comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 18 minutes ago
Now, ask yourselves this question. We supported these laws 96% of the time.
We have representatives in the European Parliament called MEPs?
A certain Mr Farage being one of them
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yes, except that in terms of volume most EU laws come by way of a regulation, which is never voted upon by either the UK or the EU parliament.
Who doesnt like a nip of de-icer on a January morning?
We have been dishing up horsemeat, and driving polluting VWs in spite of EU regulations. If a firm is unscrupulous it is
"i read the article and thought, blimey, if these are supposedly 15 laws we will miss, how s.h.!.t must be the ones we won't miss."
me too
maybe the title is wrong or sarcastic. Sometimes the headline title writer is different to the real authour.
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 5 seconds ago
Who doesnt like a nip of de-icer on a January morning?
We have been dishing up horsemeat, and driving polluting VWs in spite of EU regulations. If a firm is unscrupulous it is
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Yeah, that's with the laws. How much worse would things be without it. Remember Iraq bought the fake bomb detectors. Wouldn't have happened in the EU. In the EU they would be sold as novelty golf ball detectors for 1/10000 the price.
Can people not see that it's not a question of WHO legislates, but who they legislate FOR?
I'd happily accept all of Spain's laws of the land to be passed by an Englishman, if they were passed first and foremost with the greater good of the people in mind.
Conversely, I wouldn't want a Spaniard passing them if all he had in mind was the interests of the elites.
I couldn't care less if my laws are dictated in Brussels, Madrid or Woking, what I want is good laws.
Taking sovereignty away from unelected bodies can only be a good thing, but beware of whose hands you're putting them into.
I don't personally see much point in taking that power only to hand it over to a system that couldn't really care less about the man on the street.
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
How would our government ensure these laws were in line with the other 27 member states?
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That is the point. If you don't agree with them, don't implement them.
the UK Government said on Friday that it will have to look at some of these laws the EU implemented and will decide what to keep.
Health and Safety being a major area.
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One of the most important laws brought in by the EU was opted out by our government, and then changed a few years later;
"Under EU law, it is illegal to make an employee work for an average of more than 48 hours a week. John Major secured an opt-out for the UK from this directive in 1992, but six years later the Labour Government opted in"
In order to import/export successfully between member states does it not make sense to have one set of rules/laws as opposed to different ones for Spain, Italy, France & the UK?
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It only really makes sense if you request the same of non-EU countries.
What's the point if we are dealing more or less freely with other countries whose laws might as well entitle patron to make their employees work 16 hours with a red-hot iron shoved up their ar·ses.
I couldn't care less if my laws are dictated in Brussels, Madrid or Woking, what I want is good laws.
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Brussels and Madrid should not be dictating laws to anyone other than their own nations.
comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 5 seconds ago
Who doesnt like a nip of de-icer on a January morning?
We have been dishing up horsemeat, and driving polluting VWs in spite of EU regulations. If a firm is unscrupulous it is
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Yeah, that's with the laws. How much worse would things be without it. Remember Iraq bought the fake bomb detectors. Wouldn't have happened in the EU. In the EU they would be sold as novelty golf ball detectors for 1/10000 the price.
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Was putting de-icer in wine legal in Austria back then?
If so I cede the point, but if it was already illegal to do so what difference does the EU make?
I find it very disingenous claiming that we're going to get rid of everything the EU introduced, have no immigration, and basically build a wall around our island that prevents anything from going in or out.
No one voted for that, no one wants that.
It was those kind of outrageous claims in the form of scaremongering "you idiots want x, y and z because you're morons who want stupid things like that" that swung a lot of people to Brexit IMO. You helped seal the result you didn't want through your arrogance, insults and exaggeration.
Its like a game of 5 a side where one guy decides to use his hands and run about with the ball and throw it into the net. He can argue that his hands are his own to do with as he pleases. The reality is he will soon find out he needs to agree to all the rules if he wants to play with the other 9 players. He is also entitled to play a game of 5s on his own with his own rules, but that the costs of the pitch are too high to make it feasible. That's pretty much where the UK is right now.
It was those kind of outrageous claims in the form of scaremongering "you idiots want x, y and z because you're morons who want stupid things like that" that swung a lot of people to Brexit IMO. You helped seal the result you didn't want through your arrogance, insults and exaggeration.
........................................
TBH I think the lies that anyone who wasn't a moron could see through that helped swing it for leave.
Stuff like Farage in front of the Syrain refugees poster.
Of the £350M for the NHS lie.
These are the lies and exaggerations that won the campaign and the stupid certainly did fall for them.
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 18 minutes ago
Now, ask yourselves this question. We supported these laws 96% of the time.
We have representatives in the European Parliament called MEPs?
A certain Mr Farage being one of them
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yes, except that in terms of volume most EU laws come by way of a regulation, which is never voted upon by either the UK or the EU parliament.
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To be fair, id say 99.9% of them shouldn't. They can only that route in areas where we have already agreed to it.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 6 minutes ago
I couldn't care less if my laws are dictated in Brussels, Madrid or Woking, what I want is good laws.
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Brussels and Madrid should not be dictating laws to anyone other than their own nations.
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Woking on the other hand...
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 5 seconds ago
Who doesnt like a nip of de-icer on a January morning?
We have been dishing up horsemeat, and driving polluting VWs in spite of EU regulations. If a firm is unscrupulous it is
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Yeah, that's with the laws. How much worse would things be without it. Remember Iraq bought the fake bomb detectors. Wouldn't have happened in the EU. In the EU they would be sold as novelty golf ball detectors for 1/10000 the price.
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Was putting de-icer in wine legal in Austria back then?
If so I cede the point, but if it was already illegal to do so what difference does the EU make?
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It was illegal as far as I am aware. But I still stand by my desire for unified EU wide manufacture standards and that on the whole such goods are far less risky.
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 14 minutes ago
As one single example the working time directive is estimated to cost uk businesses c. £4bn pa, and should never have been introduced.
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So you are saying that giving employees 28 days paid annual leave is a bad idea?
Or that allowing a worker a minimum of 11 hours away from the workplace per day is a bad thing?
A day off after a full weeks work is a bad thing is it?
The right to work no more than 48 hours is a bad thing?
FFS. There we have it ladies and gentleman.
Don Draper thinks all your working rights are a bad thing and would prefer it if you were forced to work 7 days per week, 16 hours per day, and have only the 8 annual bank holidays per year.
This is why he voted leave. Well done Mr. Scrooge sir, well done.
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Yes, that is correct, because I oppose the working time directive i am all in favour of zero protection for employees, and indeed the return of victorian labour laws.
a cogent and well argued point you make.
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What did you actually mean when you said "the working time directive should never have been introduced"?
Please enlighten me.
I seem to have misinterpreted "It shouldn't have been introduced" as "I don't agree with it"
Should it have been interpreted as "it shouldn't have been introduced but I personally believe it is a good thing"?
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 18 minutes ago
Now, ask yourselves this question. We supported these laws 96% of the time.
We have representatives in the European Parliament called MEPs?
A certain Mr Farage being one of them
----------------------------------------------------------------------
yes, except that in terms of volume most EU laws come by way of a regulation, which is never voted upon by either the UK or the EU parliament.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Untrue.
Regulations are legislative instruments under EU law. Although they can be implemented without the expressed consent of the EU Parliament, this can only happen in very limited circumstances in very few areas of legislation.
The ECJ has determined that the Consultation Approach, which only required the Council to consult with Parliament (actually used quite sparingly historically), should be ditched in favour of the more democratic Consent Approach, which ensures Parliament's approval.
The *vast* majority of regulations are implemented with the EU Parliament's authorisation.
See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_legislative_procedure#Commission_acting_alone
For anyone confused by the difference between Regulations, Directives and Decisions (I certainly was!), see:
http://europa.eu/eu-law/decision-making/legal-acts/index_en.htm
comment by rossobianchi - carry me back to the Stretford End (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
For anyone confused by the difference between Regulations, Directives and Decisions (I certainly was!), see:
http://europa.eu/eu-law/decision-making/legal-acts/index_en.htm
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I think most of us didn't know too much about this before the issue of referendum came up.
Admin 1
5 a side. Seems like he would rather be playing hand ball.
We weren't happy with the rule of the EU we are now looking for a different game to play.
in hindsight I think the media did a very poor job (over decades) in making people aware of what was going on in the EU, how it works, and who our key people involved were
you'd think at least our top person in Europe would be widely known and instantly recognisable. They still aren't even after this.
comment by GunaDave (U7710)
posted 43 seconds ago
Admin 1
5 a side. Seems like he would rather be playing hand ball.
We weren't happy with the rule of the EU we are now looking for a different game to play.
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Which is fine but the other member states will very much only be playing 5-aside with us.
comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 3 minutes ago
in hindsight I think the media did a very poor job (over decades) in making people aware of what was going on in the EU, how it works, and who our key people involved were
you'd think at least our top person in Europe would be widely known and instantly recognisable. They still aren't even after this.
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In fairness the media were too busy lambasting the EU about bringing in laws about the size/shape of bananas and not the more important laws that actually shape every day life.
The EU isn't in the strongest position itself though, if they try to screw us over in negotiations out of spite then it will fuel the eurosceptics across Europe.
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posted on 28/6/16
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 18 minutes ago
Now, ask yourselves this question. We supported these laws 96% of the time.
We have representatives in the European Parliament called MEPs?
A certain Mr Farage being one of them
----------------------------------------------------------------------
yes, except that in terms of volume most EU laws come by way of a regulation, which is never voted upon by either the UK or the EU parliament.
posted on 28/6/16
Who doesnt like a nip of de-icer on a January morning?
We have been dishing up horsemeat, and driving polluting VWs in spite of EU regulations. If a firm is unscrupulous it is
posted on 28/6/16
"i read the article and thought, blimey, if these are supposedly 15 laws we will miss, how s.h.!.t must be the ones we won't miss."
me too
maybe the title is wrong or sarcastic. Sometimes the headline title writer is different to the real authour.
posted on 28/6/16
posted on 28/6/16
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 5 seconds ago
Who doesnt like a nip of de-icer on a January morning?
We have been dishing up horsemeat, and driving polluting VWs in spite of EU regulations. If a firm is unscrupulous it is
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, that's with the laws. How much worse would things be without it. Remember Iraq bought the fake bomb detectors. Wouldn't have happened in the EU. In the EU they would be sold as novelty golf ball detectors for 1/10000 the price.
posted on 28/6/16
Can people not see that it's not a question of WHO legislates, but who they legislate FOR?
I'd happily accept all of Spain's laws of the land to be passed by an Englishman, if they were passed first and foremost with the greater good of the people in mind.
Conversely, I wouldn't want a Spaniard passing them if all he had in mind was the interests of the elites.
I couldn't care less if my laws are dictated in Brussels, Madrid or Woking, what I want is good laws.
Taking sovereignty away from unelected bodies can only be a good thing, but beware of whose hands you're putting them into.
I don't personally see much point in taking that power only to hand it over to a system that couldn't really care less about the man on the street.
posted on 28/6/16
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
How would our government ensure these laws were in line with the other 27 member states?
...........................
That is the point. If you don't agree with them, don't implement them.
the UK Government said on Friday that it will have to look at some of these laws the EU implemented and will decide what to keep.
Health and Safety being a major area.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
One of the most important laws brought in by the EU was opted out by our government, and then changed a few years later;
"Under EU law, it is illegal to make an employee work for an average of more than 48 hours a week. John Major secured an opt-out for the UK from this directive in 1992, but six years later the Labour Government opted in"
In order to import/export successfully between member states does it not make sense to have one set of rules/laws as opposed to different ones for Spain, Italy, France & the UK?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It only really makes sense if you request the same of non-EU countries.
What's the point if we are dealing more or less freely with other countries whose laws might as well entitle patron to make their employees work 16 hours with a red-hot iron shoved up their ar·ses.
posted on 28/6/16
I couldn't care less if my laws are dictated in Brussels, Madrid or Woking, what I want is good laws.
................
Brussels and Madrid should not be dictating laws to anyone other than their own nations.
posted on 28/6/16
comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 5 seconds ago
Who doesnt like a nip of de-icer on a January morning?
We have been dishing up horsemeat, and driving polluting VWs in spite of EU regulations. If a firm is unscrupulous it is
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, that's with the laws. How much worse would things be without it. Remember Iraq bought the fake bomb detectors. Wouldn't have happened in the EU. In the EU they would be sold as novelty golf ball detectors for 1/10000 the price.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Was putting de-icer in wine legal in Austria back then?
If so I cede the point, but if it was already illegal to do so what difference does the EU make?
posted on 28/6/16
I find it very disingenous claiming that we're going to get rid of everything the EU introduced, have no immigration, and basically build a wall around our island that prevents anything from going in or out.
No one voted for that, no one wants that.
It was those kind of outrageous claims in the form of scaremongering "you idiots want x, y and z because you're morons who want stupid things like that" that swung a lot of people to Brexit IMO. You helped seal the result you didn't want through your arrogance, insults and exaggeration.
posted on 28/6/16
Its like a game of 5 a side where one guy decides to use his hands and run about with the ball and throw it into the net. He can argue that his hands are his own to do with as he pleases. The reality is he will soon find out he needs to agree to all the rules if he wants to play with the other 9 players. He is also entitled to play a game of 5s on his own with his own rules, but that the costs of the pitch are too high to make it feasible. That's pretty much where the UK is right now.
posted on 28/6/16
It was those kind of outrageous claims in the form of scaremongering "you idiots want x, y and z because you're morons who want stupid things like that" that swung a lot of people to Brexit IMO. You helped seal the result you didn't want through your arrogance, insults and exaggeration.
........................................
TBH I think the lies that anyone who wasn't a moron could see through that helped swing it for leave.
Stuff like Farage in front of the Syrain refugees poster.
Of the £350M for the NHS lie.
These are the lies and exaggerations that won the campaign and the stupid certainly did fall for them.
posted on 28/6/16
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 18 minutes ago
Now, ask yourselves this question. We supported these laws 96% of the time.
We have representatives in the European Parliament called MEPs?
A certain Mr Farage being one of them
----------------------------------------------------------------------
yes, except that in terms of volume most EU laws come by way of a regulation, which is never voted upon by either the UK or the EU parliament.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair, id say 99.9% of them shouldn't. They can only that route in areas where we have already agreed to it.
posted on 28/6/16
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 6 minutes ago
I couldn't care less if my laws are dictated in Brussels, Madrid or Woking, what I want is good laws.
................
Brussels and Madrid should not be dictating laws to anyone other than their own nations.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Woking on the other hand...
posted on 28/6/16
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 5 seconds ago
Who doesnt like a nip of de-icer on a January morning?
We have been dishing up horsemeat, and driving polluting VWs in spite of EU regulations. If a firm is unscrupulous it is
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, that's with the laws. How much worse would things be without it. Remember Iraq bought the fake bomb detectors. Wouldn't have happened in the EU. In the EU they would be sold as novelty golf ball detectors for 1/10000 the price.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Was putting de-icer in wine legal in Austria back then?
If so I cede the point, but if it was already illegal to do so what difference does the EU make?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It was illegal as far as I am aware. But I still stand by my desire for unified EU wide manufacture standards and that on the whole such goods are far less risky.
posted on 28/6/16
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 14 minutes ago
As one single example the working time directive is estimated to cost uk businesses c. £4bn pa, and should never have been introduced.
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So you are saying that giving employees 28 days paid annual leave is a bad idea?
Or that allowing a worker a minimum of 11 hours away from the workplace per day is a bad thing?
A day off after a full weeks work is a bad thing is it?
The right to work no more than 48 hours is a bad thing?
FFS. There we have it ladies and gentleman.
Don Draper thinks all your working rights are a bad thing and would prefer it if you were forced to work 7 days per week, 16 hours per day, and have only the 8 annual bank holidays per year.
This is why he voted leave. Well done Mr. Scrooge sir, well done.
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Yes, that is correct, because I oppose the working time directive i am all in favour of zero protection for employees, and indeed the return of victorian labour laws.
a cogent and well argued point you make.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What did you actually mean when you said "the working time directive should never have been introduced"?
Please enlighten me.
I seem to have misinterpreted "It shouldn't have been introduced" as "I don't agree with it"
Should it have been interpreted as "it shouldn't have been introduced but I personally believe it is a good thing"?
posted on 28/6/16
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 18 minutes ago
Now, ask yourselves this question. We supported these laws 96% of the time.
We have representatives in the European Parliament called MEPs?
A certain Mr Farage being one of them
----------------------------------------------------------------------
yes, except that in terms of volume most EU laws come by way of a regulation, which is never voted upon by either the UK or the EU parliament.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Untrue.
Regulations are legislative instruments under EU law. Although they can be implemented without the expressed consent of the EU Parliament, this can only happen in very limited circumstances in very few areas of legislation.
The ECJ has determined that the Consultation Approach, which only required the Council to consult with Parliament (actually used quite sparingly historically), should be ditched in favour of the more democratic Consent Approach, which ensures Parliament's approval.
The *vast* majority of regulations are implemented with the EU Parliament's authorisation.
See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_legislative_procedure#Commission_acting_alone
posted on 28/6/16
For anyone confused by the difference between Regulations, Directives and Decisions (I certainly was!), see:
http://europa.eu/eu-law/decision-making/legal-acts/index_en.htm
posted on 28/6/16
comment by rossobianchi - carry me back to the Stretford End (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
For anyone confused by the difference between Regulations, Directives and Decisions (I certainly was!), see:
http://europa.eu/eu-law/decision-making/legal-acts/index_en.htm
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I think most of us didn't know too much about this before the issue of referendum came up.
posted on 28/6/16
Admin 1
5 a side. Seems like he would rather be playing hand ball.
We weren't happy with the rule of the EU we are now looking for a different game to play.
posted on 28/6/16
in hindsight I think the media did a very poor job (over decades) in making people aware of what was going on in the EU, how it works, and who our key people involved were
you'd think at least our top person in Europe would be widely known and instantly recognisable. They still aren't even after this.
posted on 28/6/16
comment by GunaDave (U7710)
posted 43 seconds ago
Admin 1
5 a side. Seems like he would rather be playing hand ball.
We weren't happy with the rule of the EU we are now looking for a different game to play.
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Which is fine but the other member states will very much only be playing 5-aside with us.
posted on 28/6/16
comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 3 minutes ago
in hindsight I think the media did a very poor job (over decades) in making people aware of what was going on in the EU, how it works, and who our key people involved were
you'd think at least our top person in Europe would be widely known and instantly recognisable. They still aren't even after this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In fairness the media were too busy lambasting the EU about bringing in laws about the size/shape of bananas and not the more important laws that actually shape every day life.
posted on 28/6/16
The EU isn't in the strongest position itself though, if they try to screw us over in negotiations out of spite then it will fuel the eurosceptics across Europe.
posted on 28/6/16
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