trump may well have been an awful candidate but hilary was equally chit in every respect and too lose when you have everything going for you from the backing of public figures to the mainstream press all whilst demozing the opposiition shows hwo truly chit she was.
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posted 1 minute ago
Scholay, that was truly caring factor 11. I slightly disagree about her caring. I think she does actually, but she is just not very charismatic and every attempt is so forced and unnatural.
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I guess so Brightdave. But as you say, everything she said came across like a typical politician speaking- nothing different. Trump never really said sweet fark, all he banged on about was getting the country back.To borrow Neville's quote, " It's like having to choose between two blokes to nick your wife."
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comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
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comment by Brightdave: (U11711)
posted 1 minute ago
Scholay, that was truly caring factor 11. I slightly disagree about her caring. I think she does actually, but she is just not very charismatic and every attempt is so forced and unnatural.
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I guess so Brightdave. But as you say, everything she said came across like a typical politician speaking- nothing different. Trump never really said sweet fark, all he banged on about was getting the country back.To borrow Neville's quote, " It's like having to choose between two blokes to nick your wife."
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Hehe, yeah that's it in a nutshell. That's why nearly half the country didn't vote.
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The way the electoral college works can also deter people from voting and in some cases render the votes kind of pointless.
Look at MA. About 40% didn't turn out to vote as they new it was a democratic winning state no matter what. Similar story in any other states that are nailed on red or blue
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posted 10 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 37 seconds ago
"Fact is, most people haven't had a voice in politics for decades, now they're sick of it and the result is the opposition. Unfortunately they come in the shape of Brexit and Trump."
People have had a voice in politics for over 100 years.
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Really?
If you call choice voting for a government who then change everything about their original manifesto, continue to make life more and more difficult for the average person and selling off all the public assets, then okay.
At least American states have votes on laws that are passed, in the UK it's realistically a choice between two very liberal parties.
The reason Tump and Brexit won the votes, is not because we are nations of racists and homophobes. The reason is so many people are at the point in which they have so little to lose, they may as well vote for the people who offer something different.
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I would add to that excellent last point you made, that the Left, that most seem to think the people are rallying against and is "killing debate", doesn't actually have an option, hence the millions of young people and Left leaning voters who sat out both the EU ref and US GE. That is slowly change in the UK with Corbyn's labour and will change in the US when the Dems get taken over by the left. I almost didn't vote for the first time int he EUref as I thought either choice wouldn't make that much difference, but held my nose and voted in.
Absolute nonsense that the left kills debate. The people who kill debate are the centrist elite who do well out of the way things are and don't want to upset the apple cart. The actual Left want change, which starts with, you guessed it, debate.
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Calling someone Left and another right is a pretty stupid place to start.
For the world to actually improve we need to have a smarter approach and far better policies based on facts, studies and intelligence not some sort of politcal barometer.
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 5 hours, 6 minutes ago
I guess so Brightdave. But as you say, everything she said came across like a typical politician speaking- nothing different. Trump never really said sweet fark, all he banged on about was getting the country back.To borrow Neville's quote, " It's like having to choose between two blokes to nick your wife."
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And in case of doubt, you go for the one with incredibly small fingers.
Good read and I have gone through the posts on this thread. A few posts that make me go
1. The left wants debate
2. In order for us to debate, we need to use facts. If we can agree to this, we will have an excellent debate
3. Freedom of Speech does not mean you are free from the consequences of your speech
If the "right" can agree to this and present facts to support their views as opposed to feelings, we will have an excellent discussion.
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 13 minutes ago
A few posts that make me go
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Any of your own?
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 11 hours, 26 minutes ago
trump may well have been an awful candidate but hilary was equally chit in every respect and too lose when you have everything going for you from the backing of public figures to the mainstream press all whilst demozing the opposiition shows hwo truly chit she was.
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To be fair I think the FBI have a lot to answer for. You do not say, a week before the election we are looking into Clinton email then only for the day before the election to say, na its ok there's nothing there.
I think the FBI won it for Trump, maybe they have a vested interest in it.
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comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 47 minutes ago
Good read and I have gone through the posts on this thread. A few posts that make me go
1. The left wants debate
2. In order for us to debate, we need to use facts. If we can agree to this, we will have an excellent debate
3. Freedom of Speech does not mean you are free from the consequences of your speech
If the "right" can agree to this and present facts to support their views as opposed to feelings, we will have an excellent discussion.
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So only the left speak in facts?
Far lefties need to control their anger issues befroe engaging in debate
Same people need to understand, and stop being so F'ing smug, that their opinion is not the only "right" one.
I'm not rigth leaning however I 100% think the far left do far more to stop debate than the right do at the moment, just have one look at a modern college campus and see what happens when anyone who doesn;t agre ewoth a far left liberal agenda is treated.
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 47 minutes ago
Good read and I have gone through the posts on this thread. A few posts that make me go
1. The left wants debate
2. In order for us to debate, we need to use facts. If we can agree to this, we will have an excellent debate
3. Freedom of Speech does not mean you are free from the consequences of your speech
If the "right" can agree to this and present facts to support their views as opposed to feelings, we will have an excellent discussion.
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So only the left speak in facts?
Far lefties need to control their anger issues befroe engaging in debate
Same people need to understand, and stop being so F'ing smug, that their opinion is not the only "right" one.
I'm not rigth leaning however I 100% think the far left do far more to stop debate than the right do at the moment, just have one look at a modern college campus and see what happens when anyone who doesn;t agre ewoth a far left liberal agenda is treated.
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I don't know about you, I'm not totally left, probably in the middle with left tendencies. But I have never herd anyone from the right use facts. In-fact every time I hear anything from the right it's lies.
comment by Number 1 unless we are number 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,... (U15631)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 47 minutes ago
Good read and I have gone through the posts on this thread. A few posts that make me go
1. The left wants debate
2. In order for us to debate, we need to use facts. If we can agree to this, we will have an excellent debate
3. Freedom of Speech does not mean you are free from the consequences of your speech
If the "right" can agree to this and present facts to support their views as opposed to feelings, we will have an excellent discussion.
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So only the left speak in facts?
Far lefties need to control their anger issues befroe engaging in debate
Same people need to understand, and stop being so F'ing smug, that their opinion is not the only "right" one.
I'm not rigth leaning however I 100% think the far left do far more to stop debate than the right do at the moment, just have one look at a modern college campus and see what happens when anyone who doesn;t agre ewoth a far left liberal agenda is treated.
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I don't know about you, I'm not totally left, probably in the middle with left tendencies. But I have never herd anyone from the right use facts. In-fact every time I hear anything from the right it's lies.
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Come on mate 'never'?
You will find both lies and facts on both sides of the political spectrum.
comment by The Sniper (U21079)
posted 24 minutes ago
You will find both lies and facts on both sides of the political spectrum.
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Don't get me wrong, the left lies as well, but i don't think i can remember a time when someone from the right was telling the complete truth.
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Number 1 unless we are number 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 -
I think it depends on what the topic is. I lean towards the right on some issues but towards the left on others. I don't think anyone should identify themselves as being purely right or left wing, as it will lead to them being somewhat close minded.
comment by Mourinho delenda est (U6426)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 13 minutes ago
A few posts that make me go
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Any of your own?
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No, I am always right
Look, to have a debate is very simple.
Present your argument and the supporting facts.
When the left does this, we are called smug, arrogant, etc.
Should we not debate using facts?
As far as distortion with no nuance goes, the right are far more adept at misinformation campaigns. By far. Conspiracy theories traffic far more in right wing discourse: whether it's about how many people the Clintons murdered, or how Obama is a Kenyan-born Muslim. Delegitimization and vindictive witch-hunts are also a peculiarly right-wing thing. Hence, an avalanche of false scandals that have followed the Clintons for decades. Look at the farce about Benghazi. Who would know dozens of fatal attacks on U.S embassies have occurred under every administration over the past few decades.
After 9/11, Americans and much of the word were united in grief and empathy. Not a lot of blames were passed around other than the intelligence community getting some stick. I can assure you that happened because it wasn't someone like Obama in power. Who can begin to imagine the response of the Faux news press to such a catastrophe on Obama or Hillary's watch.
Paranoia about biased media coverage is also more a right wing thing. Both sides lie, and distort and fabricate. But one side has always tended to play a far dirtier game of lies.
Exactly Sheriff, and contrary to what they say, the right tends to favour fascism over democracy.
It comes through on people they vote for, their political views and their penchant for wanting govt intervention in the private lives of people
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 4 minutes ago
As far as distortion with no nuance goes, the right are far more adept at misinformation campaigns. By far. Conspiracy theories traffic far more in right wing discourse: whether it's about how many people the Clintons murdered, or how Obama is a Kenyan-born Muslim. Delegitimization and vindictive witch-hunts are also a peculiarly right-wing thing. Hence, an avalanche of false scandals that have followed the Clintons for decades. Look at the farce about Benghazi. Who would know dozens of fatal attacks on U.S embassies have occurred under every administration over the past few decades.
After 9/11, Americans and much of the word were united in grief and empathy. Not a lot of blames were passed around other than the intelligence community getting some stick. I can assure you that happened because it wasn't someone like Obama in power. Who can begin to imagine the response of the Faux news press to such a catastrophe on Obama or Hillary's watch.
Paranoia about biased media coverage is also more a right wing thing. Both sides lie, and distort and fabricate. But one side has always tended to play a far dirtier game of lies.
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comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 minute ago
Exactly Sheriff, and contrary to what they say, the right tends to favour fascism over democracy.
It comes through on people they vote for, their political views and their penchant for wanting govt intervention in the private lives of people
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The left are very capable of fascism too MuDD. That is something we should all agree on
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posted on 14/11/16
trump may well have been an awful candidate but hilary was equally chit in every respect and too lose when you have everything going for you from the backing of public figures to the mainstream press all whilst demozing the opposiition shows hwo truly chit she was.
posted on 14/11/16
comment by Brightdave: (U11711)
posted 1 minute ago
Scholay, that was truly caring factor 11. I slightly disagree about her caring. I think she does actually, but she is just not very charismatic and every attempt is so forced and unnatural.
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I guess so Brightdave. But as you say, everything she said came across like a typical politician speaking- nothing different. Trump never really said sweet fark, all he banged on about was getting the country back.To borrow Neville's quote, " It's like having to choose between two blokes to nick your wife."
posted on 14/11/16
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comment by Brightdave: (U11711)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Brightdave: (U11711)
posted 1 minute ago
Scholay, that was truly caring factor 11. I slightly disagree about her caring. I think she does actually, but she is just not very charismatic and every attempt is so forced and unnatural.
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I guess so Brightdave. But as you say, everything she said came across like a typical politician speaking- nothing different. Trump never really said sweet fark, all he banged on about was getting the country back.To borrow Neville's quote, " It's like having to choose between two blokes to nick your wife."
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Hehe, yeah that's it in a nutshell. That's why nearly half the country didn't vote.
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The way the electoral college works can also deter people from voting and in some cases render the votes kind of pointless.
Look at MA. About 40% didn't turn out to vote as they new it was a democratic winning state no matter what. Similar story in any other states that are nailed on red or blue
posted on 15/11/16
comment by Mumbai Mkhitaryan (U3867)
posted 10 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 37 seconds ago
"Fact is, most people haven't had a voice in politics for decades, now they're sick of it and the result is the opposition. Unfortunately they come in the shape of Brexit and Trump."
People have had a voice in politics for over 100 years.
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Really?
If you call choice voting for a government who then change everything about their original manifesto, continue to make life more and more difficult for the average person and selling off all the public assets, then okay.
At least American states have votes on laws that are passed, in the UK it's realistically a choice between two very liberal parties.
The reason Tump and Brexit won the votes, is not because we are nations of racists and homophobes. The reason is so many people are at the point in which they have so little to lose, they may as well vote for the people who offer something different.
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I would add to that excellent last point you made, that the Left, that most seem to think the people are rallying against and is "killing debate", doesn't actually have an option, hence the millions of young people and Left leaning voters who sat out both the EU ref and US GE. That is slowly change in the UK with Corbyn's labour and will change in the US when the Dems get taken over by the left. I almost didn't vote for the first time int he EUref as I thought either choice wouldn't make that much difference, but held my nose and voted in.
Absolute nonsense that the left kills debate. The people who kill debate are the centrist elite who do well out of the way things are and don't want to upset the apple cart. The actual Left want change, which starts with, you guessed it, debate.
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posted on 15/11/16
Calling someone Left and another right is a pretty stupid place to start.
For the world to actually improve we need to have a smarter approach and far better policies based on facts, studies and intelligence not some sort of politcal barometer.
posted on 15/11/16
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 5 hours, 6 minutes ago
I guess so Brightdave. But as you say, everything she said came across like a typical politician speaking- nothing different. Trump never really said sweet fark, all he banged on about was getting the country back.To borrow Neville's quote, " It's like having to choose between two blokes to nick your wife."
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And in case of doubt, you go for the one with incredibly small fingers.
posted on 15/11/16
Good read and I have gone through the posts on this thread. A few posts that make me go
1. The left wants debate
2. In order for us to debate, we need to use facts. If we can agree to this, we will have an excellent debate
3. Freedom of Speech does not mean you are free from the consequences of your speech
If the "right" can agree to this and present facts to support their views as opposed to feelings, we will have an excellent discussion.
posted on 15/11/16
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 13 minutes ago
A few posts that make me go
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Any of your own?
posted on 15/11/16
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 11 hours, 26 minutes ago
trump may well have been an awful candidate but hilary was equally chit in every respect and too lose when you have everything going for you from the backing of public figures to the mainstream press all whilst demozing the opposiition shows hwo truly chit she was.
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To be fair I think the FBI have a lot to answer for. You do not say, a week before the election we are looking into Clinton email then only for the day before the election to say, na its ok there's nothing there.
I think the FBI won it for Trump, maybe they have a vested interest in it.
posted on 15/11/16
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posted on 15/11/16
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 47 minutes ago
Good read and I have gone through the posts on this thread. A few posts that make me go
1. The left wants debate
2. In order for us to debate, we need to use facts. If we can agree to this, we will have an excellent debate
3. Freedom of Speech does not mean you are free from the consequences of your speech
If the "right" can agree to this and present facts to support their views as opposed to feelings, we will have an excellent discussion.
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So only the left speak in facts?
Far lefties need to control their anger issues befroe engaging in debate
Same people need to understand, and stop being so F'ing smug, that their opinion is not the only "right" one.
I'm not rigth leaning however I 100% think the far left do far more to stop debate than the right do at the moment, just have one look at a modern college campus and see what happens when anyone who doesn;t agre ewoth a far left liberal agenda is treated.
posted on 15/11/16
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 47 minutes ago
Good read and I have gone through the posts on this thread. A few posts that make me go
1. The left wants debate
2. In order for us to debate, we need to use facts. If we can agree to this, we will have an excellent debate
3. Freedom of Speech does not mean you are free from the consequences of your speech
If the "right" can agree to this and present facts to support their views as opposed to feelings, we will have an excellent discussion.
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So only the left speak in facts?
Far lefties need to control their anger issues befroe engaging in debate
Same people need to understand, and stop being so F'ing smug, that their opinion is not the only "right" one.
I'm not rigth leaning however I 100% think the far left do far more to stop debate than the right do at the moment, just have one look at a modern college campus and see what happens when anyone who doesn;t agre ewoth a far left liberal agenda is treated.
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I don't know about you, I'm not totally left, probably in the middle with left tendencies. But I have never herd anyone from the right use facts. In-fact every time I hear anything from the right it's lies.
posted on 15/11/16
comment by Number 1 unless we are number 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,... (U15631)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 47 minutes ago
Good read and I have gone through the posts on this thread. A few posts that make me go
1. The left wants debate
2. In order for us to debate, we need to use facts. If we can agree to this, we will have an excellent debate
3. Freedom of Speech does not mean you are free from the consequences of your speech
If the "right" can agree to this and present facts to support their views as opposed to feelings, we will have an excellent discussion.
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So only the left speak in facts?
Far lefties need to control their anger issues befroe engaging in debate
Same people need to understand, and stop being so F'ing smug, that their opinion is not the only "right" one.
I'm not rigth leaning however I 100% think the far left do far more to stop debate than the right do at the moment, just have one look at a modern college campus and see what happens when anyone who doesn;t agre ewoth a far left liberal agenda is treated.
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I don't know about you, I'm not totally left, probably in the middle with left tendencies. But I have never herd anyone from the right use facts. In-fact every time I hear anything from the right it's lies.
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Come on mate 'never'?
posted on 15/11/16
You will find both lies and facts on both sides of the political spectrum.
posted on 15/11/16
comment by The Sniper (U21079)
posted 24 minutes ago
You will find both lies and facts on both sides of the political spectrum.
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Don't get me wrong, the left lies as well, but i don't think i can remember a time when someone from the right was telling the complete truth.
posted on 15/11/16
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posted on 15/11/16
Number 1 unless we are number 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 -
I think it depends on what the topic is. I lean towards the right on some issues but towards the left on others. I don't think anyone should identify themselves as being purely right or left wing, as it will lead to them being somewhat close minded.
posted on 15/11/16
comment by Mourinho delenda est (U6426)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 13 minutes ago
A few posts that make me go
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Any of your own?
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No, I am always right
posted on 15/11/16
Look, to have a debate is very simple.
Present your argument and the supporting facts.
When the left does this, we are called smug, arrogant, etc.
Should we not debate using facts?
posted on 15/11/16
As far as distortion with no nuance goes, the right are far more adept at misinformation campaigns. By far. Conspiracy theories traffic far more in right wing discourse: whether it's about how many people the Clintons murdered, or how Obama is a Kenyan-born Muslim. Delegitimization and vindictive witch-hunts are also a peculiarly right-wing thing. Hence, an avalanche of false scandals that have followed the Clintons for decades. Look at the farce about Benghazi. Who would know dozens of fatal attacks on U.S embassies have occurred under every administration over the past few decades.
After 9/11, Americans and much of the word were united in grief and empathy. Not a lot of blames were passed around other than the intelligence community getting some stick. I can assure you that happened because it wasn't someone like Obama in power. Who can begin to imagine the response of the Faux news press to such a catastrophe on Obama or Hillary's watch.
Paranoia about biased media coverage is also more a right wing thing. Both sides lie, and distort and fabricate. But one side has always tended to play a far dirtier game of lies.
posted on 15/11/16
Exactly Sheriff, and contrary to what they say, the right tends to favour fascism over democracy.
It comes through on people they vote for, their political views and their penchant for wanting govt intervention in the private lives of people
posted on 15/11/16
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 4 minutes ago
As far as distortion with no nuance goes, the right are far more adept at misinformation campaigns. By far. Conspiracy theories traffic far more in right wing discourse: whether it's about how many people the Clintons murdered, or how Obama is a Kenyan-born Muslim. Delegitimization and vindictive witch-hunts are also a peculiarly right-wing thing. Hence, an avalanche of false scandals that have followed the Clintons for decades. Look at the farce about Benghazi. Who would know dozens of fatal attacks on U.S embassies have occurred under every administration over the past few decades.
After 9/11, Americans and much of the word were united in grief and empathy. Not a lot of blames were passed around other than the intelligence community getting some stick. I can assure you that happened because it wasn't someone like Obama in power. Who can begin to imagine the response of the Faux news press to such a catastrophe on Obama or Hillary's watch.
Paranoia about biased media coverage is also more a right wing thing. Both sides lie, and distort and fabricate. But one side has always tended to play a far dirtier game of lies.
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posted on 15/11/16
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 minute ago
Exactly Sheriff, and contrary to what they say, the right tends to favour fascism over democracy.
It comes through on people they vote for, their political views and their penchant for wanting govt intervention in the private lives of people
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The left are very capable of fascism too MuDD. That is something we should all agree on
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