Also - let us not forget that Ahsoka left the order before she was a Jedi knight. She was pretty much there maybe but not quite. Talented yes, and trained by the chosen one, with loads of proper battle experience but still not a knight.

comment by Simon West (U1830)
posted 16 minutes ago
Also across the books and the movies I don't think we see anyone more powerful than Yoda. Palps and Anakin are in the ball park, Luke never gets to that level imo. Vader is about as strong as Luke and by all accounts his injuries/suit limit his abilities considerably. Luke is very strong but he is closer to Ob1 than Yoda or Palps
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I thought palps and Yoda were basically equals?

comment by Simon West (U1830)
posted 1 minute ago
Honestly I am going with it's nothing/void. Cos it seems they have made a hyper gate, that can be used by star destroyers, so it's more they are lost in the middle of nowhere rather than they are in a civilised galaxy.
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Ok, Never thought of that. so all this time they’ve been on the Star Destroyer, just floating by…
Ezra had been shot in the back, but had Thrawn and crew wrapped up. Hmm?

Im thinking another civilised galaxy.
If they have discovered another Civalisation. How advanced are they? Maybe they haven’t seen a Star Destroyer before.
Possibilities are endless…

comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Simon West (U1830)
posted 1 minute ago
Honestly I am going with it's nothing/void. Cos it seems they have made a hyper gate, that can be used by star destroyers, so it's more they are lost in the middle of nowhere rather than they are in a civilised galaxy.
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Ok, Never thought of that. so all this time they’ve been on the Star Destroyer, just floating by…
Ezra had been shot in the back, but had Thrawn and crew wrapped up. Hmm?

Im thinking another civilised galaxy.
If they have discovered another Civalisation. How advanced are they? Maybe they haven’t seen a Star Destroyer before.
Possibilities are endless…


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Its gonna be interesting for sure, cos I certainly hadn't considered a civilised galaxy. I am intrigued with how this goes forward purely because for me the worst thing from Rebels...........was the whales, just felt they were such a cop-out for defeating an enemy that really shouldn't have been beaten by......well the Rebels, but I think that Dave was fixing a mistake which was releasing Thrawn without maybe a long time plan, and I am guessing right around the time he gets the live action gig so needed to wrap it up asap

Most powerful characters in SW canon:
1. Palpatine Episode 3
2. Yoda Episode 3
3. Anakin Episode 3
4. Luke ROTJ

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 38 minutes ago
Also - let us not forget that Ahsoka left the order before she was a Jedi knight. She was pretty much there maybe but not quite. Talented yes, and trained by the chosen one, with loads of proper battle experience but still not a knight.
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That was more of a technicality. She was a jedi knight.

It's like Anakin being on the council but not being ranked a master. He was well beyond that rank already and most jedi already considered him that.

comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 53 minutes ago
So.. anyone given any thoughts to this New Galaxy?
What kind of Society we dealing with?
Is Thrawn in Power sone how?
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It will be Thrawns people, the Chiss.

comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 53 minutes ago
So.. anyone given any thoughts to this New Galaxy?
What kind of Society we dealing with?
Is Thrawn in Power sone how?
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It will be Thrawns people, the Chiss.
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the wha?!
Well not long to go now…

Just read a theory that Grogu sensed Ashoka being transported by the Purrgil to the new galaxy in that scene in the Mandalorian

comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 4 minutes ago
Just read a theory that Grogu sensed Ashoka being transported by the Purrgil to the new galaxy in that scene in the Mandalorian
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Candidly, if Grogu isn't able to hold his own in the movie, I'd rather not see him feature at all. The cute baby thing worked in season 1 but we need to see him actually do something now.

Looks like Disney are making another movie that nobody asked for:

https://variety.com/2023/film/news/lando-movie-donald-glover-star-wars-1235723736/

comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 4 minutes ago
Just read a theory that Grogu sensed Ashoka being transported by the Purrgil to the new galaxy in that scene in the Mandalorian
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Candidly, if Grogu isn't able to hold his own in the movie, I'd rather not see him feature at all. The cute baby thing worked in season 1 but we need to see him actually do something now.
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No idea what this reply has to do with the theory

Episode 5 but better:

https://youtu.be/p0Ok1hefdag?si=FKO_uq17wQQl5Fwy

comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 4 minutes ago
Just read a theory that Grogu sensed Ashoka being transported by the Purrgil to the new galaxy in that scene in the Mandalorian
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Candidly, if Grogu isn't able to hold his own in the movie, I'd rather not see him feature at all. The cute baby thing worked in season 1 but we need to see him actually do something now.
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No idea what this reply has to do with the theory
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You brought up Grogu so I gave my opinion on what I expect from him going forward.

comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 2 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 38 minutes ago
Also - let us not forget that Ahsoka left the order before she was a Jedi knight. She was pretty much there maybe but not quite. Talented yes, and trained by the chosen one, with loads of proper battle experience but still not a knight.
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That was more of a technicality. She was a jedi knight.

It's like Anakin being on the council but not being ranked a master. He was well beyond that rank already and most jedi already considered him that.
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Anakin as master is a weird one. You’re right in that many Jedi considered him that and I think on occasion called him that but relating to the council seat I think he was further off it than ahsoka was being a knight (I agree that she pretty much was/would have been had she stayed in the order). But Anakin didn’t have the support of council for master at all and was only given a seat because of Papa Sheev

The reason I mentioned Ahsoka technically not being a knight was purely as a Vs Luke point. That being said, was Luke technically a knight by ROTJ? Labelled as such but he obviously didn’t have the same trials nor ceremony with a hair cut.

Have to say I am surprised that most think ahsoka would best Luke years after ROTJ. I’d love to see a definitive answer but we probably won’t.

comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 2 hours, 51 minutes ago
Most powerful characters in SW canon:
1. Palpatine Episode 3
2. Yoda Episode 3
3. Anakin Episode 3
4. Luke ROTJ
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On this - at those specific times I wouldn’t have Luke there. Windu should be there at either 3 or 4. He was a fking beast, oh maybe canon less so?

If you mean overall then yeah bang on

comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 6 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 22 minutes ago
But you all focusing on Saber battles/styles.. Luke would cave in her chest with a force pull, then crush her windpipe.
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The main reason why force users don't do this to each other is because you can defend against a force chole or chest crush. Ahsoka would use the force the deflect any attempts he made. It's the exact reason Maul doesn't just force choke Qui Gon and Obi Wan or why Anakin doesn't just force choke Obi Wan on Mustafar.
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Yeah I think force users have a protective bubble to guard against simply getting flung about / crushed organs but it’s not infallible. Look at Dooku Vs Anakin & Obi on invisible hand. They need to be concentrating.

Luke may not easily be able to defeat ahsoka with the force but he could probably do it. He’s a lot stronger with the force than she is after all.

Another reason why I think he’d defeat her 1on1

What’s the time difference between ahsoka show and meeting Luke with grogu etc? A year?

5 years is such a short period of time though

And again it can't even be compared with normal Jedi training which Ahsoka completed, Luke is literally trying to rebuild the Jedi from the ground up.

Also Ahsoka didn't just sit on her thumbs for the following 30 years.....yes 30 years. So again you need to realise it's 10 years of Jedi training, the clone wars and then whatever else she spent doing over the following 30 years Vs some with 2 sabre battles under his belt, a few months training (more control than sabre ), and then a few years of reading books - seriously for me it's not even close Luke is just missing to much that other Jedi went through and 5 years with all this is basically no time at all. He also lost twice to a guy who was trying his best not to hurt him for the most part.....

Again a similar age Luke (40ish) is a much better and fairer fight.

It's taking place around the same time - I think from what I have read Luke in Boba would match up with Ahsoka returning from where ever she ends up.

And you are making a huge assumption that Luke is "much" stronger in the force than Ahsoka at this point, pretty certain this is as much argument that he potentially is stronger but not as skilled at this time. So now I am thinking Mighty Mouse Vs Bradley Martin. Yeh Martin's got a punchers chance and the physical strength and power but I am putting my house on Might Mouse every day of the week.

comment by Simon West (U1830)
posted 3 minutes ago
5 years is such a short period of time though

And again it can't even be compared with normal Jedi training which Ahsoka completed, Luke is literally trying to rebuild the Jedi from the ground up.

Also Ahsoka didn't just sit on her thumbs for the following 30 years.....yes 30 years. So again you need to realise it's 10 years of Jedi training, the clone wars and then whatever else she spent doing over the following 30 years Vs some with 2 sabre battles under his belt, a few months training (more control than sabre ), and then a few years of reading books - seriously for me it's not even close Luke is just missing to much that other Jedi went through and 5 years with all this is basically no time at all. He also lost twice to a guy who was trying his best not to hurt him for the most part.....

Again a similar age Luke (40ish) is a much better and fairer fight.
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I made the same points for CW Anakin Vs Luke so I totally get where you’re coming from.

The training Anakin and ahsoka received is ridiculous.

Problem is, 5 years being deemed short or not, we simply do not know the extent of Luke’s training/progress after ROTJ to now.

I guess I’m just very comfortable assuming that he also received excellent training from the ghosts and having the potential that he has, he’s a fkign quick learner to say the least

Look at what he did with hardly any training. Beating vader (trying or not he didn’t want his hand cut off again) and even ESB he genuinely surprised Vader. Ahsoka with similarly limited training would get destroyed by Luke.

I just cannot accept that ROTJ Luke doesn’t improve an awful lot over 5 years and if he does, he deffo smacks ahsoka.

comment by Simon West (U1830)
posted 3 minutes ago
It's taking place around the same time - I think from what I have read Luke in Boba would match up with Ahsoka returning from where ever she ends up.

And you are making a huge assumption that Luke is "much" stronger in the force than Ahsoka at this point, pretty certain this is as much argument that he potentially is stronger but not as skilled at this time. So now I am thinking Mighty Mouse Vs Bradley Martin. Yeh Martin's got a punchers chance and the physical strength and power but I am putting my house on Might Mouse every day of the week.
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It is an assumption but I think it’s a fair one. He’s chosen one level that’s notably higher than Yoda and Palps.

The skill / lightsaber skills / training we simply will never know (hopefully we do!)

Put it this way I would expect middle of CW Anakin to be on par with Luke ROTJ +5 years

Not ROTS Anakin but just below.

5 years opportunity for one on one training from Yoda, Obi, Anakin? That’s some ridiculous training too (if it happened)

I honestly havent seen anything that suggest the ghost do anything except occasionally turn up for a chat once in a while when they get bored

And like I said I am sure the Lukes been doing a ton of stuff......but that's the problem its not just being dedicated to fighting, and that is the only way he last more than 5 mins with Ahsoka is if he spent every minute of those 5 years training to fight........but he's not. Hes building a temple, he is finding younglings, he is trying to understand the force, which quite frankly he still doesn't understand, and those are the things we know he done. As Guv said you are also guessing he has diplomatic duties as well, so you take that into account - he has maybe had a year to dedicate to fighting..........honestly 15 year old Anakin and a 10 year old Leia as written by KK is beating him, as well as Rey who only picked up a light sabre 5 mins before the fight

I’ll just add look at Luke’s progress in the OT from barely any training. What was it a month or so with Yoda and a short time with Obi by end of ESB and apparently no time with Yoda between ESB & ROTJ - that progress is insane!

Now imagine 5-6 years progress with time spent like he did for the year between empire and jedi, let alone any training from the ghosts.

Ridiculous learner. Only Rey outdoes him in that regard.

Luke returning to Dagobah in ROTJ:

LUKE: But I need your help. I've come back to complete the training.

YODA:No more training do you require. Already know you that which you need.

LUKE:Then I am a Jedi?

YODA: Ohhh. Not yet. One thing remains: Vader. You must confront Vader. Then,only then, a Jedi will you be. And confront him you must.

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 hours, 7 minutes ago
I’ll just add look at Luke’s progress in the OT from barely any training. What was it a month or so with Yoda and a short time with Obi by end of ESB and apparently no time with Yoda between ESB & ROTJ - that progress is insane!

Now imagine 5-6 years progress with time spent like he did for the year between empire and jedi, let alone any training from the ghosts.

Ridiculous learner. Only Rey outdoes him in that regard.
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Luke learned a lot but his attainment of the jedi rank was fast tracked. They needed a jedi to fight Vader and so they had to take shortcuts with Luke's training. If this was during the peak of the jedi, Luke would still be a padawan.

It's like WW1. Men were called up and given the basic training needed and were then told they were soldiers and ready to fight on the battlefield. In reality, these men needed several years more of training.