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You guys don't learn. One flash of shiny brogues and a pinstripe suit and you're all weak at the knees.
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I doubted whether McCoist had it in him to be a manager and I'm still a little uncertain.
Obviously the start to last season wasn't great getting pumped out of Europe twice and we were all doubting him. To be fair though the SPL form picked up and we were playing some nice stuff until the financial reality started hitting home. Players lost interest/were distracted etc and obviously once admin hit we took a nose dive.
I do worry though like said above that Ally can distance himself enough from the players. Not just because of his friendly nature but he's been their assistant for a few years. It will be hard to take the step back from being their mate to their boss.
It shouldn't take a tactical genius to get us back to the SPL, let's be honest. Although I'm worried about the balance of our team and the long ball mentality we seem determined to persist with.
Throughout the team we have decent players but I'm not sure the balance is right. In midfield we've no creativity or flair. Black and McCulloch are practically the same player, both holding mids, both more than good enough for the league but they shouldn't be in the same team. We need a creative player and I don't think we have one.
At the back Bocanegra needs to get his act together quickly or we should get rid. The captain of the USA should not be looking like a schoolboy in the Scottish 3rd Division. Just not good enough. A youth team player wouldn't be any worse.
Buying mercenary Frenchman/Spaniards etc is not the answer. To get through this we need people who will bleed for the club. There are going to be a lot of hard slogs this season and guys like Sandaza for me, although a half decent player, are not going to be committed enough.
First and foremost though, stop playing long ball. Berwick had a cracking pitch there that their team were knocking about nicely on, yet everytime Alexander got the ball, our team all pushed up the park and waited for the long ball. Do we really think our boys aren't capable of passing teams like Berwick and Peterhead off the park? Of course we are. That for me is the manager's responsibility. He has to drill it into the players that they are technically better than this league (without being bigheaded about it) and should be showing it by knocking the ball around.
I'm still reserving my judgement on Ally. Obviously he's a legend and I want him to do well but I'm slightly concerned. Unfotunately I don't think we can do much better in terms of management anyway. It's not like a manager of any real calibre will manage us while we're in the third division.
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Obviously the start to last season wasn't great getting pumped out of Europe twice and we were all doubting him. To be fair though the SPL form picked up and we were playing some nice stuff until the financial reality started hitting home. Players lost interest/were distracted etc and obviously once admin hit we took a nose dive.
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Sorry, but, some of that is absolute nonsense.You lost a 19 point lead within a 2 month period, whilst unlike Hearts' players, your team were still being paid as normal, with no knowledge of the impending disaster.
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Rangers' form improved post-admin
TCD
Do you really think the players didn't know about the impending financial meltdown?? Come on, get real.
And the 19 point gap or whatever that Celtic fans go on about was when Celtic had about 4 games in hand. Yes it was still a comfortable lead but as much as it pains me to say it Celtic's catch up was as much to do with them going on a pretty incredible run of wins as it was to do with Rangers collapse.
Either way my point is it would be very harsh to judge Ally on last season and I saw plenty of positives earlier in the season to show he may have what it takes to be a decent manager.
Much like with Neil Lennon being thrown straight into such a high profile sink or swim job for your first managerial role is never going to be plain sailing.
Celtic could easily and probably justifyably ditched Lennon on a few occasions but have stuck with him, fair play to them and are allowing him to develop.
I hope Rangers do the same as Ally like Lennon has to be given time to learn the job.
Obviously if it gets to the point were it looks like we will struggle to get out of the 3rd division then we may have to get rid, but after 3 games I don't think it's quite time to hit that panic button.
Seem to remember Super Ally's team playing Celtic off the park at Ibrox last season.
Aye Hillbilly, but the Celtic team were a team 'still to gel', 'young', 'experimental', 'being built', being affected by 'off-the-field' situations, yadda, yadda, yadda.
Seem to remember Super Ally's team playing Celtic off the park at Ibrox last season.
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Sally started the season very well, barring the 2 exits to European minnows Domestically, the confidence of nicking that title a few months earlier played a part in the squad morale, then things changed after Steven 'No history there' Naismith got injured and thus thew team started playing poorly, the 15 point lead was squandered and the deed Rangers were already out of the CIS Cup to Falkirk kids, and then a dismal showing against Dundee Utd a few weeks before administration (The 17,000 game If I remember right).
In summary, it was a dreadful season for Super Swally, that can't be reasonably denied.
Domestically, the confidence of nicking that title a few months earlier played a part in the squad morale
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But I thought Celtic fans think mental issues and team morale are irrelevant in football, after all you lot argued and still argue the 10 points and off-field issues had no negative affect on Rangers team Morale and no positive affect on the Celtic one.
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In summary, it was a dreadful season for Super Swally, that can't be reasonably denied. ................It was a dreadful season for Super Ally with all he had to contend with and yet was still able to field a team which played Celtic off the park.
"In summary, it was a dreadful season for Super Swally, that can't be reasonably denied."
It can be reasonably denied.
Its just that tims dont believe it and dont want to listen.
We needed to strengthen in January but couldnt.
We didnt have anyone to replace Naismith with when he got injured, that was a consequence of the two years worth of squad size cutting that had gone on prior to Ally even being anywhere near the hot seat, with a very small number coming in the door in comparison.
The "collapse" that everyone refers to, was 5 poor results, that was it. The old firm game was when Celtic over took us at the top of the table....up to that point, our league form was played 21, won 15, drawn 3, lost 3, a total of 48 points amassed.
In 10-11, a season we won the league, after 21 games we had won 16 games, drawn 2 and lost 3, 50 points amassed
In 09-10, anotehr league title winning season, it was 14 games won, 6 draws and 2 defeats, again 48 points amassed.
In 08-09, again a title winning season, it was 14 games won, 4 draws and 3 defeats, only 46 points amassed.
So for all the talk of the "collapse", it wasnt a collapse at all, it was typical form for us at that stage of the season over the past four seasons.......it was Celtic that were pi$h poor at the start of the season, dropping points in 5 of your first 12 games, that allowed us to open up such a gap......after that you got your finger out, went on a 17 game winning run, dropped points in only 3 more fixtures that season, rightly deserved to win the title because you were by far the better side over the second half of the season, or from about October on whichever way you look at it.....while the full effects of our financial situation took effect, particularly from January 1st onwards
Thats the reality of Ally's "dreadful" season.....we were beaten by a Celtic side that upped their game, and by all means, with a better and bigger squad, paying more in wages and without off field problems, it would have been a joke if you hadnt won the league
Also, to answer a point made earlier about Rangers form being better after administration.....we played 26 matched before admin and lost 3 games, yet after admin we played 12 games and lost four of them.....also, our points to games ratio before admin was 2.35, and after it, it was 1.83 so wtf are you talking about??
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*In 09-10, anotehr league title winning season, it was 14 games won, 6 draws and 2 defeats, again 48 points amassed."
That should read 14 games won, 6 draws and 1 defeat
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McCoist saying he needs to bring in signings of quality. Ally, how much quality do you need to see off part timers?
Pure Riddy
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He's a poor manager mate.
evidently more than he has at the moment
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You've got Scotland internationals and the have took some of the best SPL players in Sandaza & Black, why would you possibly need more quality? What does Ally need, Champions League standard players?
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Your current side should be more than good enough to beat a bunch of Tesco workers.
"You were tamely knocked out of both European & domestic cups early-on, what is the excuse for that?"
No excuse....not good enough, simple as.
Sometimes thats all it boils down to.....same thing on Sunday......the team just wasnt good enough....thats not always the managers fault tho
It was Ally's first crack at Europe.....and he had taken the team in the cups under Walter and we struggled against teams like Partick and Queen of the South in those campaigns but seen through.
The league had more priority last season, we did very well under Walter to compete on all fronts like we did.......perhaps the eye was taken off the ball with the cups a bit....was still no excuse for going out them all though in the manner we did tho, just not good enough
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posted on 27/8/12
'Billionaires coming on board'
You guys don't learn. One flash of shiny brogues and a pinstripe suit and you're all weak at the knees.
posted on 27/8/12
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posted on 27/8/12
I doubted whether McCoist had it in him to be a manager and I'm still a little uncertain.
Obviously the start to last season wasn't great getting pumped out of Europe twice and we were all doubting him. To be fair though the SPL form picked up and we were playing some nice stuff until the financial reality started hitting home. Players lost interest/were distracted etc and obviously once admin hit we took a nose dive.
I do worry though like said above that Ally can distance himself enough from the players. Not just because of his friendly nature but he's been their assistant for a few years. It will be hard to take the step back from being their mate to their boss.
It shouldn't take a tactical genius to get us back to the SPL, let's be honest. Although I'm worried about the balance of our team and the long ball mentality we seem determined to persist with.
Throughout the team we have decent players but I'm not sure the balance is right. In midfield we've no creativity or flair. Black and McCulloch are practically the same player, both holding mids, both more than good enough for the league but they shouldn't be in the same team. We need a creative player and I don't think we have one.
At the back Bocanegra needs to get his act together quickly or we should get rid. The captain of the USA should not be looking like a schoolboy in the Scottish 3rd Division. Just not good enough. A youth team player wouldn't be any worse.
Buying mercenary Frenchman/Spaniards etc is not the answer. To get through this we need people who will bleed for the club. There are going to be a lot of hard slogs this season and guys like Sandaza for me, although a half decent player, are not going to be committed enough.
First and foremost though, stop playing long ball. Berwick had a cracking pitch there that their team were knocking about nicely on, yet everytime Alexander got the ball, our team all pushed up the park and waited for the long ball. Do we really think our boys aren't capable of passing teams like Berwick and Peterhead off the park? Of course we are. That for me is the manager's responsibility. He has to drill it into the players that they are technically better than this league (without being bigheaded about it) and should be showing it by knocking the ball around.
I'm still reserving my judgement on Ally. Obviously he's a legend and I want him to do well but I'm slightly concerned. Unfotunately I don't think we can do much better in terms of management anyway. It's not like a manager of any real calibre will manage us while we're in the third division.
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posted on 27/8/12
Obviously the start to last season wasn't great getting pumped out of Europe twice and we were all doubting him. To be fair though the SPL form picked up and we were playing some nice stuff until the financial reality started hitting home. Players lost interest/were distracted etc and obviously once admin hit we took a nose dive.
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Sorry, but, some of that is absolute nonsense.You lost a 19 point lead within a 2 month period, whilst unlike Hearts' players, your team were still being paid as normal, with no knowledge of the impending disaster.
Ps,
Rangers' form improved post-admin
posted on 27/8/12
TCD
Do you really think the players didn't know about the impending financial meltdown?? Come on, get real.
And the 19 point gap or whatever that Celtic fans go on about was when Celtic had about 4 games in hand. Yes it was still a comfortable lead but as much as it pains me to say it Celtic's catch up was as much to do with them going on a pretty incredible run of wins as it was to do with Rangers collapse.
Either way my point is it would be very harsh to judge Ally on last season and I saw plenty of positives earlier in the season to show he may have what it takes to be a decent manager.
Much like with Neil Lennon being thrown straight into such a high profile sink or swim job for your first managerial role is never going to be plain sailing.
Celtic could easily and probably justifyably ditched Lennon on a few occasions but have stuck with him, fair play to them and are allowing him to develop.
I hope Rangers do the same as Ally like Lennon has to be given time to learn the job.
Obviously if it gets to the point were it looks like we will struggle to get out of the 3rd division then we may have to get rid, but after 3 games I don't think it's quite time to hit that panic button.
posted on 27/8/12
Seem to remember Super Ally's team playing Celtic off the park at Ibrox last season.
posted on 27/8/12
Aye Hillbilly, but the Celtic team were a team 'still to gel', 'young', 'experimental', 'being built', being affected by 'off-the-field' situations, yadda, yadda, yadda.
posted on 27/8/12
Seem to remember Super Ally's team playing Celtic off the park at Ibrox last season.
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Sally started the season very well, barring the 2 exits to European minnows Domestically, the confidence of nicking that title a few months earlier played a part in the squad morale, then things changed after Steven 'No history there' Naismith got injured and thus thew team started playing poorly, the 15 point lead was squandered and the deed Rangers were already out of the CIS Cup to Falkirk kids, and then a dismal showing against Dundee Utd a few weeks before administration (The 17,000 game If I remember right).
In summary, it was a dreadful season for Super Swally, that can't be reasonably denied.
posted on 27/8/12
Domestically, the confidence of nicking that title a few months earlier played a part in the squad morale
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But I thought Celtic fans think mental issues and team morale are irrelevant in football, after all you lot argued and still argue the 10 points and off-field issues had no negative affect on Rangers team Morale and no positive affect on the Celtic one.
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posted on 27/8/12
In summary, it was a dreadful season for Super Swally, that can't be reasonably denied. ................It was a dreadful season for Super Ally with all he had to contend with and yet was still able to field a team which played Celtic off the park.
posted on 27/8/12
"In summary, it was a dreadful season for Super Swally, that can't be reasonably denied."
It can be reasonably denied.
Its just that tims dont believe it and dont want to listen.
We needed to strengthen in January but couldnt.
We didnt have anyone to replace Naismith with when he got injured, that was a consequence of the two years worth of squad size cutting that had gone on prior to Ally even being anywhere near the hot seat, with a very small number coming in the door in comparison.
The "collapse" that everyone refers to, was 5 poor results, that was it. The old firm game was when Celtic over took us at the top of the table....up to that point, our league form was played 21, won 15, drawn 3, lost 3, a total of 48 points amassed.
In 10-11, a season we won the league, after 21 games we had won 16 games, drawn 2 and lost 3, 50 points amassed
In 09-10, anotehr league title winning season, it was 14 games won, 6 draws and 2 defeats, again 48 points amassed.
In 08-09, again a title winning season, it was 14 games won, 4 draws and 3 defeats, only 46 points amassed.
So for all the talk of the "collapse", it wasnt a collapse at all, it was typical form for us at that stage of the season over the past four seasons.......it was Celtic that were pi$h poor at the start of the season, dropping points in 5 of your first 12 games, that allowed us to open up such a gap......after that you got your finger out, went on a 17 game winning run, dropped points in only 3 more fixtures that season, rightly deserved to win the title because you were by far the better side over the second half of the season, or from about October on whichever way you look at it.....while the full effects of our financial situation took effect, particularly from January 1st onwards
Thats the reality of Ally's "dreadful" season.....we were beaten by a Celtic side that upped their game, and by all means, with a better and bigger squad, paying more in wages and without off field problems, it would have been a joke if you hadnt won the league
Also, to answer a point made earlier about Rangers form being better after administration.....we played 26 matched before admin and lost 3 games, yet after admin we played 12 games and lost four of them.....also, our points to games ratio before admin was 2.35, and after it, it was 1.83 so wtf are you talking about??
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*In 09-10, anotehr league title winning season, it was 14 games won, 6 draws and 2 defeats, again 48 points amassed."
That should read 14 games won, 6 draws and 1 defeat
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McCoist saying he needs to bring in signings of quality. Ally, how much quality do you need to see off part timers?
Pure Riddy
posted on 27/8/12
Spot On OP
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He's a poor manager mate.
posted on 27/8/12
evidently more than he has at the moment
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You've got Scotland internationals and the have took some of the best SPL players in Sandaza & Black, why would you possibly need more quality? What does Ally need, Champions League standard players?
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Your current side should be more than good enough to beat a bunch of Tesco workers.
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"You were tamely knocked out of both European & domestic cups early-on, what is the excuse for that?"
No excuse....not good enough, simple as.
Sometimes thats all it boils down to.....same thing on Sunday......the team just wasnt good enough....thats not always the managers fault tho
It was Ally's first crack at Europe.....and he had taken the team in the cups under Walter and we struggled against teams like Partick and Queen of the South in those campaigns but seen through.
The league had more priority last season, we did very well under Walter to compete on all fronts like we did.......perhaps the eye was taken off the ball with the cups a bit....was still no excuse for going out them all though in the manner we did tho, just not good enough
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