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comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 32 minutes ago
except people haven't listened to the guidelines
they've been having parties flooding beaches etc etc
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This is true, but it only accounts for a tiny percentage of the population. Nobody has been going to sporting events, gigs, festivals, theatres etc; most offices are closed and pubs only reopened just over a month ago. The steps taken have been unprecedented so have surely had a massive impact on the potential spread of the virus and subsequent death toll.
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Did all of Bournemouth beach die? Or all of the BLM protesters worldwide? What about the Leeds and Liverpool football fans celebrating there title wins? No, old and vulnerable are the ones dying, not the vast majority of healthy people.
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And you think those healthy people are not going near vulnerable people?
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and yet after all of those events.....these people went around vulnerable people and the death rate and case rate spiked right....
no didn't think so
next media myth you want to peddle?
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I live in the US and it is definitely spiking with people acting that way
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yeah but its not though.
I am in california, no-one talks about us, the left wing focus on Texas and Florida opening up and suddenly the spike, try explain California, we are now midway through our 5th month of lockdown, cases going up, death % going down and down but they don't want to report that because it ruins the narrative
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Of course the death rate will go down, those at high risk have effectively removed themselves from society for one. And naturally the handling of cases has improved as well meaning those that may have died in the early days of this virus are now being saved.
But the bottom line here is that if all the selfish cants had just worn masks, avoided crowds for a few months this thing would be mostly under control now just like it is in many many countries but nope, now we are losing college football for the season just so these same cants can have some fun at the beach, bar, church or grad party that is a necessity apparently.
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so sweetheart we know flu kills 0.1% do you also support us going into lockdown every winter to save those souls
or do you only support the 0.3% for covid?
cant have it both ways princess
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There are highly effective flu vaccines, very strange comparison.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
Anyone thinking the torries, trump administration are inflating the death numbers really need their head examining
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These are mostly people who are trying to justify their own selfish behaviour throughout the pandemic. They're going to do what they want regardless, but want to find a way to rationalise it. The other big one you see all over Facebook is "my mental health..." Sorry mate, but people with genuine mental health issues don't often feel the need to weaponise it and use it as an excuse for acting like a kant. All they are doing is trivialising mental health with this selfishness and complete lack of empathy.
It’s real, people have died and suffered from it however the vast majority of us will be ok. Until there’s a vaccine (if there ever is one) then it’s very difficult to contain and we should all do our best to stop the spread which means wear a f-cking mask, it really isn’t hard!
The UK and US have done a terrible job and clearly have no problem with letting people die to help the economy.
What Covid has shown me is just how selfish and stupid a large number of people are which is pretty depressing.
I know a handful of people who have had it including children with varying symptoms, luckily none have died or suffered too badly. I think once someone close to you does (which will inevitably happen) then people’s views will change.
I don’t understand how people can’t see the impact of the virus. It’s real as death. Companies are closing, people are losing jobs. Those that have had it, the severity is much worse than a flu. Just be thankful you or people you know haven’t had to suffer
The irony, 1982, is that the countries that took a laissez-faire approach to the pandemic because they prioritised protecting the economy over saving lives are the ones sustaining the most devastating economic damage. Turns out that mass death isn't great for productivity or consumer confidence.
comment by 50... (U1147)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don’t understand how people can’t see the impact of the virus. It’s real as death. Companies are closing, people are losing jobs. Those that have had it, the severity is much worse than a flu. Just be thankful you or people you know haven’t had to suffer
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It seems that some of us inhabit a media world of alternative facts, conspiracies and far right tropes.
Seen a lot of numbers mis-used in this thread. The bottom line is that in the UK, whilst the virus was rampant, an excess 65,000 people died.
That's despite all the efforts to stop it spreading. Without a lockdown it would have been far higher, and with a more competently implemented lock down it would have been far lower.
So that is what these measures equate to, tens of thousands of lives.
If you don't understand what excess deaths are, they have nothing to do with Covid diognoses, but how many people died this year compared to how many deaths were expected. This is considered by many the best indicator of the impact of COVID-19.
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comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
Anyone thinking the torries, trump administration are inflating the death numbers really need their head examining
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These are mostly people who are trying to justify their own selfish behaviour throughout the pandemic. They're going to do what they want regardless, but want to find a way to rationalise it. The other big one you see all over Facebook is "my mental health..." Sorry mate, but people with genuine mental health issues don't often feel the need to weaponise it and use it as an excuse for acting like a kant. All they are doing is trivialising mental health with this selfishness and complete lack of empathy.
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tbf, my mental health took a massive nosedive and I had to really fight to overcome anxiety of even just stepping outside. Yes, some people use the term as a way to sound edgy and cool... But plenty of others will have genuinely suffered from some level of mental illness (for the first time) during lockdown.
comment by Shaun M - Bye bye, to the football league! (U9955)
posted 8 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 32 minutes ago
except people haven't listened to the guidelines
they've been having parties flooding beaches etc etc
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This is true, but it only accounts for a tiny percentage of the population. Nobody has been going to sporting events, gigs, festivals, theatres etc; most offices are closed and pubs only reopened just over a month ago. The steps taken have been unprecedented so have surely had a massive impact on the potential spread of the virus and subsequent death toll.
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Did all of Bournemouth beach die? Or all of the BLM protesters worldwide? What about the Leeds and Liverpool football fans celebrating there title wins? No, old and vulnerable are the ones dying, not the vast majority of healthy people.
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Those instances of mass gatherings still involved people who, when they were done, returned to a largely locked-down world. The issue isn’t just catching it, it’s catching it and spreading it. Even if you picked it up at, say, a BLM protest, you probably didn’t get on a train the next day, go to the office, go to the gym, go to the pub or a restaurant. In other words, your chances of spreading it were severely limited.
Agree with others here. The real facking stupid part of all this is (very predictably) that the countries which were slowest to lock down properly/or lock down properly at all due to the desire not to effect their economies are suffering the worst economic hit.
The absolute clown show from the UK gov has not only cost thousands of deaths but will also hit people far worse economically due to letting things get way beyond any chance of long or even short term stability.
It's alright though, at least hundreds of millions in crucial contracts can now be awarded to unsuitable companies run by Tory pals, relatives and donors
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comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
Anyone thinking the torries, trump administration are inflating the death numbers really need their head examining
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These are mostly people who are trying to justify their own selfish behaviour throughout the pandemic. They're going to do what they want regardless, but want to find a way to rationalise it. The other big one you see all over Facebook is "my mental health..." Sorry mate, but people with genuine mental health issues don't often feel the need to weaponise it and use it as an excuse for acting like a kant. All they are doing is trivialising mental health with this selfishness and complete lack of empathy.
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tbf, my mental health took a massive nosedive and I had to really fight to overcome anxiety of even just stepping outside. Yes, some people use the term as a way to sound edgy and cool... But plenty of others will have genuinely suffered from some level of mental illness (for the first time) during lockdown.
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Hope you're feeling better now. I don't think my post came across as intended when referring to mental health. I wasn't saying that the pandemic wouldn't have a detrimental impact on mental health. It was more that you see people plastering it all over Facebook as almost a throwaway term and an excuse to break regulations. Those people in turn are actually trivialising the struggles that others like yourself have genuinely suffered.
I hope you're feeling better anyway and didn't mean to cause offence
comment by Wonder Man (U11164)
posted 29 minutes ago
Seen a lot of numbers mis-used in this thread. The bottom line is that in the UK, whilst the virus was rampant, an excess 65,000 people died.
That's despite all the efforts to stop it spreading. Without a lockdown it would have been far higher, and with a more competently implemented lock down it would have been far lower.
So that is what these measures equate to, tens of thousands of lives.
If you don't understand what excess deaths are, they have nothing to do with Covid diognoses, but how many people died this year compared to how many deaths were expected. This is considered by many the best indicator of the impact of COVID-19.
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It's certainly the measure I use, as it's irrefutable. It also can't be downplayed by conspiracy theorists and naysayers
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comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
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comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
Anyone thinking the torries, trump administration are inflating the death numbers really need their head examining
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These are mostly people who are trying to justify their own selfish behaviour throughout the pandemic. They're going to do what they want regardless, but want to find a way to rationalise it. The other big one you see all over Facebook is "my mental health..." Sorry mate, but people with genuine mental health issues don't often feel the need to weaponise it and use it as an excuse for acting like a kant. All they are doing is trivialising mental health with this selfishness and complete lack of empathy.
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tbf, my mental health took a massive nosedive and I had to really fight to overcome anxiety of even just stepping outside. Yes, some people use the term as a way to sound edgy and cool... But plenty of others will have genuinely suffered from some level of mental illness (for the first time) during lockdown.
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Genuinely hope you feel better mate.
Mental health is a barsteward and there is still a lack of understanding around it. I went through a really bad phase myself and the knock on effects affected my whole life and still do today. I'm talking marriage, work the lot.
That said nothing annoys me more than how flippantly some people use it including members of my own family.
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comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
Anyone thinking the torries, trump administration are inflating the death numbers really need their head examining
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These are mostly people who are trying to justify their own selfish behaviour throughout the pandemic. They're going to do what they want regardless, but want to find a way to rationalise it. The other big one you see all over Facebook is "my mental health..." Sorry mate, but people with genuine mental health issues don't often feel the need to weaponise it and use it as an excuse for acting like a kant. All they are doing is trivialising mental health with this selfishness and complete lack of empathy.
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tbf, my mental health took a massive nosedive and I had to really fight to overcome anxiety of even just stepping outside. Yes, some people use the term as a way to sound edgy and cool... But plenty of others will have genuinely suffered from some level of mental illness (for the first time) during lockdown.
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Hope you're feeling better now. I don't think my post came across as intended when referring to mental health. I wasn't saying that the pandemic wouldn't have a detrimental impact on mental health. It was more that you see people plastering it all over Facebook as almost a throwaway term and an excuse to break regulations. Those people in turn are actually trivialising the struggles that others like yourself have genuinely suffered.
I hope you're feeling better anyway and didn't mean to cause offence
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I didn't take it in a bad way Merry. You made a valid point IMO as a minority will use it as an excuse. My partner has been suffering with it but we've stuck to the rules as I'm sure the vast majority have. It's just those one or two breaking it that spoils it for everyone.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 9 hours, 33 minutes ago
The vast majority of people were not going to parties or packed beaches in defiance of the official restrictions. In fact, it seems the British public overall had far more respect for the rules and sense of the common good than the members of our ruling class.
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Good old Dom, cough* caaant.
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comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
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Anyone thinking the torries, trump administration are inflating the death numbers really need their head examining
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These are mostly people who are trying to justify their own selfish behaviour throughout the pandemic. They're going to do what they want regardless, but want to find a way to rationalise it. The other big one you see all over Facebook is "my mental health..." Sorry mate, but people with genuine mental health issues don't often feel the need to weaponise it and use it as an excuse for acting like a kant. All they are doing is trivialising mental health with this selfishness and complete lack of empathy.
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tbf, my mental health took a massive nosedive and I had to really fight to overcome anxiety of even just stepping outside. Yes, some people use the term as a way to sound edgy and cool... But plenty of others will have genuinely suffered from some level of mental illness (for the first time) during lockdown.
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Hope you're feeling better now. I don't think my post came across as intended when referring to mental health. I wasn't saying that the pandemic wouldn't have a detrimental impact on mental health. It was more that you see people plastering it all over Facebook as almost a throwaway term and an excuse to break regulations. Those people in turn are actually trivialising the struggles that others like yourself have genuinely suffered.
I hope you're feeling better anyway and didn't mean to cause offence
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I didn't take it in a bad way Merry. You made a valid point IMO as a minority will use it as an excuse. My partner has been suffering with it but we've stuck to the rules as I'm sure the vast majority have. It's just those one or two breaking it that spoils it for everyone.
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True. And as the old saying goes, "empty vessels make the most noise," sadly. So it probably makes it appear that more people are breaking the rules than actually are.
Don't really know how anyone still doesn't take this seriously.
756,000 people have died worldwide from it in the span of about 7 months, and that's with lock-downs in place and if you believe official figures from China, Russia etc.
To say that many of you on this thread are as uninformed and as thick as pig 5hit abut what this virus is and what damage it can cause people of all ages and health status, unless it is dealt with collectively and responsibly is a massive understatement.
We knew absolutely nothing about this virus when it started and are just beginning to learn from it now and also significantly, we are seeing how the after effects of having Covid is impacting the patients who survived. It could take months for many to recover adequately/fully, or even maybe, never at all.
Meanwhile, if you really want to think that it is a conspiracy theory, or a plan to undermine the World economy by anarchists, aided and betted by the very best academically qualified medical professions and the great democratic governments of the World, then it says a lot more about you than it does them.
comment by RB&W (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
To say that many of you on this thread are as uninformed and as thick as pig 5hit abut what this virus is and what damage it can cause people of all ages and health status, unless it is dealt with collectively and responsibly is a massive understatement.
We knew absolutely nothing about this virus when it started and are just beginning to learn from it now and also significantly, we are seeing how the after effects of having Covid is impacting the patients who survived. It could take months for many to recover adequately/fully, or even maybe, never at all.
Meanwhile, if you really want to think that it is a conspiracy theory, or a plan to undermine the World economy by anarchists, aided and betted by the very best academically qualified medical professions and the great democratic governments of the World, then it says a lot more about you than it does them.
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I'm taking it very seriously whilst also trying to live as normal a life as possible. I'd say most have stuck to the rules but I don't get the people that say it's nothing. It clearly is something as I know of quite a few people who have died/been seriously ill with it.
Let's hope for a vaccine soon otherwise I think we're going to have to get used to things being the way they are for a good while yet.
It seems that those who have first hand experience of the effects of Covid take it seriously and those who have not yet, think its a joke past its sell by date,
Like Flat Earthers who sailed the seas long enough and didn't fall of the edge but got back to where they started from.
comment by RB&W (U21434)
posted 6 minutes ago
It seems that those who have first hand experience of the effects of Covid take it seriously and those who have not yet, think its a joke past its sell by date,
Like Flat Earthers who sailed the seas long enough and didn't fall of the edge but got back to where they started from.
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I do take it very seriously.
I'm of the opinion that we must try and get some normality back but it must be within some pretty stringent rules for the time being as well. If everyone stuck to them properly then we'd get rid of it much quicker. To say it's a hoax/myth etc is foolish in the extreme. Those 'excess deaths' haven't come from nothing!
Let's hope for a vaccine soon otherwise I think we're going to have to get used to things being the way they are for a good while yet.
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It's an absolute mess of a situation. The 1968 "Hong Kong Flu" pandemic killed about a million worldwide, which I think was lower than previous pandemics, and lasted about a year and a half. I'd imagine the process of coming up with a vaccine was less fraught as that was another type of flu (H3N2).
I'm not optimistic about a vaccine for Covid-19 and certainly not before the middle of next year. I honestly can't see "normal life" returning until summer 2021 at the earliest, unless the virus somehow becomes less deadly of its own accord. "Reopening" has gone pretty much how I thought it would: rises in cases and local lockdowns.
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
Don't really know how anyone still doesn't take this seriously.
756,000 people have died worldwide from it in the span of about 7 months, and that's with lock-downs in place and if you believe official figures from China, Russia etc.
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I don’t anyone isn’t take it serious but here in Ireland there is 13 people in hospital with the virus. That’s 13 people from a nearly 5 million population.
Hospitals were never over run at the peak of this and certainly are not now.
Yet we are forced to wear face masks and some businesses are still not allowed to re-open.
It’s ridiculous imo.
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
Don't really know how anyone still doesn't take this seriously.
756,000 people have died worldwide from it in the span of about 7 months, and that's with lock-downs in place and if you believe official figures from China, Russia etc.
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I don’t anyone isn’t take it serious but here in Ireland there is 13 people in hospital with the virus. That’s 13 people from a nearly 5 million population.
Hospitals were never over run at the peak of this and certainly are not now.
Yet we are forced to wear face masks and some businesses are still not allowed to re-open.
It’s ridiculous imo.
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I know what you're saying, but you could recast that scenario by asking: How many people would be hospitalised if all businesses were open and nobody wore masks or enacted any kind of social distancing?
I think it's a balance now.
I think that the chances of me getting it and being really ill are slim. However, I could be spreading it unknowingly as well so I'm still going to do as much as I can of my normal life but with social distancing very much in mind. If we're all responsible we can get through this.
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comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
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comment by Cinciwolf---Wolves-4th best side in the country---VAR 'not so fast'!! (U11551)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Shaun M - Bye bye, to the football league! (U9955)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 32 minutes ago
except people haven't listened to the guidelines
they've been having parties flooding beaches etc etc
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This is true, but it only accounts for a tiny percentage of the population. Nobody has been going to sporting events, gigs, festivals, theatres etc; most offices are closed and pubs only reopened just over a month ago. The steps taken have been unprecedented so have surely had a massive impact on the potential spread of the virus and subsequent death toll.
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Did all of Bournemouth beach die? Or all of the BLM protesters worldwide? What about the Leeds and Liverpool football fans celebrating there title wins? No, old and vulnerable are the ones dying, not the vast majority of healthy people.
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And you think those healthy people are not going near vulnerable people?
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and yet after all of those events.....these people went around vulnerable people and the death rate and case rate spiked right....
no didn't think so
next media myth you want to peddle?
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I live in the US and it is definitely spiking with people acting that way
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yeah but its not though.
I am in california, no-one talks about us, the left wing focus on Texas and Florida opening up and suddenly the spike, try explain California, we are now midway through our 5th month of lockdown, cases going up, death % going down and down but they don't want to report that because it ruins the narrative
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Of course the death rate will go down, those at high risk have effectively removed themselves from society for one. And naturally the handling of cases has improved as well meaning those that may have died in the early days of this virus are now being saved.
But the bottom line here is that if all the selfish cants had just worn masks, avoided crowds for a few months this thing would be mostly under control now just like it is in many many countries but nope, now we are losing college football for the season just so these same cants can have some fun at the beach, bar, church or grad party that is a necessity apparently.
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so sweetheart we know flu kills 0.1% do you also support us going into lockdown every winter to save those souls
or do you only support the 0.3% for covid?
cant have it both ways princess
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There are highly effective flu vaccines, very strange comparison.
posted on 14/8/20
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
Anyone thinking the torries, trump administration are inflating the death numbers really need their head examining
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These are mostly people who are trying to justify their own selfish behaviour throughout the pandemic. They're going to do what they want regardless, but want to find a way to rationalise it. The other big one you see all over Facebook is "my mental health..." Sorry mate, but people with genuine mental health issues don't often feel the need to weaponise it and use it as an excuse for acting like a kant. All they are doing is trivialising mental health with this selfishness and complete lack of empathy.
posted on 14/8/20
It’s real, people have died and suffered from it however the vast majority of us will be ok. Until there’s a vaccine (if there ever is one) then it’s very difficult to contain and we should all do our best to stop the spread which means wear a f-cking mask, it really isn’t hard!
The UK and US have done a terrible job and clearly have no problem with letting people die to help the economy.
What Covid has shown me is just how selfish and stupid a large number of people are which is pretty depressing.
I know a handful of people who have had it including children with varying symptoms, luckily none have died or suffered too badly. I think once someone close to you does (which will inevitably happen) then people’s views will change.
posted on 14/8/20
I don’t understand how people can’t see the impact of the virus. It’s real as death. Companies are closing, people are losing jobs. Those that have had it, the severity is much worse than a flu. Just be thankful you or people you know haven’t had to suffer
posted on 14/8/20
The irony, 1982, is that the countries that took a laissez-faire approach to the pandemic because they prioritised protecting the economy over saving lives are the ones sustaining the most devastating economic damage. Turns out that mass death isn't great for productivity or consumer confidence.
posted on 14/8/20
comment by 50... (U1147)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don’t understand how people can’t see the impact of the virus. It’s real as death. Companies are closing, people are losing jobs. Those that have had it, the severity is much worse than a flu. Just be thankful you or people you know haven’t had to suffer
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It seems that some of us inhabit a media world of alternative facts, conspiracies and far right tropes.
posted on 14/8/20
Seen a lot of numbers mis-used in this thread. The bottom line is that in the UK, whilst the virus was rampant, an excess 65,000 people died.
That's despite all the efforts to stop it spreading. Without a lockdown it would have been far higher, and with a more competently implemented lock down it would have been far lower.
So that is what these measures equate to, tens of thousands of lives.
If you don't understand what excess deaths are, they have nothing to do with Covid diognoses, but how many people died this year compared to how many deaths were expected. This is considered by many the best indicator of the impact of COVID-19.
posted on 14/8/20
comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
Anyone thinking the torries, trump administration are inflating the death numbers really need their head examining
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These are mostly people who are trying to justify their own selfish behaviour throughout the pandemic. They're going to do what they want regardless, but want to find a way to rationalise it. The other big one you see all over Facebook is "my mental health..." Sorry mate, but people with genuine mental health issues don't often feel the need to weaponise it and use it as an excuse for acting like a kant. All they are doing is trivialising mental health with this selfishness and complete lack of empathy.
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tbf, my mental health took a massive nosedive and I had to really fight to overcome anxiety of even just stepping outside. Yes, some people use the term as a way to sound edgy and cool... But plenty of others will have genuinely suffered from some level of mental illness (for the first time) during lockdown.
posted on 14/8/20
comment by Shaun M - Bye bye, to the football league! (U9955)
posted 8 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 32 minutes ago
except people haven't listened to the guidelines
they've been having parties flooding beaches etc etc
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This is true, but it only accounts for a tiny percentage of the population. Nobody has been going to sporting events, gigs, festivals, theatres etc; most offices are closed and pubs only reopened just over a month ago. The steps taken have been unprecedented so have surely had a massive impact on the potential spread of the virus and subsequent death toll.
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Did all of Bournemouth beach die? Or all of the BLM protesters worldwide? What about the Leeds and Liverpool football fans celebrating there title wins? No, old and vulnerable are the ones dying, not the vast majority of healthy people.
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Those instances of mass gatherings still involved people who, when they were done, returned to a largely locked-down world. The issue isn’t just catching it, it’s catching it and spreading it. Even if you picked it up at, say, a BLM protest, you probably didn’t get on a train the next day, go to the office, go to the gym, go to the pub or a restaurant. In other words, your chances of spreading it were severely limited.
posted on 14/8/20
Agree with others here. The real facking stupid part of all this is (very predictably) that the countries which were slowest to lock down properly/or lock down properly at all due to the desire not to effect their economies are suffering the worst economic hit.
The absolute clown show from the UK gov has not only cost thousands of deaths but will also hit people far worse economically due to letting things get way beyond any chance of long or even short term stability.
It's alright though, at least hundreds of millions in crucial contracts can now be awarded to unsuitable companies run by Tory pals, relatives and donors
posted on 14/8/20
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
Anyone thinking the torries, trump administration are inflating the death numbers really need their head examining
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These are mostly people who are trying to justify their own selfish behaviour throughout the pandemic. They're going to do what they want regardless, but want to find a way to rationalise it. The other big one you see all over Facebook is "my mental health..." Sorry mate, but people with genuine mental health issues don't often feel the need to weaponise it and use it as an excuse for acting like a kant. All they are doing is trivialising mental health with this selfishness and complete lack of empathy.
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tbf, my mental health took a massive nosedive and I had to really fight to overcome anxiety of even just stepping outside. Yes, some people use the term as a way to sound edgy and cool... But plenty of others will have genuinely suffered from some level of mental illness (for the first time) during lockdown.
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Hope you're feeling better now. I don't think my post came across as intended when referring to mental health. I wasn't saying that the pandemic wouldn't have a detrimental impact on mental health. It was more that you see people plastering it all over Facebook as almost a throwaway term and an excuse to break regulations. Those people in turn are actually trivialising the struggles that others like yourself have genuinely suffered.
I hope you're feeling better anyway and didn't mean to cause offence
posted on 14/8/20
comment by Wonder Man (U11164)
posted 29 minutes ago
Seen a lot of numbers mis-used in this thread. The bottom line is that in the UK, whilst the virus was rampant, an excess 65,000 people died.
That's despite all the efforts to stop it spreading. Without a lockdown it would have been far higher, and with a more competently implemented lock down it would have been far lower.
So that is what these measures equate to, tens of thousands of lives.
If you don't understand what excess deaths are, they have nothing to do with Covid diognoses, but how many people died this year compared to how many deaths were expected. This is considered by many the best indicator of the impact of COVID-19.
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It's certainly the measure I use, as it's irrefutable. It also can't be downplayed by conspiracy theorists and naysayers
posted on 14/8/20
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Ma... (U2958)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
Anyone thinking the torries, trump administration are inflating the death numbers really need their head examining
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These are mostly people who are trying to justify their own selfish behaviour throughout the pandemic. They're going to do what they want regardless, but want to find a way to rationalise it. The other big one you see all over Facebook is "my mental health..." Sorry mate, but people with genuine mental health issues don't often feel the need to weaponise it and use it as an excuse for acting like a kant. All they are doing is trivialising mental health with this selfishness and complete lack of empathy.
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tbf, my mental health took a massive nosedive and I had to really fight to overcome anxiety of even just stepping outside. Yes, some people use the term as a way to sound edgy and cool... But plenty of others will have genuinely suffered from some level of mental illness (for the first time) during lockdown.
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Genuinely hope you feel better mate.
Mental health is a barsteward and there is still a lack of understanding around it. I went through a really bad phase myself and the knock on effects affected my whole life and still do today. I'm talking marriage, work the lot.
That said nothing annoys me more than how flippantly some people use it including members of my own family.
posted on 14/8/20
comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
Anyone thinking the torries, trump administration are inflating the death numbers really need their head examining
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These are mostly people who are trying to justify their own selfish behaviour throughout the pandemic. They're going to do what they want regardless, but want to find a way to rationalise it. The other big one you see all over Facebook is "my mental health..." Sorry mate, but people with genuine mental health issues don't often feel the need to weaponise it and use it as an excuse for acting like a kant. All they are doing is trivialising mental health with this selfishness and complete lack of empathy.
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tbf, my mental health took a massive nosedive and I had to really fight to overcome anxiety of even just stepping outside. Yes, some people use the term as a way to sound edgy and cool... But plenty of others will have genuinely suffered from some level of mental illness (for the first time) during lockdown.
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Hope you're feeling better now. I don't think my post came across as intended when referring to mental health. I wasn't saying that the pandemic wouldn't have a detrimental impact on mental health. It was more that you see people plastering it all over Facebook as almost a throwaway term and an excuse to break regulations. Those people in turn are actually trivialising the struggles that others like yourself have genuinely suffered.
I hope you're feeling better anyway and didn't mean to cause offence
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I didn't take it in a bad way Merry. You made a valid point IMO as a minority will use it as an excuse. My partner has been suffering with it but we've stuck to the rules as I'm sure the vast majority have. It's just those one or two breaking it that spoils it for everyone.
posted on 14/8/20
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 9 hours, 33 minutes ago
The vast majority of people were not going to parties or packed beaches in defiance of the official restrictions. In fact, it seems the British public overall had far more respect for the rules and sense of the common good than the members of our ruling class.
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Good old Dom, cough* caaant.
posted on 14/8/20
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
Anyone thinking the torries, trump administration are inflating the death numbers really need their head examining
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These are mostly people who are trying to justify their own selfish behaviour throughout the pandemic. They're going to do what they want regardless, but want to find a way to rationalise it. The other big one you see all over Facebook is "my mental health..." Sorry mate, but people with genuine mental health issues don't often feel the need to weaponise it and use it as an excuse for acting like a kant. All they are doing is trivialising mental health with this selfishness and complete lack of empathy.
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tbf, my mental health took a massive nosedive and I had to really fight to overcome anxiety of even just stepping outside. Yes, some people use the term as a way to sound edgy and cool... But plenty of others will have genuinely suffered from some level of mental illness (for the first time) during lockdown.
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Hope you're feeling better now. I don't think my post came across as intended when referring to mental health. I wasn't saying that the pandemic wouldn't have a detrimental impact on mental health. It was more that you see people plastering it all over Facebook as almost a throwaway term and an excuse to break regulations. Those people in turn are actually trivialising the struggles that others like yourself have genuinely suffered.
I hope you're feeling better anyway and didn't mean to cause offence
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I didn't take it in a bad way Merry. You made a valid point IMO as a minority will use it as an excuse. My partner has been suffering with it but we've stuck to the rules as I'm sure the vast majority have. It's just those one or two breaking it that spoils it for everyone.
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True. And as the old saying goes, "empty vessels make the most noise," sadly. So it probably makes it appear that more people are breaking the rules than actually are.
posted on 14/8/20
Don't really know how anyone still doesn't take this seriously.
756,000 people have died worldwide from it in the span of about 7 months, and that's with lock-downs in place and if you believe official figures from China, Russia etc.
posted on 14/8/20
To say that many of you on this thread are as uninformed and as thick as pig 5hit abut what this virus is and what damage it can cause people of all ages and health status, unless it is dealt with collectively and responsibly is a massive understatement.
We knew absolutely nothing about this virus when it started and are just beginning to learn from it now and also significantly, we are seeing how the after effects of having Covid is impacting the patients who survived. It could take months for many to recover adequately/fully, or even maybe, never at all.
Meanwhile, if you really want to think that it is a conspiracy theory, or a plan to undermine the World economy by anarchists, aided and betted by the very best academically qualified medical professions and the great democratic governments of the World, then it says a lot more about you than it does them.
posted on 14/8/20
comment by RB&W (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
To say that many of you on this thread are as uninformed and as thick as pig 5hit abut what this virus is and what damage it can cause people of all ages and health status, unless it is dealt with collectively and responsibly is a massive understatement.
We knew absolutely nothing about this virus when it started and are just beginning to learn from it now and also significantly, we are seeing how the after effects of having Covid is impacting the patients who survived. It could take months for many to recover adequately/fully, or even maybe, never at all.
Meanwhile, if you really want to think that it is a conspiracy theory, or a plan to undermine the World economy by anarchists, aided and betted by the very best academically qualified medical professions and the great democratic governments of the World, then it says a lot more about you than it does them.
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I'm taking it very seriously whilst also trying to live as normal a life as possible. I'd say most have stuck to the rules but I don't get the people that say it's nothing. It clearly is something as I know of quite a few people who have died/been seriously ill with it.
Let's hope for a vaccine soon otherwise I think we're going to have to get used to things being the way they are for a good while yet.
posted on 14/8/20
It seems that those who have first hand experience of the effects of Covid take it seriously and those who have not yet, think its a joke past its sell by date,
Like Flat Earthers who sailed the seas long enough and didn't fall of the edge but got back to where they started from.
posted on 14/8/20
comment by RB&W (U21434)
posted 6 minutes ago
It seems that those who have first hand experience of the effects of Covid take it seriously and those who have not yet, think its a joke past its sell by date,
Like Flat Earthers who sailed the seas long enough and didn't fall of the edge but got back to where they started from.
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I do take it very seriously.
I'm of the opinion that we must try and get some normality back but it must be within some pretty stringent rules for the time being as well. If everyone stuck to them properly then we'd get rid of it much quicker. To say it's a hoax/myth etc is foolish in the extreme. Those 'excess deaths' haven't come from nothing!
posted on 14/8/20
Let's hope for a vaccine soon otherwise I think we're going to have to get used to things being the way they are for a good while yet.
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It's an absolute mess of a situation. The 1968 "Hong Kong Flu" pandemic killed about a million worldwide, which I think was lower than previous pandemics, and lasted about a year and a half. I'd imagine the process of coming up with a vaccine was less fraught as that was another type of flu (H3N2).
I'm not optimistic about a vaccine for Covid-19 and certainly not before the middle of next year. I honestly can't see "normal life" returning until summer 2021 at the earliest, unless the virus somehow becomes less deadly of its own accord. "Reopening" has gone pretty much how I thought it would: rises in cases and local lockdowns.
posted on 14/8/20
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
Don't really know how anyone still doesn't take this seriously.
756,000 people have died worldwide from it in the span of about 7 months, and that's with lock-downs in place and if you believe official figures from China, Russia etc.
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I don’t anyone isn’t take it serious but here in Ireland there is 13 people in hospital with the virus. That’s 13 people from a nearly 5 million population.
Hospitals were never over run at the peak of this and certainly are not now.
Yet we are forced to wear face masks and some businesses are still not allowed to re-open.
It’s ridiculous imo.
posted on 14/8/20
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
Don't really know how anyone still doesn't take this seriously.
756,000 people have died worldwide from it in the span of about 7 months, and that's with lock-downs in place and if you believe official figures from China, Russia etc.
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I don’t anyone isn’t take it serious but here in Ireland there is 13 people in hospital with the virus. That’s 13 people from a nearly 5 million population.
Hospitals were never over run at the peak of this and certainly are not now.
Yet we are forced to wear face masks and some businesses are still not allowed to re-open.
It’s ridiculous imo.
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I know what you're saying, but you could recast that scenario by asking: How many people would be hospitalised if all businesses were open and nobody wore masks or enacted any kind of social distancing?
posted on 14/8/20
I think it's a balance now.
I think that the chances of me getting it and being really ill are slim. However, I could be spreading it unknowingly as well so I'm still going to do as much as I can of my normal life but with social distancing very much in mind. If we're all responsible we can get through this.
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