comment by Red Rob (U9808)
posted 1 minute ago
VC
I even told you before the Braga game that Villa away would be tough and we'd need our bigger players for that rather than Braga.
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Villa were not tough, we made it tough for ourselves.
Jesus kid, we had 75% possesion before we went to sleep and conceeded the first goal.
RBW
Again, you're missing the point. Whether any of us supporters are over-confident or not doesn't have any reflection of how the United players themselves are feeling about their opponents.
I have massive confidence in the manager and the United players to be prepared 100% for the game and by hook or by crook win the game.
Could we lose? Of course but 9 times out of 10 we'd win this game and i'm adjusting my expectations accordingly.
If we were playing City away i'd be way more cautious.
comment by duncanedwards_legend (U11713) posted 3 minutes ago
Some of you have a serious attitude problem imo. Answer me this, if you were to put money on this game, would you be backing Norwich or United?
Be honest.
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its not that simple though, its dependant on the team that is chosen.
some people are also too easy to underestimate the opposition.
answer me this, last season, wigan away.. the league in our hands, who would you have put money on, utd or wigan?
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I would have put money on United. Due to the fact that we beat Wigan 4-0 about 6 times in a row. Sure, I would have been wrong on that occasion but so what? If you put money on United to beat Wigan every time then you would be right 9 times out of 10.
Of course it's easy to look back at games we lost and say "see, we lost that game" but we are talking about predictions here.
Like I said, regardless of who plays, I expect us to beat Norwich. If we concede first then the manager will change personnel or whatever and I will be confident of getting a result. FFS we are top of the league. Why the frak should we not be confident of beating Norwich?
I'm not saying we will win. Maybe we will get battered. My point is that, as league leaders there is nothing wrong with being confident going into a league game against lower opposition.
If we lose we lose. But I refuse to predict we will lose just to gain acceptance on Ja606. It is my belief that we will win and I see no reason to be apologetic about being confident about that. And I refuse to believe that all you doom merchants would back Norwich to win this game with your hard earned cash. It seems more likely that people are just so scared of losing that they won't allow themselves to be confident of getting a result for fear of being disappointed. Bunch of pu55ies!
Rwhat you on about.. some actors give terrible
performances and are rightly slated for it.
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And people think I am insulting him because I cannot debate him. The longer you continue "debating" the same thing over and again, you sink to his level.
I would have put money on United. Due to the fact that we beat Wigan 4-0 about 6 times in a row. Sure, I would have been wrong on that occasion but so what? If you put money on United to beat Wigan every time then you would be right 9 times out of 10.
Of course it's easy to look back at games we lost and say "see, we lost that game" but we are talking about predictions here.
Like I said, regardless of who plays, I expect us to beat Norwich. If we concede first then the manager will change personnel or whatever and I will be confident of getting a result. FFS we are top of the league. Why the frak should we not be confident of beating Norwich?
I'm not saying we will win. Maybe we will get battered. My point is that, as league leaders there is nothing wrong with being confident going into a league game against lower opposition.
If we lose we lose. But I refuse to predict we will lose just to gain acceptance on Ja606. It is my belief that we will win and I see no reason to be apologetic about being confident about that. And I refuse to believe that all you doom merchants would back Norwich to win this game with your hard earned cash. It seems more likely that people are just so scared of losing that they won't allow themselves to be confident of getting a result for fear of being disappointed. Bunch of pu55ies!
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^^^^ This ^^^^
We were very unlucky against Wigan anyway. They got a corner when it should have been a goal kick to us and we were denied a blatant penalty.
Yes, that bad luck could happen to us against Norwich this weekend but that happens. Like Redmisty says, 9 out or 10 times we'd have beaten Wigan and would beat Norwich. It's not being 'arrogant' to feel confident of us beating Norwich considering how many times we've won tough games away from home this season.
comment by Redastomatoes- The future is cleverson!! (U12026)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
The sooner people recognise funrobs is an idiot the sooner silly repititive arguments end.
Only idiots underestimates the opposition. Fergie did so last year and we paid the price and he promised not to do so. We were suppose to beat wigan. We were suppose to beat everton. We were supposed to beat athletico, supposed to beat spurs. In all these instances we did not put the best we had out and lost.
It is disturbing that our manager and this idiot think alike.
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What is disturbing is that SAF should know better.
Funrob has an excuse. He is an Aussie.
Tomatoes
You cannot debate. I've never seen a United 'supporter' speak so negatively about a team who have started the season so well.
Have we played great stuff? Not all the time but i'd rather us play badly and win then play well and not get as many points.
You claim to be a long term United 'supporter' so surely you've seen us win leagues with far worse starts than this.
How can you still find a reason to moan about everything and wish injury on players like Giggs?
Spoilt much?
redmisty
If our midfield doesn't consist of either Scholes or Giggs then I am absolutely convinced we will win against not just Norwich, but confident of taking apart any team in the league. This is the point. Our team selection makes a massive difference, as does playing the slowest midfield in the league against fitter, younger players. And before anyone talks about Scholes' passing again I will stand by this sentiment... Scholes will always be a great passer of the ball, even in 5 years time. However, his legs have gone, he can't track back, he can't provide movement and fluidity and offers nothing other than a predictable ball out to Valencia. Like I said, this isn't enough for an all round central midfielder.
I think people have forgot what a proper midfielder is all about.
What is disturbing is that SAF should know better.
Funrob has an excuse. He is an Aussie.
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At least I live in England.
Over where you are you're reduced to watching soccerball and wondering why the goaltender refuses to come out and catch the ball.
That Rawbin Van Persie is such a great offensive goalkicker!
Funrob has an excuse. He is an Aussie.
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redrob
ffs.
I feel confident about beating Norwich, too.
However, I don't think that it doesn't matter what team fergie puts out, what preparation is made this week on the training ground or what formation he plays in order to win it. I don't believe that by just turning up we will win the game because we are who we are. I also don't believe that even if they get a 10 goal start we will still score more goals than them because we are Man United and they are, well.... just Norwich.
If fergie and the players get it wrong we could well lose. Fact.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584) posted 12 minutes ago
Just because we fans can get complacent, it does not mean that the players will be. I trust the manager not to allow that.
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So, you don't think this habit of being two goals down before deciding to play isn't being complacent.
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No I don't. That makes no sense. You think the players, after conceding first 8 or 9 times this season, go into games thinking "this will be a walk in the park?" Do you really think we concede first because players don't try hard enough or think that they just need to turn up?
Also, I already said that we will no doubt make it hard for ourselves. But we have shown the right character to come back and win even when we concede first? Why are people so certain we can't do the same against Norwich?
"United can't just expect to turn up and win games as you are suggesting. Every team deserves respect and a game plan. That arrogance is one or the reasons that other fans hate United. "
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Please re-read my comments. Not once did I say we just need to "turn up". And do you understand the difference between arrogance and confidence?
I don't give a frak if ABUs hate me for being confident. I am not confident every week FFS, I am just confident that we can beat Norwich!
Do you honestly believe that Chelsea or City fans would not be equally confident? Does that make them all arrogant? Strewth, it's not like I said we will batter Barcelona 5-0 is it? All I am saying is that I believe we are good enough to beat Norwich. I did not say we WILL beat Norwich, I just said that I am confident. What's the problem?????
Can you put forward a compelling argument for why I should believe that Norwich will beat us?
I ask you all again....why is it so wrong to be confident of winning a football match? If you had put money on us winning all our matches this season you would be quids in. In fact, you would only have lost your money twice.
Am I missing something here? Why are you all so certain we will lose?
This is a bizarre debate. I honestly can't believe I am having to justify to United fans why I am confident that United can beat Norwich. Very strange.
To be fair to Tomatoes, he is very often positive about the team. He praises our young players on here with regularity and he's actually spot on when talking about the midfield and its apparent problems. Our midfield could be fine but the right players remain stuck on the bench. Our manager just can't seperate from sentimentality and the fact he is persisting with players that are quite clearly not good enough in this system and team is worrying.
Kagawa
Had our wingers, both Young and Valencia played well on Saturday would there have been a problem playing Scholes and Carrick?
We may well have been 3 or 4 nil up with all that possession.
Yes, it was a gamble playing Scholes and Carrick on Saturday (which ultimately paid out) but it would have paid out a lot sooner if Valencia and Young had actually done better with the huge amount of balls they were getting.
comment by Red Rob (U9808)
posted 3 minutes ago
What is disturbing is that SAF should know better.
Funrob has an excuse. He is an Aussie.
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At least I live in England.
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Not quite sure how that helps you kid, please elaborate.
I can ping a beautiful cross field pass straight to the wingers feet 9 times out of ten but only if no one on the opposition tries to close me down, tackle me or slightly moves in my field of vision to distract me.
Also, as I smoke 20 a day and drink like a fish the area of the midfield I can effectively patrol is the same size as my garage.
I reckon I'm in with a shout of a game on Saturday.
anyway whats everyone having for tea??
"comment by RedBlackandWhiteside (U2335) posted 17 minutes ago
*It is not a sign of madness to believe United can lose."
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It is not a sign of arrogance to believe that United can win.
Believe it or not, we actually win more often than we lose.
"comment by Vidicschin (U3584) posted 16 minutes ago
It wasn't complacent going 2-0 down to Villa
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Are you saying it was deliberate?"
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Why are you pretending to be stupid? Are you saying that any goal that is not conceded deliberately must automatically be down to complacency?
VC, I know you are not that stupid so stop being so argumentative.
RBW
This has evolved into a weird argument about nothing!
Our points are generally the same.
You say you're confident about the win as long as the manager and players are well prepared.
I say i'm confident that the players and manager will be well prepared.
After that anything could happen but Sir Alex more than anyone knows how to see these kind of matches out.
Can you put forward a compelling argument for why I should believe that Norwich will beat us?
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not will, but can.
Over where you are you're reduced to watching soccerball and wondering why the goaltender refuses to come out and catch the ball.
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WTF are you blabbering on about you utter buffoon?
I get better football coverage than most of you lot get in the UK.
redmisy
Do you think we were complacent by going two goals down to Villa?
I certainly do. You don't have that much possesion, only to find yourselves two goals down by anything else. Neither of the goals were what I would call unavoidable.
I think people have forgot what a proper midfielder is all about.
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kagawa,
Nobody has gone on about how much we need a midfielder more than I have. I have also been very vocal in saying that Giggs should retire and that Scholes should be used sparingly. And nobody has argued with Rob more than me about the limitations of Carrick.
Doesn't change the fact that I believe we have enough to beat Norwich! And that there is no shame in saying so.
Rob
Yes, the problem remains the same. They are slow, lacking in mobility, leave huge gaps between midfield and defence and midfield and attack, don't press, don't move, can't carry the ball forward into space and make us predictable. Our wingers have been poor, but this doesn't hide the fragility of what I believe is, on an all round attribute basis, one of the worst central midfields in the league. Teams in League 2 managed by a bloke with even the slightest bit of tactical knowledge could get some joy against Scholes and Carrick just by simply running past them in numbers.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584) posted 51 seconds ago
redmisy
Do you think we were complacent by going two goals down to Villa?
I certainly do. You don't have that much possesion, only to find yourselves two goals down by anything else. Neither of the goals were what I would call unavoidable.
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No I don't.
I think we went 2 goals down because the CMs Fergie picked can't defend for sht! I don't believe Carrick and Scholes should play together and I've said so for ages. Nowt to do with complacency though.
Poor defending, lack of cencentration, poor marking - yes. Complacency, no.
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posted on 13/11/12
comment by Red Rob (U9808)
posted 1 minute ago
VC
I even told you before the Braga game that Villa away would be tough and we'd need our bigger players for that rather than Braga.
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Villa were not tough, we made it tough for ourselves.
Jesus kid, we had 75% possesion before we went to sleep and conceeded the first goal.
posted on 13/11/12
RBW
Again, you're missing the point. Whether any of us supporters are over-confident or not doesn't have any reflection of how the United players themselves are feeling about their opponents.
I have massive confidence in the manager and the United players to be prepared 100% for the game and by hook or by crook win the game.
Could we lose? Of course but 9 times out of 10 we'd win this game and i'm adjusting my expectations accordingly.
If we were playing City away i'd be way more cautious.
posted on 13/11/12
comment by duncanedwards_legend (U11713) posted 3 minutes ago
Some of you have a serious attitude problem imo. Answer me this, if you were to put money on this game, would you be backing Norwich or United?
Be honest.
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its not that simple though, its dependant on the team that is chosen.
some people are also too easy to underestimate the opposition.
answer me this, last season, wigan away.. the league in our hands, who would you have put money on, utd or wigan?
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I would have put money on United. Due to the fact that we beat Wigan 4-0 about 6 times in a row. Sure, I would have been wrong on that occasion but so what? If you put money on United to beat Wigan every time then you would be right 9 times out of 10.
Of course it's easy to look back at games we lost and say "see, we lost that game" but we are talking about predictions here.
Like I said, regardless of who plays, I expect us to beat Norwich. If we concede first then the manager will change personnel or whatever and I will be confident of getting a result. FFS we are top of the league. Why the frak should we not be confident of beating Norwich?
I'm not saying we will win. Maybe we will get battered. My point is that, as league leaders there is nothing wrong with being confident going into a league game against lower opposition.
If we lose we lose. But I refuse to predict we will lose just to gain acceptance on Ja606. It is my belief that we will win and I see no reason to be apologetic about being confident about that. And I refuse to believe that all you doom merchants would back Norwich to win this game with your hard earned cash. It seems more likely that people are just so scared of losing that they won't allow themselves to be confident of getting a result for fear of being disappointed. Bunch of pu55ies!
posted on 13/11/12
Rwhat you on about.. some actors give terrible
performances and are rightly slated for it.
******************
And people think I am insulting him because I cannot debate him. The longer you continue "debating" the same thing over and again, you sink to his level.
posted on 13/11/12
I would have put money on United. Due to the fact that we beat Wigan 4-0 about 6 times in a row. Sure, I would have been wrong on that occasion but so what? If you put money on United to beat Wigan every time then you would be right 9 times out of 10.
Of course it's easy to look back at games we lost and say "see, we lost that game" but we are talking about predictions here.
Like I said, regardless of who plays, I expect us to beat Norwich. If we concede first then the manager will change personnel or whatever and I will be confident of getting a result. FFS we are top of the league. Why the frak should we not be confident of beating Norwich?
I'm not saying we will win. Maybe we will get battered. My point is that, as league leaders there is nothing wrong with being confident going into a league game against lower opposition.
If we lose we lose. But I refuse to predict we will lose just to gain acceptance on Ja606. It is my belief that we will win and I see no reason to be apologetic about being confident about that. And I refuse to believe that all you doom merchants would back Norwich to win this game with your hard earned cash. It seems more likely that people are just so scared of losing that they won't allow themselves to be confident of getting a result for fear of being disappointed. Bunch of pu55ies!
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^^^^ This ^^^^
We were very unlucky against Wigan anyway. They got a corner when it should have been a goal kick to us and we were denied a blatant penalty.
Yes, that bad luck could happen to us against Norwich this weekend but that happens. Like Redmisty says, 9 out or 10 times we'd have beaten Wigan and would beat Norwich. It's not being 'arrogant' to feel confident of us beating Norwich considering how many times we've won tough games away from home this season.
posted on 13/11/12
comment by Redastomatoes- The future is cleverson!! (U12026)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
The sooner people recognise funrobs is an idiot the sooner silly repititive arguments end.
Only idiots underestimates the opposition. Fergie did so last year and we paid the price and he promised not to do so. We were suppose to beat wigan. We were suppose to beat everton. We were supposed to beat athletico, supposed to beat spurs. In all these instances we did not put the best we had out and lost.
It is disturbing that our manager and this idiot think alike.
......................................
What is disturbing is that SAF should know better.
Funrob has an excuse. He is an Aussie.
posted on 13/11/12
Tomatoes
You cannot debate. I've never seen a United 'supporter' speak so negatively about a team who have started the season so well.
Have we played great stuff? Not all the time but i'd rather us play badly and win then play well and not get as many points.
You claim to be a long term United 'supporter' so surely you've seen us win leagues with far worse starts than this.
How can you still find a reason to moan about everything and wish injury on players like Giggs?
Spoilt much?
posted on 13/11/12
redmisty
If our midfield doesn't consist of either Scholes or Giggs then I am absolutely convinced we will win against not just Norwich, but confident of taking apart any team in the league. This is the point. Our team selection makes a massive difference, as does playing the slowest midfield in the league against fitter, younger players. And before anyone talks about Scholes' passing again I will stand by this sentiment... Scholes will always be a great passer of the ball, even in 5 years time. However, his legs have gone, he can't track back, he can't provide movement and fluidity and offers nothing other than a predictable ball out to Valencia. Like I said, this isn't enough for an all round central midfielder.
I think people have forgot what a proper midfielder is all about.
posted on 13/11/12
What is disturbing is that SAF should know better.
Funrob has an excuse. He is an Aussie.
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At least I live in England.
Over where you are you're reduced to watching soccerball and wondering why the goaltender refuses to come out and catch the ball.
That Rawbin Van Persie is such a great offensive goalkicker!
posted on 13/11/12
Funrob has an excuse. He is an Aussie.
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posted on 13/11/12
redrob
ffs.
I feel confident about beating Norwich, too.
However, I don't think that it doesn't matter what team fergie puts out, what preparation is made this week on the training ground or what formation he plays in order to win it. I don't believe that by just turning up we will win the game because we are who we are. I also don't believe that even if they get a 10 goal start we will still score more goals than them because we are Man United and they are, well.... just Norwich.
If fergie and the players get it wrong we could well lose. Fact.
posted on 13/11/12
comment by Vidicschin (U3584) posted 12 minutes ago
Just because we fans can get complacent, it does not mean that the players will be. I trust the manager not to allow that.
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So, you don't think this habit of being two goals down before deciding to play isn't being complacent.
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No I don't. That makes no sense. You think the players, after conceding first 8 or 9 times this season, go into games thinking "this will be a walk in the park?" Do you really think we concede first because players don't try hard enough or think that they just need to turn up?
Also, I already said that we will no doubt make it hard for ourselves. But we have shown the right character to come back and win even when we concede first? Why are people so certain we can't do the same against Norwich?
"United can't just expect to turn up and win games as you are suggesting. Every team deserves respect and a game plan. That arrogance is one or the reasons that other fans hate United. "
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Please re-read my comments. Not once did I say we just need to "turn up". And do you understand the difference between arrogance and confidence?
I don't give a frak if ABUs hate me for being confident. I am not confident every week FFS, I am just confident that we can beat Norwich!
Do you honestly believe that Chelsea or City fans would not be equally confident? Does that make them all arrogant? Strewth, it's not like I said we will batter Barcelona 5-0 is it? All I am saying is that I believe we are good enough to beat Norwich. I did not say we WILL beat Norwich, I just said that I am confident. What's the problem?????
Can you put forward a compelling argument for why I should believe that Norwich will beat us?
I ask you all again....why is it so wrong to be confident of winning a football match? If you had put money on us winning all our matches this season you would be quids in. In fact, you would only have lost your money twice.
Am I missing something here? Why are you all so certain we will lose?
This is a bizarre debate. I honestly can't believe I am having to justify to United fans why I am confident that United can beat Norwich. Very strange.
posted on 13/11/12
To be fair to Tomatoes, he is very often positive about the team. He praises our young players on here with regularity and he's actually spot on when talking about the midfield and its apparent problems. Our midfield could be fine but the right players remain stuck on the bench. Our manager just can't seperate from sentimentality and the fact he is persisting with players that are quite clearly not good enough in this system and team is worrying.
posted on 13/11/12
Kagawa
Had our wingers, both Young and Valencia played well on Saturday would there have been a problem playing Scholes and Carrick?
We may well have been 3 or 4 nil up with all that possession.
Yes, it was a gamble playing Scholes and Carrick on Saturday (which ultimately paid out) but it would have paid out a lot sooner if Valencia and Young had actually done better with the huge amount of balls they were getting.
posted on 13/11/12
comment by Red Rob (U9808)
posted 3 minutes ago
What is disturbing is that SAF should know better.
Funrob has an excuse. He is an Aussie.
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At least I live in England.
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Not quite sure how that helps you kid, please elaborate.
posted on 13/11/12
I can ping a beautiful cross field pass straight to the wingers feet 9 times out of ten but only if no one on the opposition tries to close me down, tackle me or slightly moves in my field of vision to distract me.
Also, as I smoke 20 a day and drink like a fish the area of the midfield I can effectively patrol is the same size as my garage.
I reckon I'm in with a shout of a game on Saturday.
posted on 13/11/12
anyway whats everyone having for tea??
posted on 13/11/12
"comment by RedBlackandWhiteside (U2335) posted 17 minutes ago
*It is not a sign of madness to believe United can lose."
__________________
It is not a sign of arrogance to believe that United can win.
Believe it or not, we actually win more often than we lose.
"comment by Vidicschin (U3584) posted 16 minutes ago
It wasn't complacent going 2-0 down to Villa
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Are you saying it was deliberate?"
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Why are you pretending to be stupid? Are you saying that any goal that is not conceded deliberately must automatically be down to complacency?
VC, I know you are not that stupid so stop being so argumentative.
posted on 13/11/12
RBW
This has evolved into a weird argument about nothing!
Our points are generally the same.
You say you're confident about the win as long as the manager and players are well prepared.
I say i'm confident that the players and manager will be well prepared.
After that anything could happen but Sir Alex more than anyone knows how to see these kind of matches out.
posted on 13/11/12
Can you put forward a compelling argument for why I should believe that Norwich will beat us?
***
not will, but can.
posted on 13/11/12
Over where you are you're reduced to watching soccerball and wondering why the goaltender refuses to come out and catch the ball.
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WTF are you blabbering on about you utter buffoon?
I get better football coverage than most of you lot get in the UK.
posted on 13/11/12
redmisy
Do you think we were complacent by going two goals down to Villa?
I certainly do. You don't have that much possesion, only to find yourselves two goals down by anything else. Neither of the goals were what I would call unavoidable.
posted on 13/11/12
I think people have forgot what a proper midfielder is all about.
__________________
kagawa,
Nobody has gone on about how much we need a midfielder more than I have. I have also been very vocal in saying that Giggs should retire and that Scholes should be used sparingly. And nobody has argued with Rob more than me about the limitations of Carrick.
Doesn't change the fact that I believe we have enough to beat Norwich! And that there is no shame in saying so.
posted on 13/11/12
Rob
Yes, the problem remains the same. They are slow, lacking in mobility, leave huge gaps between midfield and defence and midfield and attack, don't press, don't move, can't carry the ball forward into space and make us predictable. Our wingers have been poor, but this doesn't hide the fragility of what I believe is, on an all round attribute basis, one of the worst central midfields in the league. Teams in League 2 managed by a bloke with even the slightest bit of tactical knowledge could get some joy against Scholes and Carrick just by simply running past them in numbers.
posted on 13/11/12
comment by Vidicschin (U3584) posted 51 seconds ago
redmisy
Do you think we were complacent by going two goals down to Villa?
I certainly do. You don't have that much possesion, only to find yourselves two goals down by anything else. Neither of the goals were what I would call unavoidable.
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No I don't.
I think we went 2 goals down because the CMs Fergie picked can't defend for sht! I don't believe Carrick and Scholes should play together and I've said so for ages. Nowt to do with complacency though.
Poor defending, lack of cencentration, poor marking - yes. Complacency, no.
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