Its valid early on in your govt though

As far as economy goes theres usually a time lag of at least 6 months before any macro policy has a noticeable effect

NHS its down to your trust too how well it operates

Unwinding the trust system would take years if they wanted to

this cuts both ways too of course

when they celebrate economic figures atm its hard to see how its anything resulting from their decisions

NHS by most metrics has had a marked improvement since the idiots who voted Brexit/conservative underfunding tried their best to ruin it

comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 18 minutes ago
NHS by most metrics has had a marked improvement since the idiots who voted Brexit/conservative underfunding tried their best to ruin it
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But at the same time, as a nation we support a country which bombs children in hospitals.

comment by Waiting for Franko - He don't look at no ... (U23088)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 18 minutes ago
NHS by most metrics has had a marked improvement since the idiots who voted Brexit/conservative underfunding tried their best to ruin it
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But at the same time, as a nation we support a country which bombs children in hospitals.
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I don’t think the tories would be any different, but yes it’s beyond disgraceful. Morally bankrupt as society to get, pure evil.

Tommy Fleetwood 💀

comment by Waiting for Franko - He don't look at no walls when he's talkin (U23088)
posted 11 hours, 18 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 18 minutes ago
NHS by most metrics has had a marked improvement since the idiots who voted Brexit/conservative underfunding tried their best to ruin it
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But at the same time, as a nation we support a country which bombs children in hospitals.
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Which children bombing nation are "we" as a nation supporting? Cos I don't support kiddie bombers and don't know anyone who does.

with all this cricket, ruggers and golf to enjoy you realise how overrated football is and how you get trapped by cult following a club

Thought Sizzle's article was about Levy again.

rather it was

comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 12 hours, 7 minutes ago
NHS by most metrics has had a marked improvement since the idiots who voted Brexit/conservative underfunding tried their best to ruin it
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Maybe by the data but not in real life.

Still 6 weeks plus for an appointment and you’d be very lucky to get a dentist appointment as I said I’ve had to go private for that so paying twice.

comment by Hengy - The Game Is About League Position (U9129)
posted 4 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 12 hours, 7 minutes ago
NHS by most metrics has had a marked improvement since the idiots who voted Brexit/conservative underfunding tried their best to ruin it
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Maybe by the data but not in real life.

Still 6 weeks plus for an appointment and you’d be very lucky to get a dentist appointment as I said I’ve had to go private for that so paying twice.
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I don’t think the MK experience is representative of the rest of the country. From my personal experience being in the U.K. last few weeks both Aberdeen and Edinburgh been great experiences.

Ultimately there will always be a lag from what there was in the NHS. Brexit has done irreversible damage, as has a decade of tory underinvestment and COVID. Even the best leader imaginable won’t manage to get it back to what it was

comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hengy - The Game Is About League Position (U9129)
posted 4 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 12 hours, 7 minutes ago
NHS by most metrics has had a marked improvement since the idiots who voted Brexit/conservative underfunding tried their best to ruin it
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Maybe by the data but not in real life.

Still 6 weeks plus for an appointment and you’d be very lucky to get a dentist appointment as I said I’ve had to go private for that so paying twice.
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I don’t think the MK experience is representative of the rest of the country. From my personal experience being in the U.K. last few weeks both Aberdeen and Edinburgh been great experiences.

Ultimately there will always be a lag from what there was in the NHS. Brexit has done irreversible damage, as has a decade of tory underinvestment and COVID. Even the best leader imaginable won’t manage to get it back to what it was
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All this blame this blame that doesn’t wash with me.

It was in a hole pre brexit and conservative hence why they got in to power for so long.

Yeah they were shiet but no worse than what we are seeing now.
Paying record high taxes for services we can’t get access too while blowing record high numbers on things we shouldn’t be.

Honestly just losing all faith in this country as you can probably tell.

I don’t know how the next generation will be able to afford anything the way things are going.

My boy trying to move out but to buy or rent the prices are crazy you’d need to be earning 50k plus nowadays at a young age.

On starmer ( & yes I voted him in ) just hasn’t a clue. Just seems happy to be in power and will do anything ( mainly u turns ) to stay there and the cabinet around him might be the worst going.

I fear if he doesn’t sort himself out then Farage will be in power sooner rather than later and then will be facked.

That isn’t true really though, look at our performance in 2013 for example https://images.app.goo.gl/6vf7df64KEjT7YCu9

Years of no pay increases, plus our workforce not being able as globally available has taken a massive toll. It also wasn’t why those things got into power but that’s a different rabbit hole.

I don’t disagree with Starmer though, he appeared to stand for something when he was campaigning yet appears to care more about not creating any meaningful change and keep his reputation (on the whole). Farage’s momentum is very worrying but as another on this forum pointed out, the length of time until the next election will likely damage his party as the local government continues to embarrass itself with scandals

Not a comment on party politics but being in the South recently I was shock at the prices in bars and restaurants. Small town England was more expensive to go out and eat/drink than Rome and Paris.. even groceries that was previously much cheaper than here in Western Canada.

I wouldn't consider moving back now, especially with the Farage lot gaining momentum.

rip off Britain

had myself being happy with £6 a pint at the food festival i went to on Friday

It's easy to handwave or underestimate how badly the Tories facked the economy though, and just how impossible a job it is to fix it, let alone quickly

COVID fraud write offs, dodgy PPE contracts etc plus the Rwanda scheme, HS2 and so on supposedly totals about £100bn spent on essentially nothing. And supposedly Brexit has cost the UK about that amount every year, so that's another ~£900bn that has been chucked in the bin with nothing to replace it.

The Tories effectively drove a bulldozer through a house and then left this Govt with a handful of Lego bricks to rebuild it. I don't disagree that the public-facing stuff has largely been somewhere between tepid and abysmal, but it is literally an impossible job to build the economy back to anything recognisably close to its pre-financial crash state with the available resources.

The country is genuinely a bit facked in its current form, because the hole the Tories punched in it is simply too big to patch. The whole thing needs replacing with a new system. I don't know how that happens, but expecting it within 6 months of coming into power is not realistic.

Just for context, the cost of Brexit in real terms is about £2k on average per person per year. As in, every person on average is about £2k a year poorer as a result of Brexit. That's why everything feels terrible. That said, at the rate the Tories were tunnelling public funds into their vested interests, I think it'd feel even worse if they'd continued

I dunno where you went shopping Bales but the grocery prices i found in Hampshire area where still way cheaper than BC. Especially like meat and eggs etc

turned into the politics thread ffs cant believe i let this happen under my watch

comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted 2 minutes ago
I dunno where you went shopping Bales but the grocery prices i found in Hampshire area where still way cheaper than BC. Especially like meat and eggs etc
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didnt know groceries were so dear before christ

comment by Hengy - The Game Is About League Position (U9129)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hengy - The Game Is About League Position (U9129)
posted 4 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 12 hours, 7 minutes ago
NHS by most metrics has had a marked improvement since the idiots who voted Brexit/conservative underfunding tried their best to ruin it
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Maybe by the data but not in real life.

Still 6 weeks plus for an appointment and you’d be very lucky to get a dentist appointment as I said I’ve had to go private for that so paying twice.
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I don’t think the MK experience is representative of the rest of the country. From my personal experience being in the U.K. last few weeks both Aberdeen and Edinburgh been great experiences.

Ultimately there will always be a lag from what there was in the NHS. Brexit has done irreversible damage, as has a decade of tory underinvestment and COVID. Even the best leader imaginable won’t manage to get it back to what it was
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All this blame this blame that doesn’t wash with me.

It was in a hole pre brexit and conservative hence why they got in to power for so long.

Yeah they were shiet but no worse than what we are seeing now.
Paying record high taxes for services we can’t get access too while blowing record high numbers on things we shouldn’t be.

Honestly just losing all faith in this country as you can probably tell.

I don’t know how the next generation will be able to afford anything the way things are going.

My boy trying to move out but to buy or rent the prices are crazy you’d need to be earning 50k plus nowadays at a young age.

On starmer ( & yes I voted him in) just hasn’t a clue. Just seems happy to be in power and will do anything ( mainly u turns ) to stay there and the cabinet around him might be the worst going.

I fear if he doesn’t sort himself out then Farage will be in power sooner rather than later and then will be facked.
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Honestly this kinda short term thinking and thinking stuff like doing u-turns (or reevaluating when new evidence comes to light, as some might see it) as hugely awful leadership feels like a big part of why the country is in the state it's in, because people who think like this can be manipulated easily into voting against their own interests

comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted 9 minutes ago
I dunno where you went shopping Bales but the grocery prices i found in Hampshire area where still way cheaper than BC. Especially like meat and eggs etc
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I found it was still cheaper and I spent most of my time in Hampshire and London, but not by the long shot it used to be - at the supermarkets this is.

Everything else was shockingly expensive - eating out, pints, casual shopping, trains (outside of London). Couldn't believe it.

comment by T-BAD (U11806)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted 9 minutes ago
I dunno where you went shopping Bales but the grocery prices i found in Hampshire area where still way cheaper than BC. Especially like meat and eggs etc
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I found it was still cheaper and I spent most of my time in Hampshire and London, but not by the long shot it used to be - at the supermarkets this is.

Everything else was shockingly expensive - eating out, pints, casual shopping, trains (outside of London). Couldn't believe it.
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Ther was significant inflation in Van while i was there too. I think the price of 500g chicken in No Frills for example was like $6 when i arrived and was $9 when i left