Grand, you know I respect your opinion but this personal vendetta is getting boring..
comment by grandspurs (U3810)
posted 4 weeks ago
Bales
I know that but no matter what is said I dont and never will like AVB. I might learn to respect him (the difference will totally defeat most on here)...
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So you might learn to respect our manager.. it's your right but don't try to dress it up as if we're wrong for getting behind him while you refuse to regardless of what happens on the pitch.
(that comment was taken from the match thread after we beat Fulham 0-3)
"The only other 2 teams to fail to score in a home game against Stoke this season are pool and villa"
We haven't played Stoke at home, have we?
If it weren't for a couple of last minute defensive errors, we would be comfortably in 3rd with AVB. This being with all the injuries and personel changes that harry never had during his best year. We cant blame the last minute concessions purely on AVB's style.
I'm going to write the arsenal game off as a blip as ade going off when he did changed the game massively.
its halfway through the season and we've had some strange results. Lets judge at the end of the season when the hes had a good run with his defenders back.
AVB is does much more on the training pitch unlike Harry's run around a bit.
Our players are performing better now then they did under Harry, Bale has scored 9 in 16 when last season he got 9 in 36, Defoe has 10 in 19 where he had 11 in 25 last season and them two have improved without the likes of Modric and VDV.
The team is much better, we are gradually performing better as the season goes on but for me I am enjoying how we play, we take control of the game and pass the ball round nicely
Psshhh
All things considered, and bearing in mind a poor start, how can anyone argue that at the moment avb is doing a poor job?! It's just clearly not the case. All this talk about arsenal had a bad start and are just behind us is meaningless if you then go on to compare it to last season. Last season both arsenal and Chelsea were a total joke. Arsenal still managed to finish above is though, which says it all really.
There is no doubt that things are improving. Given time I think avb will be a massive success and at spurs for a long time. He should not be fully judged until he has assembled his own team, although even with the team as it is, I think that he is doing well.
This is still rolling on from start of the season where there were 2 little camps made the blindly positives and the blindly negatives.
Each team are desperate that their guesswork will be proven right
That's one way of looking at it Messiah.. from the comfort of a fence.
This is about opinion, I have oft repeated my opinion that although he wasn't my first choice the appointment made sense. A young, ambitious manager with a point to prove and full of ideas suits where we are as a club. The doubters seemingly cling to his time at Chelsea as reason that it won't work.
You're right - no-one can be sure if it'll work out.. so what's the point in being fecking miserable all the time? Aside from anything it gets boring. I suspect there is a degree of causal racism amongst fans who will never like AVB whatever he achieves with us.
thats the thing. people didn't want him because of his supposed failure at chelsea.
firstly chelsea are just a ridiculous club when it comes to managers. look at the people they have sacked. avb wasn't ready for the ruthlessness of the chelsea job, coupled with being a young manager at a club of players who run the show, he didn't have a chance.
at spurs he is respected by both the players and the board. its a shame only some of the fans respect him but in time he will win the doubters over.
all this we don't play as good football is a lazy argument.
we have had some thrillers this season !! our home form has overall been poor, but i cannot think of a single manager that we have had where we have looked lethargic trying to break sides down at home. we had absolutely loads of those games under redknapp, who apparently had us playing superb football.
the side also benefits from not having a manager who talks utter bollocs in the press. one minute the team were told that they were title contenders, the next minute they were punching above their weight to get into the top 4. they didn't know if they were coming or going.
i meant where we *havent looked lethargic
Chronic
Past performances aside, past triffic managers respected.. the reason this debate lingers on despite us doing well and despite AVB doing pretty much everything the fans expect of him is because they don't like him.
Simple as. At least Grand is man enough to admit it. A few on the Chelsea board are the same with Benitez - he could win them the league and they'd still want him gone.
Hate him if you like but don't try and make it into a football debate while the whole world can see he's doing a good job. For now at least
What have i missed here ?
Grandspurs not in the christmas spirit i see
All i have ever said whenever we have won or lost is give the guy a chance and judge him in a yrs time
Im happy the club are taking a risk rather than standing still. Harry won us nothing and as a fan i want the club to win things
whoi knows if he will be the best manager we ever have or the worst but he has my full backing and support as a Tottenham fan of 34 yrs
I have never read such a load of nonsense on any article ever. Of course Spurs are picking up points against the lower half of the table, that is what most of the top teams do. Didn`t United win the title one year despite taking hardly any points of the teams around them.
How you pick up the points is irrelevant. Do you think United worry how many points they pick up from the cannon fodder? The article is completely negative and fails at all to mention only United have scored more goals or have actually won more games. Grumpy I think your boring the pants of everybody now with your anti AVB agenda.
grandspurs
I wonder how many of thes AVB supporters are willing to gamble a couple of hundred quid on us taking 4th place ?
For the record I had a sizeable bet on Spurs finish top four before a ball was kicked, so don`t brand us all as sit on the fence merchants like yourself, and then when the season has finished, come out and say I told you so.
Grandspur, you can sit there and say these teams were extremely poor and we kept a clean sheet because of this all you want but winning 4-0 away from home against prem opposition is an excellent result regardless of how poor the other team is/was. Villa park is hardly an easy ground to go to and we smashed them to pieces 4-0. We also smashed fulham 3-0 at craven cottage who are usually absolutely superb at home. I think even if AVB had us battling for the title you would still find some way to post a negative about something so in all i don't think you will ever warm to him because you are so stubborn in you're views and so commited for you to be proven correct when infact so far like i keep telling you........you and the likes of chicken are so far wrong on you're opinions because so far AVB is doing a very good job. I said he would do at the start and i backed him from the start because i felt he was a very good manager but got a rough deal at the wrong club chelsea.
Noticed i said "so far" in my last post. Meaning there is a possibility things could go t its up 2nd half of the season and AVB could end up doing a bad job overall and then you can come on here all you like and say "i told you so" ......Until then you are currently being proven wrong so just admit it mate.
comment by sandy_brown (U13619)
The article is completely negative and fails at all to mention only United have scored more goals or have actually won more games.
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Why would he mention it ? It's not true...................Have you been sniffing the sherry bottle again?
as things stand AVB is doing well.
the evidence for this is that the media, who had the knives out, and didn't like him at all, have totally left him alone, and are even starting to be positive.
we all know about the media in this country, once they have an agenda, they keep on digging until the grave is ready.
but they have completely left him alone.
even that stupid idiot adrian durham hasn't been making fun of him as much.
infact i am looking forward to the end of the season when spurs finish in a good position and peterborough go down to call up and have a nice long gloat about how he said that we would finish mid table.
complete and utter idiot.
chaz.. i think sandy is talking about away games... in which case it is true
Chaz
Why would he mention it ? It's not true...................
If you can find anybody other than United that have won more then 10 games, then it is you that have been sniffing at the sherry. I did actually mean away games. But overall only United have won more. Chelsea have won the same as Spurs, but that is not more.
Just for the record the manager that is lauded as one of the best in the country David Moyes has failed to beat these teams this season
Stoke
Man City
Arsenal
Norwich
Reading
Fulham
Liverpool
QPR
Wigan
Leeds
Newcastle
WBA
And also failed to win at Wigan
So that obviously makes Moyes a failure as well does it?
It`s the easiest thing in the world to look at negatives like Grumpy does.
Chronic - Bayern Hotspur are back baby!!
even that stupid idiot adrian durham
Durham said QPR were going to finish above Spurs once Harry arrived, and all our players ere going to leave for the Bush. What a total utter plank.
"Have any of you looked at a league table lately ?"
And have you looked at the PL stats lately ??
Exactly as far behind the Mancs as 12 months ago.
Second best form over the past 8 games (only bettered by Man Utd) .
Three consecutive PL clean sheets (never achieved at all last season) .
Something is going on, and it appears to have moved beyond the realms of chance ...
As for the discussion itself, you guys really need to give it a rest...
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I will give it a rest when the AVB lovers stop trying to ram him down my throat
If i said to you before that we would be 4th on the 29th Decemeber then you would be well happy
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Thats not true Don, I would think exactly as I do now as in "who have we played" etc etc.
What is the aim of this article? To help us realise were not Barcelona?
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Nope to prove to the AVB lovers that he has done nothing yet to be considered suitable for the job and sorry but facts can be a downer thats called LIFE.
Grand, you know I respect your opinion but this personal vendetta is getting boring..
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This is no vendetta its an effort to make the "AVB is wonderful brigade" realise he has not done as well as our league position at this moment in time has suggested.
it's your right but don't try to dress it up as if we're wrong for getting behind him while you refuse to regardless of what happens on the pitch
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I have still to learn exactly what "getting behind the manager" consists of ? I still paid for my ST, I still cheer the team on, I never boo at games. Ig "getting behind the manager" means being blind and thinking he is something he is not then you are right that will never happen.
We haven't played Stoke at home, have we?
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That does not even warrant an answer
Lets judge at the end of the season when the hes had a good run with his defenders back.
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Would you also tell that to the posters that are telling me how great he is and how wrong I am please
so what's the point in being fecking miserable all the time
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Who is miserable ? Because I am not happy after a game do you really think it makes me miserable ? FFS I have supported Spurs thru so many bad times I have learned not to let it get me down
all this we don't play as good football is a lazy argument.
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Did I mention pattern of play or Harry ?
All i have ever said whenever we have won or lost is give the guy a chance and judge him in a yrs time
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Can you tell that to the likes if sindy who tell us he is already a success ?
you and the likes of chicken are so far wrong on you're opinions because so far AVB is doing a very good job
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Don sorry but the FACTS indicate he is doing average at best but I will agree the result at Fulham was a good result even tho they are on a bad run of form. The villa result actually proved just how bad they are thats all
Enjoy todays game people
I will give it a rest when the AVB lovers stop trying to ram him down my throat
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That is an odd position to take, and along with your personal dislike of the manager, it devalues your stance unfortunately. It's an odd character trait (and one not limited to yourself) that people can't praise our manager without you seeing it as some affront to your opinion.
Objective articles on our performance so far show that we're doing well compared to previous seasons, that our results against the same teams last season are pretty much the same - some would argue better. Certainly there are very few hard facts that prove we're doing any worse than we have in recently. A lot will depend on the tail end of the season that Harry ballsed up so spectacularly.
A subjective article would be much better received, although it would still be contentious based on the fact that the majority of fans on here think that he's doing a good job. (based on a recent poll article)
The reason I felt the need to comment here was the conflict you created by attempting to mix the objective "facts" with your opinion that "it's hardly awe inspiring stuff" etc. I would ask what do you expect? It seems as if you expect us to get better results than Harry did, while playing beautiful football.. against a backdrop of making a profit in the transfer market.
I put it to you that you are incapable of being truly the objective because you don't like the guy. Your expectations are unrealistic, that our performances are improving and the results are on par to achieve our target. Top 4 is the benchmark and if we keep improving and getting results as we have been we'll get there.
If we don't fair enough, but without a comparable playing squad (it's obvious we're missing a striker and midfielder) the judgement on the manager will remain harsh. Levy should probably be the focus of your frustrations, but then I guess you like him..
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posted on 29/12/12
Grand, you know I respect your opinion but this personal vendetta is getting boring..
comment by grandspurs (U3810)
posted 4 weeks ago
Bales
I know that but no matter what is said I dont and never will like AVB. I might learn to respect him (the difference will totally defeat most on here)...
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So you might learn to respect our manager.. it's your right but don't try to dress it up as if we're wrong for getting behind him while you refuse to regardless of what happens on the pitch.
(that comment was taken from the match thread after we beat Fulham 0-3)
posted on 29/12/12
"The only other 2 teams to fail to score in a home game against Stoke this season are pool and villa"
We haven't played Stoke at home, have we?
posted on 29/12/12
If it weren't for a couple of last minute defensive errors, we would be comfortably in 3rd with AVB. This being with all the injuries and personel changes that harry never had during his best year. We cant blame the last minute concessions purely on AVB's style.
I'm going to write the arsenal game off as a blip as ade going off when he did changed the game massively.
its halfway through the season and we've had some strange results. Lets judge at the end of the season when the hes had a good run with his defenders back.
posted on 29/12/12
AVB is does much more on the training pitch unlike Harry's run around a bit.
Our players are performing better now then they did under Harry, Bale has scored 9 in 16 when last season he got 9 in 36, Defoe has 10 in 19 where he had 11 in 25 last season and them two have improved without the likes of Modric and VDV.
The team is much better, we are gradually performing better as the season goes on but for me I am enjoying how we play, we take control of the game and pass the ball round nicely
posted on 29/12/12
Psshhh
All things considered, and bearing in mind a poor start, how can anyone argue that at the moment avb is doing a poor job?! It's just clearly not the case. All this talk about arsenal had a bad start and are just behind us is meaningless if you then go on to compare it to last season. Last season both arsenal and Chelsea were a total joke. Arsenal still managed to finish above is though, which says it all really.
There is no doubt that things are improving. Given time I think avb will be a massive success and at spurs for a long time. He should not be fully judged until he has assembled his own team, although even with the team as it is, I think that he is doing well.
posted on 29/12/12
This is still rolling on from start of the season where there were 2 little camps made the blindly positives and the blindly negatives.
Each team are desperate that their guesswork will be proven right
posted on 29/12/12
That's one way of looking at it Messiah.. from the comfort of a fence.
This is about opinion, I have oft repeated my opinion that although he wasn't my first choice the appointment made sense. A young, ambitious manager with a point to prove and full of ideas suits where we are as a club. The doubters seemingly cling to his time at Chelsea as reason that it won't work.
You're right - no-one can be sure if it'll work out.. so what's the point in being fecking miserable all the time? Aside from anything it gets boring. I suspect there is a degree of causal racism amongst fans who will never like AVB whatever he achieves with us.
posted on 29/12/12
thats the thing. people didn't want him because of his supposed failure at chelsea.
firstly chelsea are just a ridiculous club when it comes to managers. look at the people they have sacked. avb wasn't ready for the ruthlessness of the chelsea job, coupled with being a young manager at a club of players who run the show, he didn't have a chance.
at spurs he is respected by both the players and the board. its a shame only some of the fans respect him but in time he will win the doubters over.
all this we don't play as good football is a lazy argument.
we have had some thrillers this season !! our home form has overall been poor, but i cannot think of a single manager that we have had where we have looked lethargic trying to break sides down at home. we had absolutely loads of those games under redknapp, who apparently had us playing superb football.
the side also benefits from not having a manager who talks utter bollocs in the press. one minute the team were told that they were title contenders, the next minute they were punching above their weight to get into the top 4. they didn't know if they were coming or going.
posted on 29/12/12
i meant where we *havent looked lethargic
posted on 29/12/12
Chronic
Past performances aside, past triffic managers respected.. the reason this debate lingers on despite us doing well and despite AVB doing pretty much everything the fans expect of him is because they don't like him.
Simple as. At least Grand is man enough to admit it. A few on the Chelsea board are the same with Benitez - he could win them the league and they'd still want him gone.
Hate him if you like but don't try and make it into a football debate while the whole world can see he's doing a good job. For now at least
posted on 29/12/12
What have i missed here ?
Grandspurs not in the christmas spirit i see
All i have ever said whenever we have won or lost is give the guy a chance and judge him in a yrs time
Im happy the club are taking a risk rather than standing still. Harry won us nothing and as a fan i want the club to win things
whoi knows if he will be the best manager we ever have or the worst but he has my full backing and support as a Tottenham fan of 34 yrs
posted on 29/12/12
I have never read such a load of nonsense on any article ever. Of course Spurs are picking up points against the lower half of the table, that is what most of the top teams do. Didn`t United win the title one year despite taking hardly any points of the teams around them.
How you pick up the points is irrelevant. Do you think United worry how many points they pick up from the cannon fodder? The article is completely negative and fails at all to mention only United have scored more goals or have actually won more games. Grumpy I think your boring the pants of everybody now with your anti AVB agenda.
posted on 29/12/12
grandspurs
I wonder how many of thes AVB supporters are willing to gamble a couple of hundred quid on us taking 4th place ?
For the record I had a sizeable bet on Spurs finish top four before a ball was kicked, so don`t brand us all as sit on the fence merchants like yourself, and then when the season has finished, come out and say I told you so.
posted on 29/12/12
Grandspur, you can sit there and say these teams were extremely poor and we kept a clean sheet because of this all you want but winning 4-0 away from home against prem opposition is an excellent result regardless of how poor the other team is/was. Villa park is hardly an easy ground to go to and we smashed them to pieces 4-0. We also smashed fulham 3-0 at craven cottage who are usually absolutely superb at home. I think even if AVB had us battling for the title you would still find some way to post a negative about something so in all i don't think you will ever warm to him because you are so stubborn in you're views and so commited for you to be proven correct when infact so far like i keep telling you........you and the likes of chicken are so far wrong on you're opinions because so far AVB is doing a very good job. I said he would do at the start and i backed him from the start because i felt he was a very good manager but got a rough deal at the wrong club chelsea.
posted on 29/12/12
Noticed i said "so far" in my last post. Meaning there is a possibility things could go t its up 2nd half of the season and AVB could end up doing a bad job overall and then you can come on here all you like and say "i told you so" ......Until then you are currently being proven wrong so just admit it mate.
posted on 29/12/12
comment by sandy_brown (U13619)
The article is completely negative and fails at all to mention only United have scored more goals or have actually won more games.
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Why would he mention it ? It's not true...................Have you been sniffing the sherry bottle again?
posted on 29/12/12
as things stand AVB is doing well.
the evidence for this is that the media, who had the knives out, and didn't like him at all, have totally left him alone, and are even starting to be positive.
we all know about the media in this country, once they have an agenda, they keep on digging until the grave is ready.
but they have completely left him alone.
even that stupid idiot adrian durham hasn't been making fun of him as much.
infact i am looking forward to the end of the season when spurs finish in a good position and peterborough go down to call up and have a nice long gloat about how he said that we would finish mid table.
complete and utter idiot.
posted on 29/12/12
chaz.. i think sandy is talking about away games... in which case it is true
posted on 29/12/12
I stand corrected
posted on 29/12/12
Chaz
Why would he mention it ? It's not true...................
If you can find anybody other than United that have won more then 10 games, then it is you that have been sniffing at the sherry. I did actually mean away games. But overall only United have won more. Chelsea have won the same as Spurs, but that is not more.
posted on 29/12/12
Just for the record the manager that is lauded as one of the best in the country David Moyes has failed to beat these teams this season
Stoke
Man City
Arsenal
Norwich
Reading
Fulham
Liverpool
QPR
Wigan
Leeds
Newcastle
WBA
And also failed to win at Wigan
So that obviously makes Moyes a failure as well does it?
It`s the easiest thing in the world to look at negatives like Grumpy does.
posted on 29/12/12
Chronic - Bayern Hotspur are back baby!!
even that stupid idiot adrian durham
Durham said QPR were going to finish above Spurs once Harry arrived, and all our players ere going to leave for the Bush. What a total utter plank.
posted on 29/12/12
"Have any of you looked at a league table lately ?"
And have you looked at the PL stats lately ??
Exactly as far behind the Mancs as 12 months ago.
Second best form over the past 8 games (only bettered by Man Utd) .
Three consecutive PL clean sheets (never achieved at all last season) .
Something is going on, and it appears to have moved beyond the realms of chance ...
posted on 29/12/12
As for the discussion itself, you guys really need to give it a rest...
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I will give it a rest when the AVB lovers stop trying to ram him down my throat
If i said to you before that we would be 4th on the 29th Decemeber then you would be well happy
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Thats not true Don, I would think exactly as I do now as in "who have we played" etc etc.
What is the aim of this article? To help us realise were not Barcelona?
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Nope to prove to the AVB lovers that he has done nothing yet to be considered suitable for the job and sorry but facts can be a downer thats called LIFE.
Grand, you know I respect your opinion but this personal vendetta is getting boring..
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This is no vendetta its an effort to make the "AVB is wonderful brigade" realise he has not done as well as our league position at this moment in time has suggested.
it's your right but don't try to dress it up as if we're wrong for getting behind him while you refuse to regardless of what happens on the pitch
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I have still to learn exactly what "getting behind the manager" consists of ? I still paid for my ST, I still cheer the team on, I never boo at games. Ig "getting behind the manager" means being blind and thinking he is something he is not then you are right that will never happen.
We haven't played Stoke at home, have we?
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That does not even warrant an answer
Lets judge at the end of the season when the hes had a good run with his defenders back.
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Would you also tell that to the posters that are telling me how great he is and how wrong I am please
so what's the point in being fecking miserable all the time
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Who is miserable ? Because I am not happy after a game do you really think it makes me miserable ? FFS I have supported Spurs thru so many bad times I have learned not to let it get me down
all this we don't play as good football is a lazy argument.
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Did I mention pattern of play or Harry ?
All i have ever said whenever we have won or lost is give the guy a chance and judge him in a yrs time
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Can you tell that to the likes if sindy who tell us he is already a success ?
you and the likes of chicken are so far wrong on you're opinions because so far AVB is doing a very good job
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Don sorry but the FACTS indicate he is doing average at best but I will agree the result at Fulham was a good result even tho they are on a bad run of form. The villa result actually proved just how bad they are thats all
Enjoy todays game people
posted on 29/12/12
I will give it a rest when the AVB lovers stop trying to ram him down my throat
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That is an odd position to take, and along with your personal dislike of the manager, it devalues your stance unfortunately. It's an odd character trait (and one not limited to yourself) that people can't praise our manager without you seeing it as some affront to your opinion.
Objective articles on our performance so far show that we're doing well compared to previous seasons, that our results against the same teams last season are pretty much the same - some would argue better. Certainly there are very few hard facts that prove we're doing any worse than we have in recently. A lot will depend on the tail end of the season that Harry ballsed up so spectacularly.
A subjective article would be much better received, although it would still be contentious based on the fact that the majority of fans on here think that he's doing a good job. (based on a recent poll article)
The reason I felt the need to comment here was the conflict you created by attempting to mix the objective "facts" with your opinion that "it's hardly awe inspiring stuff" etc. I would ask what do you expect? It seems as if you expect us to get better results than Harry did, while playing beautiful football.. against a backdrop of making a profit in the transfer market.
I put it to you that you are incapable of being truly the objective because you don't like the guy. Your expectations are unrealistic, that our performances are improving and the results are on par to achieve our target. Top 4 is the benchmark and if we keep improving and getting results as we have been we'll get there.
If we don't fair enough, but without a comparable playing squad (it's obvious we're missing a striker and midfielder) the judgement on the manager will remain harsh. Levy should probably be the focus of your frustrations, but then I guess you like him..
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