe he's concentrating on Cheslea and hasn't been involved in any discussions with the FA and Capello.
Lets get this straight....
WHY DOES THE CAPTAIN HAVE TO HAVE IMPECCABLE MORALS?
He is not representing our country by being captain of England FC.....
He represents a bunch of uneducated millionaires
Why should I feel a relation to Wooney
Or support a team due to the fact they all come from a relativley close geographical location to my house..
Why is the captaincy such a big issue?
And also if he wanted to represent our country...why should he be morally perfect...no one is...like every human being...the England captain has flaws.
Just like beating one man who happens to be gay doesn't make you guilty of a hate crime. you need to do such at least twice for such allegations to come up
And football is a trivial game.....big deal
His actions have totally messed up the structure of the England team going in to a major tournament fact.
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His 'actions' were pleading not guilty to a racist charge, being consistent with the plea he did not step down from captaincy, and did not refuse to play for England.
Face the truth, it was not his actions that caused this havoc, it was the media's coverage of it, and the way that the FA bent over to satisfy them, as usual. The situation is not dissimilar to what happened before the World Cup 2010. It's quite ironic, if England fail once again, people will realise in hindsight, just as they did two years ago, that it's not the players to blame for all the pressure and hype before the major tournament.
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posted on 8/2/12
I wouldn't disagree and don't shoot me down for this but he would have displayed true leadership if he'd took the iniative and stood down. It would have done him better as well because the FA making the decision shades an element of guilt on him that is unfair. It would have also kept Capello in a job and given England a chance in the summer. We are no in disaray because of JT. It didn't have to be like this but because of whatever he did or didn't do we are now in the position we are in. I don't find that courageous. I call if selfish. Sometimes you need to take a step back and think of others.
posted on 8/2/12
It's unfair to expect Terry to step down. He's only a football player afterall, not some politican who would step down and have his palm greased on the way out as is typically the process. How many chances do you get in a short career to represent your country? The FA have screwed this up royally, starting with undermining Capello.
posted on 8/2/12
Good, wouldn't want Terry anywhere near the england team
posted on 8/2/12
I couldn't care. Have no interest in our national team. I think Harry deserves better than the England job, if I was him I'd stay at Spurs. And I beleive JT is a Chelsea player and as long as plays well for chelsea, I couldnt care.
The emphasis put on our captaincy, the idoiocy of our press, the loving of idiots such as Steevie and Rio, are three of a million reasons why I can't stand international football.
posted on 8/2/12
The emphasis put on our captaincy, the idoiocy of our press, the loving of idiots such as Steevie and Rio, are three of a million reasons why I can't stand international football.
^This
posted on 8/2/12
I think the FA took too long to make a decision they had to take. What suprises me is they didn't speak to JT and arrange something suitable for both ie JT stepping down. By not stepping down JT has done himself, his country and his national manager no good. I know it would be hard to do but the reallity is it would have been better for everyone if he had.
Going back to why the FA had to do what they did. If they didn't and he was found guilty they would be lambasted from here to eternity for letting a racist captain the national team when they knew there was a trial hanging over him and a possibility he would be found guilty. I don't often back the FA but on this they did what had to be done. Just not quick enough or in the right way.
posted on 8/2/12
I think there is someone who needs to show true leadership and initiative and stop trying to slate Terry in every comment their make. It would have done him better as well because the FA and legal authorities make the decisions, and not members of a football forum.
Sometimes you need to take a step back and think of others, they might be bored of reading the same drivel about the same topic.
posted on 8/2/12
I wouldn't disagree and don't shoot me down for this but he would have displayed true leadership if he'd took the iniative and stood down. It would have done him better as well because the FA making the decision shades an element of guilt on him that is unfair. It would have also kept Capello in a job and given England a chance in the summer. We are no in disaray because of JT. It didn't have to be like this but because of whatever he did or didn't do we are now in the position we are in. I don't find that courageous. I call if selfish. Sometimes you need to take a step back and think of others.
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Load of bull. If you were sure you were innocent, would you step down? lose everything you worked for because of a false allegation?!! especially when your own managers(club and nation) do not want you to. Think about that
posted on 8/2/12
If he is innocent, JT is 1000000% right to stick to his guns.
If I made a random accusation against the next england captain and reported my complaint to the police, regardless of how unsubstantiated it is, should he resign.
The manager should be the most powerful guy at the club, one of the few things i agree with fergie about.
Whilst I;d also say the emphasis we put on the captaincy is hilariously ott. No wonder we suck.
posted on 8/2/12
Don't read it then steryd. We are discussing the England managers sacking that occurred in the last hour. And the reasons behind it. I don't have any issue with JT. He has been charged with a criminal offence fact and will face a trial in July. His actions have totally messed up the structure of the England team going in to a major tournament fact. It didn't need to be like this and ultimately no one comes out of it well. Which is a shame.
posted on 8/2/12
carrickature (U12844)
I think you asking a lot for a football player to see it the same was as a politician, certainly without anyone consulting him on the best action to take and the bigger picture. I am also not convinced that the England captain should be required to act as we expect politicians to act.
But for what you suggest to even have had a chance of happening, then the FA should have met with Terry the very moment the CPS decided to charge him, and explain to him as best they could why such a decision would be prudent for all parties concerned.
Just putting Terry aside for the moment, whilst I accept the whole situation has been difficult for the FA, they method of managing the situation and their communication and method of decision making has been truly appaling
posted on 8/2/12
Load of bull. If you were sure you were innocent, would you step down? lose everything you worked for because of a false allegation?!! especially when your own managers(club and nation) do not want you to. Think about that
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With the allegation hanging over him his position was untenable, innocent or not he should have taken the decision to step down until the trial.
posted on 8/2/12
Going back to why the FA had to do what they did. If they didn't and he was found guilty they would be lambasted from here to eternity for letting a racist captain the national team
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Being guilty of racial abuse doesn't make one a racist!!
posted on 8/2/12
It does if you are JT
But not if your Suarez...
posted on 8/2/12
Can't you see the FA had no choice. They had to get rid. As for JT. I totally understand why he didn't want to step down but by not doing it all this has happened and it took the power away from him. Now he is a suspect in a racism case who has been stripped of the England captaincy. Whatever happens he was never going to play for England anyway so if he had taken control he could have been a suspect in a racism case who has resigned from England duty to clear his name and take the pressure of the players and country he loves. Sounds better doesn't it?
posted on 8/2/12
With the allegation hanging over him his position was untenable, innocent or not he should have taken the decision to step down until the trial.
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Even with the manager telling you to stay on and your gut instinct telling you that you are innocent?!!! Seriously?!!!!
posted on 8/2/12
With the allegation hanging over him his position was untenable, innocent or not he should have taken the decision to step down until the trial.
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Cpataincy shmaptaincy...who cares.
Just give it to the guy who has the most caps...
Ashley Cole?
posted on 8/2/12
Being guilty of racial abuse doesn't make one a racist!!
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According to Evra and the FA, but in the general population's eyes? I'm not so sure.
posted on 8/2/12
Being guilty of racial abuse doesn't make one a racist!!
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Really? What does then. I think that's very ill informed. You use a racist tone and words that he has been accused of and you're a racist. Same with Suerez. They are derogatory words that a person with no racist tendancies would'nt make.
posted on 8/2/12
Sounds better doesn't it?
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But to him, there was a chance the FA could stand firmly behind him and he had every right to hope for such
posted on 8/2/12
Is there even a mechanism for Terry to "step down"? Again, he's just a player afterall. It's not like they've picked the England team yet. Maybe he could say he's not making himself available for selection, but this has all happened quickly during the business end of the club season. Maybe he's concentrating on Cheslea and hasn't been involved in any discussions with the FA and Capello.
posted on 8/2/12
Lets get this straight....
WHY DOES THE CAPTAIN HAVE TO HAVE IMPECCABLE MORALS?
He is not representing our country by being captain of England FC.....
He represents a bunch of uneducated millionaires
Why should I feel a relation to Wooney
Or support a team due to the fact they all come from a relativley close geographical location to my house..
Why is the captaincy such a big issue?
And also if he wanted to represent our country...why should he be morally perfect...no one is...like every human being...the England captain has flaws.
posted on 8/2/12
Just like beating one man who happens to be gay doesn't make you guilty of a hate crime. you need to do such at least twice for such allegations to come up
posted on 8/2/12
And football is a trivial game.....big deal
posted on 8/2/12
His actions have totally messed up the structure of the England team going in to a major tournament fact.
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His 'actions' were pleading not guilty to a racist charge, being consistent with the plea he did not step down from captaincy, and did not refuse to play for England.
Face the truth, it was not his actions that caused this havoc, it was the media's coverage of it, and the way that the FA bent over to satisfy them, as usual. The situation is not dissimilar to what happened before the World Cup 2010. It's quite ironic, if England fail once again, people will realise in hindsight, just as they did two years ago, that it's not the players to blame for all the pressure and hype before the major tournament.
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