I would have probably voted for Gary Johnson had I lived in the states as libertarian ideals tend to appeal to me more than any others. However, I would have voted for Bernie if he was the Democratic choice or Rand Paul if he was the Republican choice. I don't think people should be politically rigid.

comment by Number 1 unless we are number 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,... (U15631)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Sniper (U21079)
posted 24 minutes ago
You will find both lies and facts on both sides of the political spectrum.
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Don't get me wrong, the left lies as well, but i don't think i can remember a time when someone from the right was telling the complete truth.
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I'd be similar to you in terms of being centre but have leanings to the left, however not very far left at all anymore and this is based on the idea that the left portray of themselves as the moral champions of the world.

Getting fed up of it, like Hillary spends weekd dancing on stage with Jay Z and Bruce, shouting sexual assault and trying to go to the gutter with Trump who had lived there since the campaign began, didn't hear her mention policy once in the final few weeks, really felt she let herself down doing this.

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 7 minutes ago
Exactly Sheriff, and contrary to what they say, the right tends to favour fascism over democracy.

It comes through on people they vote for, their political views and their penchant for wanting govt intervention in the private lives of people
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MUDD would you agree though that the liberal left tend to cherry pick what they want to discuss?

For example you'll see the left campaign for womens rights, fair enough a worthy cause, however they won't dare question womens rights in some ME countries as that goes against their PC culture where you can't question a minority or a religion etc.

This annoys me, although it's more far left to be fair.

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 7 minutes ago
Exactly Sheriff, and contrary to what they say, the right tends to favour fascism over democracy.

It comes through on people they vote for, their political views and their penchant for wanting govt intervention in the private lives of people
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MUDD would you agree though that the liberal left tend to cherry pick what they want to discuss?

For example you'll see the left campaign for womens rights, fair enough a worthy cause, however they won't dare question womens rights in some ME countries as that goes against their PC culture where you can't question a minority or a religion etc.

This annoys me, although it's more far left to be fair.
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Any liberal worth their salt - no, any human being worth their salt - will condemn in the strongest possible terms the treatment of women in many of the countries in the Middle East.

Not sure about that KR, to use you example, there are plenty of international groups campaigning for women's rights all over the world - and there are some groups that focus on particular places probably based on what is practical for themselves personally.

Not sure it's reasonable to criticise a groups simply because what they are campaigning for isn't some all encompassing global concern. That's a really, really hard thing to do.

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 7 minutes ago
Exactly Sheriff, and contrary to what they say, the right tends to favour fascism over democracy.

It comes through on people they vote for, their political views and their penchant for wanting govt intervention in the private lives of people
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MUDD would you agree though that the liberal left tend to cherry pick what they want to discuss?

For example you'll see the left campaign for womens rights, fair enough a worthy cause, however they won't dare question womens rights in some ME countries as that goes against their PC culture where you can't question a minority or a religion etc.

This annoys me, although it's more far left to be fair.
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Well, according to HuffPo, Muhammad was the world's "first feminist".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-garrison/muhammad-was-a-feminist_b_12638112.html



I think it's things like this which has given the left a bad rep and is making them disliked.

comment by The Sniper (U21079)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 7 minutes ago
Exactly Sheriff, and contrary to what they say, the right tends to favour fascism over democracy.

It comes through on people they vote for, their political views and their penchant for wanting govt intervention in the private lives of people
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MUDD would you agree though that the liberal left tend to cherry pick what they want to discuss?

For example you'll see the left campaign for womens rights, fair enough a worthy cause, however they won't dare question womens rights in some ME countries as that goes against their PC culture where you can't question a minority or a religion etc.

This annoys me, although it's more far left to be fair.
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Well, according to HuffPo, Muhammad was the world's "first feminist".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-garrison/muhammad-was-a-feminist_b_12638112.html



I think it's things like this which has given the left a bad rep and is making them disliked.
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Have you read the article?

It opens like this:

"The prophet Muhammad would be appalled by how current Islamic Fundamentalists are treating women under their control.

This suppression is done in the name of Islamic Law, known as Sharia. But the current suppression of women is shaped by cultural and history.

It has little basis in the Quran and it is certainly not consistent with anything we know about what Muhammad taught or how he treated women."

The article is condemning the mistreatment of women in parts of the world under autocratic Islamic rule

I think it is jumping all over headlines without reading the details and considering the facts which has given the right a bad rep.

Classic.

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 7 minutes ago
Exactly Sheriff, and contrary to what they say, the right tends to favour fascism over democracy.

It comes through on people they vote for, their political views and their penchant for wanting govt intervention in the private lives of people
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MUDD would you agree though that the liberal left tend to cherry pick what they want to discuss?

For example you'll see the left campaign for womens rights, fair enough a worthy cause, however they won't dare question womens rights in some ME countries as that goes against their PC culture where you can't question a minority or a religion etc.

This annoys me, although it's more far left to be fair.
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This is where it get's muddled. Religion is suppose to be left wing. However, anyone who is really deeply involved (fanatics) will end up being on the right.

comment by rossobianchi says WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB! (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Sniper (U21079)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 7 minutes ago
Exactly Sheriff, and contrary to what they say, the right tends to favour fascism over democracy.

It comes through on people they vote for, their political views and their penchant for wanting govt intervention in the private lives of people
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MUDD would you agree though that the liberal left tend to cherry pick what they want to discuss?

For example you'll see the left campaign for womens rights, fair enough a worthy cause, however they won't dare question womens rights in some ME countries as that goes against their PC culture where you can't question a minority or a religion etc.

This annoys me, although it's more far left to be fair.
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Well, according to HuffPo, Muhammad was the world's "first feminist".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-garrison/muhammad-was-a-feminist_b_12638112.html



I think it's things like this which has given the left a bad rep and is making them disliked.
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Have you read the article?

It opens like this:

"The prophet Muhammad would be appalled by how current Islamic Fundamentalists are treating women under their control.

This suppression is done in the name of Islamic Law, known as Sharia. But the current suppression of women is shaped by cultural and history.

It has little basis in the Quran and it is certainly not consistent with anything we know about what Muhammad taught or how he treated women."

The article is condemning the mistreatment of women in parts of the world under autocratic Islamic rule

I think it is jumping all over headlines without reading the details and considering the facts which has given the right a bad rep.
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The other thing to consider is that islam has always allowed women to study, get jobs and so forth. We live in an age where that is a given but Islam came before the WI with all the same issues.

rossobianchi says WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB! -

Yes, it is condemning the treatment of women but is full of nonsense and religious propaganda that has no factual evidence behind it. Many of these cultural practices stem from religious beliefs.

"Religion is suppose to be left wing. "

Eh?

As I said it's more the far liberal left but I've seen so much hyproicy from liberal left people in the past 12 months that it's just gone beyond a joke.

Take feminist women, you won't see them cmapaigning against Saudi Ariba yet they'll complain about man spreading on the underground

This stuff just damages the liberal left's reputation and makes them a laughing stock in many ways.

And the changes on college campus' is another point to note, extreme liberal beliefs are now, it appears to me, mandatory on campus, that or you're a blah blah blah.

Apologising for the nonsense written and or misinterpreted in ancient books that are still causing trouble/delusion to this day is facking annoying.

Sadly both the right and left do this. The American and British right tend to be religious themselves while typically people leaning strongly to the left in these countries are too overly accepting to call the religious out on the their BS.

It does seem somewhat hypocritical to mention the need for facts, science and evidence yet support a place for religion in modern thinking/society.

comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 1 minute ago
Apologising for the nonsense written and or misinterpreted in ancient books that are still causing trouble/delusion to this day is facking annoying.

Sadly both the right and left do this. The American and British right tend to be religious themselves while typically people leaning strongly to the left in these countries are too overly accepting to call the religious out on the their BS.

It does seem somewhat hypocritical to mention the need for facts, science and evidence yet support a place for religion in modern thinking/society.
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Religion is based on faith, so it science.

I do agree with some points the OP brings up though. I do at times find the far left have caused an issue for the rest of us, but so do the right.

"Religion is based on faith, so it science."

What?

Like students wanting trigger warning against certain books on the curriculum, well you know what if you need a trigger warning then studying literature isn't for you, because literature, at it's very core, is meant to challenge your beliefs, it's meant to make you uncomfortable at times, make you reconsider what you think etc.

Trigger warnings, GTF out of here, that really annoys me, I've a degree in literature studies, to think that you have students questioning a lecturer on what he or she adds to the literature curriculum really annoys me, like some 18 year old fresh out of school should dictate to their lecturer what novels they can or can't select because some may be triggered by the content.
This for me sums up the way the far liberal left are going.

comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 2 minutes ago
"Religion is based on faith, so it science."

What?
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sorry typo, so is Science

comment by The Sniper (U21079)
posted 2 minutes ago
rossobianchi says WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB! -

Yes, it is condemning the treatment of women but is full of nonsense and religious propaganda that has no factual evidence behind it. Many of these cultural practices stem from religious beliefs.
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As did the Inquisition, the Crusades, the ritual slaughter of the Burmese by Buddhists, the witch hunts, the Bartholomew's Day Massacre, the Pogroms in Russia and Germany...

I am no fan of organised religion, in part because it has allowed centuries-old works of fiction to be twisted and manipulated to support the control of people.

But your point was that "things like this [have] given the left a bad rep and is making them disliked," referring to an article that condemns the mistreatment of women in modern-day autocratic Islamic regimes.

If an article, which actually tries to bring some context and evidence, works to persuade people that that under their Islamic beliefs they have an obligation to ensure the fair treatment of women, I fail to see how that's a negative.

comment by Number 1 unless we are number 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 (U15631)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 2 minutes ago
"Religion is based on faith, so it science."

What?
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sorry typo, so is Science
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I assume what you're saying is that not everyone has observed stuff, so they have to take it on faith that other people have? But, you can't just blanket say, "all science is faith", that's silly - it's like saying "there is no weather today", or "I wish the room had a temperature"

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 13 minutes ago
As I said it's more the far liberal left but I've seen so much hyproicy from liberal left people in the past 12 months that it's just gone beyond a joke.

Take feminist women, you won't see them cmapaigning against Saudi Ariba yet they'll complain about man spreading on the underground

This stuff just damages the liberal left's reputation and makes them a laughing stock in many ways.
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Simply not true.

There are millions of human rights campaigners, including but not limited to those who would necessarily identify themselves as feminists, all over the world campaigning about women's rights in the Middle East.

comment by Number 1 unless we are number 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 (U15631)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 2 minutes ago
"Religion is based on faith, so it science."

What?
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sorry typo, so is Science
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Modern science is founded on a principle of an absolute need to verify hypotheses by recording empirical evidence.

It is not about faith. It is about cold, hard, repeatable, physical proof.

comment by rossobianchi says WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB! (U17054)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Number 1 unless we are number 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 (U15631)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 2 minutes ago
"Religion is based on faith, so it science."

What?
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sorry typo, so is Science
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Modern science is founded on a principle of an absolute need to verify hypotheses by recording empirical evidence.

It is not about faith. It is about cold, hard, repeatable, physical proof.
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Matching a hypothesis does not make it true, all you are doing is matching it to a given need and hoping that it is correct. Otherwise science would not be continually developing