comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted less than a minute ago
I'm glad the EU has "red tape" laws to stop that kinda stuff.

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Do you not thing that our own Government should be doing that?
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Well it did not do that in the past and was serving corporate interests.

Environmental pollution being a perfect example.

Now, ask yourselves this question. We supported these laws 96% of the time.

We have representatives in the European Parliament called MEPs?

A certain Mr Farage being one of them

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
I'm glad the EU has "red tape" laws to stop that kinda stuff.

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Do you not thing that our own Government should be doing that?
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VC

How would our government ensure these laws were in line with the other 27 member states?

A good read;

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-15-eu-laws-we-will-miss-in-britain-a7103031.html

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 13 seconds ago
I'm glad the EU has "red tape" laws to stop that kinda stuff.

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Do you not thing that our own Government should be doing that?
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We cant mandate manufacturing laws in other countries from where we import goods. Its better to have stringent standards at the place of manufacture than retrospective customs/H&S analysis post import. Remember the overcharged Chinese hover-boards burning folks houses down. If i buy a wine from the EU i like to know it should take 4 bottles before i am blind and not one.

How would our government ensure these laws were in line with the other 27 member states?

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That is the point. If you don't agree with them, don't implement them.

the UK Government said on Friday that it will have to look at some of these laws the EU implemented and will decide what to keep.

Health and Safety being a major area.

I don't see what the big deal is

we'll keep the laws we like and bin the ones we don't.

but we'll choose instead of some Eurocrat

I don't think much will change at all to be honest. It's a matter of principle above all else.

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)

posted 2 minutes ago

A good read;

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-15-eu-laws-we-will-miss-in-britain-a7103031.html

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Fifteen out of how many thousand?

comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 14 minutes ago
As one single example the working time directive is estimated to cost uk businesses c. £4bn pa, and should never have been introduced.
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So you are saying that giving employees 28 days paid annual leave is a bad idea?

Or that allowing a worker a minimum of 11 hours away from the workplace per day is a bad thing?

A day off after a full weeks work is a bad thing is it?

The right to work no more than 48 hours is a bad thing?

FFS. There we have it ladies and gentleman.

Don Draper thinks all your working rights are a bad thing and would prefer it if you were forced to work 7 days per week, 16 hours per day, and have only the 8 annual bank holidays per year.

This is why he voted leave. Well done Mr. Scrooge sir, well done.
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Yes, that is correct, because I oppose the working time directive i am all in favour of zero protection for employees, and indeed the return of victorian labour laws.

a cogent and well argued point you make.

comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)

posted 33 seconds ago

I don't see what the big deal is

we'll keep the laws we like and bin the ones we don't.

but we'll choose instead of some Eurocrat

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Not quite sure how this is so difficult to understand.

I don't see what the big deal is

we'll keep the laws we like and bin the ones we don't.

but we'll choose instead of some Eurocrat
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If it wasn't the likes of Boris and Gove (other some other right wing Brexiters) choosing which ones then it probably wouldn't be too much to be scared about.

It is the likes of the Brexiters though, good news if you are rich.

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted less than a minute ago
I'm glad the EU has "red tape" laws to stop that kinda stuff.

.......................

Do you not thing that our own Government should be doing that?
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Well it did not do that in the past and was serving corporate interests.

Environmental pollution being a perfect example.
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Remind JA of your field of work, Mudd.

VC the problem is guaranteeing the quality of goods received.

In my industry, I can procure Pressure Equipment from and EU member state and I know that what I will receive with be compliant with the Pressure Equipment Directive, which saves costs and provides me with a significant market and choices.

The UK cannot force this on anyone but equipment of this nature has to be compliant for me to use.

I lose that freedom and immediately my choices are reduced and my costs and risks are significantly increased.

This is the problem a lot of corporations have considered and were raised but people did not pay attention and called it fear mongering.

comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 13 seconds ago
I'm glad the EU has "red tape" laws to stop that kinda stuff.

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Do you not thing that our own Government should be doing that?
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We cant mandate manufacturing laws in other countries from where we import goods. Its better to have stringent standards at the place of manufacture than retrospective customs/H&S analysis post import. Remember the overcharged Chinese hover-boards burning folks houses down. If i buy a wine from the EU i like to know it should take 4 bottles before i am blind and not one.
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So you're happy to be forced to buy four bottles of wine, when it is possible that one could do the job? Sucker.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)

posted 2 minutes ago

A good read;

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-15-eu-laws-we-will-miss-in-britain-a7103031.html

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Fifteen out of how many thousand?

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Including the 96% we voted in favour of?

Yes, that is correct, because I oppose the working time directive i am all in favour of zero protection for employees, and indeed the return of victorian labour laws.

a cogent and well argued point you make.
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Well at least there is one out voter who will at least partially get what he wants, congratulations.

Those are all part of the working time directive or are you too thick to check for yourself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_Time_Directive

Don Draper said it should never have been introduced so what conclusion would you take from that comment?"

Ooooh, get you Mr angry pathetic man with insulting people and calling them thick.

I don't just draw simplistic conclusions from someone's post on an anonymous internet forum that's for sure. And I certainly don't go around assuming people are thick just because they have a different view from mine. As for going and checking for myself I don't need to as I am an employer of a few hundred people so I know exactly what the directive is. I also know how it compares with other EU countries so perhaps you should do a bit of checking for yourself eh?

It's a quantum leap for the very "simple" reason that nobody suggested that there shouldn't be some protection of workers and their rights; indeed all that was suggested was that the law introduced giving all of these rights should not have been introduced.

You draw quantum leaps from that if you want to but at least have the sense to read it through before jumping off and frothing at the mouth calling other posters thick.

In the meantime, have a pleasant day

comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted less than a minute ago
I'm glad the EU has "red tape" laws to stop that kinda stuff.

.......................

Do you not thing that our own Government should be doing that?
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Well it did not do that in the past and was serving corporate interests.

Environmental pollution being a perfect example.
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Remind JA of your field of work, Mudd.


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Oil and Gas and the EU has done a phenomenal job in helping our industry care more about the environment.

Britain was not that bothered about it

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)

posted 33 seconds ago

I don't see what the big deal is

we'll keep the laws we like and bin the ones we don't.

but we'll choose instead of some Eurocrat

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Not quite sure how this is so difficult to understand.
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It's because the EU will mandate many of the laws we need to keep or implement as part of the trade deal otherwise, we might as we are the equivalence of the country putting de-icer in our wine.

comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 14 minutes ago
As one single example the working time directive is estimated to cost uk businesses c. £4bn pa, and should never have been introduced.
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So you are saying that giving employees 28 days paid annual leave is a bad idea?

Or that allowing a worker a minimum of 11 hours away from the workplace per day is a bad thing?

A day off after a full weeks work is a bad thing is it?

The right to work no more than 48 hours is a bad thing?

FFS. There we have it ladies and gentleman.

Don Draper thinks all your working rights are a bad thing and would prefer it if you were forced to work 7 days per week, 16 hours per day, and have only the 8 annual bank holidays per year.

This is why he voted leave. Well done Mr. Scrooge sir, well done.
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Yes, that is correct, because I oppose the working time directive i am all in favour of zero protection for employees, and indeed the return of victorian labour laws.

a cogent and well argued point you make.

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Bring back 50 lashes for lazy workers

comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)

posted 33 seconds ago

I don't see what the big deal is

we'll keep the laws we like and bin the ones we don't.

but we'll choose instead of some Eurocrat

................

Not quite sure how this is so difficult to understand.
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It's because the EU will mandate many of the laws we need to keep or implement as part of the trade deal otherwise, we might as we are the equivalence of the country putting de-icer in our wine.
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Were we drinking wine laced with de icer before we joined the EU? And do you think we will be doing so in future?

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 2 minutes ago
A good read;

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-15-eu-laws-we-will-miss-in-britain-a7103031.html
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lots of stuff to gladly get rid of there

no VAT on energy bills to help out those on lower incomes being the best one

better for fisherman

allowed to use proper appliances

more sane immigration policies

ease some of the excessive requirements on the financial sector

re-evaluate carbon requirements

lots of places to tweak to our advantage

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
How would our government ensure these laws were in line with the other 27 member states?

...........................

That is the point. If you don't agree with them, don't implement them.

the UK Government said on Friday that it will have to look at some of these laws the EU implemented and will decide what to keep.

Health and Safety being a major area.
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One of the most important laws brought in by the EU was opted out by our government, and then changed a few years later;

"Under EU law, it is illegal to make an employee work for an average of more than 48 hours a week. John Major secured an opt-out for the UK from this directive in 1992, but six years later the Labour Government opted in"

In order to import/export successfully between member states does it not make sense to have one set of rules/laws as opposed to different ones for Spain, Italy, France & the UK?

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 3 minutes ago
VC the problem is guaranteeing the quality of goods received.

In my industry, I can procure Pressure Equipment from and EU member state and I know that what I will receive with be compliant with the Pressure Equipment Directive, which saves costs and provides me with a significant market and choices.

The UK cannot force this on anyone but equipment of this nature has to be compliant for me to use.

I lose that freedom and immediately my choices are reduced and my costs and risks are significantly increased.

This is the problem a lot of corporations have considered and were raised but people did not pay attention and called it fear mongering.
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So what you are telling me is if the UK decided to develop their own "super special sovereign" Pressure Equipment Directive and ditch the EU one, the EU might not allow it the product to be sold to European Industrial plants? So in order to sell such equipment into the EU we would be forced to accept that directive?

comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 2 minutes ago
A good read;

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-15-eu-laws-we-will-miss-in-britain-a7103031.html
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lots of stuff to gladly get rid of there

no VAT on energy bills to help out those on lower incomes being the best one

better for fisherman

allowed to use proper appliances

more sane immigration policies

ease some of the excessive requirements on the financial sector

re-evaluate carbon requirements

lots of places to tweak to our advantage
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i read the article and thought, blimey, if these are supposedly 15 laws we will miss, how s.h.!.t must be the ones we won't miss.