Right, so 27 countries unanimously agree that the 4 cornerstones of the EU have to remain intact and that there is no access to the single market without adhering to those 4 cornerstones, but in reality it is all lies because what they really mean is that for the UK who just stabbed them all 27 in the back, they will make an exception

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Things change. And they will have to if the EU wants to remain as an entity.

We will see how rigid they are come September when negotiations will start.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted less than a minute ago
Right, so 27 countries unanimously agree that the 4 cornerstones of the EU have to remain intact and that there is no access to the single market without adhering to those 4 cornerstones, but in reality it is all lies because what they really mean is that for the UK who just stabbed them all 27 in the back, they will make an exception

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Things change. And they will have to if the EU wants to remain as an entity.

We will see how rigid they are come September when negotiations will start.
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Both sides have things to lose from a poor deal. Britain have an advantage in one fact. We are free to re-negotiate with teh rest of the world while the EU already has deals in place they have to adhere to. Their position has been weakened by our leaving.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)



posted 48 minutes ago


And you ask who are 'they'? The people who campaigned for 'vote leave' - it's their communication website.
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Why would they have an exit plan? One of them isn't even a sitting MP.
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Why wouldn't they have an exit plan, they were campaigning for an exit, alongside an MEP

Email Juncker with your plan

I'd guess he could do with cheering up at the moment.

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Junker has his own arrogance to blame.

comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)

posted 46 minutes ago

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 4 minutes ago

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Boris is not the Prime Minister.

Only the Prime Minister can implement any plan, and push the button to leave, and the incumbent has no appetite to do either
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You must have seen the word 'implement' in;
"So it's displaying their exit plan now then"

Can you point out where my good man?

Cheers

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Oops no answer still

And you ask who are 'they'? The people who campaigned for 'vote leave' - it's their communication website.
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But he is not the PM.

If he gets it, or in his leadership campaign, you will see one.

If he does not get it someone else will have to have the plan.

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What do you mean 'he' ? unless you think the whole of the vote leave movement is 1 man?

I didn't mention a name did I?

I said the vote leave website is now displaying their exit plan(!)

comment by Spaireland (U1250)
posted 4 minutes ago
Their position has been weakened by our leaving.
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Yes because alone you stand stronger than united
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Sometimes yes if the people you are united with are holding you back.

Your left wing view doesnt always hold true in cold hard life.

Spanish PM pretty cheesed off with Scotland trying to stay in the EU if the UK leaves. Looks like the SNP will have to do a lot of begging

Their position has been weakened by our leaving.
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We're standing alone as a nation of 60m v a collective trade negotiation with an entity of 440m.

If there was a priority negotiation for me to sell my product, it would be to the entity of 440m.. the 60m can get wait.

comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)

posted 1 minute ago

Spanish PM pretty cheesed off with Scotland trying to stay in the EU if the UK leaves. Looks like the SNP will have to do a lot of begging

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because he doesn't want the Catalan province to get ideas for a break away.

Can somebody explain to me how we've stabbed anyone in the back?

I've obviously missed the bit where we signed up to the EU for eternity.

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted less than a minute ago
Their position has been weakened by our leaving.
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?

We're standing alone as a nation of 60m v a collective trade negotiation with an entity of 440m.

If there was a priority negotiation for me to sell my product, it would be to the entity of 440m.. the 60m can get wait.

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The EU's negotiating position has just been weakened by the 5th biggest economy in the world leaving and you dont think their negotiating position has been weakened. You're just making yourself look stupid now.

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)

posted 1 minute ago

Spanish PM pretty cheesed off with Scotland trying to stay in the EU if the UK leaves. Looks like the SNP will have to do a lot of begging

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because he doesn't want the Catalan province to get ideas for a break away.

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Exactly , really bad news for the SNP. Looks like they will need independence and then apply to join

Why wouldn't they have an exit plan, they were campaigning for an exit, alongside an MEP

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A lot of the people campaigning for the exit are not members of the Government.

It is the Government who have to come up with the exit plan. This is common knowledge. At least I thought it was.

comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 12 seconds ago
Spanish PM pretty cheesed off with Scotland trying to stay in the EU if the UK leaves. Looks like the SNP will have to do a lot of begging
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The Spanish establishment are continually cacking their pants about the demands for independence from the Basque Country and Cataluña.

They've always been fearful of the break up of the UK.

comment by I am gooner now (U16927)

posted 7 seconds ago

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted less than a minute ago
Their position has been weakened by our leaving.
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?

We're standing alone as a nation of 60m v a collective trade negotiation with an entity of 440m.

If there was a priority negotiation for me to sell my product, it would be to the entity of 440m.. the 60m can get wait.

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The EU's negotiating position has just been weakened by the 5th biggest economy in the world leaving and you dont think their negotiating position has been weakened. You're just making yourself look stupid now.

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you continually appear ill informed. Sure the EU is slightly weaker now only representing 440m people. However if there was a market for 440m to negotiate access to or 60m..

The 440m would get priority in my book.

So if their position hasnt been weakened why is TTIP already at risk frollowing the vote?

Its because with the lose of the UK marklets the US will not agree to the terms they had agreed with us in it and they want to renegotiate. The EU are weaker without us. FACT.

The Spanish establishment are continually cacking their pants about the demands for independence from the Basque Country and Cataluña.

They've always been fearful of the break up of the UK.

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And this doesn't change anything. Scotland will need the vote of all member states.

They are not going to get one from Spain.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)

posted 2 minutes ago

Why wouldn't they have an exit plan, they were campaigning for an exit, alongside an MEP
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A lot of the people campaigning for the exit are not members of the Government.

It is the Government who have to come up with the exit plan. This is common knowledge. At least I thought it was.
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Then you're mistaken.
If the leave campaigners had designs on achieving an end result, they would have a plan on what that would entail and what they would have to do.

They didn't expect to win, hence not having the foresight of having any semblance of a plan (and Farage's early concession)

comment by Spaireland (U1250)
posted 4 minutes ago
Import tax is a lot higher than 1.5%
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I did look for them. I found a site with that figure, and another saying UK/US trade is under 2%.

We are a net importer from the EU. Higher tariffs would punish the EU more than us.

British car exports were worth €18bn to Germany. A third of their EU trade surplus was from us.

In what world would a petty, punitive tariff system bebworthwhile? Risking jobs in a continent with severe financial difficulties it makes no sense. It would punish Ireland. It would possibly punish Scotland too if they leave

comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted less than a minute ago
Their position has been weakened by our leaving.
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?

We're standing alone as a nation of 60m v a collective trade negotiation with an entity of 440m.

If there was a priority negotiation for me to sell my product, it would be to the entity of 440m.. the 60m can get wait.

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The EU's negotiating position has just been weakened by the 5th biggest economy in the world leaving and you dont think their negotiating position has been weakened. You're just making yourself look stupid now.
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At the point at which we leave the EU, we will have either zero or one trade agreements in place.

The EU will have its own internal free trade mechanism, as well as agreements in place with fifty other countries, likely including Canada and the US, and quite possibly the MERCOSUR bloc, Russia and India (negotiations ongoing with all three).

I would say that puts them in a fairly strong negotiating position in itself.

More importantly, they know that if they allow Britain to get away with direct access to the single market without accepting unrestricted freedom of movement, the EU will be signing its own death warrant. Why on earth would they do that?

We have to get over the idea that we are some kind of special case and that the EU cannot do without us; it's just a fallacy.

The EU are weaker without us. FACT.

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The UK are weaker outside the EU.. FACT

comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 2 minutes ago
So if their position hasnt been weakened why is TTIP already at risk frollowing the vote?

Its because with the lose of the UK marklets the US will not agree to the terms they had agreed with us in it and they want to renegotiate. The EU are weaker without us. FACT.
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Nobody is saying the EU isn't weaker without the UK. Of course it is.

comment by rossobianchi - carry me back to the Stretford End (U17054)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 2 minutes ago
So if their position hasnt been weakened why is TTIP already at risk frollowing the vote?

Its because with the lose of the UK marklets the US will not agree to the terms they had agreed with us in it and they want to renegotiate. The EU are weaker without us. FACT.
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Nobody is saying the EU isn't weaker without the UK. Of course it is.
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Read the comments above, thats exactly what theyre saying.