comment by Galvs. (U10415)
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comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
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I don't liek the way the DNC try to get teh celebrity vote, like does anyone look to Jay Z and Beyonce to get advice on polititcal issues?
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I detest this as well.
Everything that's wrong about it...........
Because these billionaires have peoples interests at heart
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yeah exactly it's patronising too IMO, to think because bruch or Jay Z support me then all their fans will to.

would have been funny if Trump had played 99 problems by Jay Z when he won

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comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
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comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
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I'd say Trump is probably a higher assassination risk than any other Pres for decades. If he makes it through 4 years I'd be amazed.

Note to CIA and or FBI: If you're reading this, I have no intention of performing this service for you.
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Obama was too in the first few weeks, I remember lots of talk about white supremicists trying to shoot him.

But agree Trump is defo a target, would it really happen though?
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I think Trump is a more likely target for 'the people', while Clinton a more likely target for 'her own people' to garner sympathy/outrage from 'the people'.

comment by Galvs. (U10415)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Galvs. (U10415)
posted 2 minutes ago
The left should blame ourselves for letting our 'leaders' forget why they're on this side.


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Anyone you see from the leader perspective as being to blame for forgetting who they are there to represent?
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I could offer Blair as my first example
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good shout, what's your view on Cobryn?

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comment by Number 1 unless we are number 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,... (U15631)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 48 seconds ago
Like hoping Trump fails so people can say I told you so isn't the answer, same would apply if Hillary had got in.

With Brexit the divide seems to be so strong that it looks like people who voted remain will want the UK to fail (hopefully I'm exaggerating here) again to say I told you so.

That's not going to benefit anyone.
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Really... I was a remainer, however democracy is democracy as they say. Would I like Brexit to fail, of course not. Actually I for one, cannot speak for all remainers, said that we can make brexit great, but it will come at a cost. A cost that most likely will be lingering around for a while, which given the financial situation we are in is not a good thing to hard working honest people. But the issue here is ifs and buts, which is slightly different to staying in the EU.
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I do hope I'm wrong and that the majority are like you mate. The divide seems to be stronger than ever and that's a worry.

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comment by Galvs. (U10415)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Galvs. (U10415)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Galvs. (U10415)
posted 2 minutes ago
The left should blame ourselves for letting our 'leaders' forget why they're on this side.


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Anyone you see from the leader perspective as being to blame for forgetting who they are there to represent?
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I could offer Blair as my first example
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good shout, what's your view on Cobryn?
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Jezza is a nice guy.......sadly I think his principles just dont fit within his own party anymore
Disgraceful that after Cameron fell on his sword that instead of using that as an opportunity, the Labour party decided 'If you think that's bad..watch this' and had an even more embarrassing split within the party.
The bullying of Corbyn within the media (and again his own party) I found disgraceful too.......
People think he's weak because they are told he is....I dunno....I think sadly along with Sanders they've spoke up a little too late and things have moved on.
My only hope is that he engages with the youth of this country.....I wont hold my breath tho.........I think the criticism of him over Brexit is somewhat justified in the sense he did not stick his flag in the mast either way...I get that he didn't want to be seen to be supporting Cameron's side of things but that's the point, party politics makes people forget their own values at times.
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Good post agree with all that, the few days after Cameron stood down were an absolute mess for labour

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Number 1 unless we are number 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,... (U15631)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 48 seconds ago
Like hoping Trump fails so people can say I told you so isn't the answer, same would apply if Hillary had got in.

With Brexit the divide seems to be so strong that it looks like people who voted remain will want the UK to fail (hopefully I'm exaggerating here) again to say I told you so.

That's not going to benefit anyone.
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Really... I was a remainer, however democracy is democracy as they say. Would I like Brexit to fail, of course not. Actually I for one, cannot speak for all remainers, said that we can make brexit great, but it will come at a cost. A cost that most likely will be lingering around for a while, which given the financial situation we are in is not a good thing to hard working honest people. But the issue here is ifs and buts, which is slightly different to staying in the EU.
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I do hope I'm wrong and that the majority are like you mate. The divide seems to be stronger than ever and that's a worry.
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I think I state in another thread, that the divide has happened due to the divisiveness of the campaigns. Same goes in the states. If you attack a group of people, by saying things like they are taking our jobs then expect repercussions later.

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YOU'RE WRONG

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Number 1

I also believe large sections of the media have a lot to answer for, (creating divisions).

Millions of opinions (in regard to the EU) have been influenced following years of misleading propaganda. From bendy bananas, to “swarms” of immigrants ‘invading’ the country.

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
Number 1

I also believe large sections of the media have a lot to answer for, (creating divisions).

Millions of opinions (in regard to the EU) have been influenced following years of misleading propaganda. From bendy bananas, to “swarms” of immigrants ‘invading’ the country.
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Agreed, the media always distort things. I am actually not a fan of the media due to the large influences they have. What the media really need to do is report things from both angles, for everything they do. Just yesterday I was watching the news about Syria. If they on the ground are saying that they are terrorist actually Isis. Who are we to stop them.

comment by Number 1 unless we are number 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 (U15631)
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I don't believe that at all, stacks may be against women, but I think a black man going to state education has a worse time climbing the career ladder. Again a lot of the top jobs are run by women nowadays. You cannot keep saying it's not equally fair for women when in fact it shows that they can get these jobs. PM, German Chancellor, Thia PM, burma's PM, Greece's acting PM, the list goes on. There are so many women in top jobs.
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I'm not going to dispute a lot of this, I feel the racial inequality is far worse than gender inequality; and like you said there are a lot of examples of women making it to the top. Yet there is enough evidence to suggest that opportunities are harder to come by for women, otherwise it would be an even split.
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I don't think we are that far apart, maybe if you take the last 30 years into consideration. I could see your point, but in this day and age I think if it's not 50/50 it must be damn close to it. All the places I have worked (about 9 professionally) there has always been a near 50/50 split between men and women.
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Where do you live? And what sector?

I think the media should be able to be held to account for what they say; there should be a law against lying to get certain people to the top,or whatever your agenda is. Sky, for example, having their own betting website and being in control of the media is beyond unethical.

Thankfully, some people have stood up to these shameful magazines. Lego Co-op #StopFundingHate

Number 1

There’s a campaign that now seems to be gaining some momentum called ‘Stop Funding Hate’

As Levinson etc have been unable to regulate the press, the Stop Funding Hate strategy is to hit the media in the pocket.

By persuading big corporations from ceasing advertising in the likes of the Sun, Mail, Express etc. Understand that the Co-op and Lego have recently announced suspension of advertising in the Mail and Sun.

comment by Edin - the captain of a ship (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
I think the media should be able to be held to account for what they say; there should be a law against lying to get certain people to the top,or whatever your agenda is. Sky, for example, having their own betting website and being in control of the media is beyond unethical.

Thankfully, some people have stood up to these shameful magazines. LegoCo-op#StopFundingHate
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@Admin


I totally suscribe your elephant in the room comment, but to put a timeframe on your "recent times" comment, the wealth gap has been widening throughout the West (for wont of a better term) for a good 30 years now.

Where have we been looking meantime? Well, a good start is another issue you touch upon: advertising. On TV along, average viewing hours mean that by the time a kid reaches voting age, he's been bombarded by anywhere between 500,000 and 1,000,000 adverts, the common theme of virtually every single one is "buy this, it'll make you happy". We're wired almost from the cradle to believe our happiness resides in the latest launch by Apple - logically so, because without this the wheels would truly come off.

I'm no expert in history or sociology, but imo it cannot be a coincidence that this era of increasing income gaps and erosion of welfare systems coincides approximately with the fall of the Berlin Wall. I don't think it's a coincidence either that the decades over which the welfare state was put together were those when the spread of Communism was a very real threat. Neither is it surprising that many of the foundations for the welfare system were initially laid down by the political right, or that this allegedly occured precisely because of the concerns raised as regards the increasing power of labour movements.

My opinion is that we are reaching a critical mass of citizens who are so disenchanted with the established system, that over the next few decades either the decision-makers and the people pulling their strings rein in their unabated greed and start putting something back into the system they're leeching, or it's all going to end in tears.

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comment by Edin - the captain of a ship (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Number 1 unless we are number 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 (U15631)
posted 39 minutes ago
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I don't believe that at all, stacks may be against women, but I think a black man going to state education has a worse time climbing the career ladder. Again a lot of the top jobs are run by women nowadays. You cannot keep saying it's not equally fair for women when in fact it shows that they can get these jobs. PM, German Chancellor, Thia PM, burma's PM, Greece's acting PM, the list goes on. There are so many women in top jobs.
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I'm not going to dispute a lot of this, I feel the racial inequality is far worse than gender inequality; and like you said there are a lot of examples of women making it to the top. Yet there is enough evidence to suggest that opportunities are harder to come by for women, otherwise it would be an even split.
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I don't think we are that far apart, maybe if you take the last 30 years into consideration. I could see your point, but in this day and age I think if it's not 50/50 it must be damn close to it. All the places I have worked (about 9 professionally) there has always been a near 50/50 split between men and women.
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Where do you live? And what sector?
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I live in UK and work in the IT sector, so you could say I work in the worst possible place for women. But the lack of females in this sector has nothing to do with equality, it's all to do with education and perceptiveness. The reason many women are not employed in the IT sector (and by the way there are loads, like I said my boss is a female) is because they perceive it either beneath them or have some pre conceptions about people who work in IT. Nothing to do with equality.

Tears it is then. As soon as someone let's go of any reins there will be someone coming up from behind to grab them and get their share before there's nothing left.

I'm sure we're pretty much all familair with that popular student poster of the american indian going about how you can't eat money.....

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 10 minutes ago
Number 1

There’s a campaign that now seems to be gaining some momentum called ‘Stop Funding Hate’

As Levinson etc have been unable to regulate the press, the Stop Funding Hate strategy is to hit the media in the pocket.

By persuading big corporations from ceasing advertising in the likes of the Sun, Mail, Express etc. Understand that the Co-op and Lego have recently announced suspension of advertising in the Mail and Sun.
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It's a start I suppose, but by all means it is not only the press. I see it on the BBC as well. Bias reporting constantly.

comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 3 minutes ago
Tears it is then. As soon as someone let's go of any reins there will be someone coming up from behind to grab them and get their share before there's nothing left.

I'm sure we're pretty much all familair with that popular student poster of the american indian going about how you can't eat money.....
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Actually there's an alternative and not wholly unlikely scenario, in which such a degree of social/mind control is attained that we're all more than happy with our lot. And given the choice between the realisation of what that may actually involve or living in the most absoolute bliss, I'm tempted to suggest that 1984 might not be such a bad idea after all.