Which English manager can take over? The FA has to accept that English managers are crap.
Henderson and Gerrard have been brilliant in a midfield three. What did they get? A midfield two that left them exposed."
TonyBarretTimes: Barkley's biggest strength is his fearlessness & willingness to run at players. What did he get? Told to take fewer risks."
TonyBarretTimes: Baines is a great player. His biggest strength is overlapping. What does he get? A system that restricts his ability to get forward.
@TonyBarretTimes: Sterling shone as a number ten in the first game. What did he get in game two? Shifted out wide & his impact greater reduced."
@TonyBarretTimes: You could go on & on.The players have to take their share of responsibility but the biggest issue is strengths being turned into weaknesses."
Has there been genuine progress since hodgson has been appointed? Not at all for me, he keeps faith in garbage like welbeck, henderson and baines they aint international standard players
why do England fans always ask the question 'is x the one to take us to glory at x competition?' as if we(England) are harvesting an abundance of future superstars who should be brushing aside blatantly superior teams like Italy, Holland, Germany and Spain at the Euros in 2016...?
He is not going to be sacked, the FA are backing him to bring through the young players, which he isdoing well, but the problem with Hodgson is his match tactics and game management..................he just does not have anything special about him in that regard
I'm not sure any manager is going to greatly improve England, even though I think Hodgson should sling his hook. There are fundamental problems in this country with the quality of players we produce and the amount of them available. Until that changes then any manager is going to struggle to motivate England into looking like a decent outfit.
Roy is tactically not good enough. His team selection is bizarre at times. He doesn't look someone who can inspire whole squad when team is in trouble. (I don't wana listen he is experienced, respected well bla bla, that's BS).
He listens to media too much, almost picks up every player who is media's darling. If he had balllls he would have taken Cole, Terry's situation is different.
Fact is, there are not good English managers around who can take on this job (may be Arry is an exception). FA doesn't want foreign boss it seems.
I don't why Eng team never looks like one unit unlike other teams....why no team spirit? whole affair is in shiitt state.
Obviously any manager that comes in wont make us winners, but a younger more vobrant attacking manager would be nice, hodgsob is far to conservative
I don't think Hodgson has done badly by any means, but I never wanted him in the first-place, so in that respect, I would be happy to see him go - providing, of course, we find a suitable replacement.
Even before the World Cup, I wanted him to leave. Watching us get overrun by teams like Montenegro and Ukraine was just painful. People always point to the players as being the ones who have underperformed, but I think some blame has to be attributed to the manager.
Time and time again, he picks an unbalanced team with players playing out of their natural positions, and then people wonder why said players aren't performing like they are at club-level.
We (England) are average as a team. We always will be, until we produce the kind of players we see supporting and providing the likes of sturridge and sterling at liverpool, ie: suarez etc. Regardless of what manager england has, we will always play the same predictable way. Our young attackers look great in the premiership because of their foreign counterparts. If you made england play as a premiership team, we would be mid table at best. Why are we not producing players with the mentality to think ahead like suarez, instead of a team all behind the ball, slow build up play. Giving opposition teams time to condense and sure up defence. Until we we change this mentality we are stuffed regardless of manager.
"If you made england play as a premiership team, we would be mid table at best."
Thought England last night was exactly like watching a PL table 'middle third' team play.
Replace him with Brendan Rodgers and build a team
Definitely not, probably the worst thing about losing yesterday was having to listen to people ringing up and saying that Harry should have been made England manager in the first place, no Roy.
Roy brought roughly the squad that people wanted, he gave youth a chance with exciting young attacking players and was far more adventurous than we anticipated.
I think a big issue currently is simply a lack of quality. We don't have an outstanding central midfielder, not even one defensively minded player in the middle (you could make a case for Barry this season). That coupled with two defensively poor fullbacks and an average centre back pairing was always going to leave us exposed.
I do think Roy was at fault for not playing a midfield 3 to combat this problem, but that was never going to happen with the Rooney/Sturridge conundrum. Had he dropped either of those two and lost/drawn either match, the media outcry would have been enormous.
As already said, the driving forces behind the top PL sides this season have not been England players. Brasil 2014 is laying the fact bare.
He doesn't have ballls of steel to drop Rooney. That's the fact.
I would keep him and feel very sorry for him. I'd have actually preferred it if we had set up in his previous style rather than the 4231, but seeing as 95% of fNs wanted us to set up the way we have done, I don't really see how they then blame him for what has ultimately been poor defensive lapses and poor finishing in both games.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 35 seconds ago
I would keep him and feel very sorry for him. I'd have actually preferred it if we had set up in his previous style rather than the 4231, but seeing as 95% of fNs wanted us to set up the way we have done, I don't really see how they then blame him for what has ultimately been poor defensive lapses and poor finishing in both games.
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Yes RDBD,
That's good point.
Liverpool - Suarez
City - Toure, Aguero, Silva, Dzeko
Chelsea - Hazard, Oscar
Arsenal - Giroud, Ozil, Ramsey
Everton - Lukaku
Top teams in PL rely on foreign players to carry their clubs to glory. Where as other clubs, Barcelona, German teams have far better talent from their own country. This is a big difference.
comment by mashipx - blue 4 life (U5007)
posted 11 minutes ago
We (England) are average as a team. We always will be, until we produce the kind of players we see supporting and providing the likes of sturridge and sterling at liverpool, ie: suarez etc. Regardless of what manager england has, we will always play the same predictable way. Our young attackers look great in the premiership because of their foreign counterparts. If you made england play as a premiership team, we would be mid table at best. Why are we not producing players with the mentality to think ahead like suarez, instead of a team all behind the ball, slow build up play. Giving opposition teams time to condense and sure up defence. Until we we change this mentality we are stuffed regardless of manager.
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Not sure people get what it means to have a young and energetic manager. He had to go the instant he deemed Rooney and Gerrard irreplaceable because he is going to have to let go of that generation completely.
I believe this squad is more talented than the so called "golden generation". We have talentedplayers in those positions it has been lacking for years. They are going to need to grow together. Germany in 2010 should be what is being targeted were everybody will be totallty questioning the idea of youth. That is what England needs. Most teams do from time to time.
Also I can say without a doubt this team managed by say Brendan Rodgers would be twice the team. This should be obvious to all, at least Liverpool fans. Why not get someone with a similar style regardless of reputation (which would not matter if the team was a young one) and start a great experiment.
"Also I can say without a doubt this team managed by say Brendan Rodgers would be twice the team. This should be obvious to all, at least Liverpool fans"
It's not obvious to me, and I'm a massive fan of Rodgers. We set up with an attacking line up in both games, contrary to what some people think on here, and actually could do with being more conservative. I'm not sure how people think Rodgers style of play in terms of defensive transition and line would suit who we have available at international level.
playing a clearly over the hill gerrard and an out of their debth henderson and welbeck should seal roys faith
comment by The RDBD (demoted to supporting the team manag... (U1062)
posted 17 minutes ago
As already said, the driving forces behind the top PL sides this season have not been England players. Brasil 2014 is laying the fact bare.
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What about Liverpool, surely they counter your claim?
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 5 minutes ago
"Also I can say without a doubt this team managed by say Brendan Rodgers would be twice the team. This should be obvious to all, at least Liverpool fans"
It's not obvious to me, and I'm a massive fan of Rodgers. We set up with an attacking line up in both games, contrary to what some people think on here, and actually could do with being more conservative. I'm not sure how people think Rodgers style of play in terms of defensive transition and line would suit who we have available at international level.
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If you are such a fan, you will know there is a difference between putting attacking players out there and being attacking as a team. The formation played did not suit the players he put out there. They had the skill but not the tactics to use it right. Pound for pound this squad is arguably better than Liverpool (Suarez aside) at least talentwise. Is it wrong to expect a performance at least with half the potency Liverpool showed?
Another manager will get more out of these players and until we have found one who can, there is point in hoping for the best. That applies to clubs too.
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posted on 20/6/14
Which English manager can take over? The FA has to accept that English managers are crap.
posted on 20/6/14
Henderson and Gerrard have been brilliant in a midfield three. What did they get? A midfield two that left them exposed."
TonyBarretTimes: Barkley's biggest strength is his fearlessness & willingness to run at players. What did he get? Told to take fewer risks."
TonyBarretTimes: Baines is a great player. His biggest strength is overlapping. What does he get? A system that restricts his ability to get forward.
@TonyBarretTimes: Sterling shone as a number ten in the first game. What did he get in game two? Shifted out wide & his impact greater reduced."
@TonyBarretTimes: You could go on & on.The players have to take their share of responsibility but the biggest issue is strengths being turned into weaknesses."
posted on 20/6/14
Has there been genuine progress since hodgson has been appointed? Not at all for me, he keeps faith in garbage like welbeck, henderson and baines they aint international standard players
posted on 20/6/14
why do England fans always ask the question 'is x the one to take us to glory at x competition?' as if we(England) are harvesting an abundance of future superstars who should be brushing aside blatantly superior teams like Italy, Holland, Germany and Spain at the Euros in 2016...?
posted on 20/6/14
He is not going to be sacked, the FA are backing him to bring through the young players, which he isdoing well, but the problem with Hodgson is his match tactics and game management..................he just does not have anything special about him in that regard
posted on 20/6/14
I'm not sure any manager is going to greatly improve England, even though I think Hodgson should sling his hook. There are fundamental problems in this country with the quality of players we produce and the amount of them available. Until that changes then any manager is going to struggle to motivate England into looking like a decent outfit.
posted on 20/6/14
Tony Barrett spot on
posted on 20/6/14
Roy is tactically not good enough. His team selection is bizarre at times. He doesn't look someone who can inspire whole squad when team is in trouble. (I don't wana listen he is experienced, respected well bla bla, that's BS).
He listens to media too much, almost picks up every player who is media's darling. If he had balllls he would have taken Cole, Terry's situation is different.
Fact is, there are not good English managers around who can take on this job (may be Arry is an exception). FA doesn't want foreign boss it seems.
I don't why Eng team never looks like one unit unlike other teams....why no team spirit? whole affair is in shiitt state.
posted on 20/6/14
Obviously any manager that comes in wont make us winners, but a younger more vobrant attacking manager would be nice, hodgsob is far to conservative
posted on 20/6/14
I don't think Hodgson has done badly by any means, but I never wanted him in the first-place, so in that respect, I would be happy to see him go - providing, of course, we find a suitable replacement.
Even before the World Cup, I wanted him to leave. Watching us get overrun by teams like Montenegro and Ukraine was just painful. People always point to the players as being the ones who have underperformed, but I think some blame has to be attributed to the manager.
Time and time again, he picks an unbalanced team with players playing out of their natural positions, and then people wonder why said players aren't performing like they are at club-level.
posted on 20/6/14
We (England) are average as a team. We always will be, until we produce the kind of players we see supporting and providing the likes of sturridge and sterling at liverpool, ie: suarez etc. Regardless of what manager england has, we will always play the same predictable way. Our young attackers look great in the premiership because of their foreign counterparts. If you made england play as a premiership team, we would be mid table at best. Why are we not producing players with the mentality to think ahead like suarez, instead of a team all behind the ball, slow build up play. Giving opposition teams time to condense and sure up defence. Until we we change this mentality we are stuffed regardless of manager.
posted on 20/6/14
"If you made england play as a premiership team, we would be mid table at best."
Thought England last night was exactly like watching a PL table 'middle third' team play.
posted on 20/6/14
Replace him with Brendan Rodgers and build a team
posted on 20/6/14
Definitely not, probably the worst thing about losing yesterday was having to listen to people ringing up and saying that Harry should have been made England manager in the first place, no Roy.
Roy brought roughly the squad that people wanted, he gave youth a chance with exciting young attacking players and was far more adventurous than we anticipated.
I think a big issue currently is simply a lack of quality. We don't have an outstanding central midfielder, not even one defensively minded player in the middle (you could make a case for Barry this season). That coupled with two defensively poor fullbacks and an average centre back pairing was always going to leave us exposed.
I do think Roy was at fault for not playing a midfield 3 to combat this problem, but that was never going to happen with the Rooney/Sturridge conundrum. Had he dropped either of those two and lost/drawn either match, the media outcry would have been enormous.
posted on 20/6/14
As already said, the driving forces behind the top PL sides this season have not been England players. Brasil 2014 is laying the fact bare.
posted on 20/6/14
He doesn't have ballls of steel to drop Rooney. That's the fact.
posted on 20/6/14
I would keep him and feel very sorry for him. I'd have actually preferred it if we had set up in his previous style rather than the 4231, but seeing as 95% of fNs wanted us to set up the way we have done, I don't really see how they then blame him for what has ultimately been poor defensive lapses and poor finishing in both games.
posted on 20/6/14
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 35 seconds ago
I would keep him and feel very sorry for him. I'd have actually preferred it if we had set up in his previous style rather than the 4231, but seeing as 95% of fNs wanted us to set up the way we have done, I don't really see how they then blame him for what has ultimately been poor defensive lapses and poor finishing in both games.
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posted on 20/6/14
Yes RDBD,
That's good point.
Liverpool - Suarez
City - Toure, Aguero, Silva, Dzeko
Chelsea - Hazard, Oscar
Arsenal - Giroud, Ozil, Ramsey
Everton - Lukaku
Top teams in PL rely on foreign players to carry their clubs to glory. Where as other clubs, Barcelona, German teams have far better talent from their own country. This is a big difference.
posted on 20/6/14
comment by mashipx - blue 4 life (U5007)
posted 11 minutes ago
We (England) are average as a team. We always will be, until we produce the kind of players we see supporting and providing the likes of sturridge and sterling at liverpool, ie: suarez etc. Regardless of what manager england has, we will always play the same predictable way. Our young attackers look great in the premiership because of their foreign counterparts. If you made england play as a premiership team, we would be mid table at best. Why are we not producing players with the mentality to think ahead like suarez, instead of a team all behind the ball, slow build up play. Giving opposition teams time to condense and sure up defence. Until we we change this mentality we are stuffed regardless of manager.
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posted on 20/6/14
Not sure people get what it means to have a young and energetic manager. He had to go the instant he deemed Rooney and Gerrard irreplaceable because he is going to have to let go of that generation completely.
I believe this squad is more talented than the so called "golden generation". We have talentedplayers in those positions it has been lacking for years. They are going to need to grow together. Germany in 2010 should be what is being targeted were everybody will be totallty questioning the idea of youth. That is what England needs. Most teams do from time to time.
Also I can say without a doubt this team managed by say Brendan Rodgers would be twice the team. This should be obvious to all, at least Liverpool fans. Why not get someone with a similar style regardless of reputation (which would not matter if the team was a young one) and start a great experiment.
posted on 20/6/14
"Also I can say without a doubt this team managed by say Brendan Rodgers would be twice the team. This should be obvious to all, at least Liverpool fans"
It's not obvious to me, and I'm a massive fan of Rodgers. We set up with an attacking line up in both games, contrary to what some people think on here, and actually could do with being more conservative. I'm not sure how people think Rodgers style of play in terms of defensive transition and line would suit who we have available at international level.
posted on 20/6/14
playing a clearly over the hill gerrard and an out of their debth henderson and welbeck should seal roys faith
posted on 20/6/14
comment by The RDBD (demoted to supporting the team manag... (U1062)
posted 17 minutes ago
As already said, the driving forces behind the top PL sides this season have not been England players. Brasil 2014 is laying the fact bare.
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What about Liverpool, surely they counter your claim?
posted on 20/6/14
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 5 minutes ago
"Also I can say without a doubt this team managed by say Brendan Rodgers would be twice the team. This should be obvious to all, at least Liverpool fans"
It's not obvious to me, and I'm a massive fan of Rodgers. We set up with an attacking line up in both games, contrary to what some people think on here, and actually could do with being more conservative. I'm not sure how people think Rodgers style of play in terms of defensive transition and line would suit who we have available at international level.
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If you are such a fan, you will know there is a difference between putting attacking players out there and being attacking as a team. The formation played did not suit the players he put out there. They had the skill but not the tactics to use it right. Pound for pound this squad is arguably better than Liverpool (Suarez aside) at least talentwise. Is it wrong to expect a performance at least with half the potency Liverpool showed?
Another manager will get more out of these players and until we have found one who can, there is point in hoping for the best. That applies to clubs too.
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