comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 51 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 5 minutes ago
Denmark might not be socialist economically but its high taxes go to fund its social services and public safety net, based on the common good, the group rather than the individual. Thats the main reason Danes are a happy lot.
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Tis true.

I was surprised to see Portugal lower than I expected in the happiness index.
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It’s too hot there.
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Aaaaaaaaaah genius

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 7 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 2 minutes ago
You do have market socialist economies though, as seen in China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_market_economy

So whilst I think Insert in mistaken on communism - you do have different types of socialism which exist.
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Indeed we do and because of that fact Insert was also wrong to label Denmark as socialist
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It's got a large number of socialised services..

A great example is their energy network, nationally owned

Energy generation is a hybrid model, but even where assets are privately owned energy Installations have to set aside 20% of its shares for the local populace.

Their railways are also nationally owned as is the water supply, Hardly a bastion of the Neo-liberalist free market you espouse Satters, it's the epitome of modern socialism, Whereby essential public services are not being exploited for the extraction of wealth.


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Pivot, dodge, avoid.

Please admit you were wrong rather than banging on about services please.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen you admit you were wrong about anything so far, it would be refreshing.

Say it - ‘Denmark is not socialist’
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No, because it is Scandi - Socialist.

You have already agreed it's socialist view on things like a public safety net, benefits etc and as I have pointed out all of its essential services are also nationalised. Again a hallmark of modern socialism, and something all modern socialist call for.. Sanders, AOC, Corbyn, McDonnell, none of them are calling for luxury goods/services to be seized.. such an outlook is not relevant to modern centre left socialism, it's still socialism

Denmark is exactly the model that modern democratic socialists want to follow, Strong safety nets and public services, essential services kept out of private hands.

Socialised: fire, health, energy, water, rail, police, strong social security, benefits, pension.

Please, feel free to provide some actual evidence to the contrary.

Also, I thought you wanted to keep snarky personal comments out of it?!

A little hypocritical no?

comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 7 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 2 minutes ago
You do have market socialist economies though, as seen in China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_market_economy

So whilst I think Insert in mistaken on communism - you do have different types of socialism which exist.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Indeed we do and because of that fact Insert was also wrong to label Denmark as socialist
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's got a large number of socialised services..

A great example is their energy network, nationally owned

Energy generation is a hybrid model, but even where assets are privately owned energy Installations have to set aside 20% of its shares for the local populace.

Their railways are also nationally owned as is the water supply, Hardly a bastion of the Neo-liberalist free market you espouse Satters, it's the epitome of modern socialism, Whereby essential public services are not being exploited for the extraction of wealth.


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Pivot, dodge, avoid.

Please admit you were wrong rather than banging on about services please.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen you admit you were wrong about anything so far, it would be refreshing.

Say it - ‘Denmark is not socialist’
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No, because it is Scandi - Socialist.

You have already agreed it's socialist view on things like a public safety net, benefits etc and as I have pointed out all of its essential services are also nationalised. Again a hallmark of modern socialism, and something all modern socialist call for.. Sanders, AOC, Corbyn, McDonnell, none of them are calling for luxury goods/services to be seized.. such an outlook is not relevant to modern centre left socialism, it's still socialism

Denmark is exactly the model that modern democratic socialists want to follow, Strong safety nets and public services, essential services kept out of private hands.

Socialised: fire, health, energy, water, rail, police, strong social security, benefits, pension.

Please, feel free to provide some actual evidence to the contrary.
--------------------------------------------------------------------- You’re now adding modifiers such as modern and scandi. Guess what modifiers do….

Socialist economies do not have private business for profit set up throughout.

Modern social democrats may want to follow the Nordic model but that doesn’t make it a socialist model.

Let's not get caught up on terminology. Let's instead all agree that the Nordic model is great 💓

comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 15 minutes ago
Also, I thought you wanted to keep snarky personal comments out of it?!

A little hypocritical no?
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Saying that I’ve never seen you admit you were wrong isn’t a snarky personal comment…..

I haven’t. Even when you said that vaccines either work or they don’t in response to them reducing transmissibility and effects of viruses which was clearly wrong, you still won’t bring yourself to say ‘yeah ok that was wrong’.

Words mean something mate. Socialist political policy doesn’t mean something is socialist’s economically. The sheer amount of private businesses there should be enough to tell you that you’re incorrect.

The hybrid Nordic models are not “socialist” nor is China as black hawk mentioned.

They’re entirely different things. You accuse me of not understanding or being obtuse when it is you who is using the wrong terminology and now are adding modifiers to cover up your mistake instead of simply saying ‘sorry sat nav I meant modern socialism or scandi socialism, I shouldn’t have just written socialist alone’

comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 2 minutes ago
Let's not get caught up on terminology. Let's instead all agree that the Nordic model is great 💓

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Booooooooo











(And that the free markets save the planet and starving people)

comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 7 minutes ago
Let's not get caught up on terminology. Let's instead all agree that the Nordic model is great 💓

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Should we also install National service in this country? Be it in army or (my own preference) healthcare so people can be called upon during pandemics and other healthcare crises.

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 2 minutes ago
Let's not get caught up on terminology. Let's instead all agree that the Nordic model is great 💓

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Booooooooo











(And that the free markets save the planet and starving people)
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You can have plurality of systems. I would class advocating only one, as being am ideology.

comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 2 minutes ago
Let's not get caught up on terminology. Let's instead all agree that the Nordic model is great 💓

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Booooooooo











(And that the free markets save the planet and starving people)
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You can have plurality of systems. I would class advocating only one, as being am ideology.
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As we have here in the uk

I don’t know if it’s been mentioned but apparently P&O are paying their new Indian crew members £1.20 an hour

comment by 🇺🇦 Boris 'Inky' Gibson 🇺🇦 (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
I don’t know if it’s been mentioned but apparently P&O are paying their new Indian crew members £1.20 an hour
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Whoop - the free market wonderland!

comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 7 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 2 minutes ago
You do have market socialist economies though, as seen in China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_market_economy

So whilst I think Insert in mistaken on communism - you do have different types of socialism which exist.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Indeed we do and because of that fact Insert was also wrong to label Denmark as socialist
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's got a large number of socialised services..

A great example is their energy network, nationally owned

Energy generation is a hybrid model, but even where assets are privately owned energy Installations have to set aside 20% of its shares for the local populace.

Their railways are also nationally owned as is the water supply, Hardly a bastion of the Neo-liberalist free market you espouse Satters, it's the epitome of modern socialism, Whereby essential public services are not being exploited for the extraction of wealth.


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Pivot, dodge, avoid.

Please admit you were wrong rather than banging on about services please.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen you admit you were wrong about anything so far, it would be refreshing.

Say it - ‘Denmark is not socialist’
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No, because it is Scandi - Socialist.

You have already agreed it's socialist view on things like a public safety net, benefits etc and as I have pointed out all of its essential services are also nationalised. Again a hallmark of modern socialism, and something all modern socialist call for.. Sanders, AOC, Corbyn, McDonnell, none of them are calling for luxury goods/services to be seized.. such an outlook is not relevant to modern centre left socialism, it's still socialism

Denmark is exactly the model that modern democratic socialists want to follow, Strong safety nets and public services, essential services kept out of private hands.

Socialised: fire, health, energy, water, rail, police, strong social security, benefits, pension.

Please, feel free to provide some actual evidence to the contrary.
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I think the main challenges for socialists in Denmark are probably the banking system, the lack of any wage protection, and lax (by European standards) labour laws.

On the one hand, the safety net is there. On the other hand, the labour market is pretty (by European standards) unregulated.

It’s be nice to see across Europe the kind of incentives and tax breaks they’re offering to the cooperatives in northern Spain which seem to be flourishing.

comment by 🇺🇦 Boris 'Inky' Gibson 🇺🇦 (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
I don’t know if it’s been mentioned but apparently P&O are paying their new Indian crew members £1.20 an hour
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Hadn’t seen that figure. Hopefully the government can step in somehow and overturn this. Although that is no easy task.

Bit late to the debate, not sure what the best model is for a country but I vote for anything but the American one which brazenly sees millions of homeless people exist all while billionaires get richer and richer off the back of people working minimum wage jobs.

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by 🇺🇦 Boris 'Inky' Gibson 🇺🇦 (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
I don’t know if it’s been mentioned but apparently P&O are paying their new Indian crew members £1.20 an hour
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Hadn’t seen that figure. Hopefully the government can step in somehow and overturn this. Although that is no easy task.
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Almost impossible as it’s likely the crew will be paid via a 3rd party agency based overseas

comment by 🇺🇦 Boris 'Inky' Gibson 🇺🇦 (U5901)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by 🇺🇦 Boris 'Inky' Gibson 🇺🇦 (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
I don’t know if it’s been mentioned but apparently P&O are paying their new Indian crew members £1.20 an hour
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Hadn’t seen that figure. Hopefully the government can step in somehow and overturn this. Although that is no easy task.
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Almost impossible as it’s likely the crew will be paid via a 3rd party agency based overseas
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Agreed. At least there is agreement across all parties about how disgusting this is especially given how we’ve supported it

comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 7 minutes ago
Let's not get caught up on terminology. Let's instead all agree that the Nordic model is great 💓

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Should we also install National service in this country? Be it in army or (my own preference) healthcare so people can be called upon during pandemics and other healthcare crises.
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I’d back this. Think it’s a good grounding for young people especially and also gives us extra support in areas of need.

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 7 minutes ago
Let's not get caught up on terminology. Let's instead all agree that the Nordic model is great 💓

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Should we also install National service in this country? Be it in army or (my own preference) healthcare so people can be called upon during pandemics and other healthcare crises.
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I’d back this. Think it’s a good grounding for young people especially and also gives us extra support in areas of need.
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Probably backed by a person who is past national service age and never worked in either of those fields.

comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 7 minutes ago
Let's not get caught up on terminology. Let's instead all agree that the Nordic model is great 💓

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Should we also install National service in this country? Be it in army or (my own preference) healthcare so people can be called upon during pandemics and other healthcare crises.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’d back this. Think it’s a good grounding for young people especially and also gives us extra support in areas of need.
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Probably backed by a person who is past national service age and never worked in either of those fields.
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Good morning to you too

Jesus - got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 7 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 2 minutes ago
You do have market socialist economies though, as seen in China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_market_economy

So whilst I think Insert in mistaken on communism - you do have different types of socialism which exist.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Indeed we do and because of that fact Insert was also wrong to label Denmark as socialist
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's got a large number of socialised services..

A great example is their energy network, nationally owned

Energy generation is a hybrid model, but even where assets are privately owned energy Installations have to set aside 20% of its shares for the local populace.

Their railways are also nationally owned as is the water supply, Hardly a bastion of the Neo-liberalist free market you espouse Satters, it's the epitome of modern socialism, Whereby essential public services are not being exploited for the extraction of wealth.


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Pivot, dodge, avoid.

Please admit you were wrong rather than banging on about services please.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen you admit you were wrong about anything so far, it would be refreshing.

Say it - ‘Denmark is not socialist’
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No, because it is Scandi - Socialist.

You have already agreed it's socialist view on things like a public safety net, benefits etc and as I have pointed out all of its essential services are also nationalised. Again a hallmark of modern socialism, and something all modern socialist call for.. Sanders, AOC, Corbyn, McDonnell, none of them are calling for luxury goods/services to be seized.. such an outlook is not relevant to modern centre left socialism, it's still socialism

Denmark is exactly the model that modern democratic socialists want to follow, Strong safety nets and public services, essential services kept out of private hands.

Socialised: fire, health, energy, water, rail, police, strong social security, benefits, pension.

Please, feel free to provide some actual evidence to the contrary.
--------------------------------------------------------------------- You’re now adding modifiers such as modern and scandi. Guess what modifiers do….

Socialist economies do not have private business for profit set up throughout.

Modern social democrats may want to follow the Nordic model but that doesn’t make it a socialist model.

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It has socialist principles in all its essential services, ergo its economy is not a free market.

The comment that started this debate off was your claims that free markets are saving the world. Denmark is not a free market, it has a large number of socialist services, as well as a socialist culture. Ergo: it's more socialist than not.

Just because you only see the extremes of socialism doesn't mean the broad range of its policy doesn't exist.

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 7 minutes ago
Let's not get caught up on terminology. Let's instead all agree that the Nordic model is great 💓

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Should we also install National service in this country? Be it in army or (my own preference) healthcare so people can be called upon during pandemics and other healthcare crises.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’d back this. Think it’s a good grounding for young people especially and also gives us extra support in areas of need.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Probably backed by a person who is past national service age and never worked in either of those fields.
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Good morning to you too

Jesus - got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?
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Nope. It's just the standard. Once people get past the age where something doesn't impact them, they become all for enforcing it on the younger generations.

The NHS and other emergency services as well as our armed forces have plenty of "volunteer" roles for anyone interested

comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 7 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 2 minutes ago
You do have market socialist economies though, as seen in China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_market_economy

So whilst I think Insert in mistaken on communism - you do have different types of socialism which exist.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Indeed we do and because of that fact Insert was also wrong to label Denmark as socialist
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's got a large number of socialised services..

A great example is their energy network, nationally owned

Energy generation is a hybrid model, but even where assets are privately owned energy Installations have to set aside 20% of its shares for the local populace.

Their railways are also nationally owned as is the water supply, Hardly a bastion of the Neo-liberalist free market you espouse Satters, it's the epitome of modern socialism, Whereby essential public services are not being exploited for the extraction of wealth.


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Pivot, dodge, avoid.

Please admit you were wrong rather than banging on about services please.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen you admit you were wrong about anything so far, it would be refreshing.

Say it - ‘Denmark is not socialist’
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No, because it is Scandi - Socialist.

You have already agreed it's socialist view on things like a public safety net, benefits etc and as I have pointed out all of its essential services are also nationalised. Again a hallmark of modern socialism, and something all modern socialist call for.. Sanders, AOC, Corbyn, McDonnell, none of them are calling for luxury goods/services to be seized.. such an outlook is not relevant to modern centre left socialism, it's still socialism

Denmark is exactly the model that modern democratic socialists want to follow, Strong safety nets and public services, essential services kept out of private hands.

Socialised: fire, health, energy, water, rail, police, strong social security, benefits, pension.

Please, feel free to provide some actual evidence to the contrary.
--------------------------------------------------------------------- You’re now adding modifiers such as modern and scandi. Guess what modifiers do….

Socialist economies do not have private business for profit set up throughout.

Modern social democrats may want to follow the Nordic model but that doesn’t make it a socialist model.

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It has socialist principles in all its essential services, ergo its economy is not a free market.

The comment that started this debate off was your claims that free markets are saving the world. Denmark is not a free market, it has a large number of socialist services, as well as a socialist culture. Ergo: it's more socialist than not.

Just because you only see the extremes of socialism doesn't mean the broad range of its policy doesn't exist.
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Services are not the economy, policy is not the economy.

Socialism does not promote private businesses designed to make profit. How many socialised businesses are there vs private in Denmark?

You’re doubling down on your mistakes and true to history are refusing to admit your error.

Let’s leave it mate

comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 7 minutes ago
Let's not get caught up on terminology. Let's instead all agree that the Nordic model is great 💓

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Should we also install National service in this country? Be it in army or (my own preference) healthcare so people can be called upon during pandemics and other healthcare crises.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’d back this. Think it’s a good grounding for young people especially and also gives us extra support in areas of need.
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Probably backed by a person who is past national service age and never worked in either of those fields.
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Good morning to you too

Jesus - got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?
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Nope. It's just the standard. Once people get past the age where something doesn't impact them, they become all for enforcing it on the younger generations.
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Would you back it?

Can I not back it because I am older nor have served in the armed services or health service?