How long has Scottie Parker actually been the real deal CM player?
He's been a journey man for years. He finally found his level at West Ham. They got relegated.
Only in the last 12 months or so have people been clamouring for him to play for England post 30. That says more about the state of England than Parker.
Would you swap parker for carrick?
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No.
Parker puts himself about more, but he just doesn't read the game as well as Carrick.
Some idiot at the weekend was on about Spurs so called superior midfield.
I would love to know how our inferior one keeps ripping them to pieces.
RBW
I was thinkin about too. Scotty parkers a strange one. I'm pretty sure he was this hard working good old fashioned defensive midfielder back a few years ago was he? Has he changed his game or something?
Here we go again, round and round in circles. If Fergie is the messiah, and can do no wrong, why are we even creating articles on discussion boards.
We should all make a tinkerman shrine, and just sit and hum in front if it instead?
I refer you back to the team selection for the first 4 games of the season. That to me suggests when are better players are fit, Carrick will be in charge of halftime oranges.
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this is where you let yourself down in discussions. From the vaguely debatable to the ridiculous.
For the first 4 games Fergie adopted an expansive 2 man midfield with Ando and Cleverley. They had good pre seasons in the US and hit the floor running destroying the likes of Bolton and Arsenal. Defensively however they were poor together and soon the other clubs caught up with them fitness wise. Clev got injured and Ando blew himself out.
Carrick was injured at the start of the season, after the CS so wasnt available until the Benfica game...
why TF I am telling you this I dont know because the facts have no bearing on your opinions.
"Some idiot at the weekend was on about Spurs so called superior midfield."
Yeah, it was Fergie:
"Tottenham have been the most impressive team. They were unlucky last Sunday at Stoke, but if they win their game in hand, they are still in there. And for me, Spurs have been playing the best football in the Premier League for the last eight games. They look confident and dangerous and I have been very impressed with them".
Ok, so not a direct comment about the midfield in particular, but I think it's fair to say Tottenhams recent serge in performance has been a direct result of Van Der Vaart, Parker, Bale, and Modric, all of course midfield players...
So Fergie is an idiot now? Just log out kid, honestly.
"Carrick was injured at the start of the season"
BS. He was on the bench for 3 of the first 4 games.
"Defensively however they were poor together"
BS - The team conceded 3 goals in 4 games, exactly the same is the next 4. However, with Anderson and Cleverly in the side, and Carrick bench warming, we scored 18.
"why TF I am telling you this I dont know"
Because you think it justifies your opinion that Carrick is one of the best midfield players in Europe.
Ok, so not a direct comment about the midfield in particular
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No it wasn't was it
Not sure why you would bring it up.
When was the last time Spurs midfield outclased ours. Was Hoddle still playing?
Arab Manc
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If you've got nothing constructive to contribute, please shut up.
Because you think it justifies your opinion that Carrick is one of the best midfield players in Europe.
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Certainly backs up what he says.
You should try it.
MrC
SP has always been a good solid CM player. But failed to break into the top level. The Chelsea thing almost ruined him.
He got his confidence back at WHU and the Spurs move has been good for him. You become better playing with better players. With Modric and VDV around him doing the fancy stuff SP can concentrate on being the old fashioned English DCM player he is.
Vidicschin
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So you're happy to conclude Tottenham’s recent rise in form, has absolutely nothing to do with arguable the best performing midfield in the PL at present?
WAAU
After the SC Carrick pulled out of the England squad with injury.
Pls get your facts right.
comment by We_Are_All_Utd (U2259)
posted 57 seconds ago
Vidicschin
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So you're happy to conclude Tottenham’s recent rise in form, has absolutely nothing to do with arguable the best performing midfield in the PL at present?
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I have concluded no such thing.
Please read what people actually say to you, not what you think they are saying.
RedBlackandWhiteside
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I'm looking at the facts right now mate. Sub for 3 of the first 4 games of the season. Of wich he appeared for 23 mins against Bolton.
Either Carrick/United are telling pork pies, or Fergie is putting injured players on the bench.
or Fergie is putting injured players on the bench.
.................
Or players who have recently recovered from injury.
Vidicschin
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Well I’m struggling to work out what the hell you're on about.
Fergie has concluded that Tottenham are the top performing team in the PL for the last 8 games. I'm reading between the lines a little here, and suggesting the current Tottenham midfield quartet of Modric, Bale, VDV and Parker may have something to do with this.
Why do you think Tottenham are playing so well (the best in the PL according to your messiah), and what do you think has been the main catalyst for this?
"Or players who have recently recovered from injury."
Which is exactly what I said, RBW said he was injured up intil the Benfica game!
comment by We_Are_All_Utd (U2259)
posted 49 seconds ago
Vidicschin
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Well I’m struggling to work out what the hell you're on about.
................
Would you like me to draw you pictures, or use shorter words?
Carrick wasnt fully fit, on the bench or not after the CS, so Fergie went with Clev and Ando after the CS. Quite rightly.
We soon got found out with this 2 man midfield albeit after Cleverly got injured and Fletcher came in. It culminated by getting thumped by Liverpool, City and the Norwich game. Since Carrick has come back into the PL team we have steadied the ship and looking like going on a good run of games now.
Fergie has concluded that Tottenham are the top performing team in the PL for the last 8 games.
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Spurs last 8 games are the same as ours. Won 6 Drew 1 Lost 1.
Why do you think Tottenham are playing so well
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Well, for there last 8 games the only team of note they have played is Newcastle.
They got thumped by both us and City
Would you like me to draw you pictures, or use shorter words?
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Either, because the ring your currently coming out with is of no use at all.
"Carrick wasnt fully fit, on the bench or not after the CS, so Fergie went with Clev and Ando after the CS. Quite rightly.
We soon got found out with this 2 man midfield albeit after Cleverly got injured and Fletcher came in."
WTF!!? Got found out? Our best players were injured.
And I wouldn't call a 1-1 a thumping.
Since Carrick has come back we've won 4 games by more that 1 goal! Nowrich - Carrick didn't play. Aldershot - Carrick didn't get on the bench. Otelul Galati - Carrick didn't play. Wolves - Ah finally, a Carrick appearance. QPR - And he scores!! Apparently thrusting him back to European midfielder of the year.
As always, I'd hardly say he was the centre stone to United wining games. It would certainly appear that nearly all games we win convincingly don't involve him at all!!
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posted on 20/12/11
How long has Scottie Parker actually been the real deal CM player?
He's been a journey man for years. He finally found his level at West Ham. They got relegated.
Only in the last 12 months or so have people been clamouring for him to play for England post 30. That says more about the state of England than Parker.
posted on 20/12/11
Would you swap parker for carrick?
....................
No.
Parker puts himself about more, but he just doesn't read the game as well as Carrick.
Some idiot at the weekend was on about Spurs so called superior midfield.
I would love to know how our inferior one keeps ripping them to pieces.
posted on 20/12/11
RBW
I was thinkin about too. Scotty parkers a strange one. I'm pretty sure he was this hard working good old fashioned defensive midfielder back a few years ago was he? Has he changed his game or something?
posted on 20/12/11
He wasnt*
posted on 20/12/11
Here we go again, round and round in circles. If Fergie is the messiah, and can do no wrong, why are we even creating articles on discussion boards.
We should all make a tinkerman shrine, and just sit and hum in front if it instead?
I refer you back to the team selection for the first 4 games of the season. That to me suggests when are better players are fit, Carrick will be in charge of halftime oranges.
***
this is where you let yourself down in discussions. From the vaguely debatable to the ridiculous.
For the first 4 games Fergie adopted an expansive 2 man midfield with Ando and Cleverley. They had good pre seasons in the US and hit the floor running destroying the likes of Bolton and Arsenal. Defensively however they were poor together and soon the other clubs caught up with them fitness wise. Clev got injured and Ando blew himself out.
Carrick was injured at the start of the season, after the CS so wasnt available until the Benfica game...
why TF I am telling you this I dont know because the facts have no bearing on your opinions.
posted on 20/12/11
"Some idiot at the weekend was on about Spurs so called superior midfield."
Yeah, it was Fergie:
"Tottenham have been the most impressive team. They were unlucky last Sunday at Stoke, but if they win their game in hand, they are still in there. And for me, Spurs have been playing the best football in the Premier League for the last eight games. They look confident and dangerous and I have been very impressed with them".
Ok, so not a direct comment about the midfield in particular, but I think it's fair to say Tottenhams recent serge in performance has been a direct result of Van Der Vaart, Parker, Bale, and Modric, all of course midfield players...
posted on 20/12/11
So Fergie is an idiot now? Just log out kid, honestly.
posted on 20/12/11
"Carrick was injured at the start of the season"
BS. He was on the bench for 3 of the first 4 games.
"Defensively however they were poor together"
BS - The team conceded 3 goals in 4 games, exactly the same is the next 4. However, with Anderson and Cleverly in the side, and Carrick bench warming, we scored 18.
"why TF I am telling you this I dont know"
Because you think it justifies your opinion that Carrick is one of the best midfield players in Europe.
posted on 20/12/11
Ok, so not a direct comment about the midfield in particular
.............
No it wasn't was it
Not sure why you would bring it up.
When was the last time Spurs midfield outclased ours. Was Hoddle still playing?
posted on 20/12/11
Arab Manc
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If you've got nothing constructive to contribute, please shut up.
posted on 20/12/11
Because you think it justifies your opinion that Carrick is one of the best midfield players in Europe.
............................
Certainly backs up what he says.
You should try it.
posted on 20/12/11
MrC
SP has always been a good solid CM player. But failed to break into the top level. The Chelsea thing almost ruined him.
He got his confidence back at WHU and the Spurs move has been good for him. You become better playing with better players. With Modric and VDV around him doing the fancy stuff SP can concentrate on being the old fashioned English DCM player he is.
posted on 20/12/11
Vidicschin
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So you're happy to conclude Tottenham’s recent rise in form, has absolutely nothing to do with arguable the best performing midfield in the PL at present?
posted on 20/12/11
WAAU
After the SC Carrick pulled out of the England squad with injury.
Pls get your facts right.
posted on 20/12/11
comment by We_Are_All_Utd (U2259)
posted 57 seconds ago
Vidicschin
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So you're happy to conclude Tottenham’s recent rise in form, has absolutely nothing to do with arguable the best performing midfield in the PL at present?
.................
I have concluded no such thing.
Please read what people actually say to you, not what you think they are saying.
posted on 20/12/11
RedBlackandWhiteside
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I'm looking at the facts right now mate. Sub for 3 of the first 4 games of the season. Of wich he appeared for 23 mins against Bolton.
Either Carrick/United are telling pork pies, or Fergie is putting injured players on the bench.
posted on 20/12/11
or Fergie is putting injured players on the bench.
.................
Or players who have recently recovered from injury.
posted on 20/12/11
Vidicschin
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Well I’m struggling to work out what the hell you're on about.
Fergie has concluded that Tottenham are the top performing team in the PL for the last 8 games. I'm reading between the lines a little here, and suggesting the current Tottenham midfield quartet of Modric, Bale, VDV and Parker may have something to do with this.
Why do you think Tottenham are playing so well (the best in the PL according to your messiah), and what do you think has been the main catalyst for this?
posted on 20/12/11
"Or players who have recently recovered from injury."
Which is exactly what I said, RBW said he was injured up intil the Benfica game!
posted on 20/12/11
comment by We_Are_All_Utd (U2259)
posted 49 seconds ago
Vidicschin
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Well I’m struggling to work out what the hell you're on about.
................
Would you like me to draw you pictures, or use shorter words?
posted on 20/12/11
Carrick wasnt fully fit, on the bench or not after the CS, so Fergie went with Clev and Ando after the CS. Quite rightly.
We soon got found out with this 2 man midfield albeit after Cleverly got injured and Fletcher came in. It culminated by getting thumped by Liverpool, City and the Norwich game. Since Carrick has come back into the PL team we have steadied the ship and looking like going on a good run of games now.
posted on 20/12/11
Fergie has concluded that Tottenham are the top performing team in the PL for the last 8 games.
.........................
Spurs last 8 games are the same as ours. Won 6 Drew 1 Lost 1.
posted on 20/12/11
Why do you think Tottenham are playing so well
..................
Well, for there last 8 games the only team of note they have played is Newcastle.
They got thumped by both us and City
posted on 20/12/11
Would you like me to draw you pictures, or use shorter words?
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Either, because the ring your currently coming out with is of no use at all.
posted on 20/12/11
"Carrick wasnt fully fit, on the bench or not after the CS, so Fergie went with Clev and Ando after the CS. Quite rightly.
We soon got found out with this 2 man midfield albeit after Cleverly got injured and Fletcher came in."
WTF!!? Got found out? Our best players were injured.
And I wouldn't call a 1-1 a thumping.
Since Carrick has come back we've won 4 games by more that 1 goal! Nowrich - Carrick didn't play. Aldershot - Carrick didn't get on the bench. Otelul Galati - Carrick didn't play. Wolves - Ah finally, a Carrick appearance. QPR - And he scores!! Apparently thrusting him back to European midfielder of the year.
As always, I'd hardly say he was the centre stone to United wining games. It would certainly appear that nearly all games we win convincingly don't involve him at all!!
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