comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 1 minute ago
It's also worth mentioning that after episode 5, it seems Ahsoka has levelled up even more. I think Ahsoka the white is on another level to current Luke.
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So all she had to do was change her Clothes to white… levelled up you say… I see.
Well, I’ll still take Luke Skywalker the Black.

comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 4 minutes ago
Luke after the Thrawn trilogy beats everyone though. By that time, he's faced a few more battles, had encounters with other powerful force users and his knowledge of the force has been deepended tremendously.
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Yeah I agree with this, Luke becomes the most powerful Jedi of all time. I just don't think he's there yet, whilst Ahsoka is one of the most battle hardened Jedi of all time

Luke's my favourite SW character, so it pains me to say these things but I have to pay homage and respect to those that came before him. These were jedi and force users that weren't just keepers of the peace, they were warriors, battle tested to the limits and their abilities honed and sharpened in actual life and death situations.

It's ironic because the jedi/sith during the Old Republic would probably be superior to those in the CW, with the exception of a few highly powerful jedi like Yoda and Windu.

comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 1 minute ago
It's also worth mentioning that after episode 5, it seems Ahsoka has levelled up even more. I think Ahsoka the white is on another level to current Luke.
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So all she had to do was change her Clothes to white… levelled up you say… I see.
Well, I’ll still take Luke Skywalker the Black.
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I'm firmly against race swapping established characters.

Who wins:

Prime Luke vs Prime Sidious.

Luke is Not my favourite SW character, but even as battle hardened as these legends were, I cant get past the idea that these characters could beat the son of Skywalker..

comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 1 minute ago
It's also worth mentioning that after episode 5, it seems Ahsoka has levelled up even more. I think Ahsoka the white is on another level to current Luke.
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So all she had to do was change her Clothes to white… levelled up you say… I see.
Well, I’ll still take Luke Skywalker the Black.
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I'm firmly against race swapping established characters.
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Ha! Would you look at that… didn’t even notice

And also I think people are forgetting how young Luke is. In Boba he is what maybe 26/27? Had a few months of training with Yoda, and started rebuilding a zealot organisation based off of very few resources, hearsay, and a couple of books he has managed to scrounge as the rest were destroyed. At the same time as mentioned above he is probably also pretty prominent in helping his sister and a few others try to rebuild/stabilise a galactic empire. His studies would have taken massive hits here too. Yes in his late 30s and 40s he will be the most powerful Jedi that is known, but at this moment he is super super green and the PM of the project even he is unsure of

comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 6 minutes ago
Luke is Not my favourite SW character, but even as battle hardened as these legends were, I cant get past the idea that these characters could beat the son of Skywalker..
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It's all a matter of timing.

These legends beat the Luke we currently have.
Luke beats them when he reaches his prime.

The only thing that Super super Green with Luke Skywalker is the LightSaber he constructed.
Even his father was impressed.
Luke ain’t got any qualms decapitating people.
You say he can’t use the Darkside, cos he’s a Jedi.
I’m telling you he’s in control of it, and can tap into it, if need be. He has the Balance right… and that makes for a very dangerous person.
A cheat code if you will..

comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 6 minutes ago
Luke is Not my favourite SW character, but even as battle hardened as these legends were, I cant get past the idea that these characters could beat the son of Skywalker..
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Most would tbh and easily for say maybe the first decade after return. All the highlevel masters and these are ones who have had years of training with other masters. Like even Ob1 is considered a "junior" master throughout ep1-3 (he's 38 in Ep3).

comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 1 minute ago
The only thing that Super super Green with Luke Skywalker is the LightSaber he constructed.
Even his father was impressed.
Luke ain’t got any qualms decapitating people.
You say he can’t use the Darkside, cos he’s a Jedi.
I’m telling you he’s in control of it, and can tap into it, if need be. He has the Balance right… and that makes for a very dangerous person.
A cheat code if you will..
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Not at the end of return he isn't - you are talking about a Luke ~15 years after the fact, which everyone here is agreeing with. However go watch Boba, Luke +5 years is uncertain and has no idea wtf he is doing

comment by Simon West (U1830)
posted 8 minutes ago
And also I think people are forgetting how young Luke is. In Boba he is what maybe 26/27? Had a few months of training with Yoda, and started rebuilding a zealot organisation based off of very few resources, hearsay, and a couple of books he has managed to scrounge as the rest were destroyed. At the same time as mentioned above he is probably also pretty prominent in helping his sister and a few others try to rebuild/stabilise a galactic empire. His studies would have taken massive hits here too. Yes in his late 30s and 40s he will be the most powerful Jedi that is known, but at this moment he is super super green and the PM of the project even he is unsure of
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So What is Baylon Skoll. Seemed to man-handle Ahsoka? Does Baylon defeat Luke in the same time period?

comment by Simon West (U1830)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 1 minute ago
The only thing that Super super Green with Luke Skywalker is the LightSaber he constructed.
Even his father was impressed.
Luke ain’t got any qualms decapitating people.
You say he can’t use the Darkside, cos he’s a Jedi.
I’m telling you he’s in control of it, and can tap into it, if need be. He has the Balance right… and that makes for a very dangerous person.
A cheat code if you will..
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Not at the end of return he isn't - you are talking about a Luke ~15 years after the fact, which everyone here is agreeing with. However go watch Boba, Luke +5 years is uncertain and has no idea wtf he is doing
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Uncertain in his abilities?
I need to watch back..

comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Simon West (U1830)
posted 8 minutes ago
And also I think people are forgetting how young Luke is. In Boba he is what maybe 26/27? Had a few months of training with Yoda, and started rebuilding a zealot organisation based off of very few resources, hearsay, and a couple of books he has managed to scrounge as the rest were destroyed. At the same time as mentioned above he is probably also pretty prominent in helping his sister and a few others try to rebuild/stabilise a galactic empire. His studies would have taken massive hits here too. Yes in his late 30s and 40s he will be the most powerful Jedi that is known, but at this moment he is super super green and the PM of the project even he is unsure of
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So What is Baylon Skoll. Seemed to man-handle Ahsoka? Does Baylon defeat Luke in the same time period?
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Yep, easily

Luke will struggle even to keep up with the girl

Though this is more interesting cos Baylon would be trying his damnedest to get Luke to join him.....and vice versa.

comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 6 minutes ago
Luke is Not my favourite SW character, but even as battle hardened as these legends were, I cant get past the idea that these characters could beat the son of Skywalker..
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It's all a matter of timing.

These legends beat the Luke we currently have.
Luke beats them when he reaches his prime.


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🤔.. Well they all friends so hopefully we’ll never know…unless..
You think Ahsoka could turn sith?

comment by Simon West (U1830)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Simon West (U1830)
posted 8 minutes ago
And also I think people are forgetting how young Luke is. In Boba he is what maybe 26/27? Had a few months of training with Yoda, and started rebuilding a zealot organisation based off of very few resources, hearsay, and a couple of books he has managed to scrounge as the rest were destroyed. At the same time as mentioned above he is probably also pretty prominent in helping his sister and a few others try to rebuild/stabilise a galactic empire. His studies would have taken massive hits here too. Yes in his late 30s and 40s he will be the most powerful Jedi that is known, but at this moment he is super super green and the PM of the project even he is unsure of
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So What is Baylon Skoll. Seemed to man-handle Ahsoka? Does Baylon defeat Luke in the same time period?
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Yep, easily

Luke will struggle even to keep up with the girl

Though this is more interesting cos Baylon would be trying his damnedest to get Luke to join him.....and vice versa.
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Have they explained who he is?
He’s not Sith. Used to be Jedi, maybe?

comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Simon West (U1830)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Simon West (U1830)
posted 8 minutes ago
And also I think people are forgetting how young Luke is. In Boba he is what maybe 26/27? Had a few months of training with Yoda, and started rebuilding a zealot organisation based off of very few resources, hearsay, and a couple of books he has managed to scrounge as the rest were destroyed. At the same time as mentioned above he is probably also pretty prominent in helping his sister and a few others try to rebuild/stabilise a galactic empire. His studies would have taken massive hits here too. Yes in his late 30s and 40s he will be the most powerful Jedi that is known, but at this moment he is super super green and the PM of the project even he is unsure of
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So What is Baylon Skoll. Seemed to man-handle Ahsoka? Does Baylon defeat Luke in the same time period?
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Yep, easily

Luke will struggle even to keep up with the girl

Though this is more interesting cos Baylon would be trying his damnedest to get Luke to join him.....and vice versa.
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Have they explained who he is?
He’s not Sith. Used to be Jedi, maybe?
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Yeh pretty certain(95%) he was identified as an ex jedi who fought with Anakin during the CW.

Yeh thought it was later - but end of Ep1. Baylon was a student potentially taught by Huyang and Jedi who went missing during the CW

I disagree with you both re: luke v ahsoka for two main reasons:

1. Luke is the son of the chosen one. That is more powerful, even than Master Yoda. That’s one hell of a ceiling
2. Battle experience - yes Ahsoka has (based on what we have seen and ‘know&rsquo much more than Luke post ROTJ. But, Obi beat Maul with no real life battle experience, especially against a Sith. But he trained under the teaching of some of the very best the Jedi order has ever had. Whilst we don’t know the extent of Luke’s training post ROTJ I think it’s fair to assume that he trained pretty extensively with the ghosts

I think those two points swing it in Luke’s favour. ROTJ Luke? Sure, ahsoka probably wins, but there’s no way Luke didn’t train after ROTJ, add that to him being Anakin’s level of potential and you have a force that I think would defeat Ahsoka.


This debate also seems to be purely focusing on a lightsaber duel with no reference to force powers. Force powers-wise Luke would clearly win. He also clearly has a strong mentality and wouldn’t lose his cool or give in to hate etc.

Obi beat maul off literally a life time of battle experience - the Jedi aren't just sitting around, they are basically travelling the length of the galaxy fighting

Also being the son of the chosen one counts for pretty much naught. It still requires decades of training not just a few years......you're basically saying anyone can become a black belt in martial arts over a few years just by reading a book and practicing as well as having the experience of the dalai lama. You seem to believe luke is a girl being written by kk I feel

Also across the books and the movies I don't think we see anyone more powerful than Yoda. Palps and Anakin are in the ball park, Luke never gets to that level imo. Vader is about as strong as Luke and by all accounts his injuries/suit limit his abilities considerably. Luke is very strong but he is closer to Ob1 than Yoda or Palps

So.. anyone given any thoughts to this New Galaxy?
What kind of Society we dealing with?
Is Thrawn in Power sone how?

comment by Simon West (U1830)
posted 5 minutes ago
Obi beat maul off literally a life time of battle experience - the Jedi aren't just sitting around, they are basically travelling the length of the galaxy fighting

Also being the son of the chosen one counts for pretty much naught. It still requires decades of training not just a few years......you're basically saying anyone can become a black belt in martial arts over a few years just by reading a book and practicing as well as having the experience of the dalai lama. You seem to believe luke is a girl being written by kk I feel
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Hahaha I get why you’d say that but I’m not Mary ‘Simoning’ Luke I don’t think.

I appreciate that phantom obi had more training and general fighting experience than ROTJ Luke but surely post ROTJ luke would have had similar fighting scenarios as peace time no Sith (for over a millennia) Obi.

Obviously with no training at all you can son of whomever you want and you’d likely lose to a trained Jedi but 5 or 6 years post ROTJ (Jedi knight) Luke Skywalker, son of the chosen one and the exact same ceiling/potential would be extremely dangerous to go up against.

As I’ve said before, the problem with assessing canon Luke is that we haven’t seen enough of what he did during ESB, after ESB leading up to ROTJ and the 5-6 years post ROTJ.

I think you’re underestimating the power within the Skywalker family. Ahsoka was incredible, don’t get me wrong, the multiple clone trooper training surrounding her that Anakin drilled her on directly leading to her ability to escape order 66 is clear for all to see. As is her performance against formidable foes - but how many of those foes did she actually defeat? Maul at an old age and having been cut in half?

Obi had zero experience against a Sith, zero. So he ultimately wouldn’t have duelled a lightsaber user in real-world situations prior to phantom. If Obi wasn’t just sitting around, why would you assume that Luke wasn’t doing similar?

Having a ceiling way above Yoda is not nothing and as I also said, are we saying that force powers are banned in this versus battle?

Honestly I am going with it's nothing/void. Cos it seems they have made a hyper gate, that can be used by star destroyers, so it's more they are lost in the middle of nowhere rather than they are in a civilised galaxy.