comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 3 hours, 26 minutes ago
Yeah. Seem to only want your conversation to dictate the article. Odd
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You’re a sociopath, this article has literally been you arguing and debating over Chelsea players, with the odd exception of a reference to another player. Your parents must find you exhausting, disadvantage of no school I guess.
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Cole is the obvious choice for left back. Bizarre seeing people put Evra in from a year when he didn't even make TotY.
Suarez must be a fix up top with Henry, he nearly won Liverpool the title on his own.
Ronaldo on the right makes an interesting choice on the left. Best arguments are for Bale, Pires or Hazard. Any of them is the correct choice.
Central midfield is an impossible argument in a 4-4-2 where you could only have one of: Lampard, Gerrard, Fabregas, David Silva, Kevin De Bruyne, Yaya Toure to partner with one of Vieira, Keane, Makele or Kante.
Centre backs come down to your club's personal fave, with several players a tick below the level of the likes of Nesta.
Right back should probably be Zabaleta.
It would be tempting to say DDG in goal, but part of his best season was being a wc player in a very poor side.
Why is Cole the obvious choice? He didn’t ever have a season as good as Robertson did last season.
Recency bias is a powerful drug.
My team is based on their overall seasons, and not strictly just PL performance. So includes overall goals and also considers trophies won. I've also made sure to not include any players from the same year, which makes things a little trickier!
Henry (03-04)---van Nistelrooy (02-03)--Ronaldo (07-08)
------Lampard (09-10)------------Toure (13-14)
--------------------------Keane (99-00)
Cole (11-12)--Terry (04-05)--Stam (98-99)--TAA (18-19)
---------------------van der Sar (08-09)
I don't think that team would do too badly at all!
Tell me which season then? It’s nothing to do with recency bias, it’s to do with him playing at an unrivalled standard at left back for a full season. His consistency, defensive solidity and attacking production were superb.
As good as Cole was I don’t recall him ever having a season as good as that.
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 37 minutes ago
Tell me which season then? It’s nothing to do with recency bias, it’s to do with him playing at an unrivalled standard at left back for a full season. His consistency, defensive solidity and attacking production were superb.
As good as Cole was I don’t recall him ever having a season as good as that.
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The invincible season is probably the best shout for that, when Cole was truly superb. Alexander Arnold, after a few years, will probably play a season that makes him a fixture on this list but, as good as Robertson is, he's partly elevated by a system that overstated his strengths.
Cole wasn’t the all round package that season that Robertson was last. It wasn’t until he went to Chelsea that he truly became an elite defender and his attacking prowess wasn’t on the level of Robertson.
TAA has already had two seasons that have him in contention for this list. They’ve been two of the truly outstanding seasons from a full back, let alone a right back, in the premier league era.
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 hours, 35 minutes ago
My team is based on their overall seasons, and not strictly just PL performance. So includes overall goals and also considers trophies won. I've also made sure to not include any players from the same year, which makes things a little trickier!
Henry (03-04)---van Nistelrooy (02-03)--Ronaldo (07-08)
------Lampard (09-10)------------Toure (13-14)
--------------------------Keane (99-00)
Cole (11-12)--Terry (04-05)--Stam (98-99)--TAA (18-19)
---------------------van der Sar (08-09)
I don't think that team would do too badly at all!
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Suarez, Torres, Aguero, Tevez, Drogba, van Persie and Bergkamp have all comfortably had better seasons than van Nistelrooy in 02/03. If you're going to put in a thousand United players why not plump for Cantona, at the very least?
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
Cole wasn’t the all round package that season that Robertson was last. It wasn’t until he went to Chelsea that he truly became an elite defender and his attacking prowess wasn’t on the level of Robertson.
TAA has already had two seasons that have him in contention for this list. They’ve been two of the truly outstanding seasons from a full back, let alone a right back, in the premier league era.
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We may have to disagree on that one, Cole's technical ability was exceptional imo.
TAA is probably already in contention, you're right. If this season had concluded already we may be looking at it differently. I really liked Zabaleta for City, and would have him ahead for now. No question that TAA will post far better seasons throughout his career. Biggest fb talent since Cole.
Now please stop forcing me to bat for Cashley, it's really not what I was put on this planet to do.
Cole was elite at Arsenal, and the first clue of seasons at least his level dropped a bit.
Zabaleta never had a season even close to what TAA did last season, or this one.
Funny you accuse me of recency bias when you’re displaying club bias regarding Cole’s 03/04 season. It just wasn’t as good. I find the idea he’s the obvious choice ridiculous really, as it’s clearly not.
Although they are not the be all and end all, 3 of Coles 4 appearances in PL TotY came at Arsenal. His appearance in the Euro Championship XI of the tournament was also in 2004. Got in the UEFA team of the year in 2004 as well.
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
Zabaleta never had a season even close to what TAA did last season, or this one.
Funny you accuse me of recency bias when you’re displaying club bias regarding Cole’s 03/04 season. It just wasn’t as good. I find the idea he’s the obvious choice ridiculous really, as it’s clearly not.
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I think we're not going to agree on Cole v Robertson, as I said. No point continuing that.
I think it's a fair point, but it depends on what you want from a FB. It's almost daft to compare Sagna or Ivanovic with Bellerin or TAA. They're very different types of players. I think Zabaleta brought an awful lot to City at his best, just more quietly than others.
comment by Giröulski Alt-153 and Alt-160 forever (U14971)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 hours, 35 minutes ago
My team is based on their overall seasons, and not strictly just PL performance. So includes overall goals and also considers trophies won. I've also made sure to not include any players from the same year, which makes things a little trickier!
Henry (03-04)---van Nistelrooy (02-03)--Ronaldo (07-08)
------Lampard (09-10)------------Toure (13-14)
--------------------------Keane (99-00)
Cole (11-12)--Terry (04-05)--Stam (98-99)--TAA (18-19)
---------------------van der Sar (08-09)
I don't think that team would do too badly at all!
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Suarez, Torres, Aguero, Tevez, Drogba, van Persie and Bergkamp have all comfortably had better seasons than van Nistelrooy in 02/03. If you're going to put in a thousand United players why not plump for Cantona, at the very least?
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44 goals wasn't it?
Cech 04-05
Cole 03-04
Terry 04-05
Adams 97-98
Neville 98-99
Yaya 13-14
Kante 15-16
Lampard 09-10
Henry 02-03
Kane 16-17
Ronaldo 07-08
Coach: Ranieri 15-16
Near misses: Shearer 94-95, Stam 98-99, Keane 99-00, VDS, Vidic & Rio all 08-09, Suarez 13-14, Salah 17-18.
It’s not daft comparing players in the same position just because one player has a lot more in his armoury than another, as is the case with TAA and Ivanovic and Sagna - Bellerin doesn’t even enter the equation.
TAA has dominated the whole right hand side of the pitch. None of the guys you’ve mentioned did this at the level he’s shown in the last two seasons, despite being very good right backs.
It pains me to say about him, and Robertson, because they play for such a shiiiiitty club. But you’ve got to give credit where it’s due for how well they’ve been playing. And I don’t think anyone has had a season as good as these two have at full back.
Bellerin is actually better than TAA.
Only injuries have held him back.
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 2 hours, 3 minutes ago
Cole wasn’t the all round package that season that Robertson was last. It wasn’t until he went to Chelsea that he truly became an elite defender and his attacking prowess wasn’t on the level of Robertson.
TAA has already had two seasons that have him in contention for this list. They’ve been two of the truly outstanding seasons from a full back, let alone a right back, in the premier league era.
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Until he went to Chelsea? There was no difference between Ashley Cole in Arsenal and Ashley Cole in Chelsea. He was already in his prime at the time he left Arsenal. 3 of his 4 career PFA Team of the Year inclusions were as an Arsenal player, thrice consecutively between 2002 and 2005. I'd say he was already an "elite defender".
TAA is a really good crosser and takes a lot of set-pieces that inflate his creative stats relative to many fullbacks, but I really don't think his all-round game is that complete from a defensive standpoint. His England peer, Wan Bissaka is a far better defender in the old traditions of fullbacks. For many modern teams with their narrow frontlines where wide players are more wide forwards than wingers or attacking mids, fullbacks are operating as wing backs and you can't just look at TAA's creative stats and claim it makes him better than earlier era fullbacks in differently defined roles.
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 3 minutes ago
Bellerin is actually better than TAA.
Only injuries have held him back.
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comment by Giröulski Alt-153 and Alt-160 forever (U14971)
posted 54 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 hours, 35 minutes ago
My team is based on their overall seasons, and not strictly just PL performance. So includes overall goals and also considers trophies won. I've also made sure to not include any players from the same year, which makes things a little trickier!
Henry (03-04)---van Nistelrooy (02-03)--Ronaldo (07-08)
------Lampard (09-10)------------Toure (13-14)
--------------------------Keane (99-00)
Cole (11-12)--Terry (04-05)--Stam (98-99)--TAA (18-19)
---------------------van der Sar (08-09)
I don't think that team would do too badly at all!
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Suarez, Torres, Aguero, Tevez, Drogba, van Persie and Bergkamp have all comfortably had better seasons than van Nistelrooy in 02/03. If you're going to put in a thousand United players why not plump for Cantona, at the very least?
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You're kidding right? Van Nistelrooy is the single biggest reason why an inferior Man U side (in my opinion) nicked the title from us in 2002/2003. He was annoyingly good that season. Suarez is the only player that might have a shout in your list.
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 6 minutes ago
Bellerin is actually better than TAA.
Only injuries have held him back.
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I only mentioned Bellerin as his style of play was a great example of what I meant. He's never reached the heights.
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Playing with a back 3
posted on 11/4/20
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 3 hours, 26 minutes ago
Yeah. Seem to only want your conversation to dictate the article. Odd
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You’re a sociopath, this article has literally been you arguing and debating over Chelsea players, with the odd exception of a reference to another player. Your parents must find you exhausting, disadvantage of no school I guess.
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posted on 11/4/20
Cole is the obvious choice for left back. Bizarre seeing people put Evra in from a year when he didn't even make TotY.
Suarez must be a fix up top with Henry, he nearly won Liverpool the title on his own.
Ronaldo on the right makes an interesting choice on the left. Best arguments are for Bale, Pires or Hazard. Any of them is the correct choice.
Central midfield is an impossible argument in a 4-4-2 where you could only have one of: Lampard, Gerrard, Fabregas, David Silva, Kevin De Bruyne, Yaya Toure to partner with one of Vieira, Keane, Makele or Kante.
Centre backs come down to your club's personal fave, with several players a tick below the level of the likes of Nesta.
Right back should probably be Zabaleta.
It would be tempting to say DDG in goal, but part of his best season was being a wc player in a very poor side.
posted on 11/4/20
Why is Cole the obvious choice? He didn’t ever have a season as good as Robertson did last season.
posted on 11/4/20
Recency bias is a powerful drug.
posted on 11/4/20
My team is based on their overall seasons, and not strictly just PL performance. So includes overall goals and also considers trophies won. I've also made sure to not include any players from the same year, which makes things a little trickier!
Henry (03-04)---van Nistelrooy (02-03)--Ronaldo (07-08)
------Lampard (09-10)------------Toure (13-14)
--------------------------Keane (99-00)
Cole (11-12)--Terry (04-05)--Stam (98-99)--TAA (18-19)
---------------------van der Sar (08-09)
I don't think that team would do too badly at all!
posted on 11/4/20
Tell me which season then? It’s nothing to do with recency bias, it’s to do with him playing at an unrivalled standard at left back for a full season. His consistency, defensive solidity and attacking production were superb.
As good as Cole was I don’t recall him ever having a season as good as that.
posted on 11/4/20
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 37 minutes ago
Tell me which season then? It’s nothing to do with recency bias, it’s to do with him playing at an unrivalled standard at left back for a full season. His consistency, defensive solidity and attacking production were superb.
As good as Cole was I don’t recall him ever having a season as good as that.
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The invincible season is probably the best shout for that, when Cole was truly superb. Alexander Arnold, after a few years, will probably play a season that makes him a fixture on this list but, as good as Robertson is, he's partly elevated by a system that overstated his strengths.
posted on 11/4/20
Cole wasn’t the all round package that season that Robertson was last. It wasn’t until he went to Chelsea that he truly became an elite defender and his attacking prowess wasn’t on the level of Robertson.
TAA has already had two seasons that have him in contention for this list. They’ve been two of the truly outstanding seasons from a full back, let alone a right back, in the premier league era.
posted on 11/4/20
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 hours, 35 minutes ago
My team is based on their overall seasons, and not strictly just PL performance. So includes overall goals and also considers trophies won. I've also made sure to not include any players from the same year, which makes things a little trickier!
Henry (03-04)---van Nistelrooy (02-03)--Ronaldo (07-08)
------Lampard (09-10)------------Toure (13-14)
--------------------------Keane (99-00)
Cole (11-12)--Terry (04-05)--Stam (98-99)--TAA (18-19)
---------------------van der Sar (08-09)
I don't think that team would do too badly at all!
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Suarez, Torres, Aguero, Tevez, Drogba, van Persie and Bergkamp have all comfortably had better seasons than van Nistelrooy in 02/03. If you're going to put in a thousand United players why not plump for Cantona, at the very least?
posted on 11/4/20
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
Cole wasn’t the all round package that season that Robertson was last. It wasn’t until he went to Chelsea that he truly became an elite defender and his attacking prowess wasn’t on the level of Robertson.
TAA has already had two seasons that have him in contention for this list. They’ve been two of the truly outstanding seasons from a full back, let alone a right back, in the premier league era.
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We may have to disagree on that one, Cole's technical ability was exceptional imo.
TAA is probably already in contention, you're right. If this season had concluded already we may be looking at it differently. I really liked Zabaleta for City, and would have him ahead for now. No question that TAA will post far better seasons throughout his career. Biggest fb talent since Cole.
Now please stop forcing me to bat for Cashley, it's really not what I was put on this planet to do.
posted on 11/4/20
Cole was elite at Arsenal, and the first clue of seasons at least his level dropped a bit.
posted on 11/4/20
*clue - couple...
posted on 11/4/20
**at Chelsea
posted on 11/4/20
Zabaleta never had a season even close to what TAA did last season, or this one.
Funny you accuse me of recency bias when you’re displaying club bias regarding Cole’s 03/04 season. It just wasn’t as good. I find the idea he’s the obvious choice ridiculous really, as it’s clearly not.
posted on 11/4/20
Although they are not the be all and end all, 3 of Coles 4 appearances in PL TotY came at Arsenal. His appearance in the Euro Championship XI of the tournament was also in 2004. Got in the UEFA team of the year in 2004 as well.
posted on 11/4/20
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
Zabaleta never had a season even close to what TAA did last season, or this one.
Funny you accuse me of recency bias when you’re displaying club bias regarding Cole’s 03/04 season. It just wasn’t as good. I find the idea he’s the obvious choice ridiculous really, as it’s clearly not.
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I think we're not going to agree on Cole v Robertson, as I said. No point continuing that.
I think it's a fair point, but it depends on what you want from a FB. It's almost daft to compare Sagna or Ivanovic with Bellerin or TAA. They're very different types of players. I think Zabaleta brought an awful lot to City at his best, just more quietly than others.
posted on 11/4/20
comment by Giröulski Alt-153 and Alt-160 forever (U14971)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 hours, 35 minutes ago
My team is based on their overall seasons, and not strictly just PL performance. So includes overall goals and also considers trophies won. I've also made sure to not include any players from the same year, which makes things a little trickier!
Henry (03-04)---van Nistelrooy (02-03)--Ronaldo (07-08)
------Lampard (09-10)------------Toure (13-14)
--------------------------Keane (99-00)
Cole (11-12)--Terry (04-05)--Stam (98-99)--TAA (18-19)
---------------------van der Sar (08-09)
I don't think that team would do too badly at all!
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Suarez, Torres, Aguero, Tevez, Drogba, van Persie and Bergkamp have all comfortably had better seasons than van Nistelrooy in 02/03. If you're going to put in a thousand United players why not plump for Cantona, at the very least?
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44 goals wasn't it?
posted on 11/4/20
Cech 04-05
Cole 03-04
Terry 04-05
Adams 97-98
Neville 98-99
Yaya 13-14
Kante 15-16
Lampard 09-10
Henry 02-03
Kane 16-17
Ronaldo 07-08
Coach: Ranieri 15-16
Near misses: Shearer 94-95, Stam 98-99, Keane 99-00, VDS, Vidic & Rio all 08-09, Suarez 13-14, Salah 17-18.
posted on 11/4/20
It’s not daft comparing players in the same position just because one player has a lot more in his armoury than another, as is the case with TAA and Ivanovic and Sagna - Bellerin doesn’t even enter the equation.
TAA has dominated the whole right hand side of the pitch. None of the guys you’ve mentioned did this at the level he’s shown in the last two seasons, despite being very good right backs.
It pains me to say about him, and Robertson, because they play for such a shiiiiitty club. But you’ve got to give credit where it’s due for how well they’ve been playing. And I don’t think anyone has had a season as good as these two have at full back.
posted on 11/4/20
Bellerin is actually better than TAA.
Only injuries have held him back.
posted on 11/4/20
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 2 hours, 3 minutes ago
Cole wasn’t the all round package that season that Robertson was last. It wasn’t until he went to Chelsea that he truly became an elite defender and his attacking prowess wasn’t on the level of Robertson.
TAA has already had two seasons that have him in contention for this list. They’ve been two of the truly outstanding seasons from a full back, let alone a right back, in the premier league era.
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Until he went to Chelsea? There was no difference between Ashley Cole in Arsenal and Ashley Cole in Chelsea. He was already in his prime at the time he left Arsenal. 3 of his 4 career PFA Team of the Year inclusions were as an Arsenal player, thrice consecutively between 2002 and 2005. I'd say he was already an "elite defender".
TAA is a really good crosser and takes a lot of set-pieces that inflate his creative stats relative to many fullbacks, but I really don't think his all-round game is that complete from a defensive standpoint. His England peer, Wan Bissaka is a far better defender in the old traditions of fullbacks. For many modern teams with their narrow frontlines where wide players are more wide forwards than wingers or attacking mids, fullbacks are operating as wing backs and you can't just look at TAA's creative stats and claim it makes him better than earlier era fullbacks in differently defined roles.
posted on 11/4/20
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 3 minutes ago
Bellerin is actually better than TAA.
Only injuries have held him back.
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posted on 11/4/20
comment by Giröulski Alt-153 and Alt-160 forever (U14971)
posted 54 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 hours, 35 minutes ago
My team is based on their overall seasons, and not strictly just PL performance. So includes overall goals and also considers trophies won. I've also made sure to not include any players from the same year, which makes things a little trickier!
Henry (03-04)---van Nistelrooy (02-03)--Ronaldo (07-08)
------Lampard (09-10)------------Toure (13-14)
--------------------------Keane (99-00)
Cole (11-12)--Terry (04-05)--Stam (98-99)--TAA (18-19)
---------------------van der Sar (08-09)
I don't think that team would do too badly at all!
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Suarez, Torres, Aguero, Tevez, Drogba, van Persie and Bergkamp have all comfortably had better seasons than van Nistelrooy in 02/03. If you're going to put in a thousand United players why not plump for Cantona, at the very least?
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You're kidding right? Van Nistelrooy is the single biggest reason why an inferior Man U side (in my opinion) nicked the title from us in 2002/2003. He was annoyingly good that season. Suarez is the only player that might have a shout in your list.
posted on 11/4/20
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 6 minutes ago
Bellerin is actually better than TAA.
Only injuries have held him back.
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I only mentioned Bellerin as his style of play was a great example of what I meant. He's never reached the heights.
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