posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
If you want to retrieve accurate stats on housing in the UK see the link below which was compiled by the Office For National Statistics based on the 2021 Census.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/housing/bulletins/housingenglandandwales/census2021#main-points
Now, I warn some of you, these stats were NOT blown out of Donald Trump's or Farage's ass holes, so you may not believe them, and chose to ignore them, but for normal, sensible, educated people in the UK, this is as good as it gets.
NB with rental accommodation when they classify a dwelling as a rented accommodation it does not equate to just one person solely living in it. Also these stats are just for England and Wales. Not Scotland and NI so bear that in mind.
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Very aware of these stats
And not denying that we have a housing crisis which manifests it self through the entire owner occupied and rental markets.
I just disagree that "10s of millions" of people are are in a rental crisis....unless you take the view that everyone in rented is in crisis, and i don't agree with that statement and think anyone would find it difficult to support factually.
My overriding point is that if people are going to accuse the "other side" of misrepresenting information to drum up their support, on an unsound basis, it seems somewhat daft to act in the same way.
Someone accusing people of being conned by misrepresentation of facts and/or lies but also dealing in the same approach I was just highlighting the hypocrisy of that.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
I just disagree that "10s of millions" of people are are in a rental crisis....unless you take the view that everyone in rented is in crisis, and i don't agree with that statement and think anyone would find it difficult to support factually.
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No. You disagree with the estimated total of the number of people living in rented accommodation.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by No Løve - Play stoopid games win stoopi... (U1282)
posted 11 minutes ago
Devon tries very hard and thinks he has a clever way of defending the right wing bigotry by claiming that their opponents are as bad as themselves. Nice try
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Where am i defending right wing bigotry?
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You posted a nonsense quote from a shadily funded RW think tank, heralded by the Torygraph as one of the most influential in the country, just the other day
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In quoting that source, i used the MET stats which they reference and their view that there was a knife crime "epidemic" in London. When challenged i agreed that epidemic is probably too strong, and a subjective judgement. Perhaps crisis would have been a more considered description. But the stats were right and properly sourced.
I am not sure how that is me defending bigotry. But please do explain
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
Spin, Spin, Sugar
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
Rents and house prices are far too high.
No one really gains from this other than banks and I don't believe property should be bought as an investment. It should simply be somewhere to live in. That shouldn't be a luxury, it should be a human right.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
I just disagree that "10s of millions" of people are are in a rental crisis....unless you take the view that everyone in rented is in crisis, and i don't agree with that statement and think anyone would find it difficult to support factually.
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No. You disagree with the estimated total of the number of people living in rented accommodation.
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I have questioned the source of the 19.1m claim, indeed, especially as it referenced the census, which doesn't gather that detail.
But i have challenged the veracity of the claim that 10s of millions are in a renting crisis.
You can go back and read everything i wrote if you like, not the selective effort youve made so far.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 An... (U2462)
posted 53 seconds ago
Rents and house prices are far too high.
No one really gains from this other than banks and I don't believe property should be bought as an investment. It should simply be somewhere to live in. That shouldn't be a luxury, it should be a human right.
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The problem there is that is no one has a second home, who do the renters rent from?
IN a discussion on another thread, people were debating the possibility that capital gains tax will be applied to peoples primary home. Some were of the view that all home ownership was an investment choice. I dont think thats right for the majority of people but the vast majority 2nd+ homeowners it will absolutely be that.
So long as its taxed appropriately I do not think it is so harmful. Empty properties should be taxed harder IMO. If someone can afford to hold a property and not have to rent it out, that really is a level of wealth that goes beyond a more conventional investment choice. Its more a means of parking wealth outwith the tax system, and that really is a luxury that few can take advantage of.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 An... (U2462)
posted 53 seconds ago
Rents and house prices are far too high.
No one really gains from this other than banks and I don't believe property should be bought as an investment. It should simply be somewhere to live in. That shouldn't be a luxury, it should be a human right.
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The problem there is that is no one has a second home, who do the renters rent from?
IN a discussion on another thread, people were debating the possibility that capital gains tax will be applied to peoples primary home. Some were of the view that all home ownership was an investment choice. I dont think thats right for the majority of people but the vast majority 2nd+ homeowners it will absolutely be that.
So long as its taxed appropriately I do not think it is so harmful. Empty properties should be taxed harder IMO. If someone can afford to hold a property and not have to rent it out, that really is a level of wealth that goes beyond a more conventional investment choice. Its more a means of parking wealth outwith the tax system, and that really is a luxury that few can take advantage of.
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An empty second home helps no one. A second home rented out is preferable, IMO, to an empty home or holiday let.
The issue is some landlords are far too greedy. I will admit here to owning a second home but that's only because I couldn't see it when I moved to I decided to rent it out. I kept the rent the same for eight years (£450pcm) until the tenant moved out this month as I didn't want to be a hypocrite and profiteer. I'll also look to sell it to a local first time buyer if I can too. I've not made a fortune on it at all but I won't have lost on it either if I can get £20k less than I paid in 2008. I realise not everyone will feel the same.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
Fundamentally its a case of demand and supply and there aint enough housing in teh system to meet demand. While 2nd homes do contribute to that, if people were forced to sell, or made so uneconomical to continue to hold as an investment, then that would add supply to the owner market but wipe out the renting market. There are a large number of people who want to rent, or who will always have to rent and a scarcity of properties would only drive rents higher.
Whether house prices then become more affordable to more who currently rent, who knows. I haven't seen any studies looking at this. But my sense is that it would impact those least able to afford, those less likely to ever buy, the most.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by No Løve - Play stoopid games win stoopi... (U1282)
posted 11 minutes ago
Devon tries very hard and thinks he has a clever way of defending the right wing bigotry by claiming that their opponents are as bad as themselves. Nice try
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Where am i defending right wing bigotry?
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The whole thread. If you are so centrist why do you never get into arguments or debates with right wingers when they seem to exhibit these behaviours you complain about more often?
It's clear your angle to advance the cause is to attack "lefties". If you were centrist you'd have an issue with both sides. Show me one debate or argument you ever had with a right wing anti immigration genius on here. You clearly don't have a problem with those blokes, which speaks volumes.
Sometimes comments are made on here that demonstrate that it's not just immigration that some people have an issue with and I've never seen you take issue with those because those are your people, and so your modus in advancing this agenda is to "expose" the "lefties".
What's funny is that you think people can't see through your little act
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 An... (U2462)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 An... (U2462)
posted 53 seconds ago
Rents and house prices are far too high.
No one really gains from this other than banks and I don't believe property should be bought as an investment. It should simply be somewhere to live in. That shouldn't be a luxury, it should be a human right.
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The problem there is that is no one has a second home, who do the renters rent from?
IN a discussion on another thread, people were debating the possibility that capital gains tax will be applied to peoples primary home. Some were of the view that all home ownership was an investment choice. I dont think thats right for the majority of people but the vast majority 2nd+ homeowners it will absolutely be that.
So long as its taxed appropriately I do not think it is so harmful. Empty properties should be taxed harder IMO. If someone can afford to hold a property and not have to rent it out, that really is a level of wealth that goes beyond a more conventional investment choice. Its more a means of parking wealth outwith the tax system, and that really is a luxury that few can take advantage of.
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An empty second home helps no one. A second home rented out is preferable, IMO, to an empty home or holiday let.
The issue is some landlords are far too greedy. I will admit here to owning a second home but that's only because I couldn't see it when I moved to I decided to rent it out. I kept the rent the same for eight years (£450pcm) until the tenant moved out this month as I didn't want to be a hypocrite and profiteer. I'll also look to sell it to a local first time buyer if I can too. I've not made a fortune on it at all but I won't have lost on it either if I can get £20k less than I paid in 2008. I realise not everyone will feel the same.
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Nice one. Very fair and i know people of similar mind. My sister 'gained' a spare house when she married.
They rent, at a fair rent, and it pays the mortgage. Ultimately she wants to give the benefit of that to her kids (whether directly or selling and helping to fund their Uni/house buy/ whatever) and i dont think thre is anything wrong in that. She'll be hit by CGT when she sells, the rent is deemed as income, so taxed. I think this Govt may add NI onto such income and while that may add to inflation on rent levels, i think the principle is right, its an income and should be taxed accordingly.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 minutes ago
Fundamentally its a case of demand and supply and there aint enough housing in teh system to meet demand
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Just look at that. A matter of life and death for many, or at least an acute matter of existentialism described as a matter of demand and supply.
3rd world countries have been forced to take in millions of refugees and asylum seekers in a world of troubles and they don't half moan about it like you, and some rich punks in the west, which is running most of the wars and economic sabotages that send people fleeing their countries, see it as a matter of supply and demand of housing. You couldn't make it up. So out of touch with reality and living in a bubble.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by No Løve - Play stoopid games win stoopi... (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by No Løve - Play stoopid games win stoopi... (U1282)
posted 11 minutes ago
Devon tries very hard and thinks he has a clever way of defending the right wing bigotry by claiming that their opponents are as bad as themselves. Nice try
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Where am i defending right wing bigotry?
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The whole thread. If you are so centrist why do you never get into arguments or debates with right wingers when they seem to exhibit these behaviours you complain about more often?
It's clear your angle to advance the cause is to attack "lefties". If you were centrist you'd have an issue with both sides. Show me one debate or argument you ever had with a right wing anti immigration genius on here. You clearly don't have a problem with those blokes, which speaks volumes.
Sometimes comments are made on here that demonstrate that it's not just immigration that some people have an issue with and I've never seen you take issue with those because those are your people, and so your modus in advancing this agenda is to "expose" the "lefties".
What's funny is that you think people can't see through your little act
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I take you point
But i have also said that the way the RW/Farage etc act is dishonest and misleading and some lap that up too willingly or without question.
I think my responses a lot of the time is challenging the, strong implication, and often the direct claim that as i am right of their view I am a racist, and then you get the likes of Hoody taking that to Naazi comparisons. It's not something I will take lying down because its insulting.
I have said over and over it is not helpful to generalise and reach such simple judgements and that goes for Reform spinning facts reaching to dishonest conclusions, or Gary Neville classing a massive group of men as the same thing, all driving division.
Both ends of the argument are bollox. But because i am being labelled as one end, despite not holding or expressing anything near extreme views, I push back.
Basically i am defending myself more than anyone else. If people want to engage with me by calling me a racist or bigot or naazi, then what do you expect?
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by No Løve - Play stoopid games win stoopi... (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 minutes ago
Fundamentally its a case of demand and supply and there aint enough housing in teh system to meet demand
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Just look at that. A matter of life and death for many, or at least an acute matter of existentialism described as a matter of demand and supply.
3rd world countries have been forced to take in millions of refugees and asylum seekers in a world of troubles and they don't half moan about it like you, and some rich punks in the west, which is running most of the wars and economic sabotages that send people fleeing their countries, see it as a matter of supply and demand of housing. You couldn't make it up. So out of touch with reality and living in a bubble.
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How is your response related to our discussion on the renting / housing crisis.
We're not even talking about immigration. Hoody raised this as an issue he considered to be of greater priority than immigration, and some chat about it followed.
Your rant is misplaced.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 Andrei Kanchelskis is a right winger I like. Tommy Robinson isn't. (U2462)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 An... (U2462)
posted 53 seconds ago
Rents and house prices are far too high.
No one really gains from this other than banks and I don't believe property should be bought as an investment. It should simply be somewhere to live in. That shouldn't be a luxury, it should be a human right.
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The problem there is that is no one has a second home, who do the renters rent from?
IN a discussion on another thread, people were debating the possibility that capital gains tax will be applied to peoples primary home. Some were of the view that all home ownership was an investment choice. I dont think thats right for the majority of people but the vast majority 2nd+ homeowners it will absolutely be that.
So long as its taxed appropriately I do not think it is so harmful. Empty properties should be taxed harder IMO. If someone can afford to hold a property and not have to rent it out, that really is a level of wealth that goes beyond a more conventional investment choice. Its more a means of parking wealth outwith the tax system, and that really is a luxury that few can take advantage of.
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An empty second home helps no one. A second home rented out is preferable, IMO, to an empty home or holiday let.
The issue is some landlords are far too greedy. I will admit here to owning a second home but that's only because I couldn't see it when I moved to I decided to rent it out. I kept the rent the same for eight years (£450pcm) until the tenant moved out this month as I didn't want to be a hypocrite and profiteer. I'll also look to sell it to a local first time buyer if I can too. I've not made a fortune on it at all but I won't have lost on it either if I can get £20k less than I paid in 2008. I realise not everyone will feel the same.
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Out of interest, how will you only get £20k less for a property you’re selling which you purchased in 2008?
Surely it would have gone up significantly in value in that time?
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 Andrei Kanchelskis is a right winger I like. Tommy Robinson isn't. (U2462)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 An... (U2462)
posted 53 seconds ago
Rents and house prices are far too high.
No one really gains from this other than banks and I don't believe property should be bought as an investment. It should simply be somewhere to live in. That shouldn't be a luxury, it should be a human right.
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The problem there is that is no one has a second home, who do the renters rent from?
IN a discussion on another thread, people were debating the possibility that capital gains tax will be applied to peoples primary home. Some were of the view that all home ownership was an investment choice. I dont think thats right for the majority of people but the vast majority 2nd+ homeowners it will absolutely be that.
So long as its taxed appropriately I do not think it is so harmful. Empty properties should be taxed harder IMO. If someone can afford to hold a property and not have to rent it out, that really is a level of wealth that goes beyond a more conventional investment choice. Its more a means of parking wealth outwith the tax system, and that really is a luxury that few can take advantage of.
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An empty second home helps no one. A second home rented out is preferable, IMO, to an empty home or holiday let.
The issue is some landlords are far too greedy. I will admit here to owning a second home but that's only because I couldn't see it when I moved to I decided to rent it out. I kept the rent the same for eight years (£450pcm) until the tenant moved out this month as I didn't want to be a hypocrite and profiteer. I'll also look to sell it to a local first time buyer if I can too. I've not made a fortune on it at all but I won't have lost on it either if I can get £20k less than I paid in 2008. I realise not everyone will feel the same.
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Out of interest, how will you only get £20k less for a property you’re selling which you purchased in 2008?
Surely it would have gone up significantly in value in that time?
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I bought it at pretty much the wrong time in 2008 and the county I'm now in has imposed an Article 4 direction and Council Tax premiums which has meant house prices falling. A directive I'm fully behind too.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
comment by No Løve - Play stoopid games win stoopi... (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by No Løve - Play stoopid games win stoopi... (U1282)
posted 11 minutes ago
Devon tries very hard and thinks he has a clever way of defending the right wing bigotry by claiming that their opponents are as bad as themselves. Nice try
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Where am i defending right wing bigotry?
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The whole thread. If you are so centrist why do you never get into arguments or debates with right wingers when they seem to exhibit these behaviours you complain about more often?
It's clear your angle to advance the cause is to attack "lefties". If you were centrist you'd have an issue with both sides. Show me one debate or argument you ever had with a right wing anti immigration genius on here. You clearly don't have a problem with those blokes, which speaks volumes.
Sometimes comments are made on here that demonstrate that it's not just immigration that some people have an issue with and I've never seen you take issue with those because those are your people, and so your modus in advancing this agenda is to "expose" the "lefties".
What's funny is that you think people can't see through your little act
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I take you point
But i have also said that the way the RW/Farage etc act is dishonest and misleading and some lap that up too willingly or without question.
I think my responses a lot of the time is challenging the, strong implication, and often the direct claim that as i am right of their view I am a racist, and then you get the likes of Hoody taking that to Naazi comparisons. It's not something I will take lying down because its insulting.
I have said over and over it is not helpful to generalise and reach such simple judgements and that goes for Reform spinning facts reaching to dishonest conclusions, or Gary Neville classing a massive group of men as the same thing, all driving division.
Both ends of the argument are bollox. But because i am being labelled as one end, despite not holding or expressing anything near extreme views, I push back.
Basically i am defending myself more than anyone else. If people want to engage with me by calling me a racist or bigot or naazi, then what do you expect?
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What do you expect people to say if that's what they think of your views?
You can't tell people what to think or dictate how you should be addressed. If you have a problem with people expressing their views then perhaps you shouldn't engage.
Nobody is buying this "both sides are bollox" tripe. Actions speak louder than words and people are free to make their conclusions. If you ask me you are a hard core right winger. I know you say you aren't but your expressed views over the years confirm otherwise.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
Both ends of the argument arent bolux are they. Racism, xenophobia, unprovoked violence (kick the chite out of him cos hes a darkie FFS) tyranny, exclusion, fear, terror etc etc that you peddle is bolux.The otherside of peace, unity, diversity, inclusion, tollerance, respect, etc, you know all the wokey snowflake stuff thst you laugh at, is positive. And you know it.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 17 minutes ago
Both ends of the argument arent bolux are they. Racism, xenophobia, unprovoked violence (kick the chite out of him cos hes a darkie FFS) tyranny, exclusion, fear, terror etc etc that you peddle is bolux.The otherside of peace, unity, diversity, inclusion, tollerance, respect, etc, you know all the wokey snowflake stuff thst you laugh at, is positive. And you know it.
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Exactly. Their side is in the toilet and the only thing they can do is try to drag the other side down to their level instead of improving themselves.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by No Løve - Play stoopid games win stoopi... (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
comment by No Løve - Play stoopid games win stoopi... (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by No Løve - Play stoopid games win stoopi... (U1282)
posted 11 minutes ago
Devon tries very hard and thinks he has a clever way of defending the right wing bigotry by claiming that their opponents are as bad as themselves. Nice try
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Where am i defending right wing bigotry?
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The whole thread. If you are so centrist why do you never get into arguments or debates with right wingers when they seem to exhibit these behaviours you complain about more often?
It's clear your angle to advance the cause is to attack "lefties". If you were centrist you'd have an issue with both sides. Show me one debate or argument you ever had with a right wing anti immigration genius on here. You clearly don't have a problem with those blokes, which speaks volumes.
Sometimes comments are made on here that demonstrate that it's not just immigration that some people have an issue with and I've never seen you take issue with those because those are your people, and so your modus in advancing this agenda is to "expose" the "lefties".
What's funny is that you think people can't see through your little act
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I take you point
But i have also said that the way the RW/Farage etc act is dishonest and misleading and some lap that up too willingly or without question.
I think my responses a lot of the time is challenging the, strong implication, and often the direct claim that as i am right of their view I am a racist, and then you get the likes of Hoody taking that to Naazi comparisons. It's not something I will take lying down because its insulting.
I have said over and over it is not helpful to generalise and reach such simple judgements and that goes for Reform spinning facts reaching to dishonest conclusions, or Gary Neville classing a massive group of men as the same thing, all driving division.
Both ends of the argument are bollox. But because i am being labelled as one end, despite not holding or expressing anything near extreme views, I push back.
Basically i am defending myself more than anyone else. If people want to engage with me by calling me a racist or bigot or naazi, then what do you expect?
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What do you expect people to say if that's what they think of your views?
You can't tell people what to think or dictate how you should be addressed. If you have a problem with people expressing their views then perhaps you shouldn't engage.
Nobody is buying this "both sides are bollox" tripe. Actions speak louder than words and people are free to make their conclusions. If you ask me you are a hard core right winger. I know you say you aren't but your expressed views over the years confirm otherwise.
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What views....please explain to me what of my views would deem me as being a racist or worse.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 39 minutes ago
Both ends of the argument arent bolux are they. Racism, xenophobia, unprovoked violence (kick the chite out of him cos hes a darkie FFS) tyranny, exclusion, fear, terror etc etc that you peddle is bolux.The otherside of peace, unity, diversity, inclusion, tollerance, respect, etc, you know all the wokey snowflake stuff thst you laugh at, is positive. And you know it.
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You paint a lovely picture and if that was really true then I would be a left wing extremist.
Just reading the responses to Devonshire, would you say that many have been respectful, tolerant or inclusive to him?
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 54 minutes ago
Both ends of the argument arent bolux are they. Racism, xenophobia, unprovoked violence (kick the chite out of him cos hes a darkie FFS) tyranny, exclusion, fear, terror etc etc that you peddle is bolux.The otherside of peace, unity, diversity, inclusion, tollerance, respect, etc, you know all the wokey snowflake stuff thst you laugh at, is positive. And you know it.
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Peace, tolerance, unity, respect etc.?
Calling people out as racists, bigots and Naz!s just because they happen to disagree with your views on certain political themes is not respectful or positive and there has been a lot of it coming from the left; on here, in protest marches, in the media, from members of the government.
There is bad on both signs on display for everybody to see. Don't pretend that there is not.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
*sides
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 54 minutes ago
Both ends of the argument arent bolux are they. Racism, xenophobia, unprovoked violence (kick the chite out of him cos hes a darkie FFS) tyranny, exclusion, fear, terror etc etc that you peddle is bolux.The otherside of peace, unity, diversity, inclusion, tollerance, respect, etc, you know all the wokey snowflake stuff thst you laugh at, is positive. And you know it.
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Peace, tolerance, unity, respect etc.?
Calling people out as racists, bigots and Naz!s just because they happen to disagree with your views on certain political themes is not respectful or positive and there has been a lot of it coming from the left; on here, in protest marches, in the media, from members of the government.
There is bad on both signs on display for everybody to see. Don't pretend that there is not.
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This from the lad who insisted Israel isn't targeting civilians.
What a disingenuous load of shiite.
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posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
If you want to retrieve accurate stats on housing in the UK see the link below which was compiled by the Office For National Statistics based on the 2021 Census.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/housing/bulletins/housingenglandandwales/census2021#main-points
Now, I warn some of you, these stats were NOT blown out of Donald Trump's or Farage's ass holes, so you may not believe them, and chose to ignore them, but for normal, sensible, educated people in the UK, this is as good as it gets.
NB with rental accommodation when they classify a dwelling as a rented accommodation it does not equate to just one person solely living in it. Also these stats are just for England and Wales. Not Scotland and NI so bear that in mind.
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Very aware of these stats
And not denying that we have a housing crisis which manifests it self through the entire owner occupied and rental markets.
I just disagree that "10s of millions" of people are are in a rental crisis....unless you take the view that everyone in rented is in crisis, and i don't agree with that statement and think anyone would find it difficult to support factually.
My overriding point is that if people are going to accuse the "other side" of misrepresenting information to drum up their support, on an unsound basis, it seems somewhat daft to act in the same way.
Someone accusing people of being conned by misrepresentation of facts and/or lies but also dealing in the same approach I was just highlighting the hypocrisy of that.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
I just disagree that "10s of millions" of people are are in a rental crisis....unless you take the view that everyone in rented is in crisis, and i don't agree with that statement and think anyone would find it difficult to support factually.
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No. You disagree with the estimated total of the number of people living in rented accommodation.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by No Løve - Play stoopid games win stoopi... (U1282)
posted 11 minutes ago
Devon tries very hard and thinks he has a clever way of defending the right wing bigotry by claiming that their opponents are as bad as themselves. Nice try
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Where am i defending right wing bigotry?
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You posted a nonsense quote from a shadily funded RW think tank, heralded by the Torygraph as one of the most influential in the country, just the other day
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In quoting that source, i used the MET stats which they reference and their view that there was a knife crime "epidemic" in London. When challenged i agreed that epidemic is probably too strong, and a subjective judgement. Perhaps crisis would have been a more considered description. But the stats were right and properly sourced.
I am not sure how that is me defending bigotry. But please do explain
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
Spin, Spin, Sugar
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
Rents and house prices are far too high.
No one really gains from this other than banks and I don't believe property should be bought as an investment. It should simply be somewhere to live in. That shouldn't be a luxury, it should be a human right.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
I just disagree that "10s of millions" of people are are in a rental crisis....unless you take the view that everyone in rented is in crisis, and i don't agree with that statement and think anyone would find it difficult to support factually.
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No. You disagree with the estimated total of the number of people living in rented accommodation.
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I have questioned the source of the 19.1m claim, indeed, especially as it referenced the census, which doesn't gather that detail.
But i have challenged the veracity of the claim that 10s of millions are in a renting crisis.
You can go back and read everything i wrote if you like, not the selective effort youve made so far.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 An... (U2462)
posted 53 seconds ago
Rents and house prices are far too high.
No one really gains from this other than banks and I don't believe property should be bought as an investment. It should simply be somewhere to live in. That shouldn't be a luxury, it should be a human right.
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The problem there is that is no one has a second home, who do the renters rent from?
IN a discussion on another thread, people were debating the possibility that capital gains tax will be applied to peoples primary home. Some were of the view that all home ownership was an investment choice. I dont think thats right for the majority of people but the vast majority 2nd+ homeowners it will absolutely be that.
So long as its taxed appropriately I do not think it is so harmful. Empty properties should be taxed harder IMO. If someone can afford to hold a property and not have to rent it out, that really is a level of wealth that goes beyond a more conventional investment choice. Its more a means of parking wealth outwith the tax system, and that really is a luxury that few can take advantage of.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 An... (U2462)
posted 53 seconds ago
Rents and house prices are far too high.
No one really gains from this other than banks and I don't believe property should be bought as an investment. It should simply be somewhere to live in. That shouldn't be a luxury, it should be a human right.
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The problem there is that is no one has a second home, who do the renters rent from?
IN a discussion on another thread, people were debating the possibility that capital gains tax will be applied to peoples primary home. Some were of the view that all home ownership was an investment choice. I dont think thats right for the majority of people but the vast majority 2nd+ homeowners it will absolutely be that.
So long as its taxed appropriately I do not think it is so harmful. Empty properties should be taxed harder IMO. If someone can afford to hold a property and not have to rent it out, that really is a level of wealth that goes beyond a more conventional investment choice. Its more a means of parking wealth outwith the tax system, and that really is a luxury that few can take advantage of.
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An empty second home helps no one. A second home rented out is preferable, IMO, to an empty home or holiday let.
The issue is some landlords are far too greedy. I will admit here to owning a second home but that's only because I couldn't see it when I moved to I decided to rent it out. I kept the rent the same for eight years (£450pcm) until the tenant moved out this month as I didn't want to be a hypocrite and profiteer. I'll also look to sell it to a local first time buyer if I can too. I've not made a fortune on it at all but I won't have lost on it either if I can get £20k less than I paid in 2008. I realise not everyone will feel the same.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
Fundamentally its a case of demand and supply and there aint enough housing in teh system to meet demand. While 2nd homes do contribute to that, if people were forced to sell, or made so uneconomical to continue to hold as an investment, then that would add supply to the owner market but wipe out the renting market. There are a large number of people who want to rent, or who will always have to rent and a scarcity of properties would only drive rents higher.
Whether house prices then become more affordable to more who currently rent, who knows. I haven't seen any studies looking at this. But my sense is that it would impact those least able to afford, those less likely to ever buy, the most.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by No Løve - Play stoopid games win stoopi... (U1282)
posted 11 minutes ago
Devon tries very hard and thinks he has a clever way of defending the right wing bigotry by claiming that their opponents are as bad as themselves. Nice try
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Where am i defending right wing bigotry?
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The whole thread. If you are so centrist why do you never get into arguments or debates with right wingers when they seem to exhibit these behaviours you complain about more often?
It's clear your angle to advance the cause is to attack "lefties". If you were centrist you'd have an issue with both sides. Show me one debate or argument you ever had with a right wing anti immigration genius on here. You clearly don't have a problem with those blokes, which speaks volumes.
Sometimes comments are made on here that demonstrate that it's not just immigration that some people have an issue with and I've never seen you take issue with those because those are your people, and so your modus in advancing this agenda is to "expose" the "lefties".
What's funny is that you think people can't see through your little act
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 An... (U2462)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 An... (U2462)
posted 53 seconds ago
Rents and house prices are far too high.
No one really gains from this other than banks and I don't believe property should be bought as an investment. It should simply be somewhere to live in. That shouldn't be a luxury, it should be a human right.
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The problem there is that is no one has a second home, who do the renters rent from?
IN a discussion on another thread, people were debating the possibility that capital gains tax will be applied to peoples primary home. Some were of the view that all home ownership was an investment choice. I dont think thats right for the majority of people but the vast majority 2nd+ homeowners it will absolutely be that.
So long as its taxed appropriately I do not think it is so harmful. Empty properties should be taxed harder IMO. If someone can afford to hold a property and not have to rent it out, that really is a level of wealth that goes beyond a more conventional investment choice. Its more a means of parking wealth outwith the tax system, and that really is a luxury that few can take advantage of.
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An empty second home helps no one. A second home rented out is preferable, IMO, to an empty home or holiday let.
The issue is some landlords are far too greedy. I will admit here to owning a second home but that's only because I couldn't see it when I moved to I decided to rent it out. I kept the rent the same for eight years (£450pcm) until the tenant moved out this month as I didn't want to be a hypocrite and profiteer. I'll also look to sell it to a local first time buyer if I can too. I've not made a fortune on it at all but I won't have lost on it either if I can get £20k less than I paid in 2008. I realise not everyone will feel the same.
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Nice one. Very fair and i know people of similar mind. My sister 'gained' a spare house when she married.
They rent, at a fair rent, and it pays the mortgage. Ultimately she wants to give the benefit of that to her kids (whether directly or selling and helping to fund their Uni/house buy/ whatever) and i dont think thre is anything wrong in that. She'll be hit by CGT when she sells, the rent is deemed as income, so taxed. I think this Govt may add NI onto such income and while that may add to inflation on rent levels, i think the principle is right, its an income and should be taxed accordingly.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 minutes ago
Fundamentally its a case of demand and supply and there aint enough housing in teh system to meet demand
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Just look at that. A matter of life and death for many, or at least an acute matter of existentialism described as a matter of demand and supply.
3rd world countries have been forced to take in millions of refugees and asylum seekers in a world of troubles and they don't half moan about it like you, and some rich punks in the west, which is running most of the wars and economic sabotages that send people fleeing their countries, see it as a matter of supply and demand of housing. You couldn't make it up. So out of touch with reality and living in a bubble.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by No Løve - Play stoopid games win stoopi... (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by No Løve - Play stoopid games win stoopi... (U1282)
posted 11 minutes ago
Devon tries very hard and thinks he has a clever way of defending the right wing bigotry by claiming that their opponents are as bad as themselves. Nice try
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Where am i defending right wing bigotry?
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The whole thread. If you are so centrist why do you never get into arguments or debates with right wingers when they seem to exhibit these behaviours you complain about more often?
It's clear your angle to advance the cause is to attack "lefties". If you were centrist you'd have an issue with both sides. Show me one debate or argument you ever had with a right wing anti immigration genius on here. You clearly don't have a problem with those blokes, which speaks volumes.
Sometimes comments are made on here that demonstrate that it's not just immigration that some people have an issue with and I've never seen you take issue with those because those are your people, and so your modus in advancing this agenda is to "expose" the "lefties".
What's funny is that you think people can't see through your little act
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I take you point
But i have also said that the way the RW/Farage etc act is dishonest and misleading and some lap that up too willingly or without question.
I think my responses a lot of the time is challenging the, strong implication, and often the direct claim that as i am right of their view I am a racist, and then you get the likes of Hoody taking that to Naazi comparisons. It's not something I will take lying down because its insulting.
I have said over and over it is not helpful to generalise and reach such simple judgements and that goes for Reform spinning facts reaching to dishonest conclusions, or Gary Neville classing a massive group of men as the same thing, all driving division.
Both ends of the argument are bollox. But because i am being labelled as one end, despite not holding or expressing anything near extreme views, I push back.
Basically i am defending myself more than anyone else. If people want to engage with me by calling me a racist or bigot or naazi, then what do you expect?
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by No Løve - Play stoopid games win stoopi... (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 minutes ago
Fundamentally its a case of demand and supply and there aint enough housing in teh system to meet demand
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Just look at that. A matter of life and death for many, or at least an acute matter of existentialism described as a matter of demand and supply.
3rd world countries have been forced to take in millions of refugees and asylum seekers in a world of troubles and they don't half moan about it like you, and some rich punks in the west, which is running most of the wars and economic sabotages that send people fleeing their countries, see it as a matter of supply and demand of housing. You couldn't make it up. So out of touch with reality and living in a bubble.
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How is your response related to our discussion on the renting / housing crisis.
We're not even talking about immigration. Hoody raised this as an issue he considered to be of greater priority than immigration, and some chat about it followed.
Your rant is misplaced.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 Andrei Kanchelskis is a right winger I like. Tommy Robinson isn't. (U2462)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 An... (U2462)
posted 53 seconds ago
Rents and house prices are far too high.
No one really gains from this other than banks and I don't believe property should be bought as an investment. It should simply be somewhere to live in. That shouldn't be a luxury, it should be a human right.
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The problem there is that is no one has a second home, who do the renters rent from?
IN a discussion on another thread, people were debating the possibility that capital gains tax will be applied to peoples primary home. Some were of the view that all home ownership was an investment choice. I dont think thats right for the majority of people but the vast majority 2nd+ homeowners it will absolutely be that.
So long as its taxed appropriately I do not think it is so harmful. Empty properties should be taxed harder IMO. If someone can afford to hold a property and not have to rent it out, that really is a level of wealth that goes beyond a more conventional investment choice. Its more a means of parking wealth outwith the tax system, and that really is a luxury that few can take advantage of.
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An empty second home helps no one. A second home rented out is preferable, IMO, to an empty home or holiday let.
The issue is some landlords are far too greedy. I will admit here to owning a second home but that's only because I couldn't see it when I moved to I decided to rent it out. I kept the rent the same for eight years (£450pcm) until the tenant moved out this month as I didn't want to be a hypocrite and profiteer. I'll also look to sell it to a local first time buyer if I can too. I've not made a fortune on it at all but I won't have lost on it either if I can get £20k less than I paid in 2008. I realise not everyone will feel the same.
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Out of interest, how will you only get £20k less for a property you’re selling which you purchased in 2008?
Surely it would have gone up significantly in value in that time?
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 Andrei Kanchelskis is a right winger I like. Tommy Robinson isn't. (U2462)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 An... (U2462)
posted 53 seconds ago
Rents and house prices are far too high.
No one really gains from this other than banks and I don't believe property should be bought as an investment. It should simply be somewhere to live in. That shouldn't be a luxury, it should be a human right.
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The problem there is that is no one has a second home, who do the renters rent from?
IN a discussion on another thread, people were debating the possibility that capital gains tax will be applied to peoples primary home. Some were of the view that all home ownership was an investment choice. I dont think thats right for the majority of people but the vast majority 2nd+ homeowners it will absolutely be that.
So long as its taxed appropriately I do not think it is so harmful. Empty properties should be taxed harder IMO. If someone can afford to hold a property and not have to rent it out, that really is a level of wealth that goes beyond a more conventional investment choice. Its more a means of parking wealth outwith the tax system, and that really is a luxury that few can take advantage of.
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An empty second home helps no one. A second home rented out is preferable, IMO, to an empty home or holiday let.
The issue is some landlords are far too greedy. I will admit here to owning a second home but that's only because I couldn't see it when I moved to I decided to rent it out. I kept the rent the same for eight years (£450pcm) until the tenant moved out this month as I didn't want to be a hypocrite and profiteer. I'll also look to sell it to a local first time buyer if I can too. I've not made a fortune on it at all but I won't have lost on it either if I can get £20k less than I paid in 2008. I realise not everyone will feel the same.
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Out of interest, how will you only get £20k less for a property you’re selling which you purchased in 2008?
Surely it would have gone up significantly in value in that time?
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I bought it at pretty much the wrong time in 2008 and the county I'm now in has imposed an Article 4 direction and Council Tax premiums which has meant house prices falling. A directive I'm fully behind too.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
comment by No Løve - Play stoopid games win stoopi... (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by No Løve - Play stoopid games win stoopi... (U1282)
posted 11 minutes ago
Devon tries very hard and thinks he has a clever way of defending the right wing bigotry by claiming that their opponents are as bad as themselves. Nice try
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Where am i defending right wing bigotry?
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The whole thread. If you are so centrist why do you never get into arguments or debates with right wingers when they seem to exhibit these behaviours you complain about more often?
It's clear your angle to advance the cause is to attack "lefties". If you were centrist you'd have an issue with both sides. Show me one debate or argument you ever had with a right wing anti immigration genius on here. You clearly don't have a problem with those blokes, which speaks volumes.
Sometimes comments are made on here that demonstrate that it's not just immigration that some people have an issue with and I've never seen you take issue with those because those are your people, and so your modus in advancing this agenda is to "expose" the "lefties".
What's funny is that you think people can't see through your little act
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I take you point
But i have also said that the way the RW/Farage etc act is dishonest and misleading and some lap that up too willingly or without question.
I think my responses a lot of the time is challenging the, strong implication, and often the direct claim that as i am right of their view I am a racist, and then you get the likes of Hoody taking that to Naazi comparisons. It's not something I will take lying down because its insulting.
I have said over and over it is not helpful to generalise and reach such simple judgements and that goes for Reform spinning facts reaching to dishonest conclusions, or Gary Neville classing a massive group of men as the same thing, all driving division.
Both ends of the argument are bollox. But because i am being labelled as one end, despite not holding or expressing anything near extreme views, I push back.
Basically i am defending myself more than anyone else. If people want to engage with me by calling me a racist or bigot or naazi, then what do you expect?
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What do you expect people to say if that's what they think of your views?
You can't tell people what to think or dictate how you should be addressed. If you have a problem with people expressing their views then perhaps you shouldn't engage.
Nobody is buying this "both sides are bollox" tripe. Actions speak louder than words and people are free to make their conclusions. If you ask me you are a hard core right winger. I know you say you aren't but your expressed views over the years confirm otherwise.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
Both ends of the argument arent bolux are they. Racism, xenophobia, unprovoked violence (kick the chite out of him cos hes a darkie FFS) tyranny, exclusion, fear, terror etc etc that you peddle is bolux.The otherside of peace, unity, diversity, inclusion, tollerance, respect, etc, you know all the wokey snowflake stuff thst you laugh at, is positive. And you know it.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 17 minutes ago
Both ends of the argument arent bolux are they. Racism, xenophobia, unprovoked violence (kick the chite out of him cos hes a darkie FFS) tyranny, exclusion, fear, terror etc etc that you peddle is bolux.The otherside of peace, unity, diversity, inclusion, tollerance, respect, etc, you know all the wokey snowflake stuff thst you laugh at, is positive. And you know it.
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Exactly. Their side is in the toilet and the only thing they can do is try to drag the other side down to their level instead of improving themselves.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by No Løve - Play stoopid games win stoopi... (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
comment by No Løve - Play stoopid games win stoopi... (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by No Løve - Play stoopid games win stoopi... (U1282)
posted 11 minutes ago
Devon tries very hard and thinks he has a clever way of defending the right wing bigotry by claiming that their opponents are as bad as themselves. Nice try
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Where am i defending right wing bigotry?
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The whole thread. If you are so centrist why do you never get into arguments or debates with right wingers when they seem to exhibit these behaviours you complain about more often?
It's clear your angle to advance the cause is to attack "lefties". If you were centrist you'd have an issue with both sides. Show me one debate or argument you ever had with a right wing anti immigration genius on here. You clearly don't have a problem with those blokes, which speaks volumes.
Sometimes comments are made on here that demonstrate that it's not just immigration that some people have an issue with and I've never seen you take issue with those because those are your people, and so your modus in advancing this agenda is to "expose" the "lefties".
What's funny is that you think people can't see through your little act
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I take you point
But i have also said that the way the RW/Farage etc act is dishonest and misleading and some lap that up too willingly or without question.
I think my responses a lot of the time is challenging the, strong implication, and often the direct claim that as i am right of their view I am a racist, and then you get the likes of Hoody taking that to Naazi comparisons. It's not something I will take lying down because its insulting.
I have said over and over it is not helpful to generalise and reach such simple judgements and that goes for Reform spinning facts reaching to dishonest conclusions, or Gary Neville classing a massive group of men as the same thing, all driving division.
Both ends of the argument are bollox. But because i am being labelled as one end, despite not holding or expressing anything near extreme views, I push back.
Basically i am defending myself more than anyone else. If people want to engage with me by calling me a racist or bigot or naazi, then what do you expect?
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What do you expect people to say if that's what they think of your views?
You can't tell people what to think or dictate how you should be addressed. If you have a problem with people expressing their views then perhaps you shouldn't engage.
Nobody is buying this "both sides are bollox" tripe. Actions speak louder than words and people are free to make their conclusions. If you ask me you are a hard core right winger. I know you say you aren't but your expressed views over the years confirm otherwise.
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What views....please explain to me what of my views would deem me as being a racist or worse.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 39 minutes ago
Both ends of the argument arent bolux are they. Racism, xenophobia, unprovoked violence (kick the chite out of him cos hes a darkie FFS) tyranny, exclusion, fear, terror etc etc that you peddle is bolux.The otherside of peace, unity, diversity, inclusion, tollerance, respect, etc, you know all the wokey snowflake stuff thst you laugh at, is positive. And you know it.
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You paint a lovely picture and if that was really true then I would be a left wing extremist.
Just reading the responses to Devonshire, would you say that many have been respectful, tolerant or inclusive to him?
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 54 minutes ago
Both ends of the argument arent bolux are they. Racism, xenophobia, unprovoked violence (kick the chite out of him cos hes a darkie FFS) tyranny, exclusion, fear, terror etc etc that you peddle is bolux.The otherside of peace, unity, diversity, inclusion, tollerance, respect, etc, you know all the wokey snowflake stuff thst you laugh at, is positive. And you know it.
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Peace, tolerance, unity, respect etc.?
Calling people out as racists, bigots and Naz!s just because they happen to disagree with your views on certain political themes is not respectful or positive and there has been a lot of it coming from the left; on here, in protest marches, in the media, from members of the government.
There is bad on both signs on display for everybody to see. Don't pretend that there is not.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
*sides
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 54 minutes ago
Both ends of the argument arent bolux are they. Racism, xenophobia, unprovoked violence (kick the chite out of him cos hes a darkie FFS) tyranny, exclusion, fear, terror etc etc that you peddle is bolux.The otherside of peace, unity, diversity, inclusion, tollerance, respect, etc, you know all the wokey snowflake stuff thst you laugh at, is positive. And you know it.
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Peace, tolerance, unity, respect etc.?
Calling people out as racists, bigots and Naz!s just because they happen to disagree with your views on certain political themes is not respectful or positive and there has been a lot of it coming from the left; on here, in protest marches, in the media, from members of the government.
There is bad on both signs on display for everybody to see. Don't pretend that there is not.
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This from the lad who insisted Israel isn't targeting civilians.
What a disingenuous load of shiite.
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