Do you have any evidence to support your baseless claims that he's sulking at Arsenal?
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What do you think retiring at 31 means?
How about the fact that he was on his way back to Zenit before he called all Russian supporters idiots for expecting Russia to do well?
Cesc is having the same issues at
Barca. But he isn't sulking. He
tries his best whenever he is
called upon. And maybe he will
get fed up and move.
But Arshavin never did that. That
makes him worse than Reyes in
my opinion. Arshavin was happy
to take millions from fans and do
nothing. In fact he made it
impossible to transfer him
anywhere by showing the
contempt he had for his own
supporters.
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Spot on. He was unsellable due to how pathetic he was. Batmanu, in his usual rabid anti-Wenger stance, laughably tried to portray it as Arshavin "honouring" his contract.
What do you think retiring at 31 means?
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Well firstly this is a rumour and is unconfirmed. Secondly he is out of contract at the end of the season anyway and is free to move. He can go anywhere and pick up a healthy pay check or in a club suited to him. If he was sulking at his treatment of Arsenal, surely he would be looking forwards to leaving Arsenal and rebuilding his career elsewhere?
I haven't a clue why you mentioned the Russians fans. It bares no mark on the discussion we're having now.
I remember people saying we have to trust Arshavin because he can create something out of nothing but in his last 2 years at the club when did he do this. I remember getting frustrated with seeing players like walcott on the bench when arshavin wasnt performing.
When we had a line up of nasri and theo on the wings we looked better
In the last two years Arshavin hasn't been given the oppurtunity to do anything.
i meant in his last two years in the first team including sub appearances
Anyway, it doesn't matter anymore. In 3 months time, Arshavin will no longer be our problem. We'll no longer be burden by his wage and hopefully Wenger will not make a similar expensive mistake again.
If he was sulking at his treatment of Arsenal, surely he would be looking forwards to leaving Arsenal and rebuilding his career elsewhere?
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How do you come to that conclusion? If Arshavin was a fighter and NOT sulking he would be doing just that! Fighting for his career elsewhere. Instead he is just giving up. Don't you see thats a personality that isn't bothered? What is that if not a sulk?
I haven't a clue why you mentioned the Russians fans. It bares no mark on the discussion we're having now.
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Because it reflects on his personality. Don't you see. Footballers love of the game is driven by the fans. By the fans adoration of the players. Their names sung on the terraces.
How many times have we had articles of why its bad to boo? The point is that if the players don't care about fans, they really aren't going to care about the game or try harder to prove themselves. It doesn't matter if they play in their ideal position or not.
The 'playing out of position' excuse is nonsense, as well. Arshavin said that the left of a front three is one of his most comfortable positions. As Arseblog put it, he's a forward being played in a forward position. He's not being asked to play fullback. He's a lazy player who never improved his game and turned down chances to play elsewhere in favour of sitting around at Arsenal, not even on the bench.
Not sure who was more a waste of money, Arshavin or Wiltord?
How do you come to that conclusion? If Arshavin was a fighter and NOT sulking he would be doing just that! Fighting for his career elsewhere. Instead he is just giving up. Don't you see thats a personality that isn't bothered? What is that if not a sulk?
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Its not confirmed yet but if so you made assumption and speculate about his motives to retire.
Not sure who was more a waste of money, Arshavin or Wiltord?
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Wiltord
"Haha, you gotta laugh at the armchair managers. Always wondered why if they were so great at dissecting Wenger's flaws, they aren't managing a side at the highest level. Arshavin has played on the left for much of his pre-Arsenal career. He was never exclusively a central playmaker. By far his best spell for Arsenal came on the left and no one was complaining about Wenger playing him out of position. The player himself never complained and states it as one of his best positions. Please, stop this apologist nonsense. A player with a passing success rate in the 60's shouldn't be playing in the centre for any reason at all.
Kudos though for knowing so much more than Wenger having gained first hand experience from working with our players."
It is ironic that you are calling people an armchair manager when you have been one of his biggest critics, or is it now that we have got a few wins you are going to be fickle and start calling him a genius again? You are wrong about Arshavin's best form being on the left, in his first 6 months he played central and looked the best player in England. Then the next season we changed our formation and the rest is history. Obviously Arshavin is to blame for being out of shape but anybody who denies his decline started when Wenger started playing him out wide is either blind, an apologist, or a retárd. That's it, you can only be one of those 3 things. The irony is most of the people on this article were saying 2 years ago how awful Rosicky was and as soon as Wenger took his head out of his ass and moved Rosicky central he became a key member of our squad. But no, playing somebody in their favored position would neeeeeeeeeever work, would it?
Id say Theo plays worse in his favored position lol though still plays good there
"The same way his tactical limitations doomed Henry, Ljunberg, Overmars, Anelka, RVP, Cesc, Nasri or Pires' careers or rescued the flailing career of Bergkamp? The same way his limitations made Adebayor look world class?"
What about the same limitations that led to Eboué being booed off the pitch for his performance at LEFT WING? What about the loss of form from our captain who has spent half his post injury career at left back? What about the destruction of promising careers such as our striker Bendtner, who spent most of his career out wide, or attacking minded Brazillian who played as a holding player, or a man currently on the books, Podolski, who is going down the same route as Arshavin? No, not possible is it? Everything Wenger touches turns to gold and if it doesn't it is because the things he touches just don't want to be gold, they want to be useless sacks of shít
You
are wrong about Arshavin's best
form being on the left, in his first
6 months he played central and
looked the best player in England.
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Really? So where was Cesc playing? Arshavin always operated wide of a front 3. Don't know where you're getting that from.
Wenger is an experienced manager. He is responsible for all what happen on the pitch. If he doesnt see in which position the player is best in and fullfill his potential which AA surely has there is no doubt about that then Wenger is responsible.
AA played best in the middle of the park for Arsenal for what reason ever. I dont think that Wenger gave AA enough chances to start there. When AA got a chance he was used on the wing and Wenger hoped of a miracles.
Bats: Poldi didnt play out of position though but I agree why not try to do different to help him to regain form after an injury. Poldi has to play against Norwich.
Does he really? A player carrying an injury that needs surgery that has been postponed to the end of the season to enable him get us through the season should only play when it is ABSOLUTELY necessary.
"It is ironic that you are calling
people an armchair manager
when you have been one of his
biggest critics, or is it now that
we have got a few wins you are
going to be fickle and start
calling him a genius again?"
I've been a long time Wenger critic. I just don't let fair criticism deteriorate to a rabid level where I have to try to distort every situation to make it a fault of Wenger. I still recognize his competence even with his shortcomings and I don't have to portray him as being a clueless clown.
"his decline started when Wenger
started playing him out wide"
This is a blatant falsehood for the simple reason he had a great 6 months out on left when he arrived. Arshavin was never a central playmaker at the time. We usually deployed the combination of Denilson, Diaby and Fabregas.
"The irony
is most of the people on this
article were saying 2 years ago
how awful Rosicky was and as
soon as Wenger took his head
out of his ass and moved Rosicky
central he became a key member
of our squad. But no, playing
somebody in their favored
position would neeeeeeeeeever
work, would it?"
What are you on about? Since we ditched the 4-4-2 in the 07/08 season, Rosicky has almost always played in a midfield 3. Rosicky simply improved after an extended period of fitness. It's got diddly squat to do with switching his position.
Ironically, some of Rosicky's best form for us came with him out wide in a 4-4-2 in the 07/08 season. That nullifies the Rosicky argument entirely.
True. Rosicky played best wide in a 442 formation.
"his decline started when Wenger
started playing him out wide"
This is a blatant falsehood for the simple reason he had a great 6 months out on left when he arrived. Arshavin was never a central playmaker at the time. We usually deployed the combination of Denilson, Diaby and Fabregas.
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That is my point. When you see a player didnt fullfill his potential on the wing and he has far better performances in the middle why dont try something different then to help him to regain confidence and form.
I've been a long time Wenger critic. I just don't let fair criticism deteriorate to a rabid level where I have to try to distort every situation to make it a fault of Wenger. I still recognize his competence even with his shortcomings and I don't have to portray him as being a clueless clown.
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This is the worst thing about most of the wenger out types on this board. Sure, reasonable criticism is great, but this kind of nonsense - blaming him for anything and everything and ignoring logic to do so - is pathetic.
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posted on 10/4/13
Do you have any evidence to support your baseless claims that he's sulking at Arsenal?
-----------------------
What do you think retiring at 31 means?
How about the fact that he was on his way back to Zenit before he called all Russian supporters idiots for expecting Russia to do well?
posted on 10/4/13
Cesc is having the same issues at
Barca. But he isn't sulking. He
tries his best whenever he is
called upon. And maybe he will
get fed up and move.
But Arshavin never did that. That
makes him worse than Reyes in
my opinion. Arshavin was happy
to take millions from fans and do
nothing. In fact he made it
impossible to transfer him
anywhere by showing the
contempt he had for his own
supporters.
---------
Spot on. He was unsellable due to how pathetic he was. Batmanu, in his usual rabid anti-Wenger stance, laughably tried to portray it as Arshavin "honouring" his contract.
posted on 10/4/13
What do you think retiring at 31 means?
-------------------------
Well firstly this is a rumour and is unconfirmed. Secondly he is out of contract at the end of the season anyway and is free to move. He can go anywhere and pick up a healthy pay check or in a club suited to him. If he was sulking at his treatment of Arsenal, surely he would be looking forwards to leaving Arsenal and rebuilding his career elsewhere?
I haven't a clue why you mentioned the Russians fans. It bares no mark on the discussion we're having now.
posted on 10/4/13
I remember people saying we have to trust Arshavin because he can create something out of nothing but in his last 2 years at the club when did he do this. I remember getting frustrated with seeing players like walcott on the bench when arshavin wasnt performing.
When we had a line up of nasri and theo on the wings we looked better
posted on 10/4/13
In the last two years Arshavin hasn't been given the oppurtunity to do anything.
posted on 10/4/13
i meant in his last two years in the first team including sub appearances
posted on 10/4/13
Anyway, it doesn't matter anymore. In 3 months time, Arshavin will no longer be our problem. We'll no longer be burden by his wage and hopefully Wenger will not make a similar expensive mistake again.
posted on 10/4/13
If he was sulking at his treatment of Arsenal, surely he would be looking forwards to leaving Arsenal and rebuilding his career elsewhere?
------------------------
How do you come to that conclusion? If Arshavin was a fighter and NOT sulking he would be doing just that! Fighting for his career elsewhere. Instead he is just giving up. Don't you see thats a personality that isn't bothered? What is that if not a sulk?
I haven't a clue why you mentioned the Russians fans. It bares no mark on the discussion we're having now.
-----------------------------
Because it reflects on his personality. Don't you see. Footballers love of the game is driven by the fans. By the fans adoration of the players. Their names sung on the terraces.
How many times have we had articles of why its bad to boo? The point is that if the players don't care about fans, they really aren't going to care about the game or try harder to prove themselves. It doesn't matter if they play in their ideal position or not.
posted on 10/4/13
The 'playing out of position' excuse is nonsense, as well. Arshavin said that the left of a front three is one of his most comfortable positions. As Arseblog put it, he's a forward being played in a forward position. He's not being asked to play fullback. He's a lazy player who never improved his game and turned down chances to play elsewhere in favour of sitting around at Arsenal, not even on the bench.
posted on 10/4/13
Not sure who was more a waste of money, Arshavin or Wiltord?
posted on 10/4/13
WILTORD?!
posted on 10/4/13
How do you come to that conclusion? If Arshavin was a fighter and NOT sulking he would be doing just that! Fighting for his career elsewhere. Instead he is just giving up. Don't you see thats a personality that isn't bothered? What is that if not a sulk?
______________
Its not confirmed yet but if so you made assumption and speculate about his motives to retire.
posted on 10/4/13
Not sure who was more a waste of money, Arshavin or Wiltord?
_______________
Wiltord
posted on 10/4/13
"Haha, you gotta laugh at the armchair managers. Always wondered why if they were so great at dissecting Wenger's flaws, they aren't managing a side at the highest level. Arshavin has played on the left for much of his pre-Arsenal career. He was never exclusively a central playmaker. By far his best spell for Arsenal came on the left and no one was complaining about Wenger playing him out of position. The player himself never complained and states it as one of his best positions. Please, stop this apologist nonsense. A player with a passing success rate in the 60's shouldn't be playing in the centre for any reason at all.
Kudos though for knowing so much more than Wenger having gained first hand experience from working with our players."
It is ironic that you are calling people an armchair manager when you have been one of his biggest critics, or is it now that we have got a few wins you are going to be fickle and start calling him a genius again? You are wrong about Arshavin's best form being on the left, in his first 6 months he played central and looked the best player in England. Then the next season we changed our formation and the rest is history. Obviously Arshavin is to blame for being out of shape but anybody who denies his decline started when Wenger started playing him out wide is either blind, an apologist, or a retárd. That's it, you can only be one of those 3 things. The irony is most of the people on this article were saying 2 years ago how awful Rosicky was and as soon as Wenger took his head out of his ass and moved Rosicky central he became a key member of our squad. But no, playing somebody in their favored position would neeeeeeeeeever work, would it?
posted on 10/4/13
Id say Theo plays worse in his favored position lol though still plays good there
posted on 10/4/13
"The same way his tactical limitations doomed Henry, Ljunberg, Overmars, Anelka, RVP, Cesc, Nasri or Pires' careers or rescued the flailing career of Bergkamp? The same way his limitations made Adebayor look world class?"
What about the same limitations that led to Eboué being booed off the pitch for his performance at LEFT WING? What about the loss of form from our captain who has spent half his post injury career at left back? What about the destruction of promising careers such as our striker Bendtner, who spent most of his career out wide, or attacking minded Brazillian who played as a holding player, or a man currently on the books, Podolski, who is going down the same route as Arshavin? No, not possible is it? Everything Wenger touches turns to gold and if it doesn't it is because the things he touches just don't want to be gold, they want to be useless sacks of shít
posted on 10/4/13
You
are wrong about Arshavin's best
form being on the left, in his first
6 months he played central and
looked the best player in England.
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Really? So where was Cesc playing? Arshavin always operated wide of a front 3. Don't know where you're getting that from.
posted on 10/4/13
<yawn>
posted on 10/4/13
Wenger is an experienced manager. He is responsible for all what happen on the pitch. If he doesnt see in which position the player is best in and fullfill his potential which AA surely has there is no doubt about that then Wenger is responsible.
AA played best in the middle of the park for Arsenal for what reason ever. I dont think that Wenger gave AA enough chances to start there. When AA got a chance he was used on the wing and Wenger hoped of a miracles.
Bats: Poldi didnt play out of position though but I agree why not try to do different to help him to regain form after an injury. Poldi has to play against Norwich.
posted on 10/4/13
Does he really? A player carrying an injury that needs surgery that has been postponed to the end of the season to enable him get us through the season should only play when it is ABSOLUTELY necessary.
posted on 10/4/13
"It is ironic that you are calling
people an armchair manager
when you have been one of his
biggest critics, or is it now that
we have got a few wins you are
going to be fickle and start
calling him a genius again?"
I've been a long time Wenger critic. I just don't let fair criticism deteriorate to a rabid level where I have to try to distort every situation to make it a fault of Wenger. I still recognize his competence even with his shortcomings and I don't have to portray him as being a clueless clown.
"his decline started when Wenger
started playing him out wide"
This is a blatant falsehood for the simple reason he had a great 6 months out on left when he arrived. Arshavin was never a central playmaker at the time. We usually deployed the combination of Denilson, Diaby and Fabregas.
"The irony
is most of the people on this
article were saying 2 years ago
how awful Rosicky was and as
soon as Wenger took his head
out of his ass and moved Rosicky
central he became a key member
of our squad. But no, playing
somebody in their favored
position would neeeeeeeeeever
work, would it?"
What are you on about? Since we ditched the 4-4-2 in the 07/08 season, Rosicky has almost always played in a midfield 3. Rosicky simply improved after an extended period of fitness. It's got diddly squat to do with switching his position.
posted on 10/4/13
Ironically, some of Rosicky's best form for us came with him out wide in a 4-4-2 in the 07/08 season. That nullifies the Rosicky argument entirely.
posted on 10/4/13
True. Rosicky played best wide in a 442 formation.
posted on 10/4/13
"his decline started when Wenger
started playing him out wide"
This is a blatant falsehood for the simple reason he had a great 6 months out on left when he arrived. Arshavin was never a central playmaker at the time. We usually deployed the combination of Denilson, Diaby and Fabregas.
__________________
That is my point. When you see a player didnt fullfill his potential on the wing and he has far better performances in the middle why dont try something different then to help him to regain confidence and form.
posted on 10/4/13
I've been a long time Wenger critic. I just don't let fair criticism deteriorate to a rabid level where I have to try to distort every situation to make it a fault of Wenger. I still recognize his competence even with his shortcomings and I don't have to portray him as being a clueless clown.
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This is the worst thing about most of the wenger out types on this board. Sure, reasonable criticism is great, but this kind of nonsense - blaming him for anything and everything and ignoring logic to do so - is pathetic.
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