comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 11 seconds ago
Gazza could have been a great. Most on this list have had better careers, I suppose.
You do wonder what would have happened if he had gone to Utd
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Yeh, I watched a documentary about recently and hadn't realised how close that had come to happening.
I asked the question because I think there's an argument to say that he's the most talented midfielder England have ever had and I'd be tempted to rank him right at the top.
But then again, with injuries and other factors, his career perhaps didn't reach the heights it could have, so maybe you can't rank him above those on the list who have won trophy after trophy.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 11 minutes ago
Out of interest, where are people putting Gazza on this list?
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in the pub
Ranked by their best seasons in terms of PL non penalty goals + assists per 90 (minimum 2000 minutes)
Fabregas (09/10) - 1.03
De Bruyne (19/20) - 1.00
Mata (12/13) - 0.76
Silva (17/18) - 0.74
Lampard (09/10) -0.73
Gerrard (08/09) -0.72
Yaya (13/14) -0.71
Pogba (17/18) - 0.67
Scholes (98/99) - 0.63
Not including the defensive midfielders
Anyone who doesn’t have Keane at the top is an ABU wum troll
Some fantastic talents on the list, whatever way you slice it.
When you look at the list, it feels like we're in a bit of a lull for central midfielders currently. Maybe it's the way teams play.
You can never say who's the best, so it comes down to what type of player you like and probably who you support.
Only thing I'd say is that Pogba has no place being compared to this lot
Paul Scholes
Steven Gerrard
Roy Keane
David Silva
Patrick Viera
Yaya Toure
Frank Lampard
Kevin De Bruyne
Michael Essien
Claude Makelele
Ngolo Kante
Cesc Fabregas
Juan Mata
<insert a lot of spaces here>
Paul Pogba
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 6 minutes ago
Anyone who doesn’t have Keane at the top is an ABU wum troll
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Yes Keane was immense for a number of years. A top five IMO but like others have said, there are different types of player in the same position.
comment by SaintsRow (U18359)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
Lampard 2nd
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arguably the most big game player in the list. Scored in important games all the time, finals,semi finals, the article also says at their best.
Lampard followed by toure have the two best seasons out of all them players.
Lampard also 2nd in ballon dor.
So at his best it has to be lampard. If we are talking aoverall, thats a different conversation
Wahl is a poor mans sandy
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by SaintsRow (U18359)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
Lampard 2nd
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arguably the most big game player in the list. Scored in important games all the time, finals,semi finals, the article also says at their best.
Lampard followed by toure have the two best seasons out of all them players.
Lampard also 2nd in ballon dor.
So at his best it has to be lampard. If we are talking aoverall, thats a different conversation
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Don't take this as a dig, but I love it when people invent their own criteria, apply it and then hey presto, it spits out the answer they want.
You have every right to your opinion but let's not pretend that is the only way for us to arrive at our answer
A good conversation to be had over a 5 year stretch.
In terms of at their best which i guess can mean their best season.
I'd have lampard. 2nd in ballon d'or behind ronaldinho.
yaya toure - unreal numbers in one of his seasons.
KDB - current poty, was unreal last season.
If we are talking 5 year stretch or so im not sure who would be top, maybe keane, vieira etc stand a chance
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by SaintsRow (U18359)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
Lampard 2nd
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arguably the most big game player in the list. Scored in important games all the time, finals,semi finals, the article also says at their best.
Lampard followed by toure have the two best seasons out of all them players.
Lampard also 2nd in ballon dor.
So at his best it has to be lampard. If we are talking aoverall, thats a different conversation
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Don't take this as a dig, but I love it when people invent their own criteria, apply it and then hey presto, it spits out the answer they want.
You have every right to your opinion but let's not pretend that is the only way for us to arrive at our answer
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More than willing to accept any other criteria, hence my second comment. If only you'd have waited ay .
What is considered as at their best? Their prime? their best seasons?who won most.
For example drogba at his best was the best striker in the league (finals etc) but if we are talking at their best over a season, then henry has it hands down (20 goals and assists)
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 20 minutes ago
Ranked by their best seasons in terms of PL non penalty goals + assists per 90 (minimum 2000 minutes)
Fabregas (09/10) - 1.03
De Bruyne (19/20) - 1.00
Mata (12/13) - 0.76
Silva (17/18) - 0.74
Lampard (09/10) -0.73
Gerrard (08/09) -0.72
Yaya (13/14) -0.71
Pogba (17/18) - 0.67
Scholes (98/99) - 0.63
Not including the defensive midfielders
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why non penalty? what have we got with everything included?
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by SaintsRow (U18359)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
Lampard 2nd
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arguably the most big game player in the list. Scored in important games all the time, finals,semi finals, the article also says at their best.
Lampard followed by toure have the two best seasons out of all them players.
Lampard also 2nd in ballon dor.
So at his best it has to be lampard. If we are talking aoverall, thats a different conversation
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Don't take this as a dig, but I love it when people invent their own criteria, apply it and then hey presto, it spits out the answer they want.
You have every right to your opinion but let's not pretend that is the only way for us to arrive at our answer
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More than willing to accept any other criteria, hence my second comment. If only you'd have waited ay.
What is considered as at their best? Their prime? their best seasons?who won most.
For example drogba at his best was the best striker in the league (finals etc) but if we are talking at their best over a season, then henry has it hands down (20 goals and assists)
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But it's all opinion, there's no right and wrong. I'd take Cantona over both of them, but that's me.
Nickasaurus (U9257)
No right or wrong is there mate, and we'll all be biased to our own players - particularly if you go to games.
I have sat there and watched Keane & Scholes absolutely dominate the league in a two man central midfield, laying the platform for Beckham, Giggs and whichever striking combination to deliver the goods.
Hard for me to see past those players.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 20 minutes ago
Ranked by their best seasons in terms of PL non penalty goals + assists per 90 (minimum 2000 minutes)
Fabregas (09/10) - 1.03
De Bruyne (19/20) - 1.00
Mata (12/13) - 0.76
Silva (17/18) - 0.74
Lampard (09/10) -0.73
Gerrard (08/09) -0.72
Yaya (13/14) -0.71
Pogba (17/18) - 0.67
Scholes (98/99) - 0.63
Not including the defensive midfielders
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why non penalty? what have we got with everything included?
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Fabregas (09/10) - 1.15
De Bruyne (19/20) - 1.06
Lampard (09/10) - 1.01
Yaya (13/14) - 0.89
Gerrard (08/09) - 0.86
Mata (12/13) - 0.76
Silva (17/18) - 0.74
Pogba (17/18) - 0.67
Scholes (98/99) - 0.63
But we're talking about at their best. Like what are you including in that.
Surely coming second in ballon d'or is up there.
Are we talking seasons, games, period of seasons?
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 20 minutes ago
Ranked by their best seasons in terms of PL non penalty goals + assists per 90 (minimum 2000 minutes)
Fabregas (09/10) - 1.03
De Bruyne (19/20) - 1.00
Mata (12/13) - 0.76
Silva (17/18) - 0.74
Lampard (09/10) -0.73
Gerrard (08/09) -0.72
Yaya (13/14) -0.71
Pogba (17/18) - 0.67
Scholes (98/99) - 0.63
Not including the defensive midfielders
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why non penalty? what have we got with everything included?
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Fabregas (09/10) - 1.15
De Bruyne (19/20) - 1.06
Lampard (09/10) - 1.01
Yaya (13/14) - 0.89
Gerrard (08/09) - 0.86
Mata (12/13) - 0.76
Silva (17/18) - 0.74
Pogba (17/18) - 0.67
Scholes (98/99) - 0.63
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Could very much be fabregas then chris!
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 2 minutes ago
But we're talking about at their best. Like what are you including in that.
Surely coming second in ballon d'or is up there.
Are we talking seasons, games, period of seasons?
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I'm not applying a criteria, I'm just using my eyes.
It's subjective and not suitable for ranking but I don't like using criteria to do things like this... I like watching football drawing an opinion on it.
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 37 minutes ago
Anyone who doesn’t have Keane at the top is an ABU wum troll
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Anyone who puts Keane above Scholes didn’t watch enough United games.
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 37 minutes ago
Anyone who doesn’t have Keane at the top is an ABU wum troll
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Anyone who puts Keane above Scholes didn’t watch enough United games.
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Anyone who had a heart
Would take me in his arms and love me, too
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comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 51 seconds ago
As United and Liverpool fans have told us over the years the best criteria for judging a player is how many quotes they can find of other players praising them
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gabriel jesus will then win by a landslide
Anyone who puts Keane above Scholes didn’t watch enough United games.
....
I would never rank them against each other really. Two different types of player.
Keane for me over scholes every day of the week.
scholes was a more gifted player, but Keane brought far more to the team.... says a lot when you can say the guy left the club 15 years ago and has never really been replaced
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posted on 17/11/20
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 11 seconds ago
Gazza could have been a great. Most on this list have had better careers, I suppose.
You do wonder what would have happened if he had gone to Utd
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Yeh, I watched a documentary about recently and hadn't realised how close that had come to happening.
I asked the question because I think there's an argument to say that he's the most talented midfielder England have ever had and I'd be tempted to rank him right at the top.
But then again, with injuries and other factors, his career perhaps didn't reach the heights it could have, so maybe you can't rank him above those on the list who have won trophy after trophy.
posted on 17/11/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 11 minutes ago
Out of interest, where are people putting Gazza on this list?
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in the pub
posted on 17/11/20
Ranked by their best seasons in terms of PL non penalty goals + assists per 90 (minimum 2000 minutes)
Fabregas (09/10) - 1.03
De Bruyne (19/20) - 1.00
Mata (12/13) - 0.76
Silva (17/18) - 0.74
Lampard (09/10) -0.73
Gerrard (08/09) -0.72
Yaya (13/14) -0.71
Pogba (17/18) - 0.67
Scholes (98/99) - 0.63
Not including the defensive midfielders
posted on 17/11/20
Anyone who doesn’t have Keane at the top is an ABU wum troll
posted on 17/11/20
Some fantastic talents on the list, whatever way you slice it.
When you look at the list, it feels like we're in a bit of a lull for central midfielders currently. Maybe it's the way teams play.
posted on 17/11/20
You can never say who's the best, so it comes down to what type of player you like and probably who you support.
Only thing I'd say is that Pogba has no place being compared to this lot
Paul Scholes
Steven Gerrard
Roy Keane
David Silva
Patrick Viera
Yaya Toure
Frank Lampard
Kevin De Bruyne
Michael Essien
Claude Makelele
Ngolo Kante
Cesc Fabregas
Juan Mata
<insert a lot of spaces here>
Paul Pogba
posted on 17/11/20
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 6 minutes ago
Anyone who doesn’t have Keane at the top is an ABU wum troll
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Yes Keane was immense for a number of years. A top five IMO but like others have said, there are different types of player in the same position.
posted on 17/11/20
comment by SaintsRow (U18359)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
Lampard 2nd
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arguably the most big game player in the list. Scored in important games all the time, finals,semi finals, the article also says at their best.
Lampard followed by toure have the two best seasons out of all them players.
Lampard also 2nd in ballon dor.
So at his best it has to be lampard. If we are talking aoverall, thats a different conversation
posted on 17/11/20
Wahl is a poor mans sandy
posted on 17/11/20
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by SaintsRow (U18359)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
Lampard 2nd
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arguably the most big game player in the list. Scored in important games all the time, finals,semi finals, the article also says at their best.
Lampard followed by toure have the two best seasons out of all them players.
Lampard also 2nd in ballon dor.
So at his best it has to be lampard. If we are talking aoverall, thats a different conversation
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don't take this as a dig, but I love it when people invent their own criteria, apply it and then hey presto, it spits out the answer they want.
You have every right to your opinion but let's not pretend that is the only way for us to arrive at our answer
posted on 17/11/20
A good conversation to be had over a 5 year stretch.
In terms of at their best which i guess can mean their best season.
I'd have lampard. 2nd in ballon d'or behind ronaldinho.
yaya toure - unreal numbers in one of his seasons.
KDB - current poty, was unreal last season.
If we are talking 5 year stretch or so im not sure who would be top, maybe keane, vieira etc stand a chance
posted on 17/11/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by SaintsRow (U18359)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
Lampard 2nd
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arguably the most big game player in the list. Scored in important games all the time, finals,semi finals, the article also says at their best.
Lampard followed by toure have the two best seasons out of all them players.
Lampard also 2nd in ballon dor.
So at his best it has to be lampard. If we are talking aoverall, thats a different conversation
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don't take this as a dig, but I love it when people invent their own criteria, apply it and then hey presto, it spits out the answer they want.
You have every right to your opinion but let's not pretend that is the only way for us to arrive at our answer
----------------------------------------------------------------------
More than willing to accept any other criteria, hence my second comment. If only you'd have waited ay .
What is considered as at their best? Their prime? their best seasons?who won most.
For example drogba at his best was the best striker in the league (finals etc) but if we are talking at their best over a season, then henry has it hands down (20 goals and assists)
posted on 17/11/20
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 20 minutes ago
Ranked by their best seasons in terms of PL non penalty goals + assists per 90 (minimum 2000 minutes)
Fabregas (09/10) - 1.03
De Bruyne (19/20) - 1.00
Mata (12/13) - 0.76
Silva (17/18) - 0.74
Lampard (09/10) -0.73
Gerrard (08/09) -0.72
Yaya (13/14) -0.71
Pogba (17/18) - 0.67
Scholes (98/99) - 0.63
Not including the defensive midfielders
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why non penalty? what have we got with everything included?
posted on 17/11/20
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by SaintsRow (U18359)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
Lampard 2nd
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arguably the most big game player in the list. Scored in important games all the time, finals,semi finals, the article also says at their best.
Lampard followed by toure have the two best seasons out of all them players.
Lampard also 2nd in ballon dor.
So at his best it has to be lampard. If we are talking aoverall, thats a different conversation
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don't take this as a dig, but I love it when people invent their own criteria, apply it and then hey presto, it spits out the answer they want.
You have every right to your opinion but let's not pretend that is the only way for us to arrive at our answer
----------------------------------------------------------------------
More than willing to accept any other criteria, hence my second comment. If only you'd have waited ay.
What is considered as at their best? Their prime? their best seasons?who won most.
For example drogba at his best was the best striker in the league (finals etc) but if we are talking at their best over a season, then henry has it hands down (20 goals and assists)
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But it's all opinion, there's no right and wrong. I'd take Cantona over both of them, but that's me.
posted on 17/11/20
Nickasaurus (U9257)
No right or wrong is there mate, and we'll all be biased to our own players - particularly if you go to games.
I have sat there and watched Keane & Scholes absolutely dominate the league in a two man central midfield, laying the platform for Beckham, Giggs and whichever striking combination to deliver the goods.
Hard for me to see past those players.
posted on 17/11/20
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 20 minutes ago
Ranked by their best seasons in terms of PL non penalty goals + assists per 90 (minimum 2000 minutes)
Fabregas (09/10) - 1.03
De Bruyne (19/20) - 1.00
Mata (12/13) - 0.76
Silva (17/18) - 0.74
Lampard (09/10) -0.73
Gerrard (08/09) -0.72
Yaya (13/14) -0.71
Pogba (17/18) - 0.67
Scholes (98/99) - 0.63
Not including the defensive midfielders
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why non penalty? what have we got with everything included?
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Fabregas (09/10) - 1.15
De Bruyne (19/20) - 1.06
Lampard (09/10) - 1.01
Yaya (13/14) - 0.89
Gerrard (08/09) - 0.86
Mata (12/13) - 0.76
Silva (17/18) - 0.74
Pogba (17/18) - 0.67
Scholes (98/99) - 0.63
posted on 17/11/20
But we're talking about at their best. Like what are you including in that.
Surely coming second in ballon d'or is up there.
Are we talking seasons, games, period of seasons?
posted on 17/11/20
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 20 minutes ago
Ranked by their best seasons in terms of PL non penalty goals + assists per 90 (minimum 2000 minutes)
Fabregas (09/10) - 1.03
De Bruyne (19/20) - 1.00
Mata (12/13) - 0.76
Silva (17/18) - 0.74
Lampard (09/10) -0.73
Gerrard (08/09) -0.72
Yaya (13/14) -0.71
Pogba (17/18) - 0.67
Scholes (98/99) - 0.63
Not including the defensive midfielders
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why non penalty? what have we got with everything included?
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Fabregas (09/10) - 1.15
De Bruyne (19/20) - 1.06
Lampard (09/10) - 1.01
Yaya (13/14) - 0.89
Gerrard (08/09) - 0.86
Mata (12/13) - 0.76
Silva (17/18) - 0.74
Pogba (17/18) - 0.67
Scholes (98/99) - 0.63
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Could very much be fabregas then chris!
posted on 17/11/20
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 2 minutes ago
But we're talking about at their best. Like what are you including in that.
Surely coming second in ballon d'or is up there.
Are we talking seasons, games, period of seasons?
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I'm not applying a criteria, I'm just using my eyes.
It's subjective and not suitable for ranking but I don't like using criteria to do things like this... I like watching football drawing an opinion on it.
posted on 17/11/20
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 37 minutes ago
Anyone who doesn’t have Keane at the top is an ABU wum troll
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Anyone who puts Keane above Scholes didn’t watch enough United games.
posted on 17/11/20
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 37 minutes ago
Anyone who doesn’t have Keane at the top is an ABU wum troll
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Anyone who puts Keane above Scholes didn’t watch enough United games.
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Anyone who had a heart
Would take me in his arms and love me, too
posted on 17/11/20
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 17/11/20
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 51 seconds ago
As United and Liverpool fans have told us over the years the best criteria for judging a player is how many quotes they can find of other players praising them
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gabriel jesus will then win by a landslide
posted on 17/11/20
Anyone who puts Keane above Scholes didn’t watch enough United games.
....
I would never rank them against each other really. Two different types of player.
posted on 17/11/20
Keane for me over scholes every day of the week.
scholes was a more gifted player, but Keane brought far more to the team.... says a lot when you can say the guy left the club 15 years ago and has never really been replaced
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