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posted on 3/4/20

That is an incorrect reading of what I've written. I've said that you fill any gap you have with a bespoke competition of currently indeterminate length. That way you can keep the completeness of the existing season, accept that we're likely not going to get a full season next year anyway even if we do bring the current one to a close, and fill the space accordingly with a competition that is designed to fit.

posted on 3/4/20

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 39 minutes ago
Personally, I've thought for ages that the talk has been around scrapping the wrong season. 20/21 should be scrapped. The current season should be ended when we can, the Euros would be in the summer, the World Cup the year after that so there would need to be some padding in the 21/22 season anyway. Aim to finish this season by around March or April next year, along with cups and European competitions, have the Euros a bit earlier in the year than usual. Any gap you have before that, you can fill with a bespoke, one-off competition of whatever length you want. The Covid-19 Cup (2021).

But the reason why everyone's struggling to find a solution is because they're so wedded to having a full, complete calendar next season. Scrap that and everything gets a lot easier.
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Yeah because all clubs can easily afford to scrap a whole season and do without a whole years income

Same for SKy, BT and every other business associated with football.

You re seriously suggesting foregoing a whole season is preferable to failing to finishing one that is 75% complete
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You seem to be missing the point

There just isn't the required knowledge about this virus to plan a whole season.

That is why the powers that be appear to be thinking finishing this season is the priority

Once this is one done and we have a clearer forecast for the future you then plan ahead

posted on 3/4/20

Bottom line on every article about this:
Liverpool fans- league must be finished at all costs no matter what
Other fans- whatever is best for my team (barring a few exceptions)
Totally understandable but repetitive and tedious getting imo.

In relation to the contracts situation, I’ve a mate who is a partner in a solicitor firm and was also a pro when he was younger and has a hand in advising some players. Basically he says that while players can of-course agree to stay either by singing new long or short term contracts, or pay as you play.....the league and even FIFA have no jurisdiction over this and if a players contract is up (or he has a buy out clause that another team meets) then he cannot be stopped from moving. Also while FIFA can withhold registration, this would likely lead to a huge legal challenged due to restriction of trade etc... basically it won’t happen and they will try a get players to agree through good will. How likely this is is anyone’s guess

posted on 3/4/20

Delete the season. Health and safety comes first!

posted on 3/4/20

Who cares if / or when the season resumes or does not / is nulled?

Whatever happens it became meaningless long ago, there will no achievement worthy of a second mention whatever the outcome.

Why would anybody want to celebrate and take kudos from this season, "Liverpool FC, Coronavirus champions 2020" as well as "VAR Champions 2020"

posted on 3/4/20

comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 53 seconds ago
Who cares if / or when the season resumes or does not / is nulled?

Whatever happens it became meaningless long ago, there will no achievement worthy of a second mention whatever the outcome.

Why would anybody want to celebrate and take kudos from this season, "Liverpool FC, Coronavirus champions 2020" as well as "VAR Champions 2020"
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posted on 3/4/20

comment by LukaBrasi Jose IN (U22178)
posted 12 minutes ago
Delete the season. Health and safety comes first!
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Except it doesn't

posted on 3/4/20

comment by LukaBrasi Jose IN (U22178)
posted 18 minutes ago
Delete the season. Health and safety comes first!
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I think they will you know, the 20/21 season that is.

posted on 3/4/20

comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 26 minutes ago
That is an incorrect reading of what I've written. I've said that you fill any gap you have with a bespoke competition of currently indeterminate length. That way you can keep the completeness of the existing season, accept that we're likely not going to get a full season next year anyway even if we do bring the current one to a close, and fill the space accordingly with a competition that is designed to fit.
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My suggestion is still the best way forward. Scrap this season, next season as well, and reset completely to start season 2021-22 on time. 18 months without footie won`t matter much in the grand scheme of things. Most year sporting events like Wimbledon, Grand National will all be having like two years between their events taking place.

posted on 3/4/20

comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 26 minutes ago
That is an incorrect reading of what I've written. I've said that you fill any gap you have with a bespoke competition of currently indeterminate length. That way you can keep the completeness of the existing season, accept that we're likely not going to get a full season next year anyway even if we do bring the current one to a close, and fill the space accordingly with a competition that is designed to fit.
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My suggestion is still the best way forward. Scrap this season, next season as well, and reset completely to start season 2021-22 on time. 18 months without footie won`t matter much in the grand scheme of things. Most year sporting events like Wimbledon, Grand National will all be having like two years between their events taking place.
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keep dreaming saan, you think they will just stop for 18 months.

There will hardly be any teams left

posted on 3/4/20

comment by Prankster - Dr Pu$$y (U22336)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 26 minutes ago
That is an incorrect reading of what I've written. I've said that you fill any gap you have with a bespoke competition of currently indeterminate length. That way you can keep the completeness of the existing season, accept that we're likely not going to get a full season next year anyway even if we do bring the current one to a close, and fill the space accordingly with a competition that is designed to fit.
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My suggestion is still the best way forward. Scrap this season, next season as well, and reset completely to start season 2021-22 on time. 18 months without footie won`t matter much in the grand scheme of things. Most year sporting events like Wimbledon, Grand National will all be having like two years between their events taking place.
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keep dreaming saan, you think they will just stop for 18 months.

There will hardly be any teams left
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The lack of football will go on as long as the virus is about. Some experts on the subject say that until a vaccine is found, then it will be with us for a long while. Stating that a vaccine could take 18 months or so to start being used.

posted on 3/4/20

comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 26 minutes ago
That is an incorrect reading of what I've written. I've said that you fill any gap you have with a bespoke competition of currently indeterminate length. That way you can keep the completeness of the existing season, accept that we're likely not going to get a full season next year anyway even if we do bring the current one to a close, and fill the space accordingly with a competition that is designed to fit.
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My suggestion is still the best way forward. Scrap this season, next season as well, and reset completely to start season 2021-22 on time. 18 months without footie won`t matter much in the grand scheme of things. Most year sporting events like Wimbledon, Grand National will all be having like two years between their events taking place.
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Why on earth would we go to that extent?

This is a horrible killer virus which has struck extremely hard.

It is not the worst pandemic albeit for the European countries it is more damaging this time round. It's been around now worldwide for 5 months or maybe even longer but it will be managed and it will be dealt with.

Our (so far) worst predictions are September before "normal life" resumes so why would you just scrap everything beyond that date?

Makes no sense unless you think this is going to go on for almost 2 years.

posted on 3/4/20

Comment I made the other day:

Think I'm one of the few who want to void the season. Or end it early to hopefully allow next season to work as normal.

My reasoning is the same as why I don't want VAR. Because football is universal and should be the same everywhere. I coach an under 7s team and iv already been told our season has ended. Our presentation might cancelled. One of my mates boys, plays for the same club at under 10s and his final that he reached has been cancelled. Instead, both teams get a "finalist" trophy.

My boy, who plays in the team I coach, actually cried when I told him the season has ended. But we understand why.

Why should professional football be different to grass roots? It's the same sport with the same emotions. I'd argue that the emotion in grass roots football is just as high.

If grass roots football has been cancelled then the same must be done across all football in this country. No excuses whatsoever.

posted on 3/4/20

The contract one is interesting. A player frozen out at his club, who has agreed a pre-contract elsewhere for more money is going to be forced to stay where his is? For what could be months?

Sounds problem free.

posted on 3/4/20

comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 4 seconds ago
Comment I made the other day:

Think I'm one of the few who want to void the season. Or end it early to hopefully allow next season to work as normal.

My reasoning is the same as why I don't want VAR. Because football is universal and should be the same everywhere. I coach an under 7s team and iv already been told our season has ended. Our presentation might cancelled. One of my mates boys, plays for the same club at under 10s and his final that he reached has been cancelled. Instead, both teams get a "finalist" trophy.

My boy, who plays in the team I coach, actually cried when I told him the season has ended. But we understand why.

Why should professional football be different to grass roots? It's the same sport with the same emotions. I'd argue that the emotion in grass roots football is just as high.

If grass roots football has been cancelled then the same must be done across all football in this country. No excuses whatsoever.
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Well that won't happen. Uefa sent a letter to all the european FA's saying the season can be completed as late July, August,September and then the CL/EL completed afterwards.

Surely you can't be naive enough to think grass roots football is managed exactly the same as professional footy

posted on 3/4/20

We will be in the same state of lockdown until at least September and there's likely to be tighter restrictions enforced inbetween.

If you think top level professional football's going to start anytime soon then you're deluded.

posted on 3/4/20

Can't block players leaving as some have started, this is a legal minefield. However, FIFA and UEFA are in charge if windows and new registrations, so you could ban new registrations for 3-5 months and therefore the only way for players to get paid and play is to do a short extension with their existing clubs.

posted on 3/4/20

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
We will be in the same state of lockdown until at least September and there's likely to be tighter restrictions enforced inbetween.

If you think top level professional football's going to start anytime soon then you're deluded.
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I don't know when it will start, Just that it will at some point and the season will finish

posted on 3/4/20

comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 11 seconds ago
Comment I made the other day:

Think I'm one of the few who want to void the season. Or end it early to hopefully allow next season to work as normal.

My reasoning is the same as why I don't want VAR. Because football is universal and should be the same everywhere. I coach an under 7s team and iv already been told our season has ended. Our presentation might cancelled. One of my mates boys, plays for the same club at under 10s and his final that he reached has been cancelled. Instead, both teams get a "finalist" trophy.

My boy, who plays in the team I coach, actually cried when I told him the season has ended. But we understand why.

Why should professional football be different to grass roots? It's the same sport with the same emotions. I'd argue that the emotion in grass roots football is just as high.

If grass roots football has been cancelled then the same must be done across all football in this country. No excuses whatsoever.
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I agree. Many are looking at this from their top tier clubs point of view.

The reality is that all our leagues are interlinked. EPL cannot scrap this season if the Championship plays to a conclusion and vice versa.

And the biggest impact of this is on the clubs who do not have the financial power of the top leagues. Whenever I go to my home town team of Exeter City, its buckets handed round trying to raise money for the club. These sort of clubs truly exist on the margins financially.

If people suggest scrapping next season just so this can be finished then this will destroy grass routes and lower league clubs. What these clubs need is to return to normal at the earliest opportunity. If it becomes clear that finishing this season will seriously undermine completing next in a normal way then the greater interest is in the long term, not this season.

Decision making has to be in the best interest of all of football at all levels, not just whether Liverpool get their title, Utd get their top 4 place, West Ham stay up or go down.

posted on 3/4/20

comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 43 minutes ago
Who cares if / or when the season resumes or does not / is nulled?

Whatever happens it became meaningless long ago, there will no achievement worthy of a second mention whatever the outcome.

Why would anybody want to celebrate and take kudos from this season, "Liverpool FC, Coronavirus champions 2020" as well as "VAR Champions 2020"
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Oh dear

posted on 3/4/20

comment by Ban Wissaka (U5318)
posted 1 minute ago
Can't block players leaving as some have started, this is a legal minefield. However, FIFA and UEFA are in charge if windows and new registrations, so you could ban new registrations for 3-5 months and therefore the only way for players to get paid and play is to do a short extension with their existing clubs.
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I don't see the problem with players whose contracts run out signing for other clubs

posted on 3/4/20

comment by Prankster - Dr Pu$$y (U22336)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
We will be in the same state of lockdown until at least September and there's likely to be tighter restrictions enforced inbetween.

If you think top level professional football's going to start anytime soon then you're deluded.
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I don't know when it will start, Just that it will at some point and the season will finish
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Sorry but you don't know that. Absolutely no certainty that this season will be concluded.

posted on 3/4/20

comment by Prankster - Dr Pu$$y (U22336)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 4 seconds ago
Comment I made the other day:

Think I'm one of the few who want to void the season. Or end it early to hopefully allow next season to work as normal.

My reasoning is the same as why I don't want VAR. Because football is universal and should be the same everywhere. I coach an under 7s team and iv already been told our season has ended. Our presentation might cancelled. One of my mates boys, plays for the same club at under 10s and his final that he reached has been cancelled. Instead, both teams get a "finalist" trophy.

My boy, who plays in the team I coach, actually cried when I told him the season has ended. But we understand why.

Why should professional football be different to grass roots? It's the same sport with the same emotions. I'd argue that the emotion in grass roots football is just as high.

If grass roots football has been cancelled then the same must be done across all football in this country. No excuses whatsoever.
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Well that won't happen. Uefa sent a letter to all the european FA's saying the season can be completed as late July, August,September and then the CL/EL completed afterwards.

Surely you can't be naive enough to think grass roots football is managed exactly the same as professional footy
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We nicknamed our ground on Sunday league dog shat park.

posted on 3/4/20

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 11 seconds ago
Comment I made the other day:

Think I'm one of the few who want to void the season. Or end it early to hopefully allow next season to work as normal.

My reasoning is the same as why I don't want VAR. Because football is universal and should be the same everywhere. I coach an under 7s team and iv already been told our season has ended. Our presentation might cancelled. One of my mates boys, plays for the same club at under 10s and his final that he reached has been cancelled. Instead, both teams get a "finalist" trophy.

My boy, who plays in the team I coach, actually cried when I told him the season has ended. But we understand why.

Why should professional football be different to grass roots? It's the same sport with the same emotions. I'd argue that the emotion in grass roots football is just as high.

If grass roots football has been cancelled then the same must be done across all football in this country. No excuses whatsoever.
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I agree. Many are looking at this from their top tier clubs point of view.

The reality is that all our leagues are interlinked. EPL cannot scrap this season if the Championship plays to a conclusion and vice versa.

And the biggest impact of this is on the clubs who do not have the financial power of the top leagues. Whenever I go to my home town team of Exeter City, its buckets handed round trying to raise money for the club. These sort of clubs truly exist on the margins financially.

If people suggest scrapping next season just so this can be finished then this will destroy grass routes and lower league clubs. What these clubs need is to return to normal at the earliest opportunity. If it becomes clear that finishing this season will seriously undermine completing next in a normal way then the greater interest is in the long term, not this season.

Decision making has to be in the best interest of all of football at all levels, not just whether Liverpool get their title, Utd get their top 4 place, West Ham stay up or go down.
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Well you need to tell Uefa this then, they want the season completed.

posted on 3/4/20

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
We will be in the same state of lockdown until at least September and there's likely to be tighter restrictions enforced inbetween.

If you think top level professional football's going to start anytime soon then you're deluded.
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I don't think we will be in this state of lockdown until then at all. We may not be back to normal by then, but I highly doubt we will be in this situation we find ourselves in right now.

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