Heed the second sector has been getting it tight for decades.
Now Their Nation Needs Them.
In terms of schools, every teacher I know wants to go back.
Canny mind who it was but a comment on here in the first days of
lockdown prob on epl board - are teachers still getting paid cos they're
not at work? Yeah! the burning question at the start of a pandemic.
Back on iPad A minimum requirement would be a warehouse of PPE per school, and surface cleaning of every classroom every 50 minutes. Who will do this and who will pay them? Deep Cleaning of the entire building every day. Who will do this and who will pay for them as well as materials? It will require an army of personnel and a mountain of equipment.
Each school is open 200 days per year (for pupils many Staff also go in at weekends and during holidays).
A hospitality free football stadium would open for say 4 hours 20 to 25 times a year. And yet we can't have fans inside grounds?
TMQ, that iPad entry was a fooking revelation - stick with it, man!
Early days I asked about refuse specifically because folk needed them more. I also name checked Iibrarians, traffic attendants, planners and maybe others that seemed to have no contribution within local gov employ but still get paid? Think I exempted teachers?
No you Silver.
I'd 'a remembered that.
Anyway moot point.
Teachers have been in daily contact with colleagues & families during
lockdown. It takes 2 hours to prepare an online video lesson I'm told.
Got out at the right time I wouldn't have prospered wi that.
comment by The Mighty Quinn (U4099)
posted 55 minutes ago
Anyway moot point.
Teachers have been in daily contact with colleagues & families during
lockdown. It takes 2 hours to prepare an online video lesson I'm told.
Got out at the right time I wouldn't have prospered wi that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They would have learned the artform of spacing though
Haha.
Schiz climbs out his bed just as I fa' intae mine.
We could have been crew hammock mates on an 18th c slave ship that
....
Er ...
comment by The Mighty Quinn (U4099)
posted 11 hours, 24 minutes ago
I've gone onto iPad to spare yer eyes fae double spacing
<Seems schools are more afraid than care homes these days>
Most care homes have fewer than 100 people, many much less than that. They are also more geared up for dealing with vulnerable people.
Most schools have over 1,000 going in including Staff. Some are over 2,000. In tightly confined spaces with hard surfaces everywhere. Doors, desks, handrails, & one toilet to 260 on average. Many hundreds of keyboards each used by 7/8 different people in as many hours. Each and every day. A new group enters each learning space every 50 minutes in the case of secondaries. It make the restart of football look like a dawdle.
My daughter is a P2 teacher. She is on Microsoft Teams every day, contacting families, planning courses, writing reports, & was doing so until 9pm last night. This afternoon she was delivering food parcels to needy families in the school. An hour ago she was constructing PE lessons to be sent to families. Because of year on year cutbacks at national and local level, Social Work has virtually vanished. Schools and the Third Sector are struggling to fill that gap. Last year when they were P1, three children arrived who were still using diapers. 2 were frequent ‘spitters‘ in their regular tantrums.
I was in 2 schools today trying to salvage something from expedition programmes. They were full of Staff trying to cope with ever changing dictates from above, as well as the children of key workers.
Absolutely no apology for the length of this post.
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Well said. Time some the overtly simplistic solutions to the sheer logistical problems facing schools and staff and pupils in the face of a pandemic were exposed. Well said and well done to your daughter.
100% agree, TMQ. Teachers, like nurses, like doctors, like emergency services, do so much extra out of goodwill that we start assuming that goodwill is actually their contracted jobs. And that is where the unions come in, in my experience.
I'm at management level so my opinion of teaching unions is very mixed these days. I think they can be overly divisive and needlessly uncooperative at times, but when I was frontline, I adored them. Go figure.
I think, as you mentioned as well, something which is overlooked is a lot of teachers, if not pretty much all of them *are* already back in schools - I'm not going to say 'back at work' because they never left.Trying to get schools ready to re-open with any semblance of normalcy going for August.
Not to mention the thousands of teachers who have voluntarily reported for duty in Hub schools during the lockdown to take key workers' kids. And that was way before the comforting stats we're all now blessed with.
The teachers in now are worried. The teachers in previously were shiitting themselves.
Look, this isn't necessarily a rational subject. It's easy for me or anyone to say "The chance of x is y" but people don't work like that. The word in that sentence they see is 'chance'. I can't say I blame any of them for being frightened and I refuse to put that down to teachers wanting to extend a months'-long 'snow day' because - anecdotally, I'll give you - every teacher I know is as miserable as the rest of us at home with their weans and wants to get back to their school.
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I hope schools go back sooner or there will be a murder in this house
Both of us trying to work from home is tough at times. Especially as I have a second monitor set up while she creates then marks work for multiple classes at varying levels of exam standards
One thing that grinds my gears is this notion that only some professions ‘take work home’ or ‘work during their holidays’. Goodwill might not be part of the job but in an era of pay for performance those that want to get ahead will and some won’t. Ditto folk doing degrees in their ‘own‘ time. It is absolutely divisive. Intended to be so.
Unions can do some very good work but ultimately, like the murder defence lawyer, are paid to argue a case for their paymaster. Where it goes tats up is the utopian ideology from those worked into leadership positions that push agendas removed from their membership.
Teachers meh. Like every job there’s good ones and bad ones.
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Teachers unions are an after disgrace.
Insulting people with this notion that nothing happens until “they” are convinced that it’s absolutely safe for kids to go back. Look at every other country ffs. Meanwhile we are wilfully and with no justification destroying the future generations chances of getting something out of their academic careers, and wherever that might lead them.
And now they are suggesting kids repeat a year.
Absolute cwnts.
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If teachers don’t go back society cannot get back
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Teachers are back. And have been back. They've taught everyone they were allowed to.
They didn't stop because they chose to any more than they started up again because they chose to. That's been down to Wee Nic with, no doubt, severe pressure from the teaching unions. Teachers didn't send any weans home.
No, they're no better or worse. But they are being made partial scapegoats for people being stuck at home with their 'mistakes'. It's not really fair at all.
One thing that grinds my gears is this notion that only some professions ‘take work home’ or ‘work during their holidays’.
---
Only some do. It might be a lot, maybe even most, but it's certainly not all of them. I even know some teachers that down tools at 3. It's very very few and far between and they tend to be up to their necks in union disputes. Bad apples everywhere I guess. Teaching isn't immune.
Teachers aren't particular in working extra though, and I did give some other examples, but as we were talking about teachers, that's where the focus landed.
I don't know what people want, really. Teachers are doing everything they're being instructed to do at the moment. Schools are going back in August. Most teachers are back in now setting up for this. I think people's objections is they do this without moaning?
Not in any staffroom I've been in! A couple of gormless young guys, a couple of young hotties, maybe a MILF or two and the rest usually bitter middle-aged women.
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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 11 minutes ago
Teachers unions are an after disgrace.
Insulting people with this notion that nothing happens until “they” are convinced that it’s absolutely safe for kids to go back. Look at every other country ffs. Meanwhile we are wilfully and with no justification destroying the future generations chances of getting something out of their academic careers, and wherever that might lead them.
And now they are suggesting kids repeat a year.
Absolute cwnts.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe that's the crux of this. I'm not arguing at all in favour of the teaching unions. I get mostly nothing but grief from them despite carrying on my membership into management.
So I get to see the emails they send out calling people like me vvanks.
comment by PointyBirds (U21890)
posted 1 minute ago
If teachers don’t go back society cannot get back
---
Teachers are back. And have been back. They've taught everyone they were allowed to.
They didn't stop because they chose to any more than they started up again because they chose to. That's been down to Wee Nic with, no doubt, severe pressure from the teaching unions. Teachers didn't send any weans home.
No, they're no better or worse. But they are being made partial scapegoats for people being stuck at home with their 'mistakes'. It's not really fair at all.
One thing that grinds my gears is this notion that only some professions ‘take work home’ or ‘work during their holidays’.
---
Only some do. It might be a lot, maybe even most, but it's certainly not all of them. I even know some teachers that down tools at 3. It's very very few and far between and they tend to be up to their necks in union disputes. Bad apples everywhere I guess. Teaching isn't immune.
Teachers aren't particular in working extra though, and I did give some other examples, but as we were talking about teachers, that's where the focus landed.
I don't know what people want, really. Teachers are doing everything they're being instructed to do at the moment. Schools are going back in August. Most teachers are back in now setting up for this. I think people's objections is they do this without moaning?
Not in any staffroom I've been in! A couple of gormless young guys, a couple of young hotties, maybe a MILF or two and the rest usually bitter middle-aged women.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree with that. I think people (I do) lump teachers in with the actions of their unions. And undoubtedly there will be pressure from wee Samantha’s daddy who proudly sits on the board of governors whilst working from home in his oak panelled study and mumsy concocts a super veggie dish for later consumption.
Hang on
comment by lexballielegend (U22335)
posted 2 minutes ago
I am left wing in my leanings and have been a Union member in the past, what I do now has no Union but my experience of Unions has been mixed, some good some bad, I wont say which one but there was a certain one I was utterly dismayed with as their sole purpose seemed to be threatening strike action every time a member got sacked and 99.9% of the time the sack was well deserved.
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Tell me about it. We have some absolutely non-functioning teachers that we can't touch because they're unioned up.
It's just extremism on the other side now.
I agree with that. I think people (I do) lump teachers in with the actions of their unions.
---
Partially. Mostly teachers confuse union 'advice' with union 'instructions' though. They think the union is their boss. It's laziness, to be honest. Really, the price I pay for having some muscle behind me should a female student say I spoke to her inappropriately.
Which I never do. In front of witnesses.
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I'm wary of what I am putting here. I have never been a member of a union and have no interest in ever doing so. I get that there will be good and bad union reps however,
A teacher I know of had an issue at their school with regards to racism and the union did very little. As it turns out the union rep had their own interests at heart and also the head teacher although they shouldn't have been was involved far too much in what happened in union meetings and the rep with aspirations of their own did little to prevent it
Just realised I'm in work and sitting writing lengthy posts on here.
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posted on 9/6/20
Heed the second sector has been getting it tight for decades.
Now Their Nation Needs Them.
In terms of schools, every teacher I know wants to go back.
Canny mind who it was but a comment on here in the first days of
lockdown prob on epl board - are teachers still getting paid cos they're
not at work? Yeah! the burning question at the start of a pandemic.
posted on 9/6/20
Back on iPad A minimum requirement would be a warehouse of PPE per school, and surface cleaning of every classroom every 50 minutes. Who will do this and who will pay them? Deep Cleaning of the entire building every day. Who will do this and who will pay for them as well as materials? It will require an army of personnel and a mountain of equipment.
Each school is open 200 days per year (for pupils many Staff also go in at weekends and during holidays).
A hospitality free football stadium would open for say 4 hours 20 to 25 times a year. And yet we can't have fans inside grounds?
posted on 9/6/20
TMQ, that iPad entry was a fooking revelation - stick with it, man!
Early days I asked about refuse specifically because folk needed them more. I also name checked Iibrarians, traffic attendants, planners and maybe others that seemed to have no contribution within local gov employ but still get paid? Think I exempted teachers?
posted on 9/6/20
No you Silver.
I'd 'a remembered that.
posted on 9/6/20
Anyway moot point.
Teachers have been in daily contact with colleagues & families during
lockdown. It takes 2 hours to prepare an online video lesson I'm told.
Got out at the right time I wouldn't have prospered wi that.
posted on 9/6/20
comment by The Mighty Quinn (U4099)
posted 55 minutes ago
Anyway moot point.
Teachers have been in daily contact with colleagues & families during
lockdown. It takes 2 hours to prepare an online video lesson I'm told.
Got out at the right time I wouldn't have prospered wi that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They would have learned the artform of spacing though
posted on 9/6/20
Haha.
Schiz climbs out his bed just as I fa' intae mine.
We could have been crew hammock mates on an 18th c slave ship that
....
Er ...
posted on 10/6/20
comment by The Mighty Quinn (U4099)
posted 11 hours, 24 minutes ago
I've gone onto iPad to spare yer eyes fae double spacing
<Seems schools are more afraid than care homes these days>
Most care homes have fewer than 100 people, many much less than that. They are also more geared up for dealing with vulnerable people.
Most schools have over 1,000 going in including Staff. Some are over 2,000. In tightly confined spaces with hard surfaces everywhere. Doors, desks, handrails, & one toilet to 260 on average. Many hundreds of keyboards each used by 7/8 different people in as many hours. Each and every day. A new group enters each learning space every 50 minutes in the case of secondaries. It make the restart of football look like a dawdle.
My daughter is a P2 teacher. She is on Microsoft Teams every day, contacting families, planning courses, writing reports, & was doing so until 9pm last night. This afternoon she was delivering food parcels to needy families in the school. An hour ago she was constructing PE lessons to be sent to families. Because of year on year cutbacks at national and local level, Social Work has virtually vanished. Schools and the Third Sector are struggling to fill that gap. Last year when they were P1, three children arrived who were still using diapers. 2 were frequent ‘spitters‘ in their regular tantrums.
I was in 2 schools today trying to salvage something from expedition programmes. They were full of Staff trying to cope with ever changing dictates from above, as well as the children of key workers.
Absolutely no apology for the length of this post.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well said. Time some the overtly simplistic solutions to the sheer logistical problems facing schools and staff and pupils in the face of a pandemic were exposed. Well said and well done to your daughter.
posted on 10/6/20
100% agree, TMQ. Teachers, like nurses, like doctors, like emergency services, do so much extra out of goodwill that we start assuming that goodwill is actually their contracted jobs. And that is where the unions come in, in my experience.
I'm at management level so my opinion of teaching unions is very mixed these days. I think they can be overly divisive and needlessly uncooperative at times, but when I was frontline, I adored them. Go figure.
I think, as you mentioned as well, something which is overlooked is a lot of teachers, if not pretty much all of them *are* already back in schools - I'm not going to say 'back at work' because they never left.Trying to get schools ready to re-open with any semblance of normalcy going for August.
Not to mention the thousands of teachers who have voluntarily reported for duty in Hub schools during the lockdown to take key workers' kids. And that was way before the comforting stats we're all now blessed with.
The teachers in now are worried. The teachers in previously were shiitting themselves.
Look, this isn't necessarily a rational subject. It's easy for me or anyone to say "The chance of x is y" but people don't work like that. The word in that sentence they see is 'chance'. I can't say I blame any of them for being frightened and I refuse to put that down to teachers wanting to extend a months'-long 'snow day' because - anecdotally, I'll give you - every teacher I know is as miserable as the rest of us at home with their weans and wants to get back to their school.
posted on 10/6/20
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posted on 10/6/20
I hope schools go back sooner or there will be a murder in this house
Both of us trying to work from home is tough at times. Especially as I have a second monitor set up while she creates then marks work for multiple classes at varying levels of exam standards
posted on 10/6/20
One thing that grinds my gears is this notion that only some professions ‘take work home’ or ‘work during their holidays’. Goodwill might not be part of the job but in an era of pay for performance those that want to get ahead will and some won’t. Ditto folk doing degrees in their ‘own‘ time. It is absolutely divisive. Intended to be so.
Unions can do some very good work but ultimately, like the murder defence lawyer, are paid to argue a case for their paymaster. Where it goes tats up is the utopian ideology from those worked into leadership positions that push agendas removed from their membership.
Teachers meh. Like every job there’s good ones and bad ones.
posted on 10/6/20
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posted on 10/6/20
Teachers unions are an after disgrace.
Insulting people with this notion that nothing happens until “they” are convinced that it’s absolutely safe for kids to go back. Look at every other country ffs. Meanwhile we are wilfully and with no justification destroying the future generations chances of getting something out of their academic careers, and wherever that might lead them.
And now they are suggesting kids repeat a year.
Absolute cwnts.
posted on 10/6/20
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posted on 10/6/20
If teachers don’t go back society cannot get back
---
Teachers are back. And have been back. They've taught everyone they were allowed to.
They didn't stop because they chose to any more than they started up again because they chose to. That's been down to Wee Nic with, no doubt, severe pressure from the teaching unions. Teachers didn't send any weans home.
No, they're no better or worse. But they are being made partial scapegoats for people being stuck at home with their 'mistakes'. It's not really fair at all.
One thing that grinds my gears is this notion that only some professions ‘take work home’ or ‘work during their holidays’.
---
Only some do. It might be a lot, maybe even most, but it's certainly not all of them. I even know some teachers that down tools at 3. It's very very few and far between and they tend to be up to their necks in union disputes. Bad apples everywhere I guess. Teaching isn't immune.
Teachers aren't particular in working extra though, and I did give some other examples, but as we were talking about teachers, that's where the focus landed.
I don't know what people want, really. Teachers are doing everything they're being instructed to do at the moment. Schools are going back in August. Most teachers are back in now setting up for this. I think people's objections is they do this without moaning?
Not in any staffroom I've been in! A couple of gormless young guys, a couple of young hotties, maybe a MILF or two and the rest usually bitter middle-aged women.
posted on 10/6/20
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posted on 10/6/20
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 11 minutes ago
Teachers unions are an after disgrace.
Insulting people with this notion that nothing happens until “they” are convinced that it’s absolutely safe for kids to go back. Look at every other country ffs. Meanwhile we are wilfully and with no justification destroying the future generations chances of getting something out of their academic careers, and wherever that might lead them.
And now they are suggesting kids repeat a year.
Absolute cwnts.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe that's the crux of this. I'm not arguing at all in favour of the teaching unions. I get mostly nothing but grief from them despite carrying on my membership into management.
So I get to see the emails they send out calling people like me vvanks.
posted on 10/6/20
comment by PointyBirds (U21890)
posted 1 minute ago
If teachers don’t go back society cannot get back
---
Teachers are back. And have been back. They've taught everyone they were allowed to.
They didn't stop because they chose to any more than they started up again because they chose to. That's been down to Wee Nic with, no doubt, severe pressure from the teaching unions. Teachers didn't send any weans home.
No, they're no better or worse. But they are being made partial scapegoats for people being stuck at home with their 'mistakes'. It's not really fair at all.
One thing that grinds my gears is this notion that only some professions ‘take work home’ or ‘work during their holidays’.
---
Only some do. It might be a lot, maybe even most, but it's certainly not all of them. I even know some teachers that down tools at 3. It's very very few and far between and they tend to be up to their necks in union disputes. Bad apples everywhere I guess. Teaching isn't immune.
Teachers aren't particular in working extra though, and I did give some other examples, but as we were talking about teachers, that's where the focus landed.
I don't know what people want, really. Teachers are doing everything they're being instructed to do at the moment. Schools are going back in August. Most teachers are back in now setting up for this. I think people's objections is they do this without moaning?
Not in any staffroom I've been in! A couple of gormless young guys, a couple of young hotties, maybe a MILF or two and the rest usually bitter middle-aged women.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree with that. I think people (I do) lump teachers in with the actions of their unions. And undoubtedly there will be pressure from wee Samantha’s daddy who proudly sits on the board of governors whilst working from home in his oak panelled study and mumsy concocts a super veggie dish for later consumption.
Hang on
posted on 10/6/20
comment by lexballielegend (U22335)
posted 2 minutes ago
I am left wing in my leanings and have been a Union member in the past, what I do now has no Union but my experience of Unions has been mixed, some good some bad, I wont say which one but there was a certain one I was utterly dismayed with as their sole purpose seemed to be threatening strike action every time a member got sacked and 99.9% of the time the sack was well deserved.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tell me about it. We have some absolutely non-functioning teachers that we can't touch because they're unioned up.
It's just extremism on the other side now.
posted on 10/6/20
I agree with that. I think people (I do) lump teachers in with the actions of their unions.
---
Partially. Mostly teachers confuse union 'advice' with union 'instructions' though. They think the union is their boss. It's laziness, to be honest. Really, the price I pay for having some muscle behind me should a female student say I spoke to her inappropriately.
Which I never do. In front of witnesses.
posted on 10/6/20
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posted on 10/6/20
I'm wary of what I am putting here. I have never been a member of a union and have no interest in ever doing so. I get that there will be good and bad union reps however,
A teacher I know of had an issue at their school with regards to racism and the union did very little. As it turns out the union rep had their own interests at heart and also the head teacher although they shouldn't have been was involved far too much in what happened in union meetings and the rep with aspirations of their own did little to prevent it
posted on 10/6/20
Just realised I'm in work and sitting writing lengthy posts on here.
posted on 10/6/20
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